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lkwdblds

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I will check out the thread.

Here is a thread that interests me at the moment.

Life, Universe and Everything

See, I have a big ego. There is nothing to be afraid of it. :)

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Vin - I will check out that thread. I love the topic and urge any readers of this thread to check it out as well. There are many benefits. One is filling in our missing knowledge on Vedic religions which most of us in the Western World are missing. Then when you get into stimulating discussions of Life and the physcial Universe, it is possible to achieve new awarenesses and receive case gain.

The model of doing this in an open discussion forum and being able to state your own ideas and opinions and bounce them off of others who have looked deeper than you have is incredibly beneficial to learning and changing your thought processes.

Sure, I had gains reading the Axioms, the Factors and hearing the Philadelphia Doctorate tapes by LRH, but you could never discuss the materials with others, question anything or have an opinion different to LRH on even the tiniest matter. If you tried to talk anything over with someone you were stiffled, often being sent for word clearing or being sent to Ethics.

In an on line Panel Discussion, there is so much more opportunity to achieve learning and growth than by rigidly duplicating just one guru's ideas.

Vin - the last line of your post confuses me. Recently, you have been critical of "Big Ego" but here you say it is nothing to be afraid of. Often I have trouble discerning when you are being serious or just being humorous and joking around.
Lakey
 
from the NY Times 30 May 2010

May 30, 2010
Fears Rise in Europe Over Potential for Deflation
By JACK EWING
FRANKFURT — If the European Central Bank has one monetary dragon it considers essential to slay, it is inflation.

Keeping inflation under control is the central bank’s primary legal responsibility, and as Europe struggles to overcome economic problems caused by the sovereign debt crisis, inflation has remained the bank’s primary focus.

But some economists say it has become a driving obsession that has blinded the bank to a potentially bigger threat to Europe: deflation.

The central bank’s doubters grew louder after it made a big show of taking measures to cancel out the supposed inflationary impact of the government bond purchases it began on May 10 to help keep Greece and several other euro zone countries from defaulting on their debts.

“It’s nuts: how can they be concerned about the inflationary impact of this?” said Carl B. Weinberg, chief economist of High Frequency Economics in Valhalla, N.Y. “If I were the head of the E.C.B., I would be printing money to avert the decline in the money supply.”

Many economists regard deflation as more dangerous than inflation, because it prompts consumers to delay purchases as they wait for lower prices, creating a downward spiral of lower demand and production. Deflation is also bad for debtors like Greece, because they may have to pay back money that would be worth more than it was when they borrowed it.

Economists like Mr. Weinberg — and a few policy makers as well — are beginning to worry that a danger of deflation in Europe, similar to the one that strangled Japanese growth for most of the 1990s, is a bigger threat than inflation.

Prices fell in Ireland in April, while inflation was below 1 percent in five other euro zone countries. The problem also extends outside the euro zone.

“We all share some risks and problems in common with Japan circa 1995,” Adam S. Posen, a member of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee, told an audience at the London School of Economics on May 2.

The United States is also at risk, Mr. Posen said, though he rated the chances of deflation there as low. But just as Japan did in the 1990s, the European Central Bank and the United States Federal Reserve have cut interest rates close to zero while pumping huge amounts of credit into their economies. That means the two central banks would have limited policy tools left with which to combat a collapse in prices and demand.

The downward pressure on prices has its roots in the economic decline that followed the 2008 financial crisis, but Europe’s sovereign debt problems are likely to add extra impetus. Governments, including those of Spain and Germany, are sharply reducing spending to lower their deficits, which will inevitably curb consumer demand and employment, hindering growth.

Inflation in the euro zone — the 16 countries that use the euro — rose slightly in April, to an annual rate of 1.5 percent, from 1.4 percent in March. Declines in categories like recreation and culture, communications and vacation tour packages blunted the impact of higher transportation costs. And so-called core inflation — which excludes energy prices and which most economists consider a better measure for policy-making purposes — declined to 0.7 percent in April from 0.8 percent in March. By either measure, the overall rate was still well below the central bank’s target of about 2 percent.

