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Enthetan

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On my cable provider for the last month, they were showing a lot of old James Bond movies. Sean Connery illustrates what I'm talking about (and yes, I know it's a scripted movie, but bear with me). He projects an attitude of "Yes I'm interested in you and would very much like to see you. I'm not at all concerned if you turn me down because there will be another woman at least as cute as you appearing on my radar somewhere in the next three minutes if I'm not already busy with you".

He never comes across as NEEDING any particular woman. If he doesn't have a woman to keep him company at any particular time, he's got lots of stuff to keep him busy (like saving the world). I'm reminded of Billy Joel's "She's always a woman to me", but with the genders reversed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4nQB3V10i8
 

Ted

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The tragedy of beautiful women is that physical beauty does not last. They go through their teens and twenties with every guy desiring them, wanting to talk to them, and enjoying being in their space. Then they get into middle-age, the attractiveness starts to fade, they gain a few pounds, and get very depressed.



That they do, but these are considerations that some women impose on themselves.

Many women in their 40s and 50s are very hot.
 

FoTi

Crusader
I'm spent. I just wanted to skate around the idea that sometimes BPC seems almost to be imbued with a life of its own. (anima ferocima) :p It's as if some folks 'emit' bodies of thought intended for encapsulating another towards the purpose of being one role so they can be the respective one. ( uh, like witchcraft) We sometimes need to grind our axe against something to polish out all the corrosion. Others don't always accomodate with an invitation for themselves to be the stone so you can smooth out your issues to a flat point. But sometimes they do :p

For instances....

I had a boyfriend who was volatile when he was drunk. No future. I needed to just run him off. However I did not want to be the loser who was going to be solo again. My postulate for his future was that everyone see how obvious it was that he messed up. An old girlfriend of his who was much older and wanted to take him appeared. She woulda put him back on the winning side of the ledger. I Q and A'd until she was gone. Then I let him go.

Many people getting a divorce are petrified that the other is going to flourish and prosper like never before once the clinging albatross is off the neck. Some engineer things with quite some strong intention... projecting their goals for each another's future malaise on the time track. When love goes wrong.... :grouch:

Its the theory of relativity.

Amongst sisters who hasn't postulated that the other's husband would not end up being the only 'hero' around.
Or that the younger sister would not marry first.

That the old girlfriend who dumped you would be depressed and overweight with tons of kids by the 10th class reuinion.
These are like evil envisionments on the second dynamic that get anchored by anger and loss. Relationships can be treacherous ground. The more intimate they are the more suseptible to the 'spells' or curses the other wishes on you.:omg:
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OK...now I'm spent. (Of course I jest.) So don't take me seriously. :spitcoffee:
(I know the majority of us are on very good terms with all of our exes... Seriously )

This is even more interesting. Keep talking...er...writing. Very helpful. :yes:
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Quotes from Purple Haze yesterday

I had a phone call with Candy Swanson aka Purple Haze yesterday where she cleared up some points which I did not fully understand plus she gave me some additional new data: To Wit:

She wants me to forgive her for being so blunt to me on ESMB. (This was in refering to posts she made a day or so commenting on posts I had made.)

Of course, I "forgave" her over the phone.

CANDY RELATES A STORY TO ME FOR ME TO TELL TO THIS THREAD

She had a time limit of 30 days before moving to Moss Beach. She trtained with the Flying Dutchman Company at the Burbank airport in 1973. After only 40.3 hours flying time she obtained her private pilots license for life.

On the name Swanson, Purple stated that at Ellis Island in New York, where immigrants entered the USA in days past, many Swedish names were just converted to Swanson, Swenson or Svenson. (For this reason, it is difficult for someone with one these 3 names to know who they are related to.)
Lakey
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
On my cable provider for the last month, they were showing a lot of old James Bond movies. Sean Connery illustrates what I'm talking about (and yes, I know it's a scripted movie, but bear with me). He projects an attitude of "Yes I'm interested in you and would very much like to see you. I'm not at all concerned if you turn me down because there will be another woman at least as cute as you appearing on my radar somewhere in the next three minutes if I'm not already busy with you".

