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Connections...

I am a Southerner. :hifive::itstrue::cheers:

Me too - southeast Arkansas. :yes::wink2:

Here is my acknowledgement to everyone posting representations of their universes here :thumbsup::clap:...and my sincere thanks to those special ones who read and acknowledge my offerings. :yes: :biglove::hug:

Lately I've been feelin' intimations of mortality :unsure: maybe I'll go as Oliver Wendell Holmes described the "Deacon's Masterpiece" :coolwink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOHhhwnK6k

After all, all things have their EP! :whistling:
 

Ted

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Me too - southeast Arkansas. :yes::wink2:

Here is my acknowledgement to everyone posting representations of their universes here :thumbsup::clap:...and my sincere thanks to those special ones who read and acknowledge my offerings. :yes: :biglove::hug:

Lately I've been feelin' intimations of mortality :unsure: maybe I'll go as Oliver Wendell Holmes described the "Deacon's Masterpiece" :coolwink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOHhhwnK6k

After all, all things have their EP! :whistling:


Very good, EP! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Lakey - "Playing it Cool"

Do you remember the movie "Cool Hand Luke" where he escapes from the labor camp and sends a postcard to his buddies still in camp showing a picture of him with his arms around some beautiful women. Well here is my version, "Playing it Cool" - Lakey

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If you click on the above picture from Sunday night's Halloween Party. you see all the pictures taken on Lorinda's camera from the party. Near the end of the set you see an extremely beautiful brunette with longer hair. That is Edey's best female friend, Kadriya.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1737800&id=1128087879

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...?pid=1737802&id=1128087879&fbid=1629802821453

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...?pid=1737803&id=1128087879&fbid=1629803341466

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...?pid=1737804&id=1128087879&fbid=1629803861479

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...?pid=1737806&id=1128087879&fbid=1629805141511

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...?pid=1737807&id=1128087879&fbid=1629805821528

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...?pid=1737827&id=1128087879&fbid=1629810021633

There are more pumpkin patch pictures, viewable by clicking on any of the above photos. The Pumpkin Patch photos were taken on Oct 30th and we carved the pumkins at Lorinda's house. Attending were Edey, Lorinda, myself and Kadriya. Edey's friend Kevin showed up later. The party took place the next day on the 31st.

Not too bad a life style for a guy who will be 71 early next month!

Playing it Cool, Lakey
 
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Ted

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More on Help

About those help processes…

This subject came up some years back on alt.clearing. technology. At the time I felt that help was a fine process but support would run deeper. This is how I see it. Let me explain:

Help is a social activity. Help is the classical boy scout walking an old lady across the street. Help is the grocer's bag-boy carrying your purchase out to the car. Help is having a friendly ear to share in your troubles. Help is an hour at the massage therapist. ...

Help is of limited duration, limited effort, limited commitment. Support is also a social activity. Support is more involved than mere help. My own mother supported me. She gave me birth. She fed me when I could not feed myself. She kept me in line when I was too young to be aware of social skills. She clothed me. She with my father kept a roof over my head.

My father supported me. He dragged butt home around five in the afternoon after a long day working construction. No matter how tired he was, he took time to play catch with me and give me coaching and encouragement on my pitching. If I wasn't pitching he would throw me baseballs while I hit and little brother chased the ball down, across the street, in the neighbors' yards.

Support requires a commitment of time, energy, money, love, understanding, and so much more. Help is an in-and-out kind of thing. Support is there for a duration. Sometimes support goes on for a lifetime.

Hubbard spoke of "tight conspiracies" in the Bolivar PL. Pretty much one-sided though it was, he was referencing support. In order to continue to receive support it is necessary to support the supporter, sooner or later, in a way that strengthens the relationship.

Some people complain about "the good old boys" network. The primary complaint is they ~can't get in~. Others complain about Washington elitists. The primary complaint is they ~can't get in~. A lot of business is conducted on the golf course. So how do you build your business if you ~can't get in~ the country club? Like it or not, these and similar groups are support groups. They are not necessarily high-toned, but support as an activity is.

If what I wrote above is true, then what about the bag-boy who drops the groceries; or the boy scout who lets the old lady trip and fall; or the friend who layers their upset onto your own when all you wanted was a chance to get your thoughts straight? These are examples of failed help.

So if help is good, social, and pro-survival, and if support is mo' betta, can there be a level or two above Support?

I would use Hubbard's tone scale for a reference. 2.0 is the demarcation point of survive/succumb. Above 2.0 is greater and greater survival potential. Below 2.0 more and more succumb until death is reached.


