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Here is Whoopi Ti Yi Yo about a cattle drive in Texas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgYhfVc3mjQ



Next is the Ballad of Billy the Kidd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DIFiHqNkt0&feature=related

There was a New Mexico Lakey out of Las Cruces, New Mexico (1840-1861) shot with bow and arrow by an Indian while he and a ranch hand were stringing fencing on the family ranch. That New Mexico Lakey may have gone on a cattle drive, taking a herd to Texas as a teen ager. Thus Lakey's fascination with the Whoopi Ti Yi Yo song.
Lakey

I'm going to post a related song from the 1950s. Mule Train by Frankie Laine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK4NMFYdmeM

The reason is the producer of that recording died the other day. Mitch Miller was 99. His birthday was the 4th of July. He was one of the top guys at Columbia. He produced Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Doris Day, and "Sing Along With Mitch" to name a few. He had a good long run.
 

Leon

Gold Meritorious Patron
I don't know, but it's interesting that Leon's attempt at nullifying Ex-Scientologists is identical to the attempt being made by one CofS troll (not on this thread), that "You're not an ex-Scientologist, since you weren't really a Scientologist in the first place." Kind 'a creepy.


This is curious. The post I made was very off-hand and I posted it just before I logged off. Didn't expect any replies to it, yet there have been several expressing agreement.

I'm not sure who the Troll is that you refer to nor what he does that makes him one. Nor do I understand why i ahould be "creepy" that he and I share a view on some things. I think by now you are familiar enough with my view on Scientology so that nothing I say should surprise you much. Why then does this post, since it is in line with all my earlier views?

Perhaps you could explain.
 

Veda

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This is curious. The post I made was very off-hand and I posted it just before I logged off. Didn't expect any replies to it, yet there have been several expressing agreement.

I'm not sure who the Troll is that you refer to nor what he does that makes him one. Nor do I understand why i ahould be "creepy" that he and I share a view on some things. I think by now you are familiar enough with my view on Scientology so that nothing I say should surprise you much. Why then does this post, since it is in line with all my earlier views?

Perhaps you could explain.

You're right. I should be accustomed to it by now.
 

The Magic Thetan

Patron with Honors
Double Posting

I just noticed that I am responding to a double post from John. There are already many responses to the same post of his ON THE OTHER THREAD. This is dev-t, John. If you insist on double posting stuff, which I think is a really bad idea, at least say that it is a double post.

Paul

I was advised to double post from the beginning. Now I am told that if i only post on Apollo site, it will give the impression that the antagonistic people won.

I just want to please everyone. Got any idea how I pull that off.

Tell me how to indicate if it's a double post. Do I just say at the beginning of the post that it is a double post?

:duh:Thanks for wanting to assist. I am just getting some who want me to do it one way, and other who want me to do just the opposite.
 
Here's the view of two of Ingo Swann's associates at SRI on (although it's not mentioned by name) Scientology's exploitation of interest in psychic sensitivities and abilities: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=239573&postcount=60

Hi Veda!:)

I'm thinking your reposting your post about Russell Targ, Ingo Swann, etc has to do with my post to The Great Zorg.

As far as i know, you and I are largely in agreement on most issues regarding the cultness of Scientology (and also the coolness of the ISB).

I can just add off the wall comments to your post's contents. We seem to all be connected, I'm just adding connections.

Ingo Swann and Ken Ogger's (the Pilot) mother, Louise Kelly (a Commodore Staff Class Vlll) were a 2D for some good long period of time. I think Ingo is officially gay now, but there was a time when he was hetero.

My girl friend in 1969, Laurie Noonan ( now Captain of Flag Staff), when she was a little little kid would ride outside of the school bus. exterior from her body.


(side note / disclaimer)
there are many of us with stories like that to tell. The OT levels are horseshit (apologies to my horses). OT 1 and the very first OT 7 were good. OT 3, in any form, is an abomination.
 
QUOTE FROM EMAIL I RECEIVED TODAY
An OT Boom of Unimaginable Proportions: 10,000 on Solo NOTs

“AT ANY ONE TIME ON EARTH THERE WERE NOT MORE THAN ABOUT 10,000 PEOPLE OF A CALIBER THAT WAS SUFFICIENT TO DO A LITTLE STEERING OR LEADING…..THERE’S ONLY ABOUT 10,000 OF THEM REALLY.”