He never comes across as NEEDING any particular woman. If he doesn't have a woman to keep him company at any particular time, he's got lots of stuff to keep him busy (like saving the world). I'm reminded of Billy Joel's "She's always a woman to me", but with the genders reversed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4nQB3V10i8
Loved that vid. Love that song. Thanks

From Allthelyrics.com

She can kill with a smile
She can wound with her eyes
And she can ruin your faith with her casual lies
And she only reveals what she wants you to see
She hides like a child
But she's always a woman to me

She can lead you to love
She can take you or leave you
She can ask for the truth
But she'll never believe
And she'll take what you give her as long as it's free
Yeah, she steals like a thief but she's always a woman to me

Oh, she takes care of herself
She can wait if she wants
She's ahead of her time
Oh, and she never gives out
And she never gives in
She just changes her mind

And she'll promise you more
Than the Garden of Eden
Then she'll carelessly cut you
And laugh while you're bleedin'
But she'll bring out the best
And the worst you can be
Blame it all on yourself
Cause she's always a woman to me

Oh, she takes care of herself
She can wait if she wants
She's ahead of her time
Oh, and she never gives out
And she never gives in
She just changes her mind

She is frequently kind
And she's suddenly cruel
But she can do as she pleases
She's nobody's fool
And she can't be convicted
She's earned her degree
And the most she will do
Is throw shadows at you
But she's always a woman to me
 
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Karl Rove's Flameout


Matt Latimer – Fri Oct 22, 1:12 am ET
NEW YORK – The GOP guru’s campaign cash binge this fall is the last gasp of a guy with rich friends. Ex-Bush aide Matt Latimer on how Rove hurt his boss, and why the right thinks he’s a fraud.

Political types tend to get suspicious when those on one side of the spectrum suddenly start complimenting their supposed worst enemies—the equivalent of Seinfeld hosting a testimonial for Newman or Eliot Ness carpooling with Al Capone.

Yet in the past few weeks, the White House and even The New York Times have done exactly that—heaping praise on their longtime nemesis, Karl Rove, and his protégé, Ed Gillespie.

“These guys are great political operatives,” Obama strategist David Axelrod said, “and they will have an impact in this election.” The Times, meanwhile, extolled Rove as a “master political strategist” who is rebuilding the GOP majority. President Obama and Vice President Biden have done both men the great political favor of calling them out by name—almost ensuring them _WalmartAd_more Republican support and donations.

Unfortunately for the Democrats, this effort comes as an increasing number of conservatives—from Rush to Palin to scores of activists and high-level veterans of the Reagan Revolution—view Rove as part of the GOP’s unfortunate recent past. Indeed, they are even beginning to conclude that the oft-repeated belief that Rove is the savior of the GOP may be one of the biggest political hoaxes in American political history. At best, the man President Bush called “Turdblossom” has had a decidedly mixed record on the national level—losing the popular vote in 2000; barely beating a liberal aristocrat from Massachusetts in 2004; and, with the aid of Gillespie, presiding over the loss of both houses of Congress in 2006, and the White House in 2008. Rove and his crew, one influential conservative put it later, “left a smoking hole where the Republican Party once stood.”

“We screwed up,” says party Chairman Michael Steele. Conservatives were “bamboozled,” says former Texas GOP Chairman Tom Pauken. “Betrayed” and “hijacked,” says veteran conservative activist Richard Viguerie. The administration was a conservative “impostor,” writes commentator Bruce Bartlett. Bush operatives “were afraid of ideas,” Newt Gingrich charges. “Tokyo Rove” was a recent entry on Michelle Malkin’s website.

Rove’s overall tenure, Michelle Malkin once wrote, was a “mark of self-delusion and blindness that has damaged the White House and the Beltway GOP.”

When I arrived in the Bush administration, I, too, had bought into the idea of Karl Rove as super genius. Besides, he was, and remains, an easy person to like—funny, charming, with an encyclopedic knowledge of politics. In an administration that sometimes seemed like a polite Southern cotillion, Rove stood out with his frenetic energy, rather unkempt style, and proud political geekdom—Pig Pen and Dilbert meet Machiavelli. He played practical jokes on other members of the staff, such as moving the car of another senior administration official to a different spot in the West Wing parking lot so that he would believe it was stolen.

As an adviser and gadfly, Rove served a useful purpose. That changed after he was named deputy chief of staff in early 2005 and tried to assume absolute control of, well, practically everything. Once his portfolio was extended from political strategy to policy oversight to personnel, hundreds, if not thousands, of people in the administration in some way reported to him. The results were notorious: the botched Harriet Miers nomination to the Supreme Court (when even conservatives abandoned the administration); the abrupt abandonment of Social Security reform (which was supposed to have been the centerpiece of Bush’s second term), and the failure to get a single major piece of conservative legislation through the Republican-led Congress.
As Bush’s top political strategist, Rove stubbornly insisted that Republicans would hold on to at least one house of Congress during the 2006 midterms, despite all evidence to the contrary. After the debacle, his stock never recovered in the White House.