..........Support
..........Help

2.0

..........Failed Help

0.0

What might lie below failed help is not important. What might be above Support is important.

Here I would reference Roger's FZ Conference talk where he explains Hubbard's primary error in running GPM's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML6WIIdg8uE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML6WIIdg8uE&feature=related

Co-operate lies above Support. What might lie above that I do not know.


..........Co-operate
..........Support
..........Help

2.0

..........Failed Help

0.0

Both Support and Co-operate can be substituted for Help in the process commands. Basic auditing skills and rules would apply. Pc/clients need to run their own items and interests, not some else's. I suspect the highest levels would automatically run out the lower levels, but I would not count on it.
 

Ted

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The Ten Biggest American Cities That Are Running Out Of Water
Monday, November 1, 2010


By Charles B. Stockdale, Michael B. Sauter, Douglas A. McIntyre

Some parts of the United States have begun to run low on water. [snip...]


The ten cities on this list are the ones with the most acute exposure to problems that could cause large imbalances of water supply and demand. There are a number of metropolitan areas that could face similar problems but their risks are not quite as high. The water problem for U.S. cities is, although it may not be evident, one of the largest issues that faces urban areas over the next ten years.

These are the ten largest cities by population that have the greatest chance of running out of water.

10. Orlando, Fla.

Major Water Supply: Floridan Aquifer
Population (U.S. rank): 235,860 (80th)
Population Growth Rate: 26.8% since 2000
Average annual rainfall: 48.35 in.

North-central Florida, especially Orange County where Orlando is located, has experienced frequent droughts in the last decade. As a consequence, the area has implemented extreme conservation measures, including aggressive water-rationing policies and lawn-watering bans. After the drought and resulting wildfires subsided, however, Orlando faced another problem. As of 2013, Orlando will no longer be able to increase the rate at which it uses water from the Floridan aquifer, the city's main source of fresh water supply. This presents a major problem for city officials: how does the limited water supply continue to meet demand for one of the fastest-growing regions in the state? It is estimated that water usage in the Orlando area will increase from 526 million gallons per day in 1995 to 866 million in 2020. On the city website, the mayor is quoted, saying: "Orlando Utilities Commission water usage trends show Orlando water demand exceeding the supply by approximately 2014 if no action is taken." There are plans in the works to tap the St. John's River for irrigation, and eventually drinking water. Many, however, are skeptical that even this will be enough to meet Orlando's growing demand.


If I were president hellbent on stimulating the economy with borrowed funds, I would build things that had a future return on investment. Desalinization plants would be at the top of my list. I would also build hospitals along the southern border... But that's another subject.
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
About those help processes…

This subject came up some years back on alt.clearing. technology. At the time I felt that help was a fine process but support would run deeper. This is how I see it. Let me explain:

Help is a social activity. Help is the classical boy scout walking an old lady across the street. Help is the grocer's bag-boy carrying your purchase out to the car. Help is having a friendly ear to share in your troubles. Help is an hour at the massage therapist. ...

Help is of limited duration, limited effort, limited commitment. Support is also a social activity. Support is more involved than mere help. My own mother supported me. She gave me birth. She fed me when I could not feed myself. She kept me in line when I was too young to be aware of social skills. She clothed me. She with my father kept a roof over my head.

My father supported me. He dragged butt home around five in the afternoon after a long day working construction. No matter how tired he was, he took time to play catch with me and give me coaching and encouragement on my pitching. If I wasn't pitching he would throw me baseballs while I hit and little brother chased the ball down, across the street, in the neighbors' yards.

Support requires a commitment of time, energy, money, love, understanding, and so much more. Help is an in-and-out kind of thing. Support is there for a duration. Sometimes support goes on for a lifetime.

Hubbard spoke of "tight conspiracies" in the Bolivar PL. Pretty much one-sided though it was, he was referencing support. In order to continue to receive support it is necessary to support the supporter, sooner or later, in a way that strengthens the relationship.

Some people complain about "the good old boys" network. The primary complaint is they ~can't get in~. Others complain about Washington elitists. The primary complaint is they ~can't get in~. A lot of business is conducted on the golf course. So how do you build your business if you ~can't get in~ the country club? Like it or not, these and similar groups are support groups. They are not necessarily high-toned, but support as an activity is.

If what I wrote above is true, then what about the bag-boy who drops the groceries; or the boy scout who lets the old lady trip and fall; or the friend who layers their upset onto your own when all you wanted was a chance to get your thoughts straight? These are examples of failed help.

