The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[JackStraw]

Wish I'd been there, Carm-especially Jimi, and Miles Davis. While I never knew Miles, we had some friends in common, and I've got some great stories from them about him.

The only one from that list I've seen live was Arlo Guthrie. Mostly on the east coast, I've seen Edgar Winters, (I met his brother the great Johnny Winter at CCNY), Allman Bros, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Jeff Beck, Leon Russell (3 times), Yes, David Sanborn, Orleans, Brecker Bothers, Gentle Giant, Ten Years After, Al Jarreau, Sonny Rollins, and Pete Seeger, among others.

OK, quiz time: There have been 3 musicians who, between the 1940's and the 1980's, all shared these qualities:

(1) They virtually revolutionized the concept of how their instruments were played, and influenced everyone who followed, and were widely considered to be the best ever at their respective instruments

(2) They all died young, under substance-abuse related conditions

(3) They all had Cherokee bloodlines

You've got 30 minutes to hand in your papers

Best, Dex

I'll have a go on one of them: Charlie Christian.

Great early jazz guitar, influenced many later greats, tho' not sure about the Cherokee thing...

Jack

 

[dexter gelfand]

Quiz is over, turn in your papers

I'll have a go on one of them: Charlie Christian.

Great early jazz guitar, influenced many later greats, tho' not sure about the Cherokee thing...

Jack

I like the Charlie Christian answer-funny, I was just mentioning him to somebody yesterday-but no cigar.

Jimi Hendrix is indeed one of the 3 instrumental virtuosos who revolutionized the way their instruments were played, died in drug-related circumstances and had Cherokee blood.

Carmelo was the only one to correctly include Charlie Parker (saxophone) among his guesses.

The third member of the group is Jaco Pastorius (bass). Most known as the flamboyant performer on bass with Weather Report in their prime years.

Thanks for playing, we've got some lovely parting gifts for you

Best, Dex

 

[JackStraw]

Thanks for playing, we've got some lovely parting gifts for you

Best, Dex [/COLOR]

ooh, ooh Parting gifts! I can hardly wait!

I did think he had died from some drug use of some sort but not according to Wiki.

So much for thinking. I'll never do that again

Jack

 

[dexter gelfand]

Jaco

ooh, ooh Parting gifts! I can hardly wait!

I did think he had died from some drug use of some sort but not according to Wiki.

So much for thinking. I'll never do that again

Jack

Jaco gradually went insane from substance abuse, he did things like show up for an engagement and play piano instead of bass, he ran into record stores, grabbed a stack of his recordings and ran out of the stores with them, claiming it was his property because it was his music. He had rehearsed for a series of gigs with John Mclaughlin and Tony Williams, billed as the "Trio of Doom", and at the first gig, instead of playing as rehearsed, he just produced eerie feedback sounds out of his amp until Williams and Mclaughlin had enough, and walked of the stage. He ran down an Italian mountainside naked, covered in axle grease, and he got himself killed by taunting some guy in a bar until the guy beat him to death. Hence, substance abuse related.

Best, Dex

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I like the Charlie Christian answer-funny, I was just mentioning him to somebody yesterday-but no cigar.

Jimi Hendrix is indeed one of the 3 instrumental virtuosos who revolutionized the way their instruments were played, died in drug-related circumstances and had Cherokee blood.

Carmelo was the only one to correctly include Charlie Parker (saxophone) among his guesses.

The third member of the group is Jaco Pastorius (bass). Most known as the flamboyant performer on bass with Weather Report in their prime years.

Thanks for playing, we've got some lovely parting gifts for you

Best, Dex

Thanks for asking. Where How did you ever come up with that trivia?

BTW; instead of a parting gift, can I just take Vanna home?

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

New EPA rules

I took an all day class today to become a "Certified Renovator"

It cost a shade under $400. Today was he third day that the class was given in the US of A.