The real challenge for policy makers will occur in the coming months and years as Spain, Greece and Portugal struggle to regain their competitiveness on international markets. Without their own currencies to devalue, they have little choice but to cut wages and keep them well below those in countries like Germany and France. Pay cuts and lower government spending will put downward pressure on prices.

Spanish core inflation already turned negative in April.

A mild decline in prices in a few euro zone countries can be managed, economists say, but it will add to the risks of deflation. And the central bank will face more difficulty than usual in devising a monetary policy that fits both the ailing countries and the faster-growing economies like Germany and France.

“The E.C.B. has a careful balancing act to do,” said Dennis Snower, president of the Kiel Institute for the World Economy in Germany.

The central bank has remained firm in its focus on containing inflation. Jean-Claude Trichet, the bank’s president, has said he considers inflation a tax on the poor. And the bank’s charter obliges it to serve foremost as guardian of price stability.

As recently as Friday, Lorenzo Bini Smaghi, a member of the bank’s executive board, defended the wisdom of the mandate. In a speech in Rabat, Morocco, he said permitting inflation to rise to make it easier for European nations to repay their debts, as some have urged, would backfire.

The resulting decline in the value of government bonds would inflict “major losses on the banks and financial institutions which have been heavily investing in these markets, potentially undermining the recovery,” he said.

Nevertheless, Mr. Trichet has been under fire, especially from critics in Germany, ever since the central bank began the unprecedented bond purchases to halt a sell-off of Greek, Portuguese and Spanish government debt.

By buying government bonds on the open market, and being coy about how much it was spending, the bank was able to reduce the high premiums investors were demanding for debt from the weakest countries. A continuation of the market rout would have raised the interest rates that Spain and other countries had to pay to sell new bonds, aggravating their already grave fiscal problems.

The problem was that, to buy the bonds, the bank had to expand the assets it held on its books. So to prove that it had not stooped to printing money, the bank promised to offset the bond purchases, which totaled 26.5 billion euros ($32.6 billion as of May 24, the most recent data available), by taking in a like amount in short-term deposits from banks. In effect, it siphoned off as much liquidity as it had added.

The bond purchases were only the latest of a series of extraordinary moves that Mr. Trichet has pursued to stabilize the European banking system. Since the beginning of the financial crisis, the central bank has been essentially keeping banks afloat by providing almost unlimited loans at 1 percent interest.

Mr. Trichet is eager to squash any doubts that such moves represent a shift in the bank’s focus on inflation, said Mr. Snower of the Kiel Institute. “The E.C.B. is showing very clearly that its objectives have not changed.”

Other economists say that scale of the bond purchases would not increase the money supply enough to pose an inflation risk. And the money supply is falling because of a decline in bank lending.

In addition, factories are operating below capacity and euro zone unemployment is at 10 percent. Extra money in the system would not create scarcities of goods or labor that could drive up prices, Mr. Weinberg of High Frequency Economics said.

“You don’t have to pay any more to get those workers to come out of unemployment,” Mr. Weinberg said.

The recent decline of the euro against the dollar could create some inflation. Oil and other commodities are priced in dollars and could become more expensive in euros.

Still, few economists see prices rising. “There is no reason to fear high inflation for the time being,” Simon Junker, a Commerzbank analyst, said in a note.

Much of Mr. Trichet’s anti-inflation stance seems aimed at mollifying Germany’s anxiety over the bank’s bond purchases.

After the purchases, Mr. Trichet gave interviews to three leading German publications, an unusually high number in such a short period. In each case, he tried to reassure Germans on inflation and convince them that the euro is as solid as the German mark that they reluctantly gave up 11 years ago.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
May 30, 2010
Fears Rise in Europe Over Potential for Deflation
By JACK EWING
FRANKFURT — If the European Central Bank has one monetary dragon it considers essential to slay, it is inflation.

Keeping inflation under control is the central bank’s primary legal responsibility, and as Europe struggles to overcome economic problems caused by the sovereign debt crisis, inflation has remained the bank’s primary focus.

I forget who it was who first said "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money".

The Europeans thought they could sustain immense welfare states and public bureaucracies using borrowed money. There is no more money to borrow. The ending there will not be pretty, as the rioting in Greece showed a few weeks back.

The US is not far behind.
 