So if help is good, social, and pro-survival, and if support is mo' betta, can there be a level or two above Support?

I would use Hubbard's tone scale for a reference. 2.0 is the demarcation point of survive/succumb. Above 2.0 is greater and greater survival potential. Below 2.0 more and more succumb until death is reached.


..........Support
..........Help

2.0

..........Failed Help

0.0

What might lie below failed help is not important. What might be above Support is important.

Here I would reference Roger's FZ Conference talk where he explains Hubbard's primary error in running GPM's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML6WIIdg8uE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML6WIIdg8uE&feature=related

Co-operate lies above Support. What might lie above that I do not know.


..........Co-operate
..........Support
..........Help

2.0

..........Failed Help

0.0

Both Support and Co-operate can be substituted for Help in the process commands. Basic auditing skills and rules would apply. Pc/clients need to run their own items and interests, not some else's. I suspect the highest levels would automatically run out the lower levels, but I would not count on it.

This is interesting.

Lately I have noticed many groups where others can't get in. This week I realized there are a helluva lot. We will probably see more as life gets more unpredictable in the US. The minute there's a huge destablization and Big Brother seems like its not going to come through to rescue the general population....look out. Remember the film story of The Five Points.
Well maybe I'm being too pessimistic. Where I live now the townships are ethnically divided and have been for many decades. Surrounding the city is Parma which is nearly all Polish. Then there is Pepper Pike which is Jewish. There is the Ukrainian neighborhood etc, same as when I grew up here. Self reliance was a virtue in these boroughs when I grew up. People looked after their own.
Last month I went scouting for my great grandmother's tomb in a very old cemetery across town. The ethnic clicks were not the only cliques obvious. There were the marble workers. The woodsmen. The servicemen. By the dates you could see that these guilds had taken care of the widows. It became obvious how many adult males died of work related injuries or in war. The inscriptions and fancy decor evidenced that these people belonged to a close knit group. These structures were protective and ensured the members had representation in matters that counted. But it was a far cry from what became big govt methods of representation. The pendulum often swings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcty-Vw77R8
 
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If I were president hellbent on stimulating the economy with borrowed funds, I would build things that had a future return on investment. Desalinization plants would be at the top of my list. I would also build hospitals along the southern border... But that's another subject.

Desalinization REQUIRES "cheap energy". It actually takes a great deal of energy to desalinate.

"Cheap Energy" is the number one problem faced by the developed/developing world. Thus the actual focus on developing "clean energy" technologies.

Nor is it beneficial to build "dirty energy" in the search for "cheap energy" as "dirty energy" is expensive in itself in so many ways and cleaning up the "dirty energy" ain't cheap.


Mark A. Baker
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
Since you have baseball on the mind, this is for you ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feMUZ2cBU8I

<snipped

Mark A. Baker

http://www.shoelessjoejackson.com/about/biography.html

Quotes by Shoeless Joe Jackson

"I felt I was duty-bound under contract to stick with Cleveland, and I can truthfully say, in all my playing days there and everywhere, I never shirked a duty to baseball."
.....
"I ain't afraid to tell the world that it don't take school stuff to help a fella play ball."

I went thru all the google images and he gots shoes on in ever single picture. :confused2:
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Hatshepsut

Crusader
Originally Posted by Ted
About those help processes…

This subject came up some years back on alt.clearing. technology. At the time I felt that help was a fine process but support would run deeper. This is how I see it. Let me explain:

And this is how I saw it:

What I experienced running of lists of valences which represented each of my dynamics was something highly unusual for me. I am a combative sort and always getting at the designs and intentions and modus operandi of the beings / teams I play against. I am not usually the co-operative type. And if I am I do not consider that I am this way. I like a lot of space between myself and 'others'. The HELP that I ran along with the PROBLEMS knocked out various valences I was identified with. I got a sense that I am my universe and that I am orienting from a postion because of problems I choose to focus on or people/things I have a desire to help. :happydance:

Now THIS came as a revelation to me because I have never considered myself a helpful individual as far as my fellow man goes. I have been created by others as a lot of things other than helpful. And to help those others I will remain in the roles ascribed to me. It was touching to find out for myself that the identities I had chosen many times were quite selfless. It had quite often been projected on me that I was selfish. This was an invitation to wear a hat so another could feel more 'virtuous'.