As of April 22, 2010 the EPA will require a Certified Renovator to be running work done on buildings and houses that were built before 1978. I've oversimplified it, but that is essentially true. The lead paint (mainly) issue that a Certified Renovator oversees is any work indoors over 6 square feet that has lead paint present.

in California here are about a dozen instructors who can make Certified Renovator graduates. There will be millions of property managers, construction companies, cities, counties, and state governments that will need thousands of Certified Renovators.

The fines for violating the EPA regs are in the tens of thousands of dollars.

Unlike HUD, which has no teeth (inspectors), the EPA has is fully funded with loads of inspectors ready to hit the streets in April.

There are no prerequisites for the course. You don't need to be a college grad, a contractor, a real estate broker. I asked, and you can be an illegal alien.

The pay for Certified Renovators is going to start around $300. per hour.

If you're interested in taking the class, and becoming a Certified Renovator., google RRP or Renovation Repair and Painting. or go o

www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm

 

[dexter gelfand]

Thanks for asking. Where How did you ever come up with that trivia?

BTW; instead of a parting gift, can I just take Vanna home?

Hi Carm, I greatly admire these musicians, so I noticed the commonalities.As to Vanna, you're on your own. If it helps, I'll buy you some vowels.

Best, Dex

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Hi Carm, I greatly admire these musicians, so I noticed the commonalities.As to Vanna, you're on your own. If it helps, I'll buy you some vowels.

Best, Dex

I was listening to Bird when I was 16, Hendrix too.

 

[Leon]

yawn

 

[dexter gelfand]

Charlie Parker

I was listening to Bird when I was 16, Hendrix too.

Hey Carm,

In my home, my dad had a state of the art (for the 1960's) audiophile sound system in the living room- no tv in there- and was always enjoying the likes of Miles, Dizzy and Dave Brubeck, so I was fortunately exposed to and indoctrinated in the real stuff (when I wasn't spending my Saturdays in one of the chain record stores he operated, taking home the latest Beatles album).

I don't know if it still exists, but in the 1990's in the New York/New Jersey area, there was a radio program called "Birdflight", out of Columbia University on early weekday mornings, which was all about Charlie Parker, his music, his life and every little detail. The program host's name was (is?) Phil Schapp, (cousin of the late, great sportswriter Dick Schapp and his son, sportswriter Jeremy Schapp). Typically, he'd play 4 or so different takes of the same piece from one recording session to draw attention to the subtle differences. The attention to minute detail that was beyond the interest even of us Bird fans could be arduous or comical, depending on your tone level. But the music was transcendent, and guests like the great drummer Max Roach frequented the program.

There was a lesser amount and discussion of the music of other bebop contemporaries, like Thelonius Monk, Bud Powell, embryonic Miles Davis (for Bird, Davis was a rich kid who was willing to help Parker survive financially in exchange for being part of his scene musically) Dizzy Gillespie, etc.

Best, Dex

 

[Terril park]

I took an all day class today to become a "Certified Renovator"

It cost a shade under $400. Today was he third day that the class was given in the US of A.

As of April 22, 2010 the EPA will require a Certified Renovator to be running work done on buildings and houses that were built before 1978. I've oversimplified it, but that is essentially true. The lead paint (mainly) issue that a Certified Renovator oversees is any work indoors over 6 square feet that has lead paint present.

in California here are about a dozen instructors who can make Certified Renovator graduates. There will be millions of property managers, construction companies, cities, counties, and state governments that will need thousands of Certified Renovators.

The fines for violating the EPA regs are in the tens of thousands of dollars.

Unlike HUD, which has no teeth (inspectors), the EPA has is fully funded with loads of inspectors ready to hit the streets in April.

There are no prerequisites for the course. You don't need to be a college grad, a contractor, a real estate broker. I asked, and you can be an illegal alien.

The pay for Certified Renovators is going to start around $300. per hour.

If you're interested in taking the class, and becoming a Certified Renovator., google RRP or Renovation Repair and Painting. or go o

www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm

Maybe I should emigrate to the country of my birth?

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Ricky Nelson remembered

I think my 2 year Son was up to attending the Rick Nelson concert but try telling that to my wife. I tried to sell her on it but she would have no part of it.

