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Hatshepsut

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I've heard of a couple of people who purchased their bridge by making one last marijuana run.
My nephew who lives in Kentucky said the forest reserve there has more mary jane than northern Cal.

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I did not know this

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Do you think breast baring is becoming a fashion statement of our times?
Yes! Celebrities today, other women tomorrow.
Maybe! But only among publicity-hungry celebrities.
No way! This would be outrageous.




Breast Baring Commonplace Here

If you think we're living in racy times now, think again. Janet Jackson's Super Bowl escapade wouldn't have raised an eyebrow in the 17th century. Based on an in-depth study of fashion, portraits, prints, and thousands of woodcuts from ballad sheets of that era, researchers from the University of Warwick in Coventry, England report that women of the 1600s--from queens to prostitutes--commonly exposed one or both breasts in public and in the popular media of the day, reports Discovery News.

Here's the real kicker: They did it to show off their virtue.

Particularly in England and the Netherlands, breast exposure was common and accepted behavior in the 17th century. History researcher Angela McShane Jones became interested in the subject when she examined woodcut ballad sheets that were housed at Cambridge University, the British Library, the National Library of Scotland, and Harvard University. In the 1600s, these ballad sheets were the pop music and pulp fiction of the day, featuring a woodcut that illustrated 10 to 14 verses of song, notes the Discovery News. Costing just a half-penny or a penny each, they were purchased from street vendors at fairs and markets.

What caught Jones' attention is that many of the woodcuts depicted women with bared breasts. Sometimes the bared breast was no accident. Dresses were so low-cut they purposely exposed a woman's bosom.

Jones explained to Discovery News that in paintings, breast exposure could have symbolic meaning, especially when just one breast was shown. Ladies of the high court were often painted in allegories as classical figures or as female saints, whose martyrdom usually involved breast removal.

But most of all when a woman exposed her breast, it was a sign of her virtue. "The exposure of the breast was a display of the classical and youthful beauty of the woman. She was showing her 'apple like' unused Venus breasts," Jones told Discovery News. "This was a display of her virtue, her beauty, and her youth. Upper class women maintained the quality of their breasts by not breastfeeding their children and passing them on to wet nurses." It was actually part of a woman's honor to display her virtue by exposing her breasts. Even her husband would have been proud to have this classical beauty on display, insists Jones.

The trend began in the 1400s in the French court and was later popularized in England by Queen Mary II and Henrietta Maria, the wife of King Charles I. This unusual fashion trend had a comeback in the 18th and 19th centuries when it was scandalous for a woman to show her shoulders or legs, but quite acceptable to bare her bosom.

All of which just begs for us to ask this question: Is breast baring making a comeback now?
 

Hatshepsut

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woodcuts from ballad sheets of that era, researchers from the University of Warwick in Coventry, England report that women of the 1600s--from queens to prostitutes--commonly exposed one or both breasts in public and in the popular media of the day, reports Discovery News. <snip

I Did see a lot of political cartoons last year of Marie Antoinette. They all showed her nipples popping up over her bodice. Apparently the young queen was endowed and healthy and wanted to show the court. ribald humor I thought. Little did I know it reflected the truth.
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lkwdblds

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Aha - similar to threatening a Vampire

Drew Johnston was locked in a room with reges once. he asked for a cigarette. he lit it, and then proceeded to push it at one of the reges' eyes until hey opened the door.

Way to go Drew! This is akin to driving a vampire back by threatening it with a Christian cross and jabbing the cross at its face.
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

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How long would it take for the lady to get dressed and do her hair?

I Did see a lot of political cartoons last year of Marie Antoinette. They all showed her nipples popping up over her bodice. Apparently the young queen was endowed and healthy and wanted to show the court. ribald humor I thought. Little did I know it reflected the truth.
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How long would it take for a women to bathe, get her coiffure done, get dressed like this and appear at a public function. It seems like several days would be required.
Lakey
 