But it was in personnel that the Rove operation proved most embarrassing for the president. The scandal over the firing of U.S. attorneys, which prompted a years-long congressional investigation, likely would have been a non-issue had it not been for Team Rove’s typically heavy-handed tactics.

Meanwhile, a cadre of young people with thin résumés but fierce loyalty to Rove were given near-unfettered power in departments and agencies, able to thwart experienced Cabinet _WalmartAd_secretaries from hiring consultants, experts, and even their own personal aides. Conservatives seeking jobs in the administration were blocked because they weren’t on an approved White House list. Such tactics needlessly impeded the operation of important Cabinet agencies—such as the Justice Department, the Defense Department, and others—during a time of war. Rove’s overall tenure, Michelle Malkin once wrote, was a "mark of self-delusion and blindness that has damaged the White House and the Beltway GOP."
When my book, Speech*Less: Tales of a White House Survivor, was published last fall, and conservatives learned that I was critical of Rove’s methods, I was privy to an outpouring of new revelations. A prominent national radio host told me that Rove’s operation used petty tactics, such as withdrawing White House invitations from commentators who said things that displeased them. A radio executive said the Bush White House told them explicitly who they were expected to blackball from their airwaves. A well-known Fox News personality said that the Bush-Rove influence was so strong at the network that he is constantly on guard to conceal his differences with them.
This side of the Rove operation—what critics call vengeful, destructive, and petty—was perhaps most vividly on display this year after Christine O’Donnell’s Senate primary victory in Delaware over a liberal Republican favored by Rove. Although no good could come of it since O’Donnell had already triumphed, Rove attacked her anyway—as well as the Delaware voters who defied him—in one of the most instantly infamous temper tantrums ever captured on live television.

The Fox News attack—during which Rove questioned O’Donnell’s mental stability and suggested she wouldn’t receive NRSC support—irreparably damaged Rove with a large segment of the GOP. One of among scores of scornful conservative bloggers quickly dubbed the scene “one of the most jaw-dropping moments in Fox News history.” Most noteworthy to conservatives about the attack on O’Donnell, however, was that Rove most likely agreed with her political views. Nonetheless, he would rather support a liberal Republican (who he likely wouldn’t agree with) simply so the party could potentially grab a thin, mandate-deprived majority in the Senate. The sense of a lack of principles seemed only to be underscored when Rove, under intense fire, backed off his harsh criticisms.

This in essence has always been the Rove political strategy—attaining short-term political victories in lieu of the harder work of articulating a coherent philosophy, and then disparaging anyone standing in his way.

Those who raised questions about Homeland Security legislation recommended by the administration in 2002, instead of being debated on the merits, were labeled as disinterested in keeping the country safe from terrorism. On immigration, opponents of the Bush-Kennedy-McCain-Rove approach were told they didn’t “want to do what was right for America.” Republicans who questioned the Bush strategy in Afghanistan and Iraq were, according to Rove’s allies, “unpatriotic conservatives.”

Rove’s “51 percent approach”—the us-versus-them strategy—was the exact opposite of that pursued by the president Rove says he admires. “Ronald Reagan never started with percentages,” a former high-level Reagan aide critical of Rove recently said. “Reagan started with principles.”

The party still hasn't rinsed itself clean from the Rove-Gillespie approach, as vapid and intellectually lazy as Keeping Up with the Kardashians. The Obamas’ alleged “terrorist fist bump,” the nutty birther movement, the lame controversy over who is wearing an American flag pin on their lapel, and books claiming Obama is “inviting” a terrorist attack—all are legacies of a strategy focused on demonization over debate, tactics over ideas. This approach has disillusioned even Republicans. By the end of the Bush administration, the GOP ranked at the bottom of public-approval polls.

Though a reclusive Bush’s numbers are rebounding, according to some polls, his party’s apparently aren’t. Even as they surge against Democratic candidates for Congress, the Republican Party, according to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released this August, is at its lowest approval rating—ever. Clearly voters haven’t been seduced by a brilliant Rovian strategy this year, but instead simply are intent on sending a message to the Obama Democrats amid a struggling economy with the only available option.

Having helped President Bush leave office as one of the most unpopular presidents in history and the Republican Party hit unprecedented lows, the vaunted Rove operation has not fared much better since, revealing themselves as woefully out of sync with the mood of the GOP base.

