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This is NOT OK !!!!

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My cynical side wonders whether this is deliberate, to sabotage the education of the non-elites who can't afford high-end private schools, so as to remove them from being able to compete effectively with the children of the current elites. You see, elite parents have a problem: just because daddy is a brilliant, energetic go-getter does not necessarily mean his kids will be just as brilliant. And we can't have seeing Junior being shown up by some plumber's kid.

I don't know that you're totally correct about this. Perhaps students from exclusive secondary schools make up a larger percentage of students in elite universities in comparrison to their percentage of all secondary school students. But, still, the greatest majority of students in elite universities come from among the great unwashed masses who attended public schools.

The difference between ANY public school and CarmelloOrchard's wife's school is that ALL the students in the public school are tested and measured. They don't have a "random" sampling size of ONE (Carmello's daughter).

Carmello should chalk up the win of his daughter's brilliance to his OWN PARENTING SKILLS, not the "tech" of LRH.
 
The difference between ANY public school and CarmelloOrchard's wife's school is that ALL the students in the public school are tested and measured. They don't have a "random" sampling size of ONE (Carmello's daughter).

Carmello should chalk up the win of his daughter's brilliance to his OWN PARENTING SKILLS, not the "tech" of LRH.

I used to think that, what you wrote above, was very true.

Now I don't entirely.

I think what we (my wife and I), did the best, was select WHO we were going to have for our child. We put a huge mock up out there, in the ether (Face's sea) we wanted a smart athletic female, preferably interested in Scientology.

We got that person.

On the other side, before she was our kid, we think she got counseling from a class Vlll, helping her to mock up her next lifetime. She wanted a body on the west coast.

My wife and I raised all our kids pretty much the same way. We grant loads of beingness, engage them with lots of activities, but also leave them alone (we're not into smother love) enough that they mock up their own activities too. Our kids were all raised with a trampoline, a horse or pony, a dog, cats, fruit, veggies, plus lots of work. We put them in lessons or teams in tennis, gymnastics, horseback riding, soccer, rock climbing, surfing, scuba.

As soon as there were personal computers by a couple of Steves named Woz and Jobs, our family had computers.

Our friends are generally smart and many are very good auditors.

All of the above create a great ambience to grow up, but if you've got the wrong kid, it really doesn't matter.
 
My phone call with Mark Baker was interrupted today when I saw one of these (2009 Lotus Elise) and had to squee:

LotusEliseAubergine.jpg



I love it!

The old days Apollo thread, home to baseball, sports cars, singers, comedians, para scientology tech, and old tales of salty Sea ogres.

The purple Lotus reminds me of the old joke:

What's purple and eats ships?

Moby Grape

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTgQjYj7uMY&feature=related
 
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Carmello should chalk up the win of his daughter's brilliance to his OWN PARENTING SKILLS, not the "tech" of LRH.

This reminds me of the quote from the movie, Paper Moon starring Ryan and Tatum O'Neal, directed by Peter Bogdanovich, "If Mose had any scruples, you can best be sure, they aren't his own"

I think that pretty well covers the tech of LRH.
 
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thetanic

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Movie review time.

INCEPTION.

It opened today, and is about the nature of reality. But, more important and relevant to this thread, about the nature of ownership of postulates, which is at the heart of the movie's problem.

Must see, in my opinion. Only a couple of fully fleshed-out characters, but some truly interesting stuff there.
 

lkwdblds

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Nice - Another missing piece of the Hubbard puzzle.

Harlon Ellison relating some LRH history to Robin Williams. Its like a jig saw puzzle. Who was L. Ron Hubbard? We enter Scientology, get a false made up story of who he was then when we leave we try and assemble a more accurate mosaic or jig saw puzzle of who he REALLY was but at first the pickings are slim. There is a box with puzzle pieces but most of the key pieces are missing. This video fills in a couple of key missing pieces having to do with how Dianetics and Scientology got started. The old LRH novels, some of them are quite good and within them one can find key pieces of the puzzle, concerning how LRH tech came to exist.

