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lkwdblds

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Not just Ted likes these, add Lakey and others


Believe me, its not just Ted who likes these, Lakey salivates to them as well. It seems to me that Face would be of the same ilk.

My new friend Edey acquits herself well in this area of aesthetics (I believe this type of feminine display is called "cheesecake"). Edey proudly announces she is turning 60 in October and I still find her very sexy. She is 5'8" and 141 lbs, very long legged and often wears dresses. She eats vegan and meditates which keep her body and space clean, she is so busy these days, she admits that she should be spending more time exercising. Still, she is very firm and has real nice muscle tone. There is a little aging taking place, a couple of lines here or there, a little puffyness in the face but not the body. She is just a really fine looking woman for not only her age but for any age. Her butt is still perfect, if you see her in jeans from the back or side with her long reddish hair, you would think she is 20 years old based on her butt. I don't know how a 59 year old woman can sustain a teen agers' butt but she does. It must be just very good genetics, her Mother was a Ukrainian Jew and her Dad was Scottish.
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Super Lakey - Breakthrough session given yesterday!

When Roger posted some newer methods of handling entities yesterday, I knew that they had arrived because I would soon be needing them, but I did not realize how soon! It was 4:30 PM yesterday, I received a phone call from Edey saying there was a man at Ginger's Wellness Center who was beset by a hostile entity and wanted it handled and I had to come now. I told them I was not coming there in rush hour traffic about 22 miles to give someone a free session. Edey said that he was going to pay so I drove right over. Despite rush hour, all the traffic was going the other way and I made it there in about 30 minutes.

I met the man, Chris, from Nigeria, a large black man about 40 or so with his head shaved bald in the modern style much like that of many black athletes. We started session and I let him tell me his story for 15 or 20 minutes.

THE LAKEY CARRIER WAVE FOR A SESSION
My attention was rivited onto my client, I let him talk at length, giving frequent half acks, I acted as if what he told me was commonplace and routine when in fact it was mind boggling and out of the ordinary. I would punctuate his remarks occasionally with, "Wow, that is so real to me" or "Oh my God, its incredible, I had that exact same feeling once") I was at strong interest in tone.

HIS PROBLEM - A SPACE ALIEN WAS HAUNTING HIM AND TRYING TO TAKE OVER HIS MIND Real quick, he used to sleep well and his dreams were expansive and he advanced spiritually from his dreams. He got a new room mate and immediately his dreams became nightmares, he began dreaming of alien space ships landing and aliens trying to take over his mind. He moved out to a different town but his vivid nightmares followed him and now he perceived his former room mate was attempting to take over his mind.

He was very spiritual and fought of the take over by meditating. When he meditated deeply, the entity could not break through and reach his mind. If he was tired or discouraged, the entity would immediately come for him.

This had been going on for two years, he had seen several psychics and they all thought he was a nut job and did not have any handling for him. He said that the entity was currently wrapped about his feet like an anklle bracelet and he wanted it removed.

HOW IS THAT FOR A CHALLENGE ?
Inside me, I was scared a bit that I could not help him but I put those feelings aside and radiated total confidence that this was very routine and would be no problem to resolve. HAD I NOT READ ROGER'S POST YESTERDAY AND AFTER MY EXCHANGE WITH URQU, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE GONE FORWARD WITH THE SESSION. Instead, I wanted to take this client on and help him.

There were two ways I could go, use the NOTS technique with or without massage or just run a 2 way comm and try and handle verbally or with R3R. I decided to opt for the first choice with no massage, focusing on the ankle bracelets around his feet. I told him to put his attention on that area and intend the question to the entity, "What is your goal with me, what is it you are trying to achieve?" He put the question out silently and nearly 5 minutes passed and he did not say anything. I asked, what was going on. He said the entity had built a cage around himself and the question was beiing blocked. I already had perceived a cage built at his feet. I gave the command again, still the same result but the cage softened a bit.

What to do? what to do? I told him we were going to unburden him by running some other smaller entities off and I would do my normal massage procedure. He mentioned that he had a bad left shoulder pain and a pain on the side of his left rib cage. I executed my standard massage and found a pinched nerve on the right side of the neck, did the NOTS technique and it quickly blew. I then moved to the left shoulder. I worked the area vigorously and found that the hurt shoulder and the rib cage pain were connected, it was all from one source. We found a group of beings there, ran off the 2 leaders of that goup and that entire trauma blew. I checked with him beforehand whether he wanted to retain these conditiions or blow them and of course he wanted to blow them. Now we were set to return to the Ankle Bracelet entitiy.

THE CLIENT VOICES TWO THOUGHTS AND I PICK UP ON THEM AND I SOLVE THE CASE IN MY MIND

First, the client said, "Sometimes I think I pulled in this entity for a reason, to learn something but I have had him now for two years and I have not learned anything and I just want to be free of him now. Next he said that he often thought about what the lessons could possibly be that he was supposed to learn but he could not figure it out.

I immediately had a cognition, followed shortly by three more cogs and I immediately knew we would be finishing up successfully in less than 10 minutes.

First I addressed him as to his causing the entity to be on him so as to learn something. I told him that in my own studies, we were taking up this point. I told him that what we found was that each of us created our own universe and that when we had ourselves receive seemingly unpleasant sensations, it was done for us to learn a lesson. He agreed wholeheartedly and started to loosen up a bit. He then asked me, "But what can I do, no matter how much I think, I can't figure out the lesson I am supposed to learn" I told him that I was going to evaluate for him and give my own opinion and asked if this was okay and he said to go ahead. I told him, "Your problem is that you think too much" You are not going to solve this by thinking about it." He was perplexed and said, well then what can I do. I said, well start by locating your entity and being there with it and flowing it some admiration for being so persistent with you. He did that and the cage started to dissipate and the entity began to relax and open up to him. I said that I wanted to give him more of my opinion and he said okay, I started talking and I said, "I noticed that when you meditated, the entity left you alone but that when you thought about how to block out the entity, the entity attacked harder. I said that the entity comesfrom a civilization more advanced than ours and that they probably do not do much, if any, thinking there. Meditating and telepathic thought are more real to them. He pondered that concept and started to brighten up.