Its great how your wife had a different viewpoint and your kids took full advantage of the situation and had some great experiences. I laud you for pulling of that type of parenting.
Lakey

http://thenelsonbrothers.com/

http://thenelsonbrothers.com/printedmedia/pressrelease020210.html

The Nelson Brothers are starting a 25th anniversary tour remembering their dad, Ricky.

Concert Information
Ricky Nelson Remembered starring Matthew and Gunnar Nelson
*25th Anniversary Tour featuring the Stone Canyon Band*

March 4th – BriXton South Bay in Redondo Beach, CA
March 5th – The Canyon in Agoura Hills, CA
March 6th – The Coach House in San Juan Capistrano, CA

Tickets available via Ticketmaster.com.

About Ricky Nelson
Ricky Nelson has been inducted into the Rockabilly and Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fames and has been honored with two stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Ricky Nelson is the only artist to have a number one song "Poor Little Fool”, number one movie "Rio Bravo" and a number one TV show "Ozzie & Harriet" all in same week. Ricky Nelson's "Travelin' Man" music performance montage on TV's longest running sitcom "Ozzie & Harriet" is recognized as the first conceptual music video.
Rick Nelson is credited with co-founding Country-Rock music, and has sold over 100 million lifetime record sales (verified by RIAA). As a singer-songwriter, Rick Nelson’s biggest hit was “Garden Party” which was recently honored in the Nashville Music Garden.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

marriage

I think my 2 year Son was up to attending the Rick Nelson concert but try telling that to my wife. I tried to sell her on it but she would have no part of it. You know, 50% Yenta and 50% French. You know how tough the Yenta part is to reason with and even the French part of the family from Normandy is no bed of roses to try and deal with. They were raised old school, very strict about raising kids, very old school. I even thought of driving the two of them home and coming back for the concert alone but my wife lectured me that I was not single anymore and had a family and there was no way she was going to let me come back as if I were a bachelor. This was the Yenta part doing most of the speaking but with an assist from the French part. But in all honesty, I knew she was right, had I come back on my own, it would have been a treasonable act towards my marriage.

Its great how your wife had a different viewpoint and your kids took full advantage of the situation and had some great experiences. I laud you for pulling of that type of parenting.
Lakey

what we looked for in initially creating our marriage:


we had both read Cheaper By the Dozen independently of each other.

T had swum for Dick Smith in Phoenix, had national records in the breast stroke, as a kid had jumped horses over cactus for fun, was a class Vlll.

I rock climb, scuba, ski, surf.

we both liked rock and roll, Broadway style musical theater, Disneyland, and highly cultured, independent, resourceful, responsible, healthy, active, skilled children.

Our kids skied from age 2. One of our boys went up a 2500 foot climb in Yosemite with me when he was 12. Our youngest daughter won the Tevis, the toughest endurance horse race in the world, in the junior category, when she was 16. One son, at age 14 scheduled and traveled about 30,000 miles on Amtrak on a $600 excursion ticket (45 days no commuting).

When the kids were growing, they saw plays and musicals in London, visited Boston, Philly, Chi Town, Washington, D.C, Hawaii, China, etc.

The kids learned how to roof, wallpaper, paint, drive, barbeque, dance ballet, do gymnastics, sing, act on stage and screen, pick apricots, play tennis, and program computers. We expected production - quality production. TV watching wasn't encouraged. Learning and applying skills was. Flipping hamburgers wasn't our idea of a life after school.

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks so much for the info and tribute to Rick!!

http://thenelsonbrothers.com/

http://thenelsonbrothers.com/printedmedia/pressrelease020210.html

The Nelson Brothers are starting a 25th anniversary tour remembering their dad, Ricky.

Concert Information
Ricky Nelson Remembered starring Matthew and Gunnar Nelson
*25th Anniversary Tour featuring the Stone Canyon Band*

March 4th – BriXton South Bay in Redondo Beach, CA
March 5th – The Canyon in Agoura Hills, CA
March 6th – The Coach House in San Juan Capistrano, CA

Tickets available via Ticketmaster.com.