Yesterday and the day before yesterday, Carmelo and I spoke by phone and we were just bowled over by how our thread is in sort of a power mode. 1,400 views yesterday, our highest ever in one day. 10 members and 8 guests on the thread at one time at 1:10 yesterday afternoon and that 10 members was probably really 13 because many, many of our readers suppress their name from appearing in the summaries of who read the thread. Great posts appearing by many of our contributors.

LRH must have been bowled over when his Dianetics book took off like a rocket on the New York Times best sellers list. He never expected its success and saw it as a chance to get out of the penny a word pulp writing business where it looked like he would spend the rest of his life. He was clever and ran with the ball. Probably as more and more people jointed him and went along for the ride, he began to believe his own writings were true and made bolder and bolder and more unscrupulous moves. People began to be helped and other people began to be hurt. Eventually, Hubbard abandoned all restraints and went for the big prize, a total world takeover. It was like a boxer taking off his gloves and fighting bare knuckled. Eventually all stops and restrictions were removed and Hubbard went for the gold at the end of the rainbow of fame and success. He really did not think very highly of those who fell for his "shtick" but oddly he did not think highly of those others who saw through it and would not come along for the ride. He disliked those in both camps.

He must have felt very lonely, amid the thousands of people around him day in and day out, he was really all alone - an "Only One".

Very nice, this video supplies key missing pieces to the puzzle which reveals the true face of L. Ron Hubbard.
Lakey
 
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Ted

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Harlon Ellison relating some LRH history to Robin Williams. Its like a jig saw puzzle. Who was L. Ron Hubbard? We enter Scientology, get a false made up story of who he was then when we leave we try and assemgle a more accurate mosaic or jig saw puzzle of who he REALLY was but at first the pickings are slim. There is a box with puzzle pieces but most of the key pieces are missing. This video fills in a couple of key missing pieces having to do with how Dianetics and Scientology got started. The old LRH novels, some of them are quite good and within them one can find key pieces of the puzzle, concerning how LRH tech came to exist.

Yesterday and the day before yesterday, Carmelo and I spoke by phone and we were just bowled over by how our thread is in sort of a power mode. 1,400 views yesterday, our highest ever in one day. 10 members and 8 guests on the thread at one time at 1:10 yesterday afternoon and that 10 members was probably really 13 because many, many of our readers suppress their name from appearing in the summaries of who read the thread. Great posts appearing by many of out contributors.

LRH must have been bowled over when his Dianetics book took off like a rocket on the New York Times best sellers list. He never expected its success and saw it as a chance to get out of the penny a word pulp writing business where it looked like he would spend the rest of his life. He was clever and ran with the ball. Probably as more and more people jointed him and went along for the ride, he began to believe his own writings were true and made bolder and bolder and more unscrupulous moves. People began to be helped and other people began to be hurt. Eventually, Hubbard abandoned all restraints and went for the big prize, a total world takeover. It was like a boxer taking off his gloves and fighting bare knuckled Eventually all stops and restrictions were removed and Hubbard went for the gold at the end of the rainbow of fame and success. He really did not think very highly of those who fell for his "shtick" but oddly he did not think highly of those others who saw through it and would not come along for the ride. He disliked those in both camps.

He must have felt very lonely, amid the thousands of people around him day in and day out, he was really all alone - an "Only One".

Very nice, this video supplies key missing pieces to the puzzle which reveals the true face of L. Ron Hubbard.
Lakey


That is how I see the con developed. It never would have survived without the contributions and participation of many others at great expense.

Now for a more rational thought: The Dalai Lama says, "We can't be useful to ourselves unless we're useful to others. Whether we like it or not, we're all connected, and it is unthinkable to be happy all by oneself. Anyone concerned only by his own well-being will suffer eventually. Anyone concerned with the well-being of others takes care of himself without even thinking about it. Even if we decide to remain selfish, let us be intelligently selfish - let us help others."
 

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lkwdblds

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Well and concisely stated!

That is how I see the con developed. It never would have survived without the contributions and participation of many others at great expense.