I then began talking on automatic, choking with tears and I told him I thought the entity was channeling through me to relay to him its message, he told me to continue. "I went off on automatic as the entity spoke through me that he had picked Chris to be his spiritual team mate and that he wanted to impart his wisdom to Chris and wanted to learn Chris's Earthly wisdom from him. He did not understand why Chris had thoughts to figure out how to block him out. Only when Chris meditated was the entity able to learn from Chris. The entitiy told me to tell Chris that he picked Chris and that he loved him and he wanted Chris to stop trying to block him out and instead love him back so that each one could learn from the other as per the entitie's original plan. Chris pondered this situation for 7 or 8 minutes while I just sat there and didn't say a thing. Suddenly Chris began to smile and grin from ear to ear. He said, this is very interesting stuff, and you are an amazing guy, you got me to look at this in a totally different way. I thanked him and asked, do you want to get rid of this entity or keep him. He said, of course I want very much to keep him. I said, "End of Session!" Client was VVGI's.

I got paid $65, of which I had to give Ginger $20. Still, it was a start. The session took 1 hour and 10 minutes. I got rid of a pinched nerve on his neck, healed his left shoulder and eliminated a chronic pain in his left rib cage and then got him to see that his dreaded entity was actually a loving spirit who wanted to share knowledge with him. The $65 was important because that was the first money I have ever made doing this stuff. I could frame the first $20 bill. For me, my confidence really went up. I really have a gift of being a healer and I can handle just about anyone of good will who comes my way!!

When I told Edey, she said we are going to raise my rates to $90 for one hour and $125 if it goes past the hour.
Lakey
 
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Ted

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When Roger posted some newer methods of handling entities yesterday, I knew that they had arrived because I would soon be needing them soon, but I did not realize how soon! It was 4:30 PM yesterday, I received a phone call from Edey saying there was a man at Ginger's Wellness Center who was beset by a hostile entity and wanted it handled and I had to come now. I told them I was not coming there in rush hour traffic about 22 miles to give someone a free session. Edey said that he was going to pay so I drove right over. Despite rush hour, all the traffic was going the other way and I made it there in about 30 minutes.

I met the man, Chris, from Nigeria, a large black man about 40 or so with his head shaved bald in the modern style much like that of many black athletes. We started session and I let him tell me his story for 15 or 20 minutes.

THE LAKEY CARRIER WAVE FOR A SESSION
My attention was rivited onto my client, I let him talk at length, giving frequent half acks, I acted as if what he told me was commonplace and routine when in fact it was mind boggling and out of the ordinary. I would punctuate his remarks occasionally with, "Wow, that is so real to me" or "Oh my God, its incredible, I had that exact same feeling once") I was at strong interest in tone.

HIS PROBLEM - A SPACE ALIEN WAS HAUNTING HIM AND TRYING TO TAKE OVER HIS MIND Real quick, he used to sleep well and his dreams were expansive and he advanced spiritually from his dreams. He got a new room mate and immediately his dreams became nightmares, he began dreaming of alien space ships landing and aliens trying to take over his mind. He moved out to a different town but his vivid nightmares followed him and now he perceived his former room mate was attempting to take over his mind.

He was very spiritual and fought of the take over by meditating. When he meditated deeply, the entity could not break through and reach his mind. If he was tired or discouraged, the entity would immediately come for him.

This had been going on for two years, he had seen several psychics and they all thought he was a nut job and did not have any handling for him. He said that the entity was currently wrapped about his feet like an anklle bracelet and he wanted it removed.

HOW IS THAT FOR A CHALLENGE ?
Inside me, I was scared a bit that I could not help him but I put those feelings aside and radiated total confidence that this was very routine and would be no problem to resolve. HAD I NOT READ ROGER'S POST YESTERDAY AND AFTER MY EXCHANGE WITH URQU, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE GONE FORWARD WITH THE SESSION. Instead, I wanted to take this client on and help him.

There were two ways I could go, use the NOTS technique with or without massage or just run a 2 way comm and try and handle verbally or with R3R. I decided to opt for the first choice with no massage, focusing on the ankle bracelets around his feet. I told him to put his attention on that area and intend the question to the entity, "What is your goal with me, what is it you are trying to achieve?" He put the question out silently and nearly 5 minutes passed and he did say anything. I asked, what's going on. He said the entity had built a cage around himself and the question was beiing blocked. I already had perceived a cage built at his feet. I gave the command again, still the same result but the cage softened a bit.

What to do? what to do? I told him we were going to unburden him by running some other smaller entities off and I would do my normal massage procedure. He mentioned that he had a bad left shoulder pain and a pain on the side of his left rib cage. I executed my standard massage and found a pinched nerve on the right side of the neck, did the NOTS technique and it quickly blew. I then moved to the left shoulder. I worked the area vigorously and found that the hurt shoulder and the rib cage pain were connected, it was all from one source. We found a group of beings there, ran off the 2 leaders of that goup and that entire trauma blew. I checked with him beforehand whether he wanted to retain this conditiions or blow them and of course he wanted to blow them. Now we were set to return to the Ankle Bracelet entitiy.

