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Infinite

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The more I look at this the more I see this whole "Mike Laws" thing as an excuse to paint ESMB as dangerous and infiltrated so as to move the FZ community away from ESMB into a "safer environment" - one AWAY from the truth about Scientology that so many do not wish to face or risk their future clientele of being exposed to.

That's how I've always seen it. No doubt OSA dived in when the "marketing war" became apparent and stirred things up. But, yeah, what's driving it is the battle for "customers". A bit like Pepsi vs Coke, only its differently flavoured Kool-Aid in this case.
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Huh?

Is "channelling LRH" really auditing?

I suppose so if the goal of pc and auditor is to make the best messenger the pc can be.

But I never audited anyone who wanted to be someone's messenger, or servant, or slave.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
I thought she would win a trip to Hawaii! :confused2: :D

Congrats!!!

Not only was it the ten thousandth post, but it was at the bottom of the 1000th page! Some kind of cosmic balancing act there.

Lord Zenu in his wisdom decreed that ESMB has 10 posts per page.

And Lo! It was so.

The rest is simple maths. :)

On a current topic here-
I don't think we need to define all the boards as being pro or anti anything, and the more the merrier, so far as I am concerned, if they get people talking to one another and sharing what they know...frankly, they are all squirrel boards if they are not official COS sites. Let's all be happy squirrels together as we go our various ways in life. :thumbsup: :hamster:

The COS don't have any message boards that can be accessed by the public anymore. When they did so, it was slightly smaller than my Yahoo forum, and a lot smaller than ESMB. Its another sign of shrinking and hiding.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
From what I know, Terril Park is that way or close to it.

I'm pro scn tech. I'm also pro any other tech that people might develop.
I may not use it or always understand it, but I think its necessary to
further research clearing technology. I'm also by and large pro critics, or at least some of them sometimes. I studied OEC/FEBC. I think much is useful,
and some is harmful and dangerous and counter productive. When ever I
look anew at a policy I read it in a new unit of time to see if I consider there to be anything valid.

Lrh the man I think was a genius. But flawed, and his agenda was not always as he stated. His best actions were the continual search for better results
and ideas re tech that lasted for at least 30 years.
 
Lord Zenu in his wisdom decreed that ESMB has 10 posts per page.

And Lo! It was so.

The rest is simple maths. :)

Simple maths to you Terrill, but Cosmic balancing act to me...:) and I think it was Emma, and not Zenu, who decided on ten posts per page. Culturally, we tend to count in groups of ten because we have ten fingers...I learned that in Sociology class...(for this, I went to college? :confused2: :D)

The COS don't have any message boards that can be accessed by the public anymore. When they did so, it was slightly smaller than my Yahoo forum, and a lot smaller than ESMB. Its another sign of shrinking and hiding.



Hurrah, thanks for sharing that! :happydance:
 

Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
And Emma, please take me off of whatever odd status you have me under where I can't access some of the features here. Started when you changed things for the spammers you had.
Now that you have made one post you should have the full functions back :D
 
Welcome Newbie Mike!!!

Whoops, forgot to say:

Welcome!!! to Mike, glad you joined us here :happydance:(and are now fully functional...tee hee!:D)

Would you like to share your personal story of being in and out with us?

We love to hear stories about the old days here...:thumbsup:
 

Free Being Me

Crusader
Free Being - I'm just curious as to your use of the term "pro $cio" as in a pro $cio site in your sentence directly above.

It seems to me that nearly everyone who posts here or on that other new site share in not backing the current C of S as run by DM and in fact being opposed to the DM run church. For the most part we are all anti the current C of S regime.

The next level down is the C of S when LRH ran it instead of DM. There are LRH loyalists here who still believe that the LRH run C of S was wonderful and LRH could do no wrong. Many others, including myself, consider that LRH had some good intentions in starting C of S and that in its earlier days the C of S was primarily established to help people and morphed into merely a money and power machine for LRH in its latter phases before he died. Still others think that LRH was bad from the start and always intended only to rip off and damage people so as to control them.

Then there is Scio tech itself, there are 3 basic camps there as well. One thinks it was pristine pure up until LRH died, another thinks it has both good tech and bad tech and a third group insists that it is all bad and has no merit.

Free Being, it seems to me, and correct me if I am wrong, that you believe that LRH never had anything but bad intentions and the intent to only weild power and amass money and further that all the tech he ever included in his Church is utterly worthless at best and harmful and damaging for the most part.