I regarded the valences that composed the entirety of each dynamic. Lo and behold....everything seemed to be a valence. And in fact it was.
I ran the flows of help on a considerable amount of my items until I seemed to unfix from my 'human' perspective. Things started to move. Magically I began giving myself whatever I needed. (The games condition called 'being an individual' went soft. Roles started to loosen up. (a valence can be anything at all) Situations connected to me started to feel more fluid. Everything seemed like it was a flow and not a ridge just a mode of ARC.

Funny, at one point I saw a shoe box on my closet shelf. I looked at the corporate name on the box. In an instant it seemed that even that corporation was a 'being'. Not more or less than 'I'. ( koan__ Does a dog have Buddha nature?) I had no strife, nobody to be better than, and nothing I was not. I have read of states like this 'satori' or whatever but did not anticipate this.
 
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Ted

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And this is how I saw it:

What I experienced running of lists of valences which represented each of my dynamics was something highly unusual for me. I am a combative sort and always getting at the designs and intentions and modus operandi of the beings / teams I play against. I am not usually the co-operative type. [snip]


Congratulations on the win, gain, or whatever you call it.

And, yes, a dog has Buddha nature. Everything has Buddha nature--even a rock. Are you aware of it? That's the question.

I am usually cooperative up to a point. That point is when I am certain of being used or abused or targeted.

On "help," I find it far easier to give than to receive.

On "support," I have had a bunch, still do.

On "co-operation," this is a tough one to crack as I have perceived myself as being far more cooperative than the reciprocal. Yet I know there are dominator types that do not see me as being cooperative at all. We will always butt heads as I have never liked schoolyard bullies, willfully ignorant or discourteous people, and sundry assholes.

As for valences, the older I get the more I see my father in the mirror. Damn! I promised myself I would not be like him. And the friendlier I am, the more I joke and make people smile, the more determined I am to succeed, the more I see myself like my mother.

As for exterior, I have been so far out that there was no longer an out. I am almost always exterior, but not ~that~ exterior. And as you can safely assume, I came back. :wink2:

Here's to continued good auditing both giving and receiving; to continued good philosophizing; clear perceptions; and interesting comrades. :cheers:
 

Ted

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Desalinization REQUIRES "cheap energy". It actually takes a great deal of energy to desalinate.

"Cheap Energy" is the number one problem faced by the developed/developing world. Thus the actual focus on developing "clean energy" technologies.

Nor is it beneficial to build "dirty energy" in the search for "cheap energy" as "dirty energy" is expensive in itself in so many ways and cleaning up the "dirty energy" ain't cheap.


Mark A. Baker


Almost every roof in Florida, Arizona, Nevada, etc. could be covered with solar panels limited only by China's ability to produce them. [sarcasm] Sooner or later we will have to hear talk and see actions of greater organization or we will be having an unannounced, orchestrated population reduction. [not sarcasm] :omg:
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Desalinization REQUIRES "cheap energy". It actually takes a great deal of energy to desalinate.

"Cheap Energy" is the number one problem faced by the developed/developing world. Thus the actual focus on developing "clean energy" technologies.

Nor is it beneficial to build "dirty energy" in the search for "cheap energy" as "dirty energy" is expensive in itself in so many ways and cleaning up the "dirty energy" ain't cheap.


Mark A. Baker

And the least "dirty" energy these days is nuclear (provided we recycle the spent fuel).
 

RogerB

Crusader
And the least "dirty" energy these days is nuclear (provided we recycle the spent fuel).

Actually, the best nuclear fuel is thorium . . . and it was the fuel of the very first commercial nuclear reactor producing electricity.

Problem is, the spent fuel is useless and relatively un-radioactive.

So, the US and its clever Dickies needing a source of fissionable materials for bomb making, killed the idea of thorium reactors and went with uranium . . . and the rest, as they say, is history.

You'd have thought these characters could learn from history and get back to the safe way of doing things??? :no::no: Stuck in a rut, it seems!

Rog
 

RogerB

Crusader
Congratulations on the win, gain, or whatever you call it.

And, yes, a dog has Buddha nature. Everything has Buddha nature--even a rock. Are you aware of it? That's the question.

I am usually cooperative up to a point. That point is when I am certain of being used or abused or targeted.

On "help," I find it far easier to give than to receive.

On "support," I have had a bunch, still do.

On "co-operation," this is a tough one to crack as I have perceived myself as being far more cooperative than the reciprocal. Yet I know there are dominator types that do not see me as being cooperative at all. We will always butt heads as I have never liked schoolyard bullies, willfully ignorant or discourteous people, and sundry assholes.