The Merry Minuet

I forget who it was who first said "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money".

The Europeans thought they could sustain immense welfare states and public bureaucracies using borrowed money. There is no more money to borrow. The ending there will not be pretty, as the rioting in Greece showed a few weeks back.

The US is not far behind.

They're Rioting in Africa (The Merry Minuet)

They're Rioting in Africa (The Merry Minuet)
(Sheldon Harnick)

Intro:
There are days in my life when everything is dreary
I grow pessimistic, sad and world weary.
But when I'm tearful and fearfully upset
I always sing this merry little minuet:

They're rioting in Africa
They're starving in Spain
There's hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain.

The whole world is festering
With unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans,
The Germans hate the Poles

Italians hate Yugoslavs
South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like anybody very much

But we can be grateful
And thankful and proud
That man's been endowed
With a mushroom shaped cloud

And we know for certain
That some happy day
Someone will set the spark off
And we will all be blown away

They're rioting in Africa
There's strife in Iran
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow man.
 
The Europeans thought they could sustain immense welfare states and public bureaucracies using borrowed money. There is no more money to borrow. The ending there will not be pretty, as the rioting in Greece showed a few weeks back.

The US is not far behind.

Hardly, europeans have very different practices with regard to their local economies. They are not "one size fits all" socialist states as the less "informed" element of u.s. society like to "think". Greece in particular has been a problem state for decades, longer even.

The current difficulties experienced in europe have a great deal to do with response to the u.s. financial meltdown which was precipitated by rampant deregulation, both de jure & de facto, of u.s. financial markets.

[n.b. The same sort of recklessness contributed to the gulf mess and similar underlying vulnerabilities the u.s. economy which have yet to make their presence "felt".]

The lack of strong central regulation across european markets has also played a significant role on these recent events as well. The lack of a strongly coordinated financial policy among the various european governments has been a major problem.


Mark A. Baker
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
The de emphasis in Europe on having children is also part of the problem!

I forget who it was who first said "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money".

The Europeans thought they could sustain immense welfare states and public bureaucracies using borrowed money. There is no more money to borrow. The ending there will not be pretty, as the rioting in Greece showed a few weeks back.

The US is not far behind.

Enthetan, along with the point you made, I also think that part of the problem with the Socialist system is that is tends to promote secularism and deemphasize marriage and raising a family and also tends to view work as an unnecessary evil. I know these are broad generalities and have exceptions but the overall agreement leans noticeably in those directions.

In Europe, I believe that most, if not all of the EU countries average less than two children per familty. Families have to average slightly greater than 1 male and 1 female child per family to sustain a slight growth in their population. This is necessary to keep the socialist system afloat. If this does not occur then as the generations move forwards, fewer and fewer young working people are available to support the early retirement of the older people who are retiring and becoming supported by the state.

RESORTING TO THE ONLY ANSWER The European countries are resorting to their only option and that is to bring in foreign workers to do the work at the lower end of the socio economic scale. Thus you have floods of younger people, mainly Muslims, entering the EU supposedly to work and floods of Latin people entering the U.S.A. also mainly to find work.

The problem is that the main and perhaps only labor pool of people which enter the EU are all from the Islamic nations in Turkey and Asia. The problem here is twofold. First when Islamic workers come in to do the more menial jobs, many of them or perhaps many of their families immediately enroll in various government sponsored programs, thereby receiving educational and medical benefits and putting an even larger drain on the small number of workers in the socialist economy. The other factor that is important is that the Muslim people tend to be Muslim first and do not necessarily respect the culture of their host country. Again, speaking in generalities, they tend to consider them infidels and would like them to govern their countries using Sharia law and not their secular laws. The do not want to merge into the host countries and at best are merely tolerant of their hosts.

In the U.S.A., the situation is different. Some Mexicans are resentful of the U.S. and feel that the Southwestern U.S.A. was stolen from Mexico and is really their territory but these people are in the minority. The Mexican people are hard working family people, also tending to be religious and they have much in common with the American system of government. Many, many of them become American in attitude and consider themselves Americans while still retaining pride in their Mexican, or other Latin American heritiage, as well they should.