In 2009, the Rovians failed to get the Republican National Committee to approve their choice for party chairman—and were widely believed to be behind the retaliatory attacks against the candidate who did win, Michael Steele. This year, Rove urged Republicans to keep their distance from the Tea Party movement, undoubtedly because Tea Party organizers have made no secret of their intent to push aside Rove and others in the GOP establishment. Again, the party has ignored his advice. According to a recent poll, an astonishing 71 percent of GOPers express affinity with the Tea Partiers. (The remaining 29 percent, one presumes, is sulking with Rove and Gillespie at Morton’s Steakhouse.)

In primaries this year, Republican voters in Alaska, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Nevada, and Utah, have rejected—en masse—the candidates preferred by the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which Rove is said to informally advise. The Conservative Party candidate Tom Tancredo—a known enemy of Rove—is trouncing the GOP-backed candidate in the race for governor of Colorado.

But the most obvious repudiation of Rove this year has taken place in his home state of Texas, where Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (supported by Rove and the Bush family) sought to unseat the more conservative governor of Texas, Rick Perry. In a primary contest cast in some quarters as a battle between a Rove acolyte and a Rove enemy (he and Gov. Perry had a well-chronicled falling out), the once-popular Hutchison floundered so badly that she didn't even get a respectable enough margin to qualify for a runoff.

Rove, of course, still has his advocates, and a powerful reach. His longtime deputy, Barry Jackson, is a top official for House Minority Leader John Boehner; William McGurn, a confidant from the Bush years, is not only a Wall Street Journal columnist but a high-level aide to Rupert Murdoch, giving Rove an ally in the executive offices of Fox News. Dana Perino, a Fox News contributor, is similarly a close friend. And Steve Schmidt, who ran the McCain campaign in 2008, is a Rove protégé.

Rove also has access to a few major donors from the Bush years. The fact that his new political organization, Crossroads, is almost wholly dependent on those millionaires proves that his is not a grassroots awakening. Reportedly the largest Rove donor is Texas billionaire Bob Perry, a longtime associate who funded the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that seriously hobbled Senator John Kerry’s presidential bid in 2004. Rove always has denied having a role in the Swift Boat attacks.

Among journalists, the influential columnist Mike Allen of Politico is widely known to be a reliable bulletin board for Rove’s interests and activities.

But even this impressive reach might not save Rove. If a new wave of conservatives washes ashore in Washington after this election, there is every indication that Rove and his friends, instead of basking in credit, may need to grab a life raft of their own.

Matt Latimer is the author of The New York Times bestseller, Speechless: Tales of a White House Survivor. He was deputy director of speechwriting for George W. Bush and chief speechwriter for Donald Rumsfeld.

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Terril park

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Thank you Terril, my friend...I'd love for Sharone and Janis to comment and dialogue here...that would be great. I've read most of Sharone's posts on this board, as well as Janis' here and other places.

Let's get specific about back "then", Terril. The "correctness" of your post depends largely on what era you're talking about...except for the "utilizing" thing. IMO, they were exploited along with their parents.

Are you talking '67-'69 or '70-'72 or '73-'75? What years are you, or your source, talking about? A girl that was 8 or 9 years old in '68 or '69 was 15 or 16 years old in '74-'75. Plus, there were other adolescents and teenagers added to the crew during all those years. I know what I saw...I know what others saw...it's all over the boards.

I am in no way denigrating or defiling the experience and viewpoint of these now adult children. I’d love to hear their “take” on this ‘cause I was there, I was one of the adult male crew members. I was on El Ron’s personal “lines”, I was one of the “MUD” Decks folks (Midships Upper Decks). My story is mine and their story is theirs. Let ‘er buck.:yes:

Face:)

My memory is usually pretty OK , well when I can actually remember something.Lol! Pretty sure Sharone who has no liking for LRH refuted the halter top etc image. PM them both and report back?
 

Terril park

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I think the disparities may come from different parties being there for different periods in the saga. The scene in the first few years may not have been the scene in the later years.

Sharone and Janis were put in a ships hold together on the apollo. I
don't know the date.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
My memory is usually pretty OK , well when I can actually remember something.Lol! Pretty sure Sharone who has no liking for LRH refuted the halter top etc image. PM them both and report back?

Sharone was gone from Flag before the halter top era. Janis was there. The messengers had different uniforms that changed with weather and port conditions and as they got older.