L RON HUBBARD 18 Dec 1952 “How to Talk to Friends About Scientology”

We have passed the halfway point in our quest to get to 10,000 at the top of the Gradation Chart.

Yes, that does mean we now have over 5000 New OT VIIs & OT VIIIs on earth! This is massively good news, of course, for the planet and the handling of this society! But what is actually more important is the next stage, getting the next 5000 onto Solo NOTs to bring us up to the 10,000 figure.

Why 10,000?

Per calculations done when the target was first launched it was estimated that these OTs, now Cause Over Life or close to it, would produce a large enough volume of field activity to get all orgs to Saint Hill size and consequently bring about the release of New OT IX and X. It was a mathematical equation, all extrapolated out.

An OT Boom of Unimaginable Proportions: 10,000 on Solo NOTs

Love,
Barbera Dews

Wow! I am so glad that the Co$ is doing so well. We must be having a real win win kind of phenomena. Here are the stats for freezoneearth.org

Web Site Report For freezoneearth.org

Yearly Report




The Yearly Report shows total activity on your site for each calendar year. Remember that each page hit can result in several server requests as the images for each page are loaded.
Note: Most likely, the first and last years will not represent a complete year's worth of data, resulting in lower hits.




Year Number of requests Number of page requests
2009 __564,038 284,266
2010 1,216,352 564,508


OMG, i just realized that 2010 isn't over yet. these stats are incorrect. I think they are going to be higher when we get through December.
 
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FoTi

Crusader
I was advised to double post from the beginning. Now I am told that if i only post on Apollo site, it will give the impression that the antagonistic people won.

I just want to please everyone. Got any idea how I pull that off.

Tell me how to indicate if it's a double post. Do I just say at the beginning of the post that it is a double post?

:duh:Thanks for wanting to assist. I am just getting some who want me to do it one way, and other who want me to do just the opposite.

How about .... just forget about finding out what's needed and wanted by all and just post your story. You're never going to satisfy or please everyone here or anywhere else. There are too many varied opinions and viewpoints here and elsewhere in the world. Just do your thing and let the cards fall where they may. If some don't like what you're doing....so what? It's your story. Just tell it. You're not going to damage anybody or kill anybody here by telling your story. Sometimes telling the truth can get some people upset. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the truth. Just maintain your own personal integrity and tell your story. You already know that there are quite a few people on here that want to hear it, so tell it already. We are all waiting. Please quit waffling and just spill the beans or maybe I'll have to come out to California and :buttkick:

I'm getting impatient here. :waiting: :stickpoke:
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
I was advised to double post from the beginning. Now I am told that if i only post on Apollo site, it will give the impression that the antagonistic people won.

I just want to please everyone. Got any idea how I pull that off.

Tell me how to indicate if it's a double post. Do I just say at the beginning of the post that it is a double post?

:duh:Thanks for wanting to assist. I am just getting some who want me to do it one way, and other who want me to do just the opposite.

I acknowledge the willingness!

Double-posting is an unusual solution to your perceived problem of having the "antagonistic people win." It annoys me because it prevents all the conversation on a topic at one time being in one place. Plus it adds to the traffic. There is already too much to keep up with. If people start posting the same thing in different places because they consider it important, then a responder may also consider he needs to post his response in the same places. Or if he doesn't, and refrains from that particular excess, then he might be concerned that his skillful rejoinders won't be seen.

Pushing the Apollo thread as the "hip" thread to post on or the best place for mature intelligent work is Lakey's hobbyhorse, with some help from his friends. :). I think it's just creating dev-t in this instance. It's not a huge deal, but to quote (roughly) some Hubbard for you, remember that Logic about the introduction of an arbitrary inviting the introduction of further arbitraries? Well, here it is in action.

You'll never please everyone. Be true to yourself. You're not doing so badly now after getting off on the wrong foot. You're still here, which is a good sign!

Paul
 
Senior Living Adult Education

The Project of the Day at the Hebrew Home for the Aged was to try to create something from memory.
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The Magic Thetan

Patron with Honors
That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ John, this is a real reply to you personally from a real person. If you are even a tenth of the auditor that you say you are (and I do know that you are), you will actually respond to this. AND NOT as a sentence paragraph as a part of a long post of other two sentence replies. The nature of communication mean treating each person with respect, not just lumping them in an in basket of "to handle".

John, this note is to you personally. It is not to This Is Not OK. How would you answer him if he was standing talking to you? He is actually repeating the auditing question. He is looking for some answers.

