The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[CarmeloOrchards]

For those here that have an interest, I have posted Part Three of "Shooting Stars".

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=526692&postcount=16

Face

Because of football today, this was largely overlooked.

here it is, where it will be seen.

There is a thin line between tragedy and comedy.

“Yeuh kneuh, of keurs, I meant to that?!” Inspector Jacques Clouseau (Peter Sellers)

I spent—we all spent—years and thousands upon thousands of hours, Dollars and energy “Buying” El Ron’s construct. I have spent years and thousands upon thousands of hours, Dollars and energy “dismantling” the construct I bought into…and am still not done. I’ve reached the point where I don’t regret a minute of it. There were some dark days…tortured, desperate and dark days; days that, now, I don’t regret. My times with El Ron used to haunt me; now they are the arrows in my quiver and ESMB is my bow.

For me there has been no Silver Bullet, no Red Pill or Blue Pill, no one singular “Moment”. For me it has simply been pushing forward, never stopping—always forward—one foot in front of the other, one step at a time.



Part Three

L. Ron Clouseau

“The Major Target”

El Ron was frustrated...Hisself (H) now had the bestess of best Whips but those RPB’s don’t just let everyone that asks for an appointment into their palatial, Studio Quality Sound System equipped offices to make “The Pitch”. You had to be “somebody” or know “somebody”.

Although there were a handful of Music Industry Scns—from recording session musicians all the way up to Chick Corea and Stanly Clarke—sprinkled around Hisself’s (H’s) Planet, El Ron, expressly, did not want any of them to know about POS at that time. Over my years in service to El Ron, I always found it odd that (H) intentionally remained isolated, or at least arms length away, from Scn’s that were actually real experts and professionals. H’s modus was to “learn” something H’s way, run it through the bowels between H’s ears and, “Presto Chango”; regurgitate yet another “Tech Breakthrough” and pontificate as an “expert” on yet another subject. El Ron then “Packaged” up all H’s “hard won knowledge” and sold “It” to all of Us.

Unfortunately, to those RPB’s, Source Records and its’ Executing Vassals (EV’s) were “nobodies” and, believe it not, El Ron didn’t want H’s name, or Scn’s, mentioned until H’s minions were inside the “Corral” and could properly apply “The Whip”—and there were, of course, were "R" instructions as to how to precisely do that.

“The Vital Target”

In Hollywood there are two things that get you access to “The Players”; “Talent”—whether it be “casting couch” talent or more—you had to have to some Talent; Money—Hollywood loves money and views it as a form of “Talent”. And, El Ron had access to tons of long tons of money.

Laced in to the fabric of Hollywood are Talent Agents. Higher up the Talent Agent food chain are the Lawyer/Agents and, at the top, are Lawyer/Agents that not only know what they are doing, they are specialized in specific niches of the Entertainment Industry. A Niche Lawyer/Agent (NLA) has a reputation and a track record that yields instant phone access to all the Players in their Industry niche. If you’ve got the bucks, you got yourself one helluva gunslinger.

El Ron had selected the EV’s well and H’s Action Aide Son-in-Law was a bright, savvy and sophisticated guy from a well to do, refined and successful family. A plan was cooked up, the Action Aide made the pitch to “Daddy” (an act that always required consummate skill and gambler’s guts and luck) and H bought it—the purse was opened wide and deep to find and hire the “Paladin” of Hollywood NLA’s. The EV’s snapped-to and, within the flash of a Rock Slam, the baddest MFer in the Valley saddled-up to bust open those RPB’s corral doors for Source Music.

“The Valuable Final Product”

Paladin was very, very impressed…with the fact that POS had been Mastered by a Legendary Mastering Engineer and had been manufactured by the finest “Boutique” Pressing Plant in the Industry. As for the rest of Paladin’s assessment of the POS held in his hand and listened to on his Studio Quality Sound system? Second verse, same as the first; the Master Tape recording was an amateur mess, some of the mikes were inferior and others were the wrong type for that instrument; the room was too Live and the engineer did not correct for it, the music was a sort of “Jazz Fusion” which usually doesn’t sell well even if expertly recorded by top artists and engineers; the ensemble was poorly put together with some mediocre musicians, some good ones and some were good enough to back up top talent; I’m confident you’ve been told all this by the Legendary Mastering Engineer, who happens to also be a first rate Jazz Composer, Arranger, Director and Musician; I understand what El Ron’s trying to do but H needs to let some folks that know what they’re doing—have spent their whole careers trying to “Capture Live Sound”—help H out…all it takes is money, lots of it and H obviously has no shortage of that; and oh—just curious—who’s the juvenile that came up with the album covers? Paladin also said that unless he could reveal just who and what "Source Music" was to the RPB's he contacted he would go forward and El Ron agreed.

Paladin was not an English Butler…he was a Bounty Hunter. Paladin gave the EV’s the “lay of the land” as he saw it, to be relayed to H sans sugarcoating. If El Ron was insisted that POS was “It” then he’d go with it—under the proviso that H understood that the only interest those RPB’s would have in Distributing this particular POS Album (double entendre intended) was the fact that El Ron had a “ready made market” that would buy anything H put out.