As for valences, the older I get the more I see my father in the mirror. Damn! I promised myself I would not be like him. And the friendlier I am, the more I joke and make people smile, the more determined I am to succeed, the more I see myself like my mother.

As for exterior, I have been so far out that there was no longer an out. I am almost always exterior, but not ~that~ exterior. And as you can safely assume, I came back. :wink2:

Here's to continued good auditing both giving and receiving; to continued good philosophizing; clear perceptions; and interesting comrades. :cheers:

Catching up, Ted and Hats.

These posts of yours on help as compared to support are rather brilliant.

Ted, did you know that Alan has a Level of Existence on his "Zones" Scale noted as "Help & Support"? (It's dichotomy/negative expression being Destruction.)

Trouble with we humans is that as/when we begin our processing adventure, even when we go define all the words, the words still "read" for us in the colloquial sense we have been used to using them in.

Hence these two key words tend not to be fully appreciated as to their full scope of meaning.

I like the scale you wrote with co-operate/ion at the top.

Of course the word co-operate has its colloquial, most often used meaning we all grew up with.

But if one breaks the word apart, and looks at the word "operate," and then the "co" meaning "together; joint; jointly; mutually:" . . . we can rise to a rather more huge comprehension of the importance of what you are writing.

It's way up there with states of Being and alignment such as co-create, co-exist, and such.

So, as you wrote in your post #8504:
Co-operate lies above Support. What might lie above that I do not know.

It might just be that "co-operate" is the very top, and that from there it only expands on to infinity without limit.

Rog
 
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Catching up, Ted and Hats.

These posts of yours on help as compared to support are rather brilliant.

Ted, did you know that Alan has a Level of Existence on his "Zones" Scale noted as "Help & Support"? (It's dichotomy/negative expression being Destruction.)

Trouble with we humans is that as/when we begin our processing adventure, even when we go define all the words, the words still "read" for us in the colloquial sense we have been used to using them in.

Hence these two key words tend not to be fully appreciated as to their full scope of meaning.

I like the scale you wrote with co-operate/ion at the top.

Of course the word co-operate has its colloquial, most often used meaning we all grew up with.

But is one breaks the word apart, and looks at the word "operate," and then the "co" meaning "together; joint; jointly; mutually:" . . . we can rise to a rather more huge comprehension of the importance of what you are writing.

It's way up there with states of Being and alignment such as co-create, co-exist, and such.

So, as you wrote in your post #8504:


It might just be that "co-operate" is the very top, and that from there it only expands on to infinity without limit.

Rog

as the old saying goes, "failed help equals destroy"

If one finds oneself wanting to kill someone, one should look for the failed help, cooperation, oneness to rehabilitate their love.

If one is on a path to destroy the Co$, then one might look at the full spectrum.

The person, who released the OT levels to the net has never been found. I don't believe anyone other than that individual knows who it was that did it. There are ways to send shivers down the Co$ 's spine, without giving them a target to strike back.



If the Co$ is going to be one's enemy, then in order to act most effectively, one needs to clean up one's space and beingness. When they pull a dirty trick on you, it doesn't come as a shock or upset, but as an expected parry .

My way of getting beyond the GPM -- Term / OppTerm game would be to "Love the Co$ as yourself" == put the Co$ within your sphere of responsibility. Own it: lock, stock, and barrel. Love it. If you (or I ) were to truly cleanly love it fully, what would we genuinely without upset, reaction or fear want for it? (this is a listing question, so be careful to go to full answer with VGIs)

Once you have a beautiful loving plan / holographic vision of the best thing for the Co$, then you can wage war with it, without being triggered by its games and slings and arrows. You become absolutely pan determined. You own your space and its space. Your physic prediction becomes more attuned. This would be the Zen way of fighting. If one, were the Co$ right this minute, how would you engineer your group dynamic's ceasing to harm and ultimately clean up as a group? What events would have to befall it for its members to look and find a saner path in life? My thought is that several people sitting in prison for a long time would actually be beneficial.

If the question was addressed to me, I'd be thinking - not of psychic attack, but of psychic love. Talking to the beings around the SO ( I don't use the words, BT) call them guardian angels or spiritual teammates. If their teammates were not psychically attacked, but "love bombed"-- aided in finding their own truths, joys, loves,---- not blindly or robotically working for evil. This would help to undue ongoing evil, and be a step in the betterment of the Co$ for all eternity.