Now for a more rational thought: The Dalai Lama says, "We can't be useful to ourselves unless we're useful to others. Whether we like it or not, we're all connected, and it is unthinkable to be happy all by oneself. Anyone concerned only by his own well-being will suffer eventually. Anyone concerned with the well-being of others takes care of himself without even thinking about it. Even if we decide to remain selfish, let us be intelligently selfish - let us help others."

I believe that all the info necessary to lead a full and meaningful llife is contained in that one paragraph above. All the other books, videos, films, etc. are merely anecdotes and treatises commenting on that paragraph. Mother Teresa, you must be resting at peace wherever you are.

I don't know why it is so important to help others, perhaps the interconnection between us all has much to do with it. The world is sort of like a big box spring matress. Someone puting weight on one part of the matress causes reactions over its entire area (except for that one brand whose commercials show that their coils have no linkage).

Help yourself and you have momentary gratification. Help another and you have permanent gratification for both of you. That is truly amazing! Things do not have to be set up that way but they are. The creators of the Physical Universe at least got that one thing right and that one thing is MAJOR and it by itself can make living in this Universe an enjoyable and worthwhile experience.
Lakey
 

AnonKat

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John McMaster

John McMaster

John McMaster, a dedicated $cientologist in the 1960s, was proclaimed by founder L. Ron Hubbard to be the "world's first real Clear." He was a charismatic promoter and lecturer, and as a key aide to Hubbard contributed greatly to his early financial success. He was the chosen ambassador of $cientology, lending to it his personal image of competence, gentleness and love. Among his accomplishments for Hubbard was the creation of the Power Processes - Grade 7 on the $cientology grade chart. Hubbard promoted him to "Pope" in 1966, a title not to endure. And though Hubbard's income soared, McMaster received none of it.
Under Hubbard, McMaster had no real power. He slowly became disillusioned as he saw $cientology organizations turn authoritarian and brutally punitive, far different from how he had portrayed them. He witnessed the imprisonment of a terrified 4-year-old in the Sea Org's dark, filthy, rat- infested chain locker for the "Ethics offense" of chewing one of Hubbard's papers. Such imprisonment became a common form of staff punishment. "Overboarding" was instituted, with "out-ethics" staff being forcibly thrown into the ocean. McMaster was overboarded several times, the last time being left struggling in the water with a broken collarbone for 3 hours. According to McMaster, in some orgs with no chain locker or overboarding facilities, the offender's head is shoved into a toilet bowl, which is then flushed.

McMaster fell from grace in 1968 when he challenged Hubbard for chain-lockering a little deaf-mute girl for a week. He was subject to hard labor, sleep deprivation and other hardships. "Hubbard wanted to break me," he states. In 1969 McMaster resigned from $cientology, and was declared "suppressive" by Hubbard.

McMaster stated in an interview: "I was so excited about the function of auditing ($cientology counseling) that I was willing to overlook Hubbard's faults - . That was up to a point of course, the final point being my realization that his intentions were entirely self-serving. I saw that he was in it for the money and personal power, and his actual intentions were not as stated. The basic function of auditing is a wonderful thing, but Hubbard perverted it."

Sad to say, John McMaster, Clear #1, was interviewed 2 years before his death in a Manchester England transient hotel (flop house). In a tiny room filled with dead flowers, he told of being tormented and taunted by Hubbard for being gay. He died of cirrosis of the liver due to a long bout of alcoholism - ONE MORE $CIENTOLOGY "SUCCESS STORY."

References: A PIECE OF BLUE SKY by Jon Atack; L. RON HUBBARD: MESSIAH OR MADMAN? by Bent Corydon and L. Ron Hubbard Jr
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Hey Folks,

I need a break from the daily grind of retirement so I’m takin’ off in a couple of hours to go visit family and friends for a week or so.:coolwink:

I’ll be checkin’ in but most likely not posting much…if I don’t I’ll get so far behind I’ll never catch up…besides, I’d prob’ly start missin’ yall and get “Homesick”!:bigcry:

Ted’s recent comments re: posts, posting and posters was good stuff.:yes:

FOTI…everyone is contributing to this thread, including the Lurkers. Your posts are always real and always really appreciated.:clap:

Good stuff is happenin’ here and its ‘cause of All Yall…Us.:happydance:

Face:)
 

Ted

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McMaster stated in an interview: "I was so excited about the function of auditing that I was willing to overlook Hubbard's faults. That was up to a point of course, ..."