Anyone who does not share these exact sentiments of yours is then pro $cio and that is how you are using the term? Am I correct in reaching this conclusion? If not can you please define more specifically what you mean by the term pro $cio.
Lakey

I just woke up (yawn) and I'll do my best to answer your questions, lkwdblds.

I see no value in L Con's $cientology. None at all. I use the term pro-$cio as one who is for $cio, believing an application of $cio is beneficial. $cio is about making money and controlling its believers.

Due to the lies and abuses utilized to perpetuate $cio I don't look for the shades of grey that have been discussed previously regarding any positives or good regarding $cio. To me, $cio it's not a philosophical debate or who is affiliated with what pro-camp but understanding a real threat ($cio) made to look appealing, targeting people with good intentions. (and have a laugh at how silly I was for believing a science fiction writer had all the answers...lol)

I wish to see the Cof$ gone, finished, ended and exposed in the full light of day including criminal prosecution.

I hope that answers your questions. My posts on this thread have been to disagree with Leon's idea of creating a board of micro-moderators to censor other members and their posts than debate $cio.

Anyway, hope all of you continue to have fun making each other laugh and enjoy each others company since this thread wasn't made for such seriousness.
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
I don't believe that is valid auditing but........

Is "channelling LRH" really auditing?

I suppose so if the goal of pc and auditor is to make the best messenger the pc can be.

But I never audited anyone who wanted to be someone's messenger, or servant, or slave.

I don't believe it is a valid form of auditing myself but out of friendship to Johnny and respect for Blue Spirit, I do not wish to stir up this pot. I had lunch with those two fine gentlemen in Glendale last August and Blue was extolling how many gains and insights he was receiving in his exchanges with LRH and Bashar. He wanted Johnny to channel Mozart for me. Johnny did not want to do that but I was invited to a channeling session the following afternoon but unfortunately I had something else scheduled and could not make it.

Blue had used up his hours with his former auditor and switched over to Johnny and definitely had a major resurgence of case. Blue believed that he was making case gains and one could easily see it in his "space" and hear it in his tone level. Any skepticism I had was muzzled completely. It was not my place to be judgemental. My friend was winning with his new auditor and that was all that counted. Any doubts or counter opinions which I might have had, I never mentioned.

In fact it was quite the contrary, they were so convincing that I got on board with them that whatever was going on with Blue Spirit was valid therapy.

Blue had often told me that one of his goals casewise was to get off of posting on ESMB. After channeling with Johnny for a couple of months, Blue felt strong enough to make the break.

Lakey
 
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lkwdblds

Crusader
Excellent post!

I just woke up (yawn) and I'll do my best to answer your questions, lkwdblds.

I see no value in L Con's $cientology. None at all. I use the term pro-$cio as one who is for $cio, believing an application of $cio is beneficial. $cio is about making money and controlling its believers.

This is as I had expected. I agree with your basic premise but I have a further question to ask you which I will state below.
Due to the lies and abuses utilized to perpetuate $cio I don't look for the shades of grey that have been discussed previously regarding any positives or good regarding $cio. To me, $cio it's not a philosophical debate or who is affiliated with what pro-camp but understanding a real threat ($cio) made to look appealing, targeting people with good intentions. (and have a laugh at how silly I was for believing a science fiction writer had all the answers...lol)

There is a lot of truth in this paragraph!

I wish to see the Cof$ gone, finished, ended and exposed in the full light of day including criminal prosecution.

I am for that as well but after the current regime leaders were exposed and prosecuted, I would hope for a reorganization with new leaders and new sane policies of operation. That is one of our main points of contention.

I hope that answers your questions. My posts on this thread have been to disagree with Leon's idea of creating a board of micro-moderators to censor other members and their posts than debate $cio.

Anyway, hope all of you continue to have fun making each other laugh and enjoy each others company since this thread wasn't made for such seriousness.

Just an excellent post Free! You answered my question in a very straight manner. I pretty much had deduced that this was your position but your post added new insights as to your motives and your thinking. I agree with many of your points very strongly. I made a couple of comments in blue print up in the body of your text.

Free, I have just two points where I differ with you but I see and appreciate your position on those two points.

My main concern and new question is this. What if you believe strongly that some of the Hubbard tech does help people. Do we have to throw the baby out with the bath water? Its probably impossible for you to conceive of any of Hubbard's tech being workable but I am asking you to stretch your imagination and just, for a moment, conceive of such a thing being true.

In such a case, would it not be preferable to cull out those points of tech which do help people and repackage them and continue to deliver them to people? Just throwing something beneficial away because it has Hubbard's brand on it certainly is a valid option but why not cull out any workable tech from the main body of Hubbard's entire tech if it has been seen over the decades to help people?