The European system simply can not continue indefinitely if they don't reproduce a slight gain in population. Bringing in workers from the Muslim countires is a band aid solution which can only be a fix for a limited amount of time and then the whole system is going to start to blow up as it already has. The weaker countries such as Greece are going under financially and they are looking to Germany and France to bail them out. Germany and France are still doing well but they can not really afford to bail out Greece and if they do, then other countries will demand a bail out as well. Its not a question of if the EU will break up but the question is only when. Maybe the strong EU countries will form a smaller version of the EU and leave the weaker countries to sink economically . I do not know how it will play out but you can be certain the EU will be making major changes in its structure in the near future.
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Carmelo's article on deflation and Inflation is excellent!

I agree with the article Carmelo posted on the dangers of deflation. The writer presented a balanced analysis of inflation and deflation and was very objective. In the author's opinion, deflation poses the more serious problem as this time and with that, I would agree.
Lakey
 
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How Did You Do That?
by Hank Levin

Many years ago I discovered that very often I could look at a card from a deck of playing cards and "will" other people to "guess" the card by projecting its image into their heads. I became so fascinated with this that I would sometimes carry a deck of cards around with me for that purpose…

It was about seventeen years ago. I had been visiting with an artsy young couple from Seattle, and had gone to meet them for dinner in San Francisco. As I was leaving to return to my home (at that time) in Santa Rosa, they invited me to meet with them later that evening at a party in Vallejo. Since it was not terribly far out of my way home, I agreed—after getting their assurance that they would indeed meet me there, and that I wouldn't be stranded with a bunch of strangers.

The party was at the very large studio of a woman artist in vogue at that time (I don't recall her name), which was situated in an enormous basilica of a building that had previously housed a bank. Hanging from the walls of the massive interior were many abstract paintings of enormous size, and the expansive floor space was furnished with dozens of long collapsible tables. There was not much food that I can remember, or perhaps by the time I got there it was all gone. I looked around for my friends, and did not find them. They never did show up.

I tried half-heartedly to get into the festive atmosphere, but was not really able to start up any meaningful conversation with the party-goers. Just when I was considering leaving, a guest entertainer was introduced, and mounted a small stage that had been set up for the party. It was Steve Bhaerman, who took on his alter-ego of Swami Beyondananda, and did his inimitable schtick of sage puns and jokes, spiced with remarkably spiritually and politically aware wisdom. I found that he wrote a syndicated column featuring his unique humor. I had the presence of mind to introduce myself as the editor of the newly launched Free Spirit Journal magazine, and I asked if he would consider contributing his column to the mag. He did so, and we ran his column for a number of months, until he moved to Texas and I lost touch with him. (I'm happy to say he's back in the Bay Area now, and as delightful as ever.)

As I was about to leave, satisfied that the purpose of being guided to this strange party had been fulfilled, the small stage was mounted by a juggler. He was an interesting dude, who reminded me of a medieval minstrel—a true jongleur. Indeed, he supported himself, so it was said, as a street entertainer in San Francisco's wharf. He had a remarkable sense of humor and charisma. The high point of his act was juggling a number of flaming torches. Unfortunately for him, the stage was so small that some of the party decorations caught fire from the flares, which could have resulted in a major catastrophe had they not been extinguished promptly by an astute onlooker.

Nevertheless, I found his performance and his personality most delightful, and afterwards I pulled him aside to tell him so. I think my compliments assuaged the chagrin of having nearly burned the building down. Something about him indicated to me that this was a person with unusual intuitive ability, and wistfully thought about my deck of cards, which of course I'd had no reason to bring with me that day.

As I spoke to this man, for some reason I looked behind me for a moment—I don't know why—and noticed that not more than five feet away on the corner of one of the long tables sat a deck of cards. As we spoke, I walked over to the deck and picked it up. It was not complete, but it was complete enough for my purposes. As I continued to speak to my juggler, I shuffled the deck, held it in front of me and peeked at the top card. It was the Queen of Hearts. I suddenly asked him, "What card am I looking at?" He blurted out, "Queen of Hearts." I turned the card so he could see that he was correct.

"That's great! How did you do that?" he said.

"I didn't do anything. You did that!" I said.

"Aw, come on—really! How did you do that?"