I will be going to either Redondo Beach or San Juan Capistrano, probably both come hell or high water!

About Ricky Nelson
Ricky Nelson has been inducted into the Rockabilly and Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fames and has been honored with two stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Ricky Nelson is the only artist to have a number one song "Poor Little Fool”, number one movie "Rio Bravo" and a number one TV show "Ozzie & Harriet" all in same week. Ricky Nelson's "Travelin' Man" music performance montage on TV's longest running sitcom "Ozzie & Harriet" is recognized as the first conceptual music video.

Right, I happened to see the montage discussed and presented on TV. His Dad, Ozzie made of video scenes from the various locales mentioned in Rick's song, "Traveling Man". There was Hawaii. Mexico, Hong Kong, Alask and even Berlin. I just played it on Youtube and the montage with the video is shown. Good old Ozzie did some very advanced video effects considering it was way back in 1961 - The clip is way ahead of its time in concept.

Rick was such a good looking guy, but some criticized him for being too "clean cut". My wife who is 13 1/2 years younger than him said he was still popular in her high school days about 1970 - 71. She said he had a sneer which he made in emotional parts of his songs that turned her on. I remember that sneer. Being the All American Boy, so clean cut from such a straight family, I thought that may have hurt his career a little but from the stats which Carmelo shows, he did very well (because of that or in spite of it?).

Rick Nelson is credited with co-founding Country-Rock music, and has sold over 100 million lifetime record sales (verified by RIAA). As a singer-songwriter, Rick Nelson’s biggest hit was “Garden Party” which was recently honored in the Nashville Music Garden.

I grew up with Ricky and his brother David, starting on radio, moving to TV and then when he became a rock star, I followed him for a while. He seemed to wane in polulariity for a while and was not an "A list" entertainer for a few years. That was when he was playing at the Garret in Hollywood. He was invited to perform at some big celebration in York City in 1969, and a lot of people turned out to see the old time stars from the 50's and they pictured Rick as young and clean cut. He showed up with long hair and a long beard and he perceived that he was booed and made fun of. He may have misread the boos, they may have had nothing to do with him. Anyway he wrote the lyrics and music to "Garden Party" and it was such a big hit that it put Rick back on the top of the charts. How's that for turning something bad, booing, into something big, a top selling record and a revitalized career?

He rsponded to what he percieved as mockery of him with, not violence or hate but with creativity and action; the words and lyrics of a new song plus performing that song. To me this showed that he had OT like knowledge and abilities. Turning boos into a revived career and creating a beautiful song in the bargain. There is something there which Ricky Nelson left us besides his music and the memories of his and our childhoods and that is a lesson on how to counter boos and mockery with renewed creativity instead of hate and violence. Ricky Nelson, a fine entertainer and class act as a person. Besides the Sons he left behind, his daughter Tracy, is a well accomplished actress.
Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I grew up with Ricky and his brother David, starting on radio, moving to TV and then when he became a rock star, I followed him for a while. He seemed to wane in polulariity for a while and was not an "A list" entertainer for a few years. That was when he was playing at the Garret in Hollywood. He was invited to perform at some big celebration in York City in 1969, and a lot of people turned out to see the old time stars from the 50's and they pictured Rick as young and clean cut. He showed up with long hair and a long beard and he perceived that he was booed and made fun of. He may have misread the boos, they may have had nothing to do with him. Anyway he wrote the lyrics and music to "Garden Party" and it was such a big hit that it put Rick back on the top of the charts. How's that for turning something bad, booing, into something big, a top selling record and a revitalized career?

He rsponded to what he percieved as mockery of him with, not violence or hate but with creativity and action; the words and lyrics of a new song plus performing that song. To me this showed that he had OT like knowledge and abilities. Turning boos into a revived career and creating a beautiful song in the bargain. There is something there which Ricky Nelson left us besides his music and the memories of his and our childhoods and that is a lesson on how to counter boos and mockery with renewed creativity instead of hate and violence. Ricky Nelson, a fine entertainer and class act as a person. Besides the Sons he left behind, his daughter Tracy, is a well accomplished actress.
Lakey

Three generations. That says a lot about the family.