I Did see a lot of political cartoons last year of Marie Antoinette. They all showed her nipples popping up over her bodice. Apparently the young queen was endowed and healthy and wanted to show the court. ribald humor I thought. Little did I know it reflected the truth.
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Champagne coupe


from wikipedia:
Champagne coupe

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The champagne coupe or champagne saucer is a shallow, broad-bowled, stemmed glass, commonly used at wedding receptions, often stacked in layers to build a champagne tower. Champagne is continuously poured into the top glass, trickling down to fill every glass below. Legend has it the shape of the glass was modeled on the breast of Marie Antoinette, Joséphine de Beauharnais, Madame de Pompadour, or one of several other French aristocrats, although this is almost certainly false. The glass was designed especially for champagne in England in 1663, preceding those aristocrats by almost a century.[2]
The coupe was popularized in post-Prohibition America at the Stork Club [1], where Champagne flowed freely and celebrities had bottles of champagne sent to their tables, compliments of the house. The coupe was the champagne glass of choice through the 1960s. it can sustain upto 4 fl oz
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Hatshepsut

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How long would it take for a women to bathe, get her coiffure done, get dressed like this and appear at a public function. It seems like several days would be required.
Lakey

I suppose if you had that kind of finery you also had maid servants to do your dressing up for you. The French also liked to take it off quick when it became necessary. The wig is probably attached to the hat. The skirt probably has the hoop sewn into it already....:whistling:
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Hatshepsut

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I have often heard it said that the frenchmen like their women with no more breast than can fit into a champagne glass. Anything else is regarded as a waste. I guess they made up for it with the hair....at one time
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JackStraw

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I gotta question and this seems as good a place for it as any...

Why is it, when I look at the bottom of the main page of ESMB at the list of "Who is Online" I see, well, I'm listed FIRST!:coolwink:, but then everyone else is listed in alphabetical order, I see Carmelo listed, underlined, in blue, like everyone else, but HE has a "+" sign next to his name????:confused2:

What's up witht that????

What makes him so special? (besides all his usual wonderfulness, I mean)

:DJack:D
 
I gotta question and this seems as good a place for it as any...

Why is it, when I look at the bottom of the main page of ESMB at the list of "Who is Online" I see, well, I'm listed FIRST!:coolwink:, but then everyone else is listed in alphabetical order, I see Carmelo listed, underlined, in blue, like everyone else, but HE has a "+" sign next to his name????:confused2:

What's up witht that????

What makes him so special? (besides all his usual wonderfulness, I mean)

:DJack:D

it means I'm your friend. literally.
 

lkwdblds

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I'll answer all your questions in 24 hours!

Lakey, how is Johnny Raff doing. No new posts from him. Is he doing well? Mickey reminded me of his absence.:p

Hats! My previous primary link to Johnny Raff, Blue Spirit, is no longer in comm with me or the Apollo '73 thread. We wish him the best! I imagine Johnny is still auditing him.

I got a surprise phone call from Johnnyl about 10 days ago where we chatted a bit. He wanted to make sure I was not ARC broke with him. I do not know why he thought that might be the case, but that silly notion was quickly dispelled. The only thing I could thing of was that I declined to sign up with that pyramid scheme which involved Kevin Trudeau. It required a $1,000 initial payment and follow up payments of $150 a month for several months. I declined to get involved, much to Blue's dissatisfaction. Blue really wanted me to join that pyramid but I staunchly refused.

I do know that Blue's intention has been for a long time that he get his case up to a certain level and then quit posting on ESMB. I have also been told by Blue that Johnny will only post on ESMB when it aligns with him promoting his WonderWorld project. Blue told me that and not Johnny but I am pretty sure it is true. Johnny avoided venues such as this but Blue convinced him to post here for promotional reasons. When Johnny first started posting here, I believe he loved it and really got the bug and was doing it for enjoyment for awhile, just like many of us. Still, as much fun as he had, ESMB was never going to be one of his top priorities. Its amazing, I can really pick up on his thoughts and intentions and everytime I have done so, when I check with him, he tells me I am correct. Of course, that is his standard m.o., that all of us are always right or correct.

What I am getting right now is that he is busy on other matters. He will return here and make more posts before too long. He is not going to leave us high and dry. If he were, he would give us a formal good bye and tell us how to stay in touch. One thing about Johnny is that I don't feel that he conceals things from others' minds. His goings on are out there to be picked up on if one wants to do it. He's an open book, not hiding anything as am I, and it is very easy to pick up on what he is doing.

TOMORROW WILL BE A REALITY CHECK - I will get as much info as I can and in particular will tell him that Hats misses his communications. I will report back to this beloved board probably late tomorrow before I go to bed. If I get home late, I will report it on Thursday morning. I'll soon find out how accurate my telepathy line is with him but I fully expect that I will be 100% correct in my speculations made here tonight. Think about it, his basic philosophy is that each of us is always right so how could my speculations tonight not be right?
Lakey
 
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