My second area where I respect your opinion and have a tendency to agree with you but also differ a little bit is in shutting down C of S completely. Would it not be possible to reorganize C of S, even under the same name or some different name, prosecute the current leaders who deserve criminal prosecution but then pick new leaders who are sane and wish for beings to go free and then put them in charge.

The point being, a lot of infra structure already exists to deliver spiritual counseling and this ifra structure has name recongnition with the public. After all the bad things in this group, including many of its current leader, have been removed, could not this infrastructure be reformatted into something which aid the freeing of beings. If such a thing were possible and it was able to reformat, restaff and reorganize the organization into something helpful to mankind, would that not be better than to just bring down and dismantle the entire organization and its infrastructure.

lkwdblds
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Thanks for stating this clearly

I'm pro scn tech. I'm also pro any other tech that people might develop.
I may not use it or always understand it, but I think its necessary to
further research clearing technology. I'm also by and large pro critics, or at least some of them sometimes. I studied OEC/FEBC. I think much is useful,
and some is harmful and dangerous and counter productive. When ever I
look anew at a policy I read it in a new unit of time to see if I consider there to be anything valid.

Lrh the man I think was a genius. But flawed, and his agenda was not always as he stated. His best actions were the continual search for better results
and ideas re tech that lasted for at least 30 years.

Thanks a lot for letting us know your position Terril. I pretty well align with your points of view on all of this.
Lakey
 
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8 Surprising Energy Sappers

By Lucy Danziger, the Editor-in-Chief of SELF magazine
Jan 20, 2011

by Lucy Danziger, the Editor-in-Chief of SELF magazine

Low energy is a common complaint among SELF readers and women in general, and it seems like our energy lags more than usual in January. Which makes sense for a number of reasons: The hectic holiday fun is over and it’s cold and gray outside, so we stay cooped up indoors, getting less exercise and likely eating more of the hearty comfort food that leaves us too full and groggy. But if you feel like you’re dragging more than you should be and the usual pick-me-ups aren’t working—a better night’s sleep, extra cup of coffee, brisk outdoor jog (if you haven’t tried this, you should—one study at the University of Rochester found that students who spent a mere 20 minutes a day outside felt much more energetic)—there might be something else going on with your health or daily habits that deserves your attention. Pick up your pace today with these fast fixes from top experts that shift you out of slow-mo.

Energy sapper: your breakfast menu
Missing a morning meal slows metabolism and depletes your body of the fuel it needs to function optimally, explains nutrition expert Joy Bauer, R.D. But what you eat matters as much as the fact that you eat something. Bauer suggests starting each day with a breakfast that contains at least 5 grams of protein. This nutrient activates the production of norepinephrine, a neurochemical that increases heart rate and alertness. It also digests slowly so blood sugar and energy levels stay stable. Some tasty recipes: a cup of cereal (with 3 g or more of fiber, no more than 120 calories per serving) topped with skim milk, 1/2 cup of blueberries and 1 tablespoon of chopped walnuts (10 g of protein per serving), or an omelet made with 4 egg whites, 1/2 cup chopped broccoli, 1/4 cup chopped onion and 1 ounce lowfat shredded cheese (22 g of protein per serving).

Energy sapper: your outfit
Those killer heels and pencil skirts may look polished and professional, but if you’re sacrificing comfort for fashion, they can also turn you into the office sloth. Workers took an average of 491 fewer steps on days they wore more formal business attire compared with dress-down days, according to research commissioned by the American Council on Exercise in San Diego. And using less energy leads to having less energy, says Cedric Bryant, Ph.D., chief science officer with ACE: “Sitting at your desk all day slows circulation, so less energizing oxygen is delivered to cells throughout your body.” Wear clothes that allow for movement and cushy footwear instead of uncomfortable heels to the office so you’ll be more likely to walk around. If you can’t part with your stilettos, keep them on at work, then slip into flats or low-heeled shoes for a lunch-break walk outdoors and your commute.

Energy sapper: your worrying
Credit card debt, a micromanaging boss—long-term stressors such as these can leave you spent. “Chronic stress increases heart rate and blood pressure, making your body work overtime,” explains Nieca Goldberg, M.D., director of the New York University Langone Medical Center Women’s Heart Program in New York City. “When you’re on edge, you also tend to tighten your muscles, which sets you up for aches and fatigue.” What’s more, worriers often take shallow breaths, so they don’t take in enough oxygen, Dr. Goldberg says. “You’re essentially hyperventilating and building up carbon dioxide in your blood, a waste product that can make you feel tired and dizzy.” When anxiety strikes, take three slow, deep breaths to give your body a big dose of energizing oxygen while slowing down a rapid heart rate. Then, as soon as you have a few minutes of downtime, do something distracting that feels good, like talking to a friend or watching a funny movie.

