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Thankyou! Thankyou!
I think possibly that if you could locate the main second dynamic engram a person was motivating from or trying to prevent from ever happening again you could bring some sanity back to many. Kind of Power Processes for the 2nd Dynamic. :wink2:
Face is right in saying women are recovering from centuries of oppression. That is more of a 'cult of women' engram. Something recorded in the group mind of the akasha belonging to the female identity.
Well said facey.
Perhaps one of my motivations for getting involved with Scientology was that I had been severely overwhelmed in life and any effort to fight back would've resulted in certain harm. I was sitting in powerlessness. This emotional wound is probably something I brought along with me into this life and into the family I was born into. My father was Calabraise and brought the tradition of invalidating and subjugating women with him when he married my mother. I was quickly given to understand that everything took second or third place to the 'flashing lights'. I was fast to adopt an attitude of extreme prejudice against that 'way' of being in the world. To hell with the future, to hell with the offspring. Validation of oneself was never so sweet as when gotten thru sex. I observed it being used as a JUSTIFICATION by mom
I had noticed this extreme hurt in a lot of young women who had turned to same sex partners. I never regarded this as a hormonal situation where they really were 'gay'. I thought they were just deeply deeply psychically wounded. As if observing what had been sacrificed to the 2D was so over the top that there was a decision not to grant it any credence any more. It wasn't until later in life that I realized I was wrong about this reality. I am straight.
The bigger the ego the more empowerment issues are motivators.
It takes CHARACTER to not take advantage of opportunities presented in a vulnerable/inviting human being to experience your own power. I believe we are naturally inclined to spot fertile ground on which to act out our pet dramas to a point of evanescence within ourselves. We want to neutralize our angst in a completed cycle of action and an acknowledgment.
The second dynamic has so much insanity. It is a feast of role playing. It is not always rational. We all have our love map. Women will continually think a certain type is her man, and men will have a certain imprinted 'love type' they follow consciously or not.
I know in my life I have often allowed myself to be scripted to any way the dominant male wanted to create me as being. Now I am super sensitive to what beingness is being projected on me via their filters. There is such a wild wild diversity of what attributes men will choose to endow a woman with. Total arbitraries. Phenomenally diverse, and saying much about where they are. This is where you find out about one's character. What role we will pigeonhole another in so as to 'have' some idea or other about ourselves. All arbitraries.
To make something of someone or nothing of someone is a choice.
My two cents to include in this brief lonely hearts club section of our thread.
That above is quite brilliant, Hats.
Folks do project onto others and create them "as" whatever it is their own case demands.
It takes a strong and sane person to remain free from and not be affected by it.
Too many people, in actuality, sabotage themselves by trying to be "acceptable." They, of course, are in actuality too weak as Beings to maintain own integrity and, as whores, "be acceptable."
It is also true that many folks are simply not aware that they are being "created as" . . . it is simply the usual for them to be molded and pushed about like a ping-pong ball.
Rog
Thankyou! Thankyou!
I think possibly that if you could locate the main second dynamic engram a person was motivating from or trying to prevent from ever happening again you could bring some sanity back to many. Kind of Power Processes for the 2nd Dynamic. :wink2:
Face is right in saying women are recovering from centuries of oppression. That is more of a 'cult of women' engram. Something recorded in the group mind of the akasha belonging to the female identity.
Well said facey.
Perhaps one of my motivations for getting involved with Scientology was that I had been severely overwhelmed in life and any effort to fight back would've resulted in certain harm. I was sitting in powerlessness. This emotional wound is probably something I brought along with me into this life and into the family I was born into. My father was Calabraise and brought the tradition of invalidating and subjugating women with him when he married my mother. I was quickly given to understand that everything took second or third place to the 'flashing lights'. I was fast to adopt an attitude of extreme prejudice against that 'way' of being in the world. To hell with the future, to hell with the offspring. Validation of oneself was never so sweet as when gotten thru sex. I observed it being used as a JUSTIFICATION by mom
I had noticed this extreme hurt in a lot of young women who had turned to same sex partners. I never regarded this as a hormonal situation where they really were 'gay'. I thought they were just deeply deeply psychically wounded. As if observing what had been sacrificed to the 2D was so over the top that there was a decision not to grant it any credence any more. It wasn't until later in life that I realized I was wrong about this reality. I am straight.
The bigger the ego the more empowerment issues are motivators.
It takes CHARACTER to not take advantage of opportunities presented in a vulnerable/inviting human being to experience your own power. I believe we are naturally inclined to spot fertile ground on which to act out our pet dramas to a point of evanescence within ourselves. We want to neutralize our angst in a completed cycle of action and an acknowledgment.
The second dynamic has so much insanity. It is a feast of role playing. It is not always rational. We all have our love map. Women will continually think a certain type is her man, and men will have a certain imprinted 'love type' they follow consciously or not.