THE CLIENT VOICES TWO THOUGHTS AND I PICK UP ON THEM AND I SOLVE THE CASE IN MY MIND

First, the client said, "Sometimes I think I pulled in this entity for a reason, to learn something but I have had him now for two years and I have not learned anything and I just want to be free of him now. Next he said that he often thought about what the lessons could possibly be that he was supposed to learn but he could not figure it out.

I immediately had a cognition, followed shortly by three more cogs and I immediately knew we would be finish up successfully in less than 10 minutes.

First I addressed him as to his causing the entity to be on him so as to learn something. I told him that in my own studies, we were taking up this point. I told him that what we found was that each of us created our own universe and that when we had ourselves receive seemingly unpleasant sensations, it was done for us to learn a lesson. He agreed wholeheartedly and started to loosen up a bit. He then asked me, but what can I do, no matter how much I think, I can't figure out the lesson I am supposed to learn. I told him that I was going to evaluate for him and give my own opinion and asked if this was okay and he said to go ahead. I told him, "Your problem is that you think too much" You are not going to solve this by thinking about it." He was perplexed and said, well then what can I do. I said, well start by locating your entity and being there with it and flowing it some admiration for being so persistent with you. He did that and the cage started to dissipate and the entity began to relax and open up to him. I said that I wanted to give him more of my opinion and he said okay, I started talking and I said, "I noticed that when you meditated, the entity left you alone but that when you thougt about howto block out the entity, the entity attacked harder. I said that the entity comesfrom a civilization more advanced than ours and that they probably do not do much, if any, thinking there. Meditating and telepathic thought are more real to them. He pondered that concept and started to brighten up.

I then began talking on automatic, choking with tears and I told him I thought the entity was channeling me to relay to him its message, he told me to continue. "I went off on automatic as the entity spoke through me that he had picked Chris to be his spiritual team mate and that he wanted to impart his wisdom to Chris and wanted to learn Chris's Earthly wisdom from him. He did not understand why Chris had thoughts to figure out how to block him out. Only when Chris meditated was the entity able to learn from Chris. The entitiy told me to tell Chris that he picked Chris and that he loved him and he wanted Chris to stop trying to block him out and instead love him back so that each one could learn from the other as per the entities original plan. Chris pondered this situation for 7 or 8 minutes while I just sat there and didn't say a thing. Suddenly Chris began to smile and grin from ear to ear. He said, this is very interesting stuff, and you are an amazing guy, you got me to look at this in a totally different way. I thanked him and asked, do you want to get rid of this entity or keep him. He said, of course I want very much to keep him. I said, "End of Session!" Client was VVGI's.

I got paid $65, of which I had to give Ginger $20. Still, it was a start. The session took 1 hour and 10 minutes. I got rid of a pinched nerve on his neck, healed his left shoulder and eliminated a chronic pain in his left rib cage and then got him to see that his dreaded entity was actually a loving spirit who wanted to share knowledge with him. The $65 was important because that was the first money I have ever made doing this stuff. I could frame the first $20. For me, my confidence really went up. I really have a gift of being a healer and I can handle just about anyone of good will who comes my way!!
When I told Edey, she said we are going to raise my rates for $90 for one hour and $125 if it goes past the hour.
Lakey


Lakey, it looks like you were underpaid. :thumbsup:
 

RogerB

Crusader
When Roger posted some newer methods of handling entities yesterday, I knew that they had arrived because I would soon be needing them soon, but I did not realize how soon! It was 4:30 PM yesterday, I received a phone call from Edey saying there was a man at Ginger's Wellness Center who was beset by a hostile entity and wanted it handled and I had to come now. I told them I was not coming there in rush hour traffic about 22 miles to give someone a free session. Edey said that he was going to pay so I drove right over. Despite rush hour, all the traffic was going the other way and I made it there in about 30 minutes.

I met the man, Chris, from Nigeria, a large black man about 40 or so with his head shaved bald in the modern style much like that of many black athletes. We started session and I let him tell me his story for 15 or 20 minutes.

THE LAKEY CARRIER WAVE FOR A SESSION
My attention was rivited onto my client, I let him talk at length, giving frequent half acks, I acted as if what he told me was commonplace and routine when in fact it was mind boggling and out of the ordinary. I would punctuate his remarks occasionally with, "Wow, that is so real to me" or "Oh my God, its incredible, I had that exact same feeling once") I was at strong interest in tone.

HIS PROBLEM - A SPACE ALIEN WAS HAUNTING HIM AND TRYING TO TAKE OVER HIS MIND Real quick, he used to sleep well and his dreams were expansive and he advanced spiritually from his dreams. He got a new room mate and immediately his dreams became nightmares, he began dreaming of alien space ships landing and aliens trying to take over his mind. He moved out to a different town but his vivid nightmares followed him and now he perceived his former room mate was attempting to take over his mind.

He was very spiritual and fought of the take over by meditating. When he meditated deeply, the entity could not break through and reach his mind. If he was tired or discouraged, the entity would immediately come for him.

This had been going on for two years, he had seen several psychics and they all thought he was a nut job and did not have any handling for him. He said that the entity was currently wrapped about his feet like an anklle bracelet and he wanted it removed.

HOW IS THAT FOR A CHALLENGE ?
Inside me, I was scared a bit that I could not help him but I put those feelings aside and radiated total confidence that this was very routine and would be no problem to resolve. HAD I NOT READ ROGER'S POST YESTERDAY AND AFTER MY EXCHANGE WITH URQU, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE GONE FORWARD WITH THE SESSION. Instead, I wanted to take this client on and help him.