By the time we got to the Caribbean, where the weather was very hot year round and the messengers were early to late teens, the uniforms were scant, fitted and tight. They also wore the hot pants with white shirt-type blouses that had tails that were tied up above the midriffs (I don’t know what the correct fashion term is for that type of garb). When they wore pants they were not baggy sailor pants…they were tight, fitted and usually sheer.

If you want to PM them then go ahead. I wouldn't bother Sharone...like I said, she was gone by that era. I rarely, rarely do PM’s and this is your issue, not mine. Like I told you, I was there and I saw what I saw. So, I’m either a liar or have delusional memory or am telling the truth.

Cheers Terril.:thumbsup:

Face:)
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Sharone was gone from Flag before the halter top era. Janis was there. The messengers had different uniforms that changed with weather and port conditions and as they got older.

By the time we got to the Caribbean, where the weather was very hot year round and the messengers were early to late teens, the uniforms were scant, fitted and tight. They also wore the hot pants with white shirt-type blouses that had tails that were tied up above the midriffs (I don’t know what the correct fashion term is for that type of garb). When they wore pants they were not baggy sailor pants…they were tight, fitted and usually sheer.

If you want to PM them then go ahead. I wouldn't bother Sharone...like I said, she was gone by that era. I rarely, rarely do PM’s and this is your issue, not mine. Like I told you, I was there and I saw what I saw. So, I’m either a liar or have delusional memory or am telling the truth.

Cheers Terril.:thumbsup:

Face:)

Validates my memory. :)
 

Leon

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm not going to wade into the discusion of Lakey's troubles on the 2-D. But I want to comment a tad on that thing of a person's body being his entire case. The statement is true but needs to be understood in context. It certainly has nothing to do with one's physical beauty or lack thereof.

From the start of this universe all the way down there is one common thread to everything a thetan has done wrong - it is that he continually substituted for himself with a creation of his. Whenever something went wrong he'd say 'it wasn't me, it was . . . '. And that . . . was always used as a substitute for himself. The more he assigned responsibility to it the more he became it. All the way down to today were it takes some major ex[periences to convince a guy that he is really not is body, for the body is the fashionable substitute at present. His body is his case.

As an aside, the most aberrated people I have audited, bar none, were all very beautiful people. Startlingly so. There can be no greater curse than to wish someone a really beautiful body which gets admired and desired by all. This totally pins them to the body with aesthetic bands and makes case gain almost unattainable, since in a very real sense they are continuously mixing practices and so are resistive cases, per definition.

A solution that works is the worst "solution" of all.


FoTi - I'm not quite sure how to make it more simple but I'll have a go at it.

Your body is a substitute for you as a thetan. It's what you present to the world as "me". It's what you identify yourself with in life, which is why it is portrayed on your passport as your "identity".

Your bank is something you set up to do things automatically for you - keep you out of danger and so on. In so far as it does that it is a substitute for you too.

A valence is a subsitute identity for one's own. A Service Fac is a beingness one has adopted to serve oneself.

And so one can go up the line of the components of this universe and each one can be shown to be a substitute for you. Each dynamic, all the way. Though explaining it in simple terms is not easy, one does become aware of it as one goes up.

= = =

What I wrote about beautiful people being the most aberrated in my experience - I was actually referring to some males I audited. Male models who really were breath-takingly good looking. Girls would literally queue up to be shagged by them. And their attention was totally stuck on themselves. Each one was the cult he was totally devoted to.


Hope this helps a bit,
 
Kiva Expands Microlending Reach to U.S. Businesses

By SARAH E. NEEDLEMAN

Kiva, a nonprofit known for helping foreign entrepreneurs receive microloans, is working to broaden its reach to struggling small businesses along the U.S. Gulf Coast.

Earlier this week, the San Francisco-based group signed a partnership with Accion Texas-Louisiana, a microfinancing organization that provides loans to start-ups and existing businesses in Texas and Louisiana. It's the third such institution in the U.S. that Kiva has partnered with in the past year.

"Awareness of microfinance is really low here," says Premal Shah, president of Kiva. The organization's website features a directory of 400,000 entrepreneurs around the world seeking microloans, of which less than 1% are based in the U.S.

Microloans are small loans generally available for businesses that don't qualify for traditional loans or other investments. Loan amounts typically fall under $35,000, and as little as hundreds of dollars in some developing nations.