"I really didn't do anything. You did it—really."

"Dammit, don't give me that. I'm an entertainer! There's some trick there, and I'm just asking you nicely to give me some idea what it is."

I really didn't know how to handle this, except to assure him that there was no trick—he actually had that ability to see my mental picture of the card.

"Yeah, thanks for nothing!" he said, and turned around and stomped off. I never saw him again.

***************
An interesting sequel to the story…as I was leaving the party shortly after, with the "magic" deck of cards in my hands, a young man who was also leaving asked me, "Where did you get those cards?"

Thinking that maybe I should have replaced them on the table, I explained that they had appeared there just when I was wishing I had a deck of cards. He said, "That's impossible. When I came here I had that deck, and when I walked in I handed each person here a different card, as a sort of a joke. There were none left. They couldn't have all ended up in a stack in one place!"

This is a story that I often think of when I'm teaching about misownership in my workshops, the point being that people really do see each other's mental pictures---like it or not!
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Roger, I tried to email my story to the Oz Senate:

Rog, I wanted to do my part and wrote my story to the Australian Senate. I tried the email address you supplied and another which appeared in a post by Carmel. They both came back with a note saying that they could not process service routed adrresses. I am not familiar with that term. Any suggestions of how to get the email to go through.
Lakey
 

RogerB

Crusader
Rog, I wanted to do my part and wrote my story to the Australian Senate. I tried the email address you supplied and another which appeared in a post by Carmel. They both came back with a note saying that they could not process service routed adrresses. I am not familiar with that term. Any suggestions of how to get the email to go through.
Lakey

I do not know what the hell the response means either!!!

But to get through whatever it is, go to this link:
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/economics_ctte/index.htm

and click on the email address shown . . . . that's the email address the Oz Gov guy told me to use.

It is possible that what you did was click on the email link within the ESMB post . . . and that is what the Ozzies system picked up and rejected as "process service routed addresses"??

Maybe had you copy pasted you'd have had a different result . . . anyhow use their own link and you should get through.

R
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
The current difficulties experienced in europe have a great deal to do with response to the u.s. financial meltdown which was precipitated by rampant deregulation, both de jure & de facto, of u.s. financial markets.

Europe is having difficulties because there isn't enough money in the financial system to keep them afloat in the face of persistent deficits. Like I said earlier, they are finally running out of other people's money. Collapse occurs when investors finally realize that the tax revenues of the borrowers are inadequate to service their interest.

The US collapse was caused not by inadequate regulation, but by the political masters of the regulators telling the regulators to back off. This was because the regulated entities produce benefits to the politicians and their constituencies, while the bill for their eventual collapse could be handed to the taxpayers. This is a major vulnerability of government control over business: when politicians control buying and selling, then one of the primary things to be bought will be politicians.

See, for example, the political reaction to the attempt by regulators to bring the mortgage industry under control before its collapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&playnext_from=TL&videos=Bt0w4I7SDB8

and see how the "regulated" entity captured protectors among the US Congress:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0&playnext_from=TL&videos=95TUhIVzi-Y
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
The problem is that the main and perhaps only labor pool of people which enter the EU are all from the Islamic nations in Turkey and Asia. The problem here is twofold. First when Islamic workers come in to do the more menial jobs, many of them or perhaps many of their families immediately enroll in various government sponsored programs, thereby receiving educational and medical benefits and putting an even larger drain on the small number of workers in the socialist economy. The other factor that is important is that the Muslim people tend to be Muslim first and do not necessarily respect the culture of their host country. Again, speaking in generalities, they tend to consider them infidels and would like them to govern their countries using Sharia law and not their secular laws. The do not want to merge into the host countries and at best are merely tolerant of their hosts.

The Muslim immigrants also tend to riot and burn when they are displeased with something and they commit crimes at a much higher rate than the natives of their host countries.

I doubt that the situation in Europe can be sustained for more than a few more years before complete collapse occurs in places like Greece, Spain, and France. Once collapse occurs in a few countries, the underclass elements will migrate to other countries in Europe, creating a cascading collapse.

And the US will not be in any condition to do anything about it.
 