I was also curious and hopeful. That was my entry point. What was your'n?
 

EP - Ethics Particle

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Some "Travellin' music" fer ya, Face!

Hey Folks,

I need a break from the daily grind of retirement so I’m takin’ off in a couple of hours to go visit family and friends for a week or so.:coolwink:

I’ll be checkin’ in but most likely not posting much…if I don’t I’ll get so far behind I’ll never catch up…besides, I’d prob’ly start missin’ yall and get “Homesick”!:bigcry:

Ted’s recent comments re: posts, posting and posters was good stuff.:yes:

FOTI…everyone is contributing to this thread, including the Lurkers. Your posts are always real and always really appreciated.:clap:

Good stuff is happenin’ here and its ‘cause of All Yall…Us.:happydance:


Face:)

Be assured that a whole bunch of us ethics particles will be with ya in spirit!:yes::coolwink: EP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sod5TeCCQHA
 
John McMaster, a dedicated $cientologist in the 1960s, was proclaimed by founder L. Ron Hubbard to be the "world's first real Clear." He was a charismatic promoter and lecturer, and as a key aide to Hubbard contributed greatly to his early financial success. He was the chosen ambassador of $cientology, lending to it his personal image of competence, gentleness and love. Among his accomplishments for Hubbard was the creation of the Power Processes - Grade 7 on the $cientology grade chart. Hubbard promoted him to "Pope" in 1966, a title not to endure. And though Hubbard's income soared, McMaster received none of it.
Under Hubbard, McMaster had no real power. He slowly became disillusioned as he saw $cientology organizations turn authoritarian and brutally punitive, far different from how he had portrayed them. He witnessed the imprisonment of a terrified 4-year-old in the Sea Org's dark, filthy, rat- infested chain locker for the "Ethics offense" of chewing one of Hubbard's papers. Such imprisonment became a common form of staff punishment. "Overboarding" was instituted, with "out-ethics" staff being forcibly thrown into the ocean. McMaster was overboarded several times, the last time being left struggling in the water with a broken collarbone for 3 hours. According to McMaster, in some orgs with no chain locker or overboarding facilities, the offender's head is shoved into a toilet bowl, which is then flushed.

McMaster fell from grace in 1968 when he challenged Hubbard for chain-lockering a little deaf-mute girl for a week. He was subject to hard labor, sleep deprivation and other hardships. "Hubbard wanted to break me," he states. In 1969 McMaster resigned from $cientology, and was declared "suppressive" by Hubbard.

McMaster stated in an interview: "I was so excited about the function of auditing ($cientology counseling) that I was willing to overlook Hubbard's faults - . That was up to a point of course, the final point being my realization that his intentions were entirely self-serving. I saw that he was in it for the money and personal power, and his actual intentions were not as stated. The basic function of auditing is a wonderful thing, but Hubbard perverted it."

Sad to say, John McMaster, Clear #1, was interviewed 2 years before his death in a Manchester England transient hotel (flop house). In a tiny room filled with dead flowers, he told of being tormented and taunted by Hubbard for being gay. He died of cirrosis of the liver due to a long bout of alcoholism - ONE MORE $CIENTOLOGY "SUCCESS STORY."

References: A PIECE OF BLUE SKY by Jon Atack; L. RON HUBBARD: MESSIAH OR MADMAN? by Bent Corydon and L. Ron Hubbard Jr


The dates are completely wrong, but most of the other details are quite correct.