Visitors to Kiva.org can send money through the site to any of the entrepreneurs listed on it. Kiva then passes that money onto its microfinancing partners who work directly with those entrepreneurs. Loans to U.S. businesses average $7,000, include a low interest rate, and are valid for about 10 months, says Mr. Shah.
[SBmicro] Lance Cheung

Bernard McGraw turned to microfinance for his restaurant, Bernard's Creole Kitchen.

Bernard McGraw received a $4,000 microloan from Accion Texas-Louisiana earlier this month for his San Antonio, Texas, restaurant, Bernard's Creole Kitchen, which he launched in 2006. The eatery had outgrown its original location, and though Mr. McGraw found an affordable alternative, he didn't have enough money to hire employees and buy the equipment he needed to succeed in it, such as an industrial-size refrigerator.

Mr. McGraw says his bank refused to loan him the money he needed, suggesting he seek out microfunding instead. When he contacted Accion, he says a representative for the organization and another for Kiva walked him through the application process, which took about two hours to complete. When he received word that he was approved just a few days later, "I was floored," says Mr. McGraw. "I was not expecting that at all."

Kiva, which recently received a million-dollar grant from Visa Inc., has helped entrepreneurs around the globe obtain more than $150 million in microloans since its inception in 2005. It's one of several so-called "crowdfunding" sites that have cropped up in recent years to help entrepreneurs raise money, including KickStarter and IndieGoGo.

Write to Sarah E. Needleman at [email protected]

There I was, enthralled with the ins and outs of Lakey's dirty laundary, and Lavinda and Candy, and The ex's boyfriend's attempt to get the ex in the sack...or to hold hands, or something, and reaching and withdrawing and how to "lead" and riveted by Leon's revelation of the superiority of the fuglies over those poor beautiful people who can never make case gain due to the scourge of looking fabulous, but cannot work out how this post relates.
Lakey, or Leon? can you use your creative powers to work this into the narrative(s).

I liked that post by Hatty.
 

FoTi

Crusader
I'm not going to wade into the discusion of Lakey's troubles on the 2-D. But I want to comment a tad on that thing of a person's body being his entire case. The statement is true but needs to be understood in context. It certainly has nothing to do with one's physical beauty or lack thereof.

From the start of this universe all the way down there is one common thread to everything a thetan has done wrong - it is that he continually substituted for himself with a creation of his. Whenever something went wrong he'd say 'it wasn't me, it was . . . '. And that . . . was always used as a substitute for himself. The more he assigned responsibility to it the more he became it. All the way down to today were it takes some major ex[periences to convince a guy that he is really not is body, for the body is the fashionable substitute at present. His body is his case.

As an aside, the most aberrated people I have audited, bar none, were all very beautiful people. Startlingly so. There can be no greater curse than to wish someone a really beautiful body which gets admired and desired by all. This totally pins them to the body with aesthetic bands and makes case gain almost unattainable, since in a very real sense they are continuously mixing practices and so are resistive cases, per definition.

A solution that works is the worst "solution" of all.

I guess I don't get this because I don't think I'm my body. My body is something different, so I don't see how it's a substitute for me. And I don't see how my body is my case.....that also seems something different.

What are aesthetic bands?

And how to they make case gain almost unattainable?

How are they mixing practices because they have a beautiful body?

I can't make sense out of "A solution that works in the worst "solution" of all. Why is it the worst "solution" if it works?

FoTi - I'm not quite sure how to make it more simple but I'll have a go at it.

Your body is a substitute for you as a thetan. It's what you present to the world as "me". It's what you identify yourself with in life, which is why it is portrayed on your passport as your "identity".

Your bank is something you set up to do things automatically for you - keep you out of danger and so on. In so far as it does that it is a substitute for you too.

A valence is a subsitute identity for one's own. A Service Fac is a beingness one has adopted to serve oneself.

And so one can go up the line of the components of this universe and each one can be shown to be a substitute for you. Each dynamic, all the way. Though explaining it in simple terms is not easy, one does become aware of it as one goes up.

= = =

What I wrote about beautiful people being the most aberrated in my experience - I was actually referring to some males I audited. Male models who really were breath-takingly good looking. Girls would literally queue up to be shagged by them. And their attention was totally stuck on themselves. Each one was the cult he was totally devoted to.


Hope this helps a bit,

Okay. Thanks.
 

dexter gelfand

Patron Meritorious
Training at Miami org, 1981-2 part III- my favorite auditing story

So there I was, escaping the New York City winter weather since fall 1981, and through the winter 1981-2, in sunny Miami. My org's ED sent me a message asking how soon I'd be back, and I told him to let me know when the weather got warm up there:).