 

[Leon]

Hey Carmelo - Can I book you as a father for next lifetime? It won't be for a while yet though.

 

[Elapid]

IKWDBLDS

Wow. Sorry you had to go through that. An abusive reg cycle lies at the heart of so many disaffections.

First Scientology finds your ruin, then Scientology ruins you.

It's the classic example of how the church eats its seed corn because of the Thursday at 2 mentality. Had they encouraged you to go through with your real estate venture, and flown power to you instead of ripping the cash that would change your life out of your hands, they might still have a paying customer.

Those were the old Micheal Silverman dragon slaying days of "get up the bridge no matter what." Think of all the people who traded a college education for an FPRD cycle, or an OT3 package. Then they get regged on a huge book cycle break the package and never do services.

There is absolutely no eye towards long term life programming in Scientology. How freaking scary powerful would the church be today if instead of the hit and run this week's GI reg cycles, they sat down with you and battleplanned a life strategy to maximize your career and business path then reaped the long term, down range rewards. You give someone a life and they'll give it back.

Ruin them for a few bucks this week and you will lose them forever.

Anyway, sorry about the rant, but this is something I have seen time and time again. I'm sure you got stroked for being such an upstat being. But that wears off quick. I have seen a lot of these reg cycles first hand and know that once there is blood in the water, no one makes the beach alive. You never had a chance.

BDH

Back in the late 70's there was a Reg in our Org who implemented a "bright idea" based on Battle Planning. He met with each public who was on course or getting auditing (there were a lot of active public then), mapped out their next bridge actions and then went over how much and when each could make payments toward those actions while remaining solvent at the same time. With agreed upon payment schedules the Reg would simply collect payments. The GI went up and became stable and the Org staff could rely on a certain amount of pay. With the occasional larger reg cycles added in, most staff even had a few extra bucks. Then someone "uplines" got wind of this. The Reg (and his senior) was busted off post and eventually left staff. "Standard" Big League Sales went back in and the GI fell out the bottom. The Org never recovered...

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Welcome new friends Jackstraw and Elaped, whose sad tail of prosperity found and lost is an all too familiar org story...sigh!

Dex, can I get an "A", as in "Ahhhhhhh", I could use a huge sigh of relief about now...and where's my prize?

Leon, I'm with you, but why wait? Carmelo, how about adopting us NOW???

I taught David Nelson's children in a private school about a million years ago..

Terril, honey, I had no idea you were a Yank! Feel free to come back and see us, anytime! I'll buy you a hot dog and a beer, we do have some nice microbrewerys.

Lakey, it has solidified into a sinus infection, which is currently making me miserable, so I'm going to call on my Pals here who have a ton of collective wisdom and experience. I'd rather not go the anti-biotics route, any other helpful suggestions to speed healing and recovery?

Yes, I'm willing to rub and yawn some more (definately will help clear my ears)

Being a restoration expert (certified no less) sounds fun, Carmelo...does that mean you get to manage sombody else who scrapes the paint off the walls and vacumes up the dust? Around here we have lots of lovers of old homes, and restoration means to fix it up yet keep it in the style of the period, and reuse old fixtures and features whenever possible.

One thing about that old lead paint, it sure lasts and wore well, better than today's formulas...
...too bad so many things are toxic for us!

Heidrun, where's my snapshot, please?

 

[lkwdblds]

Good to see the Apollo and CCLA stories are still read!

Back in the late 70's there was a Reg in our Org who implemented a "bright idea" based on Battle Planning. He met with each public who was on course or getting auditing (there were a lot of active public then), mapped out their next bridge actions and then went over how much and when each could make payments toward those actions while remaining solvent at the same time. With agreed upon payment schedules the Reg would simply collect payments. The GI went up and became stable and the Org staff could rely on a certain amount of pay. With the occasional larger reg cycles added in, most staff even had a few extra bucks. Then someone "uplines" got wind of this. The Reg (and his senior) was busted off post and eventually left staff. "Standard" Big League Sales went back in and the GI fell out the bottom. The Org never recovered...