I don't know, but I'd say he should read some Ayn Rand (starting with the "Virtue of Selfishness")

:angry: Please see my response to NOT OK, and let me know if I am OK in your eyes now, or I am still not OK.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
:) Thanks for all the good advice. I have never been on any internet message boards. This is my 1st experiences.

:keelover:I am still a little bit leery about detailing my experiences with Ron as I feel I went way out gradient in my first posting. However, that being said, I will dive off the board once more.

:hotwater::melodramatic:My first communication occurred about 2 AM in the morning in December of 1967 after I had sent him a letter regarding some OT experiences. Someone, a secretary or communicator came on the line wanting to know if the phone line was secure. I assured her it was, and then Ron came on shocking the hell out of me.

That's how it started.

There were more calls as time went on, and other interactions that I will detail in the Chronicles when I feel completely comfortable doing so.

OK, thank you. What I understand at present is that you wrote Ron a letter about some OT experiences, then he telephoned you in Dec 1967, and also later, and there was a telepathic rapport after that. And the details will be revealed in the Chronicles to come.

Good luck with your work. Don't get distracted too much off it by ESMB!

Paul
 

The Magic Thetan

Patron with Honors
I know it irritates Paul when folks post the same thing on two threads simultaneously. I’m kinda in a conundrum as I am responding to Fisherman and the LRH Thumbnail Sketch thread with stuff that was gonna be part of my “Readers Digest” treatments over here.



Do unto others as you would have done onto you.” Jesus of Nazareth.

“The unexamined life is not worth living.” Socrates of Athens

To distill my personal What and Why re: Scn to compact narrative is not easy but here’s Part One of my go at it.

As I have written earlier on the Apollo ’73 thread, I grew up country, what was then lower middle class or upper lower class. My parents were Born Again, Charismatic, Fundamentalist Christians. They were also verbally, emotionally and physically violent.

From my earliest memory, I have felt “connected” to “something and others” which to this day I cannot describe in words and won’t indulge in here.

I went to a country school and the classes were small with usually 14 to 18 students in each grade K-8. Everything from wealthy Ag families and the Doctors kids to transients and kids from a Catholic orphanage were represented there. It was no secret who or what your family was.

By the time I entered the 3rd grade, I was on my way to “mirroring” the violence and hate that I was growing up around. I was combative, self righteous, angry, often times mean and very much self loathing. I felt trapped and helpless, hopeless.

All around us in this world are truly Angels and Saints, if you will. They are not the big personas, have no shrines in their memory and seek not the riches of the world…my 3rd grade teacher was/is one of them. It was here first year at the school and she was young, probably in her late 20’s-early 30’s. I was the worst, both academically and behaviorally, child in the class. We had reading groups that we worked in and I was the worst reader in the lowest group. During the first few weeks of class it was very clear to her what she had in little Face; a smart mouthed, defiant and troubled little boy that constantly tried to create argument, trouble and pick a fight.

About 3 or 4 weeks into the school year she took me aside and forever changed my life. She told me that I was one of the brightest of children she had seen…that I had no idea of the gifts I had been given…that as long as I was in her class she was not going to allow me to waste what I had been given.

“How do you know that?” I sobbed.

“The question, Mr. Face,” she replied, “is how will you know that?”

“I don’t know how?" I wailed.

“That’s why I am here. I am here to teach you how. I am going to teach you to read.”

“But I can’t read,” I screamed.

“No, Mr. Face…you will not read and that is why you can’t read. I will teach you how and you will read and you will learn,” she answered softly, firmly. “But, the decision is yours. You must, yourself, make this decision and make it now...it is up to you and no one else.”

Ms. “Angel” went on to explain that she had spoken with my parents and told them that she was going return me to 2nd grade unless they, and I, agreed that I would; 1. Stop disrupting the class; 2. Stop fighting; 3. Stay after school for 1 hour a day, 4 days a week for as long as she determined. She went on to tell me that my parents thought I should be sent back a grade to “teach me a lesson” but that it was up me whether or not that was going to happen. I must admit here that the big “driver” for me in taking up Ms. Angel on her offer was that I was defying my parents…I honestly think she knew that from the get go.