I didn't enter Scientology until April of 68. The original Vlll course started on 24 September, 1968. I remember being with my girl friend, Laurie Noonan in a small room at the Santa Clara center with John McMaster. That could not have been before early 1970, when we were both staff there.

The power processes were grades 5 and 5A not 7. The class of auditor, who could audit power was class 7.

John stayed with Charlie Dunn's brother (and his wife) for quite some time, doing interviews on tape where he slammed Hubbard. Hubbard was pretty sadistic when it came to John. He slams him, without mentioning his name, on one of the class Vlll lectures. Hubbard didn't like competition. John had too many admirers.

Alan Walter said, and I never knew whether to believe him, that there were times when John McMaster got drunk, that he (John) would walk on swimming pools. The power process research folders had copies of his PC folder worksheets. He ran an incident in a town in Israel where miracles were happening around year 0 AD. He was a huge being.
 

FoTi

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McMaster stated in an interview: "I was so excited about the function of auditing that I was willing to overlook Hubbard's faults. That was up to a point of course, ..."


I was also curious and hopeful. That was my entry point. What was your'n?

Mine was pretty much the same. I really liked the aims of Scientology....I thought we were really going to have a world without illness, insanity and war...seemed like a really good goal to me. Something I'd wanted for a long time. So, it gave me a lot of hope for myself, my family, my friends and the future of mankind on this planet.

I also was very curious about what it would be like to be full OT - to be able to be cause all the time and just glow things right.....have all of my postulates be for a better world and a better me. It sure made life seem better - just thinking about it.

I was also really curious about who I had been and what I had done on the Whole Track. I wanted to know ..... about everything and it seemed like Scientology was the way to do that. I bought the PR, hook, line and sinker, for 30 years. I kept wanting it all to be true.

I guess it was my own desire for the above to come into being that kept me in for so long. I wish it had been true.....it would have been really nice.
 

FoTi

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Hey Folks,

I need a break from the daily grind of retirement so I’m takin’ off in a couple of hours to go visit family and friends for a week or so.:coolwink:

I’ll be checkin’ in but most likely not posting much…if I don’t I’ll get so far behind I’ll never catch up…besides, I’d prob’ly start missin’ yall and get “Homesick”!:bigcry:

Ted’s recent comments re: posts, posting and posters was good stuff.:yes:

FOTI…everyone is contributing to this thread, including the Lurkers. Your posts are always real and always really appreciated.:clap:

Good stuff is happenin’ here and its ‘cause of All Yall…Us.:happydance:

Face:)

Thanks Face.

Have a good trip. And may you have many happy experiences in your travels and come back to tell us about your adventure and all the fun times you had with your family and friends. :)
 

lkwdblds

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Did you achieve any partial realizations of your goal?

Mine was pretty much the same. I really liked the aims of Scientology....I thought we were really going to have a world without illness, insanity and war...seemed like a really good goal to me. Something I'd wanted for a long time. So, it gave me a lot of hope for myself, my family, my friends and the future of mankind on this planet.

I also was very curious about what it would be like to be full OT - to be able to be cause all the time and just glow things right.....have all of my postulates be for a better world and a better me. It sure made life seem better - just thinking about it.

I was also really curious about who I had been and what I had done on the Whole Track. I wanted to know ..... about everything and it seemed like Scientology was the way to do that. I bought the PR, hook, line and sinker, for 30 years. I kept wanting it all to be true.

I guess it was my own desire for the above to come into being that kept me in for so long. I wish it had been true.....it would have been really nice.

Hi FoTi: Your goals were noble as they were for so many of us. Any partial realizations of goals or attainment of abilities during the 30 years in which you were involved?

The game isn't over yet, expecially here on the wild and wooly Apollo '73 thread. With our cast of ALL STARS and all the topics we are covering from baseball and classic cars, popular music, etc. all the way through to serious new technical breakthroughs, many people are blowing out on this thread, getting validation and tons of case gain and giving others case gain by sharing their thoughts and experiences with us. You may not know it but I bought some FoTi based on your recommendation and am taking it so you are one of my opinion leaders so take a bow!
Lakey
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