Good to see the original stories on this thread are still being read. Once those stories were told, we moved on to another format. Yes, I forgot how excellent Been, Done, Had's post was at that time.

Here's another anectdote about the same topic, one that I have not told before. A LAKEY EXCLUSIVE. When I was Director of Disbursements at CCLA, one week in 1973 we had our highest Gross Income ever by far. My stat was "Bills Paid". It was a poorly chosen stat because no one in Treasury division had any control whatever over that stat. The stat was determined by the Financial Planning Committee based on the week's income, the higher the ncome, the more bills were approved to pay. The FBO and the Guardian for Finance had some control as well as they could over rule the FP committee. Dir of Disbursement had not even the slightest control over what his main stat would be. All he did was write the checks and take them for signature.

In a normal week, we would write about $5,000 worth of checks and on this week, I was writing the FP and it got to be over double that amount and I realized that next week was going to be a low week and there would be no bills to pay. I think I wrote up the rest of the checks, maybe $3,000 more but decided not to mail them out until the following morning so that the following week would not be a total collapse. At the big staff meeting at night where all the stats were presented, nearly everybody's stats were out the roof including mine. When they announced my stat, IN CHARACTERISTIC LAKEY BLABBERMOUTH FASHION (WHICH IS STILL GETTING ME INTO LOTS OF TROUBLE), I blabbed out that I do not have much control over my stat and it was high only because the G.O. was high. I then said that it could have been much higher but I expected the stat to drop next week and so decided not to put several thousand for of paid bills into the mail and instead said I was going to mail them the next morning and count them on next's weeks stats. People were laughing and giggling and didn't know what to make of my statement but Heber Jentzsch who was then Assistant Guardian of CCLA got up and told me I good not do that and said it was a Crime and I could be Comm Eved for that but since my stats were up and that I obviously had not learned this policy, he would let it slide this one time.

That naive, tactless blurting out of the naked truth has been a defining character trait of mine my whole life. I have had a few wins from it and many losses, I finally now realize that one is not automatically doing the right thing when he or she tells the truth all the time. I am now fighting this tendency and it not easy! I just want to blurt out truths, often at inappropriate times or to inappropriate people and it is hard for me to stop from doing that but I am improving.

THE WORST TECH IN SCIENTOLOGY GREEN ON WHITE MANAGEMENT TECH -
To me, the mad unreasoning drive for higher and higher stats this week by 2:00 PM using and all means available is the most important non workable piece of tech in all of Scientology admin. I am confident to say unequivocally with no qualifications that LRH was wrong in developing this tech and insisting on its implementation, at least if the stated goals of Scientology as presented to the public are what he had in mind for Scientology. Hubbard was no fool and the fact that he pushed this crazy policy to the hilt shows me that his true goals for Scientology were not those stated for public consumption.

Had this atrocious policy not been develped and pushed to the maximum, Scientology today, would probably have its 8 or 10 million adherents, be a more mainstream religion and have a much larger place in society.
Lakey

 

[Leon]

Back in the late 70's there was a Reg in our Org who implemented a "bright idea" based on Battle Planning. He met with each public who was on course or getting auditing (there were a lot of active public then), mapped out their next bridge actions and then went over how much and when each could make payments toward those actions while remaining solvent at the same time. With agreed upon payment schedules the Reg would simply collect payments. The GI went up and became stable and the Org staff could rely on a certain amount of pay. With the occasional larger reg cycles added in, most staff even had a few extra bucks. Then someone "uplines" got wind of this. The Reg (and his senior) was busted off post and eventually left staff. "Standard" Big League Sales went back in and the GI fell out the bottom. The Org never recovered...

Is this meant to be a surprize to anyone?