Here is an example of the war of the mind against Hitler in WWll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFta4iTZasM&feature=related

The Co$ does not need to be elevated as a big baddie. It needs to be spotted as a wimpy stunted little pit bull that didn't get a mother's love. Then someone, acting as a good parent should and will come along and set it in the corner, get it to 'fess up to its harmful acts, take responsibility for its actions, and go lead a positive productive existence. It doesn't have to be a bad kid. It might take decades, but its redemption as a group should be started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq28qCklEHc
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
as the old saying goes, "failed help equals destroy"

If one finds oneself wanting to kill someone, one should look for the failed help, cooperation, oneness to rehabilitate their love.

If one is on a path to destroy the Co$, then one might look at the full spectrum.

The person, who released the OT levels to the net has never been found. I don't believe anyone other than that individual knows who it was that did it. There are ways to send shivers down the Co$ 's spine, without giving them a target to strike back.



If the Co$ is going to be one's enemy, then in order to act most effectively, one needs to clean up one's space and beingness. When they pull a dirty trick on you, it doesn't come as a shock or upset, but as an expected parry .

My way of getting beyond the GPM -- Term / OppTerm game would be to "Love the Co$ as yourself" == put the Co$ within your sphere of responsibility. Own it: lock, stock, and barrel. Love it. If you (or I ) were to truly cleanly love it fully, what would we genuinely without upset, reaction or fear want for it? (this is a listing question, so be careful to go to full answer with VGIs)

Once you have a beautiful loving plan / holographic vision of the best thing for the Co$, then you can wage war with it, without being triggered by its games and slings and arrows. You become absolutely pan determined. You own your space and its space. Your physic prediction becomes more attuned. This would be the Zen way of fighting. If one, were the Co$ right this minute, how would you engineer your group dynamic's ceasing to harm and ultimately clean up as a group? What events would have to befall it for its members to look and find a saner path in life? My thought is that several people sitting in prison for a long time would actually be beneficial.

If the question was addressed to me, I'd be thinking - not of psychic attack, but of psychic love. Talking to the beings around the SO ( I don't use the words, BT) call them guardian angels or spiritual teammates. If their teammates were not psychically attacked, but "love bombed"-- aided in finding their own truths, joys, loves,---- not blindly or robotically working for evil. This would help to undue ongoing evil, and be a step in the betterment of the Co$ for all eternity.

Here is an example of the war of the mind against Hitler in WWll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFta4iTZasM&feature=related

The Co$ does not need to be elevated as a big baddie. It needs to be spotted as a wimpy stunted little pit bull that didn't get a mother's love. Then someone, acting as a good parent should and will come along and set it in the corner, get it to 'fess up to its harmful acts, take responsibility for its actions, and go lead a positive productive existence. It doesn't have to be a bad kid. It might take decades, but its redemption as a group should be started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq28qCklEHc

Hat's, Ted and Rog...Really g-o-o-d s-t-u-f-f!:yes::yes:

Carmelo,

This is without doubt just about the finest post re: Scn I have ever read here or anywhere.:coolwink::coolwink::coolwink::coolwink::coolwink::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

Face:)
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
Catching up, Ted and Hats.

These posts of yours on help as compared to support are rather brilliant.

Ted, did you know that Alan has a Level of Existence on his "Zones" Scale noted as "Help & Support"? (It's dichotomy/negative expression being Destruction.)

Trouble with we humans is that as/when we begin our processing adventure, even when we go define all the words, the words still "read" for us in the colloquial sense we have been used to using them in.

Hence these two key words tend not to be fully appreciated as to their full scope of meaning.

I like the scale you wrote with co-operate/ion at the top.

Of course the word co-operate has its colloquial, most often used meaning we all grew up with.

But if one breaks the word apart, and looks at the word "operate," and then the "co" meaning "together; joint; jointly; mutually:" . . . we can rise to a rather more huge comprehension of the importance of what you are writing.

It's way up there with states of Being and alignment such as co-create, co-exist, and such.

So, as you wrote in your post #8504:


It might just be that "co-operate" is the very top, and that from there it only expands on to infinity without limit.

Rog

I liked this. I'd forgotten the definition of co- operate. Like you said...the words take on another meaning as we use them in our daily lives. Like co-operate starting to mean bending to someone else's domination or directives.

I looked over what I felt the meaning of support was to me. It is causative ....support has intentionedness. It is not sacrifice offered as a form of duty or a tithing. Politics could be looked at as influencing what others feel inspired to help or not help I guess.
 
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