RogerB

Crusader
If you want a definitive understanding of the mess in Europe, and a good belly laugh go here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/05/20/2905304.htm

On another point, I saw a stats analysis on birth rates in the EU . . . the bad news is that the original Euros (whities) are not breeding at a sufficient enough rate to sustain their population, but the other "classes" of residents, breeding like flies, will in a generation actually become the majority of the population.

OK, Oz, you were quite right to stop those illegal immigrants from arriving . . . use the gunboats as needed!

Rog
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
I do not know what the hell the response means either!!!

But to get through whatever it is, go to this link:
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/economics_ctte/index.htm

and click on the email address shown . . . . that's the email address the Oz Gov guy told me to use.

It is possible that what you did was click on the email link within the ESMB post . . . and that is what the Ozzies system picked up and rejected as "process service routed addresses"??

Maybe had you copy pasted you'd have had a different result . . . anyhow use their own link and you should get through.

R

Rog, thanks for the new tip! BTW, I did not post from inside ESMB, I went to my regular email site on AOL, logged in and hit the "compose" button and wrote a brand new email on AOL. Still, I got that message. Well, I will try your new suggestion and report back what happens.

Yes, I'm in total agreement with your analysis with European birth rates, by the way. The way it is going, it may take many decades but most of the EU countries will be dominated by Muslims and when they are in the majority they can vote in Sharia law. Just think, Germans instead of sinigng with "Deutschland uber Alles" will be wailing "Allah Akbar" instead. In France, "Viva le France" will be supplanted by daily praying to Mecca.

You kinow, in the USA, the Mexican populations in the Sourthern border states are growing so fast that they are now almost in the majority over whites in many states. This has an enormous effect on the elections and is really the main reason that neither major polictical party wants to enforce our borders. Both parties are afraid of alienating the Latino voters and that is reall what is keeping our borders pourous.
Lakey
 
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lkwdblds

Crusader
Europe is having difficulties because there isn't enough money in the financial system to keep them afloat in the face of persistent deficits. Like I said earlier, they are finally running out of other people's money. Collapse occurs when investors finally realize that the tax revenues of the borrowers are inadequate to service their interest.

The US collapse was caused not by inadequate regulation, but by the political masters of the regulators telling the regulators to back off. This was because the regulated entities produce benefits to the politicians and their constituencies, while the bill for their eventual collapse could be handed to the taxpayers. This is a major vulnerability of government control over business: when politicians control buying and selling, then one of the primary things to be bought will be politicians.

See, for example, the political reaction to the attempt by regulators to bring the mortgage industry under control before its collapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&playnext_from=TL&videos=Bt0w4I7SDB8

and see how the "regulated" entity captured protectors among the US Congress:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0&playnext_from=TL&videos=95TUhIVzi-Y


Excellent post Enthetan, just absolutely and fantastically outstanding. Prior to viewing these videos, I knew mostly of Barney Franks involvement, also New York Congressman Charles Rangel's involvement and Senator Chuck Schumer's as well. Franks is sort of a living and breathing, "Operating Service Facsimile". After the debacle and collapse of the markets, he still was defiant, blaming others and assuming the attitude of a victim in that people did not listen to him. He learned nothing whatsoever from his errors in judgement and any effort to take him to task is met with vioilent and furious yelling and screaming. Rangel isn't much better. He is craftier and more skilled in PR than Franks but still otherwise pretty much the same. Schumer is extremely glib and passes for being extremely intelligent and very experienced. He is entirely agenda driven and incapable of detached analysis of what is good for his country and his constituents.

I have felt the sting of Councilwoman Maxine Waters from South Central L.A. before. In 1987, a dishonest salesman for my building company sold a black customer a $36,000 room addition. The customer added $10,000 worth of extras on the plans in a red pen. My salesman needed his commission and so concealed the page with the $10,000 extras from my Dad and me. After about a week of construction, the customer produced the page, signed by my salesman and demanded that all those $10,000 worth of goods be given him as per contract. It fell on me to try to resolve this dispute. At the time, we were a fairly large company and had perhaps 35 remodeling jobs going on, this one job being one of them. I was a committed Scientologist and tried to follow the policy, "We deliver what we promise."