There were two ways I could go, use the NOTS technique with or without massage or just run a 2 way comm and try and handle verbally or with R3R. I decided to opt for the first choice with no massage, focusing on the ankle bracelets around his feet. I told him to put his attention on that area and intend the question to the entity, "What is your goal with me, what is it you are trying to achieve?" He put the question out silently and nearly 5 minutes passed and he did say anything. I asked, what's going on. He said the entity had built a cage around himself and the question was beiing blocked. I already had perceived a cage built at his feet. I gave the command again, still the same result but the cage softened a bit.

What to do? what to do? I told him we were going to unburden him by running some other smaller entities off and I would do my normal massage procedure. He mentioned that he had a bad left shoulder pain and a pain on the side of his left rib cage. I executed my standard massage and found a pinched nerve on the right side of the neck, did the NOTS technique and it quickly blew. I then moved to the left shoulder. I worked the area vigorously and found that the hurt shoulder and the rib cage pain were connected, it was all from one source. We found a group of beings there, ran off the 2 leaders of that goup and that entire trauma blew. I checked with him beforehand whether he wanted to retain this conditiions or blow them and of course he wanted to blow them. Now we were set to return to the Ankle Bracelet entitiy.

THE CLIENT VOICES TWO THOUGHTS AND I PICK UP ON THEM AND I SOLVE THE CASE IN MY MIND

First, the client said, "Sometimes I think I pulled in this entity for a reason, to learn something but I have had him now for two years and I have not learned anything and I just want to be free of him now. Next he said that he often thought about what the lessons could possibly be that he was supposed to learn but he could not figure it out.

I immediately had a cognition, followed shortly by three more cogs and I immediately knew we would be finish up successfully in less than 10 minutes.

First I addressed him as to his causing the entity to be on him so as to learn something. I told him that in my own studies, we were taking up this point. I told him that what we found was that each of us created our own universe and that when we had ourselves receive seemingly unpleasant sensations, it was done for us to learn a lesson. He agreed wholeheartedly and started to loosen up a bit. He then asked me, but what can I do, no matter how much I think, I can't figure out the lesson I am supposed to learn. I told him that I was going to evaluate for him and give my own opinion and asked if this was okay and he said to go ahead. I told him, "Your problem is that you think too much" You are not going to solve this by thinking about it." He was perplexed and said, well then what can I do. I said, well start by locating your entity and being there with it and flowing it some admiration for being so persistent with you. He did that and the cage started to dissipate and the entity began to relax and open up to him. I said that I wanted to give him more of my opinion and he said okay, I started talking and I said, "I noticed that when you meditated, the entity left you alone but that when you thougt about howto block out the entity, the entity attacked harder. I said that the entity comesfrom a civilization more advanced than ours and that they probably do not do much, if any, thinking there. Meditating and telepathic thought are more real to them. He pondered that concept and started to brighten up.

I then began talking on automatic, choking with tears and I told him I thought the entity was channeling me to relay to him its message, he told me to continue. "I went off on automatic as the entity spoke through me that he had picked Chris to be his spiritual team mate and that he wanted to impart his wisdom to Chris and wanted to learn Chris's Earthly wisdom from him. He did not understand why Chris had thoughts to figure out how to block him out. Only when Chris meditated was the entity able to learn from Chris. The entitiy told me to tell Chris that he picked Chris and that he loved him and he wanted Chris to stop trying to block him out and instead love him back so that each one could learn from the other as per the entities original plan. Chris pondered this situation for 7 or 8 minutes while I just sat there and didn't say a thing. Suddenly Chris began to smile and grin from ear to ear. He said, this is very interesting stuff, and you are an amazing guy, you got me to look at this in a totally different way. I thanked him and asked, do you want to get rid of this entity or keep him. He said, of course I want very much to keep him. I said, "End of Session!" Client was VVGI's.

I got paid $65, of which I had to give Ginger $20. Still, it was a start. The session took 1 hour and 10 minutes. I got rid of a pinched nerve on his neck, healed his left shoulder and eliminated a chronic pain in his left rib cage and then got him to see that his dreaded entity was actually a loving spirit who wanted to share knowledge with him. The $65 was important because that was the first money I have ever made doing this stuff. I could frame the first $20. For me, my confidence really went up. I really have a gift of being a healer and I can handle just about anyone of good will who comes my way!!
When I told Edey, she said we are going to raise my rates for $90 for one hour and $125 if it goes past the hour.
Lakey

Nice, Lakey . . . .

But the question I used was :
"When I was traveling the world following having done some NOTs before doing S/NOTs . . . and I found myself away from any processing facility, my standard handling of any "troublesome" spiritual connections (mine or another's) was to simply ask and have exposed the Being's intention/purpose being pursued and what was it doing as an automatic on-going creation. Spotting this unlocked the unwanted condition of jammed-up or encysted life-force.

Spiritual connections, just like us, can be dramatizing old, old inappropriate solutions: solutions which produce unwanted conditions in PT."

This is more open than the question you used: "I told him to put his attention on that area and intend the question to the entity, "What is your goal with me, what is it you are trying to achieve?"

YOu see, the "entity" can be operating on an old solution that has nothing to do with a "goal or purpose with the client" . . . it could be solving something quite unrelated.

By the way, on the questions: "What are you?" and "who are you," there has been added some added think over the years as to what they do and what the auditor is trying to do.

Some think the "what" question is to get the identity the entity is dramatizing and to thereby blow the stuck identity . . . well that can happen . . . but the real and bottom line answer to that question that restores truth and the positive for the entity is along the lines that the entity is a "spiritual Being" or a spiritual presence or such . . . not necessarily that it is being a "body cell" or "the mind" or some mechanical object or such.

And the ultimate right answer to "who" is, "Me" (the Being itself.)

These basic answers restore the truth and allow the entity to recover its self determinism.