Over the next months, Ms. Angel tutored and by Christmas break, I was the best reader in the class and her top student. She taught me so much, not just the three “R”, but about dignity, self esteem…on and on…and, she taught me humility. Every Friday, the 5 levels of reading groups would take their reading book and join Ms. Angel at a table in the room. We would take turns reading out loud and then discuss what we had read. They were children’s books, but, the concept and joy of discussing amongst others what all had read was what she was teaching. Several months into our Lyceum together, Ms. “Angel announced to the class that I was now a member of the green group—the best readers in the class. I was elated, stood up and strutted to the table, receiving my “honor” with an “I’m so cool” gait and sassy “Look at me” grin on my face.
Once we were all seated, Ms. Angel sat down, sweetly smiled and looked me.

“Well, Mr. Face,” she said politely, “I can see that you are off to great start here in the Green Group.”

My heart pounded with pride, my head spun with the exhilaration of self adulation.

“Now,” she said, still ever so politely, “please go back to your desk and put your head down until the Green Group is finished.” Tears welled in my eyes and I looked at her, hurt beyond pain. “You seem to have forgotten why we are here, Mr. Face. You didn’t bring your book,” she finished.

As I sat there with my head down the old hates, loathing and angers consumed me. She had betrayed me. She had made fun of me. After some time, I smiled as the warmth and peace of her lesson washed over me—“Don’t Showboat”.

Over the next four years I read incessantly, at every opportunity… Biographies, Novels, History, Astronomy, Physics and then Encyclopedias, increasing from remedial to Adult. Often, while everyone else in the house was sleeping, I would read late into the night, under the covers, flashlight in hand. When I was in 7th grade, by the grace and providence of Ms. Angel’s gifts to me, one day in the library I found a four volume set of books titled, “The Worlds Great Thinkers” and in those books I found Plato’s Dialogue of Socrates, “Meno”.

I was…we all were…Meno’s slave!

I wept the day I read “Meno” the first time.

Up to and including this day while writing this, as a being, I weep unashamedly when I speak of Ms. Angel.

Face:)

Beautiful. Than you
 
:angry: Please see my response to NOT OK, and let me know if I am OK in your eyes now, or I am still not OK.

I did, and the fact that you stood there and tried to answer his questions and accusations without HE & R is showing you for the stand up guy that you are.

I thought that it was important for you to talk mano a mano with those who could intelligently ask questions and make statements, not for grandstanding purposes, but for understanding.

It is part of "reading a room"

this board is a lot like a room full of diverse minds. It's better if they like you.

First Impressions are much more important than any other.
 
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The Magic Thetan

Patron with Honors
Dear John,

Please continue with your story and your truths. I would like very much to read both.

I left Scientology in 1973 because I had observed things that led me to believe that it was becoming something very different that the group I got into. I had completed Cl 6, Cs 7 training and was OT 1.

I believe you know my ex-husband Steve Muro since I heard you say "Hi, Steve" at the July 4th party. My leaving was the end of our marraige, but we are still friends and keep in touch.

I will soon be 76 and am still studying for enlightment. You sound like a person who may have some truths I would like to know. I would not like to miss what you have to share just because some members of ESMB are not interested. I would sugest that anyone who does not want to hear what you have to say to put you on ignore, rather then waste the time of the rest of us who are wanting to listen,

I am looking forward to your words.

Love & Light,
Pat

I will continue to tell the story but I may need a break. I am getting a bit overwhlemed trying to handle all that has come my way.

:heartflower:I love you you are, and I will do my best. Love John
 

The Magic Thetan

Patron with Honors
Dear John,

Please continue with your story and your truths. I would like very much to read both.

I left Scientology in 1973 because I had observed things that led me to believe that it was becoming something very different that the group I got into. I had completed Cl 6, Cs 7 training and was OT 1.

I believe you know my ex-husband Steve Muro since I heard you say "Hi, Steve" at the July 4th party. My leaving was the end of our marraige, but we are still friends and keep in touch.

I will soon be 76 and am still studying for enlightment. You sound like a person who may have some truths I would like to know. I would not like to miss what you have to share just because some members of ESMB are not interested. I would sugest that anyone who does not want to hear what you have to say to put you on ignore, rather then waste the time of the rest of us who are wanting to listen,

I am looking forward to your words.

Love & Light,
Pat

Forgot to say. :spacecraft:Yes I know Steve well. We were together when he was doing events presenting a great alien for us to enjoy. It is part of what got me declared, daring to look at "Another Practice" :coolwink::aliengreeting:

:eyeroll::rose:Love john
 
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