I knew we were in trouble and called the customer and his wife and asked if they could come into the office for a meeting with me, my Dad and the salesman. They agreed. I reviewed the $10,000 worth of free work with the salesman, this consisted of 18 items. The salesman said he had promised them 14 for sure but the other 4 were not promised and the customer was supposed to pay extra for those once we determined their price.

When the customer came in, we went over all 18 items. I immediately gave them the 14 items for free but told them that I would have to charge them for the last 4 items. The last 4 items were the biggest items and were worth about $4,000 so I gave up $6,000 worth of services and then fired the salesman. The homeowner's were very cordial and agreed with me and we agreed to go forward with the job. Two weeks later, the owner's scheduled a meeting with me and said that they had talked to their lawyer and the lawyer told them they were entitiled to all 18 items. They came in and I handled them and said I would give them the disputed 4 items at m cost, $3,000 instead of $4,000. Again they left happy.

About 3 weeks later, their attorney, an African American, sent a viscious letter demanding we give them the 4 disputed items for free by the end of the week in writing or they would boot us off the job and sue us for fraud and bait and switch. I called my attorney and we decided to fight the case and not give them the disputed services.

COUNCILWOMAN MAXINE WATERS - When the 1 week deadline passed, and we did not knuckle under, their attorney filed suit against us and then one of the first things he did was to call Maxine Waters who was a friend of his. He told her that we were white racist builders trying to dupe his clients. She immediately called up the Contractors' License Board and pulled some strings and had some kind of citation was filed against my Dad's license. In those days, if people wanted to check out a contractor, they called the License Board by phone to see if their license was clean. Our license was squeeky clean and had been since my Dad took it out in 1949 but Maxine Waters, just on the say so of her attorney friend, had a tag appended to it so that when people called on the phone, they were told that we were under investigation and they were cautioned not to use us. All of a sudden, our sales dropped by over 50%. All the people who were considering using us and heard this message on the phone, immediately dropped us. This curse stayed on our license for about 3 years during which time we could not sell anyone once they checked our name with the license board. That is the type of person Maxine Waters is. Just because her attorney friend was black and said that we were white bigots, she tried to destroy us without even talking to us to hear our side of the story or doing any investigation whatsoever. We finally closed down that license and took out a new license with a slightly differnt name. Even then, though nothing was said over the phone, if a person sent in to get a written report on the new license, it stated in the written report that I was a successor company to an earlier company which had been cited for bait and switch. Finally after about 10 years my license became clean.
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Yes, two people said it already

Yes you can. Hit Edit > Go Advanced, and you'll be able to fix it.

(I'm over 50 posts behind on this thread so if someone else has said this already, sorry.)

Paul

Thanks for the tip, yes two people pointed it out already but I got a lot of laughs for having "saute" Face in the title which was changed to "sauteed" Face and made sport of, so on that one particular error, I just decided to leave it alone.
Lakey
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
If you want a definitive understanding of the mess in Europe, and a good belly laugh go here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/05/20/2905304.htm

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT video Rog!

On another point, I saw a stats analysis on birth rates in the EU . . . the bad news is that the original Euros (whities) are not breeding at a sufficient enough rate to sustain their population, but the other "classes" of residents, breeding like flies, will in a generation actually become the majority of the population.

OK, Oz, you were quite right to stop those illegal immigrants from arriving . . . use the gunboats as needed!

Rog

The crisis will actually come much sooner than in a generation, because the immigrants are consuming welfare and social service funds at an unsustainable rate right now. What I expect to happen sometime in the next two to five years, is that the bankrupt European economies will no longer be able to pay for the costs of the immigrants, and the native Europeans will see where the end of the road winds up.

Meanwhile, any attempt to reduce social services to the immigrant Muslim communities will provoke rioting, as will any attempt to deport them.

The European elites have been trying to defer that day of reckoning, but it's very close to being that day. It will not be pretty.
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
I checked out this website and thread.

Here is a thread that interests me at the moment.

Life, Universe and Everything

See, I have a big ego. I am not afraid. :)

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I checked out and joined the referenced website. It is a very interesting and intellectual group hosted by Geir Isene. Ken Urquhart is one of their board members in an executive capacity. I posted an intro and some comments on the topic they were discussing. My first post seemed to sit well with Vin which was encouraging to me.