Rog
 
There were a couple of these guys working with oil pastels who had the same style. I liked Norman Rockwell too. Where are these great artists today. I mean where are the ones for our era.
I'm a leg person. These girls in the paintings all have perfect legs, short torsos above miniscule waistes and curvy hips and beautiful backs. Now backs like those in the artwork here are rare. Its harder to find a gorgeous back than a perfect pair of legs. Working out by the resort pools you get to see all the parts on display. Men and women. Very few have the proportions of these babes. :whistling:

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While running the Bay to Breakers (7.5 mile race from the San Francisco Bay Bridge to the Pacific Ocean) with 75,000 others, a few years ago. We saw an artist selling paintings on the street.

We immediately ran to an ATM, gave him money, said we'd be back to pick up our painting, and continued the race.

His paintings are on old windows. Single pane glass windows are constantly being replaced with new gas filled insulating / noise reduction windows.


He paints on the back of the window, making a negative canvas, so to speak. You view the painting through the actual window glass - from the other side from where he has painted. His name is Duke. We've hosted him at our house and at the beach. Our friends and family have bought his paintings.

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lkwdblds

Crusader
Rog, I owe you big time for this new tech I can USE.

Nice, Lakey . . . .

But the question I used was :
"When I was traveling the world following having done some NOTs before doing S/NOTs . . . and I found myself away from any processing facility, my standard handling of any "troublesome" spiritual connections (mine or another's) was to simply ask and have exposed the Being's intention/purpose being pursued and what was it doing as an automatic on-going creation. Spotting this unlocked the unwanted condition of jammed-up or encysted life-force.

Rog, I need to make up some cards containing the commands. It all happened so fast that I winged it from memory. I believe my session demeanor and carrier wave go a long way towards mitigating errors caused by partial flubbing of a command but I will make up some cards today so I don't flub the commands again.

Spiritual connections, just like us, can be dramatizing old, old inappropriate solutions: solutions which produce unwanted conditions in PT."

This is more open than the question you used: "I told him to put his attention on that area and intend the question to the entity, "What is your goal with me, what is it you are trying to achieve?"

YOu see, the "entity" can be operating on an old solution that has nothing to do with a "goal or purpose with the client" . . . it could be solving something quite unrelated.

I see, thanks so much, this added theory really helps!

By the way, on the questions: "What are you?" and "who are you," there has been added some added think over the years as to what they do and what the auditor is trying to do.

Very interesting! I am glad I stopped auditing with C of S in '93 and never learned their new commands otherwise all of my money reserves would have been tapped and I would probably be on welfare now.

Some think the "what" question is to get the identity the entity is dramatizing and to thereby blow the stuck identity . . . well that can happen . . . but the real and bottom line answer to that question that restores truth and the positive for the entity is along the lines that the entity is a "spiritual Being" or a spiritual presence or such . . . not necessarily that it is being a "body cell" or "the mind" or some mechanical object or such.

And the ultimate right answer to "who" is, "Me" (the Being itself.)

These basic answers restore the truth and allow the entity to recover its self determinism.

Rog

Roger, I knew the correct answer to the "who" question is "Me" but did not know what the "what" question was designed to reveal. When I myself was audited, I never once gave "spiritual being" or anything like that on the "what" leg. My whats were always sort of post related, items such as a scout, a sentry, a spy, stuff like that. Often, I would cheer up on one of these types of whats, smile and get a small f/n and then the auditor would always take that answer. I was a fast runing pc, so if I would have given "spiritual being" as my what, I would have probably either had each entity blow by inspection after that or quickly answer "Me" the first time the "who" question was intended over to the entity.

I told Evy about the session when I got home. She made one good suggestion. Chris had asked me where I learned my techniques. I always answer that the massage was learned from a friend Ed, also I have studied Vedic religions (Most of the study was reading Vinaire's works and participating on the Oh!God!! thread), then I mention that handling entities came from the C of S where I studied for a long time but am no longer a member and lastly, I have been a healer in past lives.

Evy said not to pussyfoot around and act ashamed that I was a Scientologists. She said to just assert with confidence something like, "I studied these procedures in the Church of Scientology for over 25 years." and act proud about it. I believe she is correct on that point. Then Edey and not Evy told me never to mention that I got anything from past lives unless I am absolutely certain that a person believes in past lives. She said that no matter how great a session you give, if you mention that you believe in past lives and your client does not, they will not book anymore sessions with you.

I thought men are supposed to be the ones with the common sense and the women are ruled more by emotion but these two sage women in my life seem to have common sense wisdom in areas in which I do not have it.
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Thanks Carmelo!

Wow

nice work!

Thanks for the ack! This was a defining session for me. I now believe in myself and believe it is right to develop and pursue the gifts I have in this area. As Ted said, for $65 he got something priceless, fixing a pinched nerve, handling two chronic and painful somatics and then undoing his spiritual chains and finding a spiritual team mate where he had suspected an evil entity trying to take over his beingness. $6,500 would not be unreasonable to ask for this service. If he knew he could achieve all that he got but that it would cost him $6,500, he might well have gone for it. Talk about exchanging in abundance!

Well, we agreed to be friends and exchanged numbers. He lives in Mission Viejo in Orange County about 35 miles Southeast of me. We are going to get together for lunch or dinner soon. A new friendship with a very interesting guy is worth 70 minutes of session time. That's another way to look at it.
Lakey
 
Thanks for the ack! This was a defining session for me. I now believe in myself and believe it is right to develop and pursue the gifts I have in this area. As Ted said, for $65 he got something priceless, fixing a pinched nerve, handling two chronic and painful somatics and then undoing his spiritual chains and finding a spiritual team mate where he had suspected an evil entity trying to take over his beingness. $6,500 would not be unreasonable to ask for this service. If he knew he could achieve all that he got but that it would cost him $6,500, he might well have gone for it. Talk about exchanging in abundance!