I know in my life I have often allowed myself to be scripted to any way the dominant male wanted to create me as being. Now I am super sensitive to what beingness is being projected on me via their filters. There is such a wild wild diversity of what attributes men will choose to endow a woman with. Total arbitraries. Phenomenally diverse, and saying much about where they are. This is where you find out about one's character. What role we will pigeonhole another in so as to 'have' some idea or other about ourselves. All arbitraries.
To make something of someone or nothing of someone is a choice.
My two cents to include in this brief lonely hearts club section of our thread.
"I have to give the best possible advice I can give. "
Not that you asked.....but......
Oh, boy ! I have dear men friends that are long married to a woman I'd not make it day with. And dear women friends that are long married to men I can't believe they would have ever gone out on a date with. And lord knows many people wonder why my wife could have ever even talked to me way back when.
And, to me, that is how relationships are. And how is that ? Highly unique !
I do know a relationship takes ( and I stole this from where I forgot ) one "no" to cease.
Like most men, I do appreciate physical beauty. And I have long said that physical beauty is 2 % of the whole package while who is home is 98% of the package. And I can tell you some of the women I really really love never won a beauty contest 'back in day' or last week.
My specific little things I like to do? ( and I stole all these from different people and places along the way )
I always feel like my wife has always been better to me than I have to her so I'm always looking for an opportunity to do something to catch up a little.
Her tolerance for a suprise is high, so I like to do things to suprise her - be it fresh flowers, a trip up into the mountains, or a trip away.
I do my best to pay attention to what she likes and do my best to present it to her.
For us Xscn, to me, most aspects of a relationship are like accessing a list...go to what is reading and handle it.
And on 'hooking up'? Hard to put in words but sometimes a person is not really visible to another person. Doesn't matter what one does to get the attention of the other person it just isn't going to happen. Not a matter of 'like' or 'dislike' as it is a matter of being visible as a being to another where they are. That is my opinion.
On "hooking up", I was chasing her so hard I didn't notice she was chasing me. She was chasing me so hard she didn't notice I was chasing her. Once we paid attention to the obvious -LOL! - we got married. Those watching the "chase" thought it was pretty funny
But, hey, I've had so many people say my relationship with my wife ( and hers with me ) is magic because they don't see us doing anything to "work" on it.
And as another poster so beautifully said in words to the effect of " In the same room if she is reading a book and I'm on my 'puter, we are making love".
But I surely wouldn't want to even begin to tell someone else what they "ought" to do to find, begin, or maintain any relationship.
If people ask I do suggest they spend as much time planning their relationship as they do the wedding, ( Stole that, too.)
I'm spent. I just wanted to skate around the idea that sometimes BPC seems almost to be imbued with a life of its own. (anima ferocima)
It's as if some folks 'emit' bodies of thought intended for encapsulating another towards the purpose of being one role so they can be the respective one. ( uh, like witchcraft) We sometimes need to grind our axe against something to polish out all the corrosion. Others don't always accomodate with an invitation for themselves to be the stone so you can smooth out your issues to a flat point. But sometimes they do 
I'm spent. I just wanted to skate around the idea that sometimes BPC seems almost to be imbued with a life of its own. (anima ferocima)
I like your first sentence, I can relate to that phenomena. It is an original look at what as going on. That's you Hats, capable of speculating on something going on that is not necessarily already written up by LRH, AW or others!
For instances....
I had a boyfriend who was volatile when he was drunk. No future. I needed to just run him off. However I did not want to be the loser who was going to be solo again. My postulate for his future was that everyone see how obvious it was that he messed up. An old girlfriend of his who was much older and wanted to take him appeared. She woulda put him back on the winning side of the ledger. I Q and A'd until she was gone. Then I let him go.
Many people getting a divorce are petrified that the other is going to flourish and prosper like never before once the clinging albatross is off the neck. Some engineer things with quite some strong intention... projecting their goals for each another's future malaise on the time track. When love goes wrong....
Not me! I still love my ex wife and worked very hard helping her get the best possible new 2D. I knew of all the men she was dating and counciled with her in selecting the best man. I am proud of my performance in that arena!!
Its the theory of relativity. Amongst sisters who hasn't postulated that the other's husband would not end up being the only 'hero' around.Or that the younger sister would not marry first.
That the old girlfriend who dumped you would be depressed and overweight with tons of kids by the 10th class reuinion.
These are like evil envisionments on the second dynamic that get anchored by anger and loss. Relationships can be treacherous ground. The more intimate they are the more suseptible to the 'spells' or curses the other wishes on you.
OK...now I'm spent. (Of course I jest.) So don't take me seriously.
(I know the majority of us are on very good terms with all of our exes... Seriously )