A couple of comments: LRH's "The Factors" were being looked and and an effort was made to extrapolate from them and look back "before the beginning" and speculate something about "Cause".

In the course of this discussion, Vin pointed out that "The Factors" were just a statment of the "Cycle of Action", you know, good old start, change and stop - birth, growth, decay and death. Every cycle of action we do has the factors built into it. For example, if I want to cook some dinner, I will decide to be a cook, create some space, extend out anchor points, dimension points, etc. and get things reaching and withdrawing such as frying pans to and from the oven, etc. A product will be born and everything will go through the cycle , birth, growth, decay and death including all the foods used in the meal.

If you look at iterations of the Cycle of Action and extend them backwards toward some origin, you will eventually arrive at the Factors being an early, perhaps the earliest, cycle of action on one's time track.

But Vinaire and Geir Isene are playing in the big leagues. They are looking earlier. They have the concept of things being fractal, that is things break off from one another which each piece which breaks being a full representation of the earlier and larger piece. Within this guise, our Physical Universe may be a fractal of an earlier Universe which broke off from it and so forth going with earlier and earlier iterations.

Ultimately, there must be a limit to how far back you can iterate and at that point there has to be some sort of Cause present to initiate things and they are looking at that level of existence.

THE ATTITUDE THERE IS VERY FREE ZONE ORIENTED -Just based on my brief encounter with that thread, to date, it seems to be very Freezone oriented. LRH has all the answers, the upper OT levels can and will lead to states of full OT and things of that nature. Its been 9 or 10 months now since I have thought that way. I feel I have made progress in giving that up but then over there, I am runing into extremely intelligent people who still believe that way. Of course, I believe Vin does not believe LRH had all the answers either but many of the people runing that thread do. Well, that is my feedback from that thread to date.
 

RogerB

Crusader
I checked out and joined the referenced website. It is a very interesting and intellectual group hosted by Geir Isene. Ken Urquhart is one of their board members in an executive capacity. I posted an intro and some comments on the topic they were discussing. My first post seemed to sit well with Vin which was encouraging to me.

A couple of comments: LRH's "The Factors" were being looked and and an effort was made to extrapolate from them and look back "before the beginning" and speculate something about "Cause".

In the course of this discussion, Vin pointed out that "The Factors" were just a statment of the "Cycle of Action", you know, good old start, change and stop - birth, growth, decay and death. Every cycle of action we do has the factors built into it. For example, if I want to cook some dinner, I will decide to be a cook, create some space, extend out anchor points, dimension points, etc. and get things reaching and withdrawing such as frying pans to and from the oven, etc. A product will be born and everything will go through the cycle , birth, growth, decay and death including all the foods used in the meal.

If you look at iterations of the Cycle of Action and extend them backwards toward some origin, you will eventually arrive at the Factors being an early, perhaps the earliest, cycle of action on one's time track.

But Vinaire and Geir Isene are playing in the big leagues. They are looking earlier. They have the concept of things being fractal, that is things break off from one another which each piece which breaks being a full representation of the earlier and larger piece. Within this guise, our Physical Universe may be a fractal of an earlier Universe which broke off from it and so forth going with earlier and earlier iterations.

Ultimately, there must be a limit to how far back you can iterate and at that point there has to be some sort of Cause present to initiate things and they are looking at that level of existence.

THE ATTITUDE THERE IS VERY FREE ZONE ORIENTED -Just based on my brief encounter with that thread, to date, it seems to be very Freezone oriented. LRH has all the answers, the upper OT levels can and will lead to states of full OT and things of that nature. Its been 9 or 10 months now since I have thought that way. I feel I have made progress in giving that up but then over there, I am runing into extremely intelligent people who still believe that way. Of course, I believe Vin does not believe LRH had all the answers either but many of the people runing that thread do. Well, that is my feedback from that thread to date.

Lakey,

Have a look at this page . . . post #1041
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=287511&highlight=fractal#post287511

Also, you should love the videos of the physics course at www.learner.org

Face, this is also on your interest line.

It got neglected :bigcry: as in no response when posted last August. :bigcry: Ah well, it was before its time :D

Rog
 
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