It was the middle of March, and per tradition there was the March 13 "Ron's Birthday event". As it was ending, I was standing around in the parking lot behind the main org building shooting the breeze with a group of TTC students and interns when a woman approached us in a somewhat frenzied state. She gave her name (I won't disclose it here), identified herself as OSA staff (OSA was very new and largely undefined for most of us) and explained that she was seriously sick and needed help of an auditing nature, and that she was on the confidential Key to Life Course, and so any handling had to be done through the KTL Case Supervisor. She was in a panic, and nobody knew what to say to her.

Observing that this woman needed not only help but some immediate reassurance, I took control of the situation. I asked her which dorm room she was staying in and told her to go lie down there, and I would meet her there shortly to help her. Somewhat relieved, she went on her way. One of my circle asked me what I was going to do, and I truthfully answered "I have no idea, but I'll figure it out".

I sought out a staff member who could immediately get a message from me to the KTL C/S, who in turn quickly sent out to me an emergency assist program to run on this woman. I looked it over and headed to the woman's room, with the rest of the circle of students and interns tagging along.

With the others hanging back in the far section of the dorm, I had a brief conversation with my PC and commenced with the program. I don't recall what the assist process was, but it grinded and grinded, without producing any sort of change, and after a little while I just bridged over to the next process, which was a touch assist.

This woman was very sick, very weak, in much pain, dizziness and discomfort. As the assist went on through the night, there were frequent originations from her that she was just about to die, that she was dropping the body there and then. Fortunately, from the very beginning of my training I was a very confident auditor, and I knew it was important for my PC's to exude that confidence, and it served me well in this situation. I calmly and firmly coaxed her to "stay with me, we've got a little more to do, this body is save-able", and it required that she do her part and carry on with the process. (Honestly, I couldn't tell you why it never entered my mind that she might belong in an emergency room, other than supreme confidence that I would successfully get her through whatever this was).

My PC did stay with me, and we ran a very long touch assist, which ran past midnight, from March 13th, "Ron's birthday", to March 14th, which just happens to be "Dex's birthday". 9but for some reason, I don't recall there being any "Dex's Birthday events":D

Eventually, she brightened up, smiled, very relieved and told me she felt much better. She sure did look like she felt much better. She sat up, then stood up, looking quite chipper. The next day she found me, and smiling told me she'd been to a doctor and found that she'd had a kidney infection, and thankfully expressed "That was very OT of you".:)

I had actually, some time earlier, come across the idea of saving a life with auditing, and I'd decided I really wanted to do that. I do believe that at this time and place, I accomplished that goal.:)

Love, Dex
 

Leon

Gold Meritorious Patron
I guess I don't get this because I don't think I'm my body. My body is something different, so I don't see how it's a substitute for me. And I don't see how my body is my case.....that also seems something different.

OK. So you have handled in yourself that level of identification with an object that most other people have not yet handled. You are then not using your body as a complete substitute for self in the way that others are. Likely this will happen on a gradient though, for e.g. do you still use your body'e eyes to see things? ears? do you need food for an energy source to keep you "alive"? These are all gradient steps to take that will eventually be part of your past history.

What are aesthetic bands?

This is the sizzle that keeps you stuck on the mest product. A girl, let's say, wants to feel elegant and sauve and so wants a fur coat and a diamond ring which "gives" her that feeling. Guys when their 2D gets a bit out of kilter succumb to the "aesthetic" beauty of naked female bodies.

And how to they make case gain almost unattainable?

How are they mixing practices because they have a beautiful body?

They are so hooked on their own successes in being beautiful via the body they have that cling onto it for dear life. Their growing old becomes an unsolvable ARC break - every time an ageing beauty looks in the mirror he is ARC broken all over again. It becomes a "must have/can't have" situation of unimagineablle proportions. They must be beautiful because it was the source of all teir success yet by growing old they can no longer have that beauty yet they must have it yet the haven't. . . . Try an audit over the top of that.

I can't make sense out of "A solution that works in the worst "solution" of all. Why is it the worst "solution" if it works?

Well a "solution" to the above scenario would be to get one's beauty restored with plastic surgery or sheep-foetus injections or to die and pick up another beautiful body or whatever. Make-up and paint on one's face I suppose. The most "successful" of these solutions would really just entrench the original peoblem even further.