Energy sapper: your messy desk
Digging through piles of unorganized paperwork is a time and energy stealer in and of itself, but merely the sight of those stacks can stress you out, decrease efficiency and drain your brain, says Carol Landau, Ph.D., clinical professor of psychiatry and medicine at Brown Medical School in Providence, Rhode Island. While a little disarray is OK, in general, your desk should hold only items that you use very frequently—your computer or stapler—and the paperwork you’re working on that day,” notes Laura Stack, author of The Exhaustion Cure (Random House). Nonessential items—a labeler and a three-hole punch—can go in a drawer. To keep your desk clear, spend five minutes at the end of each day putting documents you’re working on in a neat pile and filing away the rest.

Energy sapper: your Saturday sleep-ins
“Bingeing on sleep on weekends to catch up on missed zzz’s throws off your circadian rhythm, your body’s 24-hour clock that plays a key role in sleep and wakefulness,” says Amy Wolfson, Ph.D., author of The Woman’s Book of Sleep (New Harbinger Publications). Sleeping in—and hitting the hay that night later than usual as a result—also makes it hard to readjust to your workweek routine, so you start Mondays in a fog. Strive to get up within the same 60-minute range both days: Oversleeping by more than one hour significantly disrupts your body clock. Still wake up with a case of the groggies? Open your bedroom shades as soon as your alarm goes off. The sunlight sends a signal to your brain that it’s time to get up.

Energy sapper: your lack of vitamin C
About 30 percent of women don’t get enough vitamin C, and too-low levels can zap your energy. That’s because vitamin C helps produce carnitine, a molecule that shuttles fatty acids into cells where they’re burned for energy, says Carol Johnston, Ph.D., professor of nutrition at Arizona State University at Mesa. “Lack of carnitine forces the body to use carbs or protein for energy instead. That can cause your body to produce lactic acid, a waste product that builds up in tissue and fatigues muscles.” Aim to get the recommended daily allowance of 75 mg of C daily by noshing on naturally rich sources such as an orange or a kiwifruit (both have about 70 mg per fruit), broccoli (1 cup chopped: 74 mg) or strawberries (1 cup: 89 mg).

Energy sapper: your stuck-in-a-rut routine
Grandma was right: Variety is the spice of life. “We all crave diversity and challenge,” Steven Berglas, Ph.D and author of Reclaiming the Fire: How Successful People Overcome Burnout says. “When there’s no challenge in completing a task, you go on autopilot—it’s mind-numbing.” If job monotony is dragging you down, ask your boss for more or different responsibilities, or have lunch with someone in another department to find out if her type of job is something you’d like to explore, Berglas suggests. Blasé about your daily regimen? Simple change-ups can deliver some rut-busting benefits. For instance, find an alternate route home (and stop at a park or shop that grabs your eye along the way); sign up for a language, pottery or photography class to get your brain chomping on something new; or trade the treadmill for a fun circuit training class.

Energy sapper: your sluggish thyroid
Found at the base of the throat, this gland secretes hormones that help control metabolism, heart rate and more. “The less active your thyroid is in producing hormones, the slower your metabolism and the less energy you have,” says Stephen Richardson, M.D., an endocrinologist at NYU Langone Medical Center. Other telltale signs of an underactive thyroid include constipation, menstrual irregularities and dry skin, hair and nails. A blood test can reveal whether your levels of thyroid-stimulating hormone are high—a sign that the thyroid isn’t working up to speed. If they are, your M.D. can help pinpoint and treat whatever is elevating them; a viral infection or Hashimoto’s thyroiditis (an autoimmune disease) are potential culprits. If your gland can’t do its job, you may need to take a daily synthetic thyroid hormone pill. Fortunately, once those hormones are back in balance, your lethargy will disappear. In the meantime, try relaxation exercises (deep breathing or yoga). “If you have a thyroid problem, stress might add to the drain on your energy levels,” Dr. Richardson says. That’s one more good excuse to take it easy—and save your energy for something fun.
 
That's how I've always seen it. No doubt OSA dived in when the "marketing war" became apparent and stirred things up. But, yeah, what's driving it is the battle for "customers". A bit like Pepsi vs Coke, only its differently flavoured Kool-Aid in this case.

Infinite, can we still call you Blip?