Well, we agreed to be friends and exchanged numbers. He lives in Mission Viejo in Orange County about 35 miles Southeast of me. We are going to get together for lunch or dinner soon. A new friendship with a very interesting guy is worth 70 minutes of session time. That's another way to look at it.
Lakey

The way I see pricing, whether we are talking wallpaper hanging, painting, or spiritual coaching is: get started for free if necessary. work for any price, without feeling that you are being taken advantage of. When more people (word of mouth) comes to your door, jack up the prices incrementally. Keep jacking the prices up. Eventually you get paid what you're worth.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Very powerful commentary! Face, maybe you missed your true calling. You could be a Tony Robbins type motivational speaker earning the ultra big bucks, using words as stirring as those you used here.
Lakey

Your very kind, Lakey.

I began writing this specifically to encourage you to go forward but, as usual, I got carried away.

Great news on your “Breakout” Session.

Carmelo speaks great sooth re: fees. Focusing on the money isn’t what got you to where you are.

Gifts are not there to be cash cows and instruments of wealth creation…although that can happen as a by-product…they are there to light your path and the paths of others that cross your path. Exchange, synergy and sustenance in many forms, types, flavors and colors is the “juice” that helps your light shine brighter but is not the light itself.

Unfortunately, when focus (context) is lost, the “Mirror Effect” can also happen with gifts and you become the moth that flies into your own flame (like El Ron and Mary Sue).

What gifts I have, have brought me many blessing and my abuse of others and self with them many heartaches.

Face:)
 

Leon

Gold Meritorious Patron
VWD on that session Lakey. Keep up the good work - Your natural talents are coming to the fore.
 
Lakey,

While I love Urqu to death, as noted in my earlier posts honoring him . . . he did audit some of my NOTs at FSO, I am not in accord with him on his criticism of what you are doing.

Having said that, one must also say that one should respect and honor his integrity to the LRH tech he is defending. And having said that, I must say I am not in accord with the LRH tech that is being defended. LRH's handling of spiritual connections is a gross error and disaster.

Good post, Roger. It highlights the importance of mutual respect among the practitioners of various forms of clearing tech. There are many fine & ethical beings on all sides of the debates.

Too often over the last 30 years I've seen discussions of technical issues degenerate into flame wars & personal calumnies. There are legitimate distinctions in viewpoints about clearing tech. They often reflect real conditions arising from differences in assumptions, considerations, and pragmatic results.

Ken U. is one of the finest human beings it has been my pleasure to meet. He gets excellent results routinely with his pcs from the approaches to tech that he uses. Similarly with Roger, Carmelo, and many many others.

Differences in tech often reflect differences in style of the individual auditors involved. What works well & routinely for one auditor may be a total bust for another. What one auditor may be comfortable attempting, another may consider to be "too experimental". Some may feel uncomfortable without a "set methodology", while others much prefer to "wing it" and handle whatever comes up from whatever perspective the pc can "have".

There is a bit of a myth about "one size fits all" in auditing. Just as there is no "universal pc", neither is there a "universal auditor". Hence the need to consider and be open to a wide variety of ideas about auditing and clearing tech generally, and not simply dismiss other's ideas as being somehow "non-standard".

Essentially clearing practitioners of all types are still working from a basis of what "appears to work" for them. This remains a largely "subjective" determination. The successful practice of auditing is still far from being a fully "objective" science.

It would be REALLY NICE to have the luxury of extensive clinical trials as a method for validating the development of formal techniques. That is a luxury that heretofore has not been pursued. It need not, and indeed has not, been an absolute barrier to progress.

Great strides have been made over recent decades, but there remain legitimate bases for disagreements. Openness to other ideas remains the best guarantee of good results.


Mark A. Baker
 
LOL!!! We've Been Boarded!!!

Aww we were always number one, now we lead the stats. We almost scraped their hull when we slipped past them. One of those woggyassed FCDC landlubbers might have slipped over the gun'ls with sabotage on his mind. I want everyone to immediately drop everything your doing and turn this thread upsidedown looking for infiltrators. lkwdblds! Post the conn on the bridge pick a deputy, secure The Commodore's quarters and direct everyone from there. Nevermind the engine room. I'll check that. Now let's get crackin'!


Har de har har!!! :D We've been boarded, mateys! :melodramatic: :D

Welcome Commander Birdsong, you scurvy knave you!!!:p
We loves everybody here on the Aboard the Apollo thread (especially jolly pirates)!!! :coolwink:

It's not only a moveable feast, but a very broad and big tent as well...plenty of room for you and other FCDC castaways...:D

Welcome all, and congrats to all the dear posters who have made our thread NUMBER ONE! Huzzah!:happydance:
 
I boohooed bigtime!

One of my favorite lines in all of pop-rock: "This is how I feel." Appears clearly around 2:00.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZXLLEeUXKA&feature=related

Below, Catherine Moore managed an expressive bit of prose to say for herself, "This is how I feel."

Hope you enjoy it:

CHEYENNE

By Catherine Moore

"Watch out! You nearly broadsided that car!" My father yelled at me. "Can't you do anything right?"

Those words hurt worse than blows. I turned my head toward the elderly man in the seat beside me, daring me to challenge him. A lump rose in my throat as I averted my eyes. I wasn't prepared for another battle.

"I saw the car, Dad. Please don't yell at me when I'm driving." My voice was measured and steady, sounding far calmer than I really felt.

Dad glared at me, then, turned away and settled back. At home, I left Dad in front of the television and went outside to collect my thoughts. Dark, heavy clouds hung in the air with a promise of rain. The rumble of distant thunder seemed to echo my inner turmoil.