This is why Grade One auditing requires that the problem should vanish for the preclear. The entire adherence to bodily beauty should disappear comletely. If the process gets abandoend when the preclear comes up with a "solution" which F?Ns and gives the preclear VGIs then that process is NOT flat. It needs to be run until the problem vanishes.

All problems that a person has will be found to be the result of past solutions that appeared to work at the time but which did not make the problem vanish. Give a beggar money - does that get him out of being a beggar? No it doesn't. He'll be back the next day. One has to get into his case deeper and dig up something like a pair of postulates saying "I'm useless, Help me". Or something like that. When that gets sorted out he'll be on his way to betterment.


Okay. Thanks.

My pleasure ma'am.
 

dexter gelfand

Patron Meritorious
Thanks!

This is the sizzle that keeps you stuck on the mest product. A girl, let's say, wants to feel elegant and sauve and so wants a fur coat and a diamond ring which "gives" her that feeling. Guys when their 2D gets a bit out of kilter succumb to the "aesthetic" beauty of naked female bodies.

Hey Leon, thanks for sharing such enlightening information!:thumbsup: The timing is interesting for me- just after I've started reading Scn 8-80, the section in which aesthetic waves are explained as the connecting point between the thetan and the more course energies of facsimiles containing thought, emotion and effort. I have very early experience with this type of processing, and it has great relevance for me.

Love, Dex
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
So there I was, escaping the New York City winter weather since fall 1981
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I had actually, some time earlier, come across the idea of saving a life with auditing, and I'd decided I really wanted to do that. I do believe that at this time and place, I accomplished that goal.:)

Love, Dex
Well done, Dex. :thumbsup:
 
So there I was, escaping the New York City winter weather since fall 1981, and through the winter 1981-2, in sunny Miami. My org's ED sent me a message asking how soon I'd be back, and I told him to let me know when the weather got warm up there:).

It was the middle of March, and per tradition there was the March 13 "Ron's Birthday event". As it was ending, I was standing around in the parking lot behind the main org building shooting the breeze with a group of TTC students and interns when a woman approached us in a somewhat frenzied state. She gave her name (I won't disclose it here), identified herself as OSA staff (OSA was very new and largely undefined for most of us) and explained that she was seriously sick and needed help of an auditing nature, and that she was on the confidential Key to Life Course, and so any handling had to be done through the KTL Case Supervisor. She was in a panic, and nobody knew what to say to her.

Observing that this woman needed not only help but some immediate reassurance, I took control of the situation. I asked her which dorm room she was staying in and told her to go lie down there, and I would meet her there shortly to help her. Somewhat relieved, she went on her way. One of my circle asked me what I was going to do, and I truthfully answered "I have no idea, but I'll figure it out".

I sought out a staff member who could immediately get a message from me to the KTL C/S, who in turn quickly sent out to me an emergency assist program to run on this woman. I looked it over and headed to the woman's room, with the rest of the circle of students and interns tagging along.

With the others hanging back in the far section of the dorm, I had a brief conversation with my PC and commenced with the program. I don't recall what the assist process was, but it grinded and grinded, without producing any sort of change, and after a little while I just bridged over to the next process, which was a touch assist.

This woman was very sick, very weak, in much pain, dizziness and discomfort. As the assist went on through the night, there were frequent originations from her that she was just about to die, that she was dropping the body there and then. Fortunately, from the very beginning of my training I was a very confident auditor, and I knew it was important for my PC's to exude that confidence, and it served me well in this situation. I calmly and firmly coaxed her to "stay with me, we've got a little more to do, this body is save-able", and it required that she do her part and carry on with the process. (Honestly, I couldn't tell you why it never entered my mind that she might belong in an emergency room, other than supreme confidence that I would successfully get her through whatever this was).

My PC did stay with me, and we ran a very long touch assist, which ran past midnight, from March 13th, "Ron's birthday", to March 14th, which just happens to be "Dex's birthday". 9but for some reason, I don't recall there being any "Dex's Birthday events":D

Eventually, she brightened up, smiled, very relieved and told me she felt much better. She sure did look like she felt much better. She sat up, then stood up, looking quite chipper. The next day she found me, and smiling told me she'd been to a doctor and found that she'd had a kidney infection, and thankfully expressed "That was very OT of you".:)

I had actually, some time earlier, come across the idea of saving a life with auditing, and I'd decided I really wanted to do that. I do believe that at this time and place, I accomplished that goal.:)

Love, Dex
What a cool story. I like happy endings.
 
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