I think our flavor of Kool Aid is Mojito, perhaps sipped with a Havana cigar and the pleasant company of beach boys and musical theater singers
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Cup of joe with friends

I was sitting out in the garden a little while ago, sipping a Café Legal (Mexican cinnamon coffee)...it’s a beautiful day out.

Got thinkin’ about all the great folks on this thread, all the great stuff Y’all have posted and the great times I've had here.

Aint life grand?

Face:)
 
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dianaclass8

Silver Meritorious Patron
Just to clarify some points here:
Aida stopped me several times when I said anything the slightest bit negative about LRH and told me to phrase my comment in a more positive way. She has a very positive view of LRH, MSH and all the Hubbard family.

***No, I did not, I actually ask you to tell your impressions...if you watch at 4:35 I believe I ask you...I reviewed the interview and I didn't stop you at all.
I heard her story of why she left the C of S and basically it concerns the fact that C of S was not following standard Hubbard management tech.

*****Yes, that is the reason, what is so wrong with that? I was not kicked out I LEFT...unlike other Class VIIIs or XIIs who waited until the Church dispensed with them. I lost A LOT for personal integrity because I moved to this country to be an auditor as a profession, which I had been for the last 20 years. I did not like the way the SO was set up and how the staff treated each other like cannibals. I finally had enough and left, loud and clear with a bang! Not quietly trying to "save my field practice" or "afraid to lose my friends" my integrity was first. Nothing really bad happened to me while I was in.

Also, there is her attractive set of videos comparing the older LRH books with the newer altered books of the DM regime and she treats the LRH books as the Gospel so to speak.

***I studied 5 years of Law before Scientology...I did the approach as if I was in a court of law that this organization was deceiving people thinking that they were getting one thing when they were getting something else. When I studied law I was taught that the Constitution was a Gospel sort of speak and that in order to resolve a legal case you have to apply the law, I saw Scientology with the same approach.

I was presenting the videos with facts, for those who were still in to look for themselves.


If "Aida is standard in her approach to auditing tech", and she left C of S because management tech was not being followed per LRH policy then she fits into the category which I described and you referred to as an "LRH loyalist".

****Yes, in a way I am LRH loyalist, but not blidnfolded...that doesn't take away that he was a human being who lied and did a lot of incorrect things...and here is my more inner thoughts...it took me a lot to fogive him for the lies...thanks critics of ESMB for telling it as it is...but again...I always used common sense before being a blindfolded "loyalist". Maybe that is why nothing happened to me while I was in...actually I have been more offended while in the FZ.

I like some of the tech and I still used it...as always with a lot of common sense and personal ethics....
 

AnonKat

Crusader
go go go

You tell em gurl ! :coolwink:


Just to clarify some points here:
Aida stopped me several times when I said anything the slightest bit negative about LRH and told me to phrase my comment in a more positive way. She has a very positive view of LRH, MSH and all the Hubbard family.

***No, I did not, I actually ask you to tell your impressions...if you watch at 4:35 I believe I ask you...I reviewed the interview and I didn't stop you at all.
I heard her story of why she left the C of S and basically it concerns the fact that C of S was not following standard Hubbard management tech.

*****Yes, that is the reason, what is so wrong with that? I was not kicked out I LEFT...unlike other Class VIIIs or XIIs who waited until the Church dispensed with them. I lost A LOT for personal integrity because I moved to this country to be an auditor as a profession, which I had been for the last 20 years. I did not like the way the SO was set up and how the staff treated each other like cannibals. I finally had enough and left, loud and clear with a bang! Not quietly trying to "save my field practice" or "afraid to lose my friends" my integrity was first. Nothing really bad happened to me while I was in.

Also, there is her attractive set of videos comparing the older LRH books with the newer altered books of the DM regime and she treats the LRH books as the Gospel so to speak.

***I studied 5 years of Law before Scientology...I did the approach as if I was in a court of law that this organization was deceiving people thinking that they were getting one thing when they were getting something else. When I studied law I was taught that the Constitution was a Gospel sort of speak and that in order to resolve a legal case you have to apply the law, I saw Scientology with the same approach.

If "Aida is standard in her approach to auditing tech", and she left C of S because management tech was not being followed per LRH policy then she fits into the category which I described and you referred to as an "LRH loyalist".

****Yes, in a way I am LRH loyalist, but not blidnfolded...that doesn't take away that he was a human being who lied and did a lot of incorrect things...and here is my more inner thoughts...it took me a lot to fogive him for the lies...thanks critics of ESMB...but again...I always used common sense before being a blindfolded "loyalist"

I like some of the tech and I still used it...as always with a lot of common sense and personal ethics....
 
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