What could I do about him?

Dad had been a lumberjack in Washington and Oregon . He had enjoyed being outdoors and had reveled in pitting his strength against the forces of nature. He had entered grueling lumberjack competitions and had placed often. The shelves in his house were filled with trophies that attested to his prowess.

The years marched on relentlessly. The first time he couldn't lift a heavy log, he joked about it; but later that same day, I saw him outside alone, straining to lift it. He became irritable whenever anyone teased him about
his advancing age or when he couldn't do something he had done as a younger man.

Four days after his sixty-seventh birthday, he had a heart attack. At the hospital, Dad was rushed into an operating room. He was lucky; he survived.

But something inside Dad died. His zest for life was gone. He obstinately refused to follow doctor's orders. Suggestions and offers of help were turned aside with sarcasm and insults. The number of visitors thinned and then finally stopped altogether. Dad was left alone.

My husband, Dick, and I asked Dad to come live with us on our small farm. We hoped the fresh air and rustic atmosphere would help him adjust. Within a week after he moved in, I regretted the invitation. It seemed nothing was satisfactory. He criticized everything I did. I became frustrated and moody. Soon, I was taking my pent-up anger out on Dick. We began to bicker and argue. Alarmed, Dick sought out our pastor and explained the situation. The clergyman set up weekly counseling appointments for us. At the close of each session, he prayed, asking God to soothe Dad's troubled mind. But the months wore on and God was silent. Something had to be done and it was up to me to do it.

The next day, I sat down with the phone book and methodically called each of the mental health clinics listed in the Yellow Pages. I explained my problem to each of the sympathetic voices that answered. In vain. Just when I was giving up hope, one of the voices suddenly exclaimed, 'I just read something that might help you! Let me go get the article.' I listened as she read. The article described a remarkable study done at a nursing home. All of the patients were under treatment for chronic depression. Yet their attitudes had improved dramatically when they were given responsibility for a dog.

I drove to the animal shelter that afternoon. After I filled out a questionnaire, a uniformed officer led me to the kennels. The odor of disinfectant stung my nostrils as I moved down the row of pens. Each contained five to seven dogs. Long-haired dogs, curly-haired dogs, black dogs, spotted dogs all jumped up, trying to reach me. I studied each one, but rejected one after the other for various reasons, too big, too small, too much hair. As I neared the last pen, a dog in the shadows of the far corner struggled to his feet, walked to the front of the run and sat down. It was a pointer, one of the dog world's aristocrats. But this was a caricature of the breed. Years had etched his face and muzzle with shades of gray. His hipbones jutted out in lopsided triangles. But it was his eyes that caught and held my attention. Calm and clear, they beheld me unwaveringly.

I pointed to the dog. 'Can you tell me about him?' The officer looked, then shook his head in puzzlement..

"He's a funny one. Appeared out of nowhere and sat in front of the gate. We brought him in, figuring someone would be right down to claim him; that
was two weeks ago and we've heard nothing. His time is up tomorrow." He gestured helplessly.

As the words sank in, I turned to the man in horror. "You mean you're going to kill him?"

"Ma'am," he said gently, "that's our policy. We don't have room for every unclaimed dog."

I looked at the pointer again. The calm brown eyes awaited my decision. "I'll take him," I said.

I drove home with the dog on the front seat beside me. When I reached the house, I honked the horn twice. I was helping my prize out of the car when Dad shuffled onto the front porch.

"Ta-da! Look what I got for you, Dad!" I said excitedly.

Dad looked, then wrinkled his face in disgust. "If I had wanted a dog, I would have gotten one. And I would have picked out a better specimen than that bag of bones. Keep it! I don't want it" Dad waved his arm scornfully and turned back toward the house.

Anger rose inside me. It squeezed together my throat muscles and pounded into my temples.

"You'd better get used to him, Dad. He's staying!" Dad ignored me. "Did you hear me, Dad?' I screamed. At those words, Dad whirled angrily, his hands clenched at his sides, his eyes narrowed and blazing with hate.

We stood glaring at each other like duelists, when, suddenly, the pointer pulled free from my grasp. He wobbled toward my dad and sat down in front of him. Then slowly, carefully, he raised his paw.

Dad's lower jaw trembled as he stared at the uplifted paw. Confusion replaced the anger in his eyes. The pointer waited patiently. Then, Dad was on his knees, hugging the animal. It was the beginning of a warm and intimate friendship. Dad named the pointer Cheyenne . Together, he and Cheyenne explored the community. They spent long hours walking down dusty lanes. They spent reflective moments on the banks of streams, angling for tasty trout. They even started to attend Sunday services together, Dad sitting in a pew and Cheyenne lying quietly at his feet.

Dad and Cheyenne were inseparable throughout the next three years. Dad's bitterness faded and he and Cheyenne made many friends. Then, late one night, I was startled to feel Cheyenne's cold nose burrowing through our bed covers. He had never before come into our bedroom at night. I woke Dick, put on my robe, and ran into my father's room. Dad lay in his bed, his face serene. But his spirit had left quietly sometime during the night.

Two days later, my shock and grief deepened when I discovered Cheyenne lying dead beside Dad's bed. I wrapped his still form in the rag rug he had slept on. As Dick and I buried him near a favorite fishing hole, I silently thanked the dog for the help he had given me in restoring Dad's peace of mind.

The morning of Dad's funeral dawned, overcast and dreary. This day looks like the way I feel, I thought, as I walked down the aisle to the pews reserved for family. I was surprised to see the many friends Dad and Cheyenne had made filling the church. The pastor began his eulogy. It was a tribute to both Dad and the dog who had changed his life. And, then, the pastor turned to Hebrews 13:2. "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers."

"I've often thanked God for sending that angel," he said.

For me, the past dropped into place, completing a puzzle that I had not seen before: the sympathetic voice that had just read the right article.

Cheyenne's unexpected appearance at the animal shelter, his calm acceptance and complete devotion to my father, and the proximity of their deaths. And, suddenly, I understood. I knew that God had answered my prayers after all. Life is too short for drama & petty things, so laugh hard, love truly, and forgive quickly. Live While You Are Alive. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity. Forgive now those who made you cry. You might not get a second time.


:clap::bigcry::clap:

Awwww...Ted! I just LOVE a good Angel story! :yes: Not to mention a good Dad story and a good dog story!!! :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::yes::thumbsup:

I can't stand it...this was a three hankie story for sure!!! :thumbsup:

Big hugs, everybody! :happydance:
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Outstanding post!!

Good post, Roger. It highlights the importance of mutual respect among the practitioners of various forms of clearing tech. There are many fine & ethical beings on all sides of the debates.

Too often over the last 30 years I've seen discussions of technical issues degenerate into flame wars & personal calumnies. There are legitimate distinctions in viewpoints about clearing tech. They often reflect real conditions arising from differences in assumptions, considerations, and pragmatic results.

Ken U. is one of the finest human beings it has been my pleasure to meet. He gets excellent results routinely with his pcs from the approaches to tech that he uses. Similarly with Roger, Carmelo, and many many others.

Differences in tech often reflect differences in style of the individual auditors involved. What works well & routinely for one auditor may be a total bust for another. What one auditor may be comfortable attempting, another may consider to be "too experimental". Some may feel uncomfortable without a "set methodology", while others much prefer to "wing it" and handle whatever comes up from whatever perspective the pc can "have".

There is a bit of a myth about "one size fits all" in auditing. Just as there is no "universal pc", neither is there a "universal auditor". Hence the need to consider and be open to a wide variety of ideas about auditing and clearing tech generally, and not simply dismiss other's ideas as being somehow "non-standard".

Essentially clearing practitioners of all types are still working from a basis of what "appears to work" for them. This remains a largely "subjective" determination. The successful practice of auditing is still far from being a fully "objective" science.

It would be REALLY NICE to have the luxury of extensive clinical trials as a method for validating the development of formal techniques. That is a luxury that heretofore has not been pursued. It need not, and indeed has not, been an absolute barrier to progress.

Great strides have been made over recent decades, but there remain legitimate bases for disagreements. Openness to other ideas remains the best guarantee of good results.


Mark A. Baker

Excellent post! Really a nice and well balanced summary of various approaches to mental and spiritual healing technologies! I found your post very helpful in sorting out where I fall on the spectrum and how to reconcile with Urqu that I have decided to run entities after all.

As to the clinical tests, that would be so nice and so extremely valuable if such tests could occur. The place where they should occur is in Med Schools or in studies of Psychology and Psychoanalysis but it is doubtful if they will ever appear there. For one thing, the Drug Companies are big financial contributors to these institutions and certainly do not want to lose business to some mental or spiritual practice which does very well on double blind with placebo type of testting procedures. What do you think about that? It would be interesting to hear your opinion.
Lakey
 
Wow!

My first wife was Czech. We in an old brit car, Riley, a badge engineered
austin/morris, and excellent. Had a problem with a broken rear spring. Was repaired by enthusiastic fellows in Pilsen. Exchange included was some scotch whiskey.

We were travelling to her relations and parents in the country and Prague.

Back then, 1969 or so, it was not OK to be open about, well anything really.

On trying for a visa we were asked if we'd spy on the Czech rebuplic
by the brit authorities. We didn't agree.

One of our journeys we were stopped by cops and told that my wife
should know better than travel near a border without a passport!

She cried.

I had no agreement that these assholes could have any control
over me or wife.

And ...I hadn't even done OT 2and 3 and more back then!

I believe this was the first time I had Pilsner Urquell, which
means " Original Pilsner". This was the first gold or pale lager.
Stored in ..."Lagers"...underground. All others are, or at least were,
a Pale imitation.

Also there was Budwieser, from the Czech town of ... can't
spell it, but similar name. " Czeske Budwar" ?

Spent some time with relatives. Was somewhat frank and
erudite uncle dodged questions till we were safe at home.
this was on the famous bridge in Prague.

He commented on the de-fenestration of a national hero.

Well I'll be darned, so this is where "Pilsner" comes from! Learn something new every day!

Great life experience here, "cousin" Terril! :D You should write a book about your adventures and travels! Thanks for sharing the fun stories, and TA for the kind comments on my looks (I am a cool squirrel, even when I'm not lying recumbant on a tree branch! :D).
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Thanks for you VWD

VWD on that session Lakey. Keep up the good work - Your natural talents are coming to the fore.

Thanks for the VWD. Hey, here's an idea, how about being my honorary C/S? God knows I need a C/S and you are qualified for the job and those VWD's sure lift one's spirits.
Lakey
 

FoTi

Crusader
Lakey, it looks like you were underpaid. :thumbsup:

For sure, Lakey.....you were way underpaid. Look at all that you helped the guy with. Where else could he get that much in one session? Your services are worth a whole lot more than what you received or what you will get paid for your next session. I would suggest that along with the group that you are working with there, check around your area and look for other groups that are into kind of far out thinking or spiritual healing....hook up with them and show them what you can do. Once the word gets out of what you can do, people will be talking about you and you will be getting lots of referrals and people will be beating down your door for your services. I bet that as your reputation with this grows it will bring you more wealth than you have known this lifetime as well as the freedom to work when you want, do what you want.....woo hoo!!!!! Wow! This is too cool!!!! Go Lakey!!!!
 
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