“The Implementation”

Paladin’s message to El Ron rolled off H like water on a duck. Paladin was being paid a fee that would have fed all of PAC SO plentiful and very good food for weeks and weeks. “All we need and want from this Bird is to deliver the goods,” H huffed. Within a few days, Paladin sent another message to El Ron; he had 4 Major Record Companies that would let the EV’s in their corral and one of them was H’s best hope to cut a deal. Paladin’s advice was to take on the three less likely RPB’s first and for him to go with the EV’s so that they could get some experience “under fire”, he would personally groom the EV’s and show them “the ropes”. Once that was done, they’d take on the target of most opportunity. El Ron agreed and, straightaway, the EV’s and Paladin were inside one and then, shortly thereafter, a second and then a third RPB corral.

The third, fourth and fifth verse was also the same as the first. “Target’s” 1-3 were impervious to “The Whip”. Unless H was willing to let them help redo the POS Album, soup-to-nuts, they had no interest at all in having their name associated with “It” and if El Ron would foot the bill to properly redo POS then they would be interested in trying to put a deal together, knowing that the only chance there was of them making any money was that Scns would buy the Power of Source. And, in order to even talk about trying put that deal together, they’d need some “Hard Numbers” on the true Scn Membership, the geographic distribution and any other Demographics that could be put together. El Ron ordered the EV’s to proceed to target 4.

“The ‘Truth’ Revealed”

Target 4 was a very successfuland renowned Major Record Company of some very bright contrarians. These RPB’s had made a lot of money taking well calculated risks on new sounds and timely different “twists”. They’d had their share of losers but some of there winners were, and still are, cash cows. The “Big Dog” in the Corral that day would be one of the “Founders”—today he is in every Music Industry Hall of Fame of any note.

El Ron had “them” where H wanted ‘em. Afterall, this wasn’t gonna be Buckeroo El Ron's first Shootout at the OK Corral. Paladin had served H’s purpose and was told "step aside" and Buckarro El Ron would take it from here. El Ron carefully selected a “Special” Missionaire—a proven Big League Reg—briefed him, outfitted him and fired him off to the Source Music International Headquarters in Hollywood, California. The plan was for Missionaire “Special” was to accompany the EV’s to the standoff and once they had cowed these RPB’s with “The Whip”, Special would reveal himself as El Ron’s personal emissary to them and H's personal "Negotiator".

Final verse, same as the first, a little bit louder and a little bit worse. After sitting through the same meeting the EV’s had been through before, The Negotiator revealed just who and what he was and went for the jugular. He understood they were just using tactics, but, they could dispense with all that…he was here to cut to the chase and to put the “Deal” together!

“Okay son,” laughed Big Dog, “I can see why El Ron sent you…you’re good... you’re real good. Okay, here’s the "Deal". We’ll put POS out just like it is. El Ron pays all hard and soft costs, guarantees the profit we want and agrees that Scn can’t sell one record, or anything related to POS or the Stars through the Church or to its’ Members and, as you speak for H, I’ll shake on it right now and we can start putting things on paper tomorrow.” Special said he wasn't authorized to do that, continued to ‘negotiate” for a few more minutes and then he and the EV’s were handed their hats. Special was oredered back to Flag the next to be debriefed by, personally, by El Ron…what a luck guy.

Several days later the EV’s received the word from El Ron that they had done a "fantastic job, Very Highly Commended, Very Well Done"…new Mission orders were on their way.

In the new “Mission Information” Packet L. Ron Clouseau explained what really was going on. H had been conduction “Research” into the “Existing Scene” of the Hollywood Music Industry.

LRC’s intention all along was for POS to be a “Pilot Project” to “test” how well Pubs US could release, handle and market a new El Ron product.


In a few days or so,

Part Four

The Power of Source Unleashed


Peace.

Face

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnf4v5mqHes&feature=fvsr

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks for this fine reply!

I think any time you carry lots of beings with you attached to the body you have a greater risk of succumbing to overwhelm somewhere along the line. I realize some may feel there's just more love in the group bond.

I, like you, don't think most people would ever prefer to keep entities. The idea of having entities is sort of a 'modifying' factor to one's own beingnes and raw power. There are heavy electrically charged entities. There are beings you can feel which seem just rarified essences. Helpers and guardians etc probably are not anchored or dormant in/on a person's body. There's all manner of life forms around us. But if you are looking for groups of beings who are attached to a body or stuck__ whatever valence they are in, release em! You don't have to intend them to do anything...stay or go.

My thoughts in response to what you posited?

I guess you could have a group who have taken on being machinery to do things for you. Like maybe remembering movements in music or something. And you might think, "I don't want to blow my 'smarty' circuit.... maybe I should keep these guys around, they're my friends. Hmmm. That could leave me lonely." I've heard of rare occasions like this where the PC was lonely afterwards.

Beings are always better off being themselves. And if they are in a valence serving a purpose it's still better for them to be themselves. If one works through the body with love and intends only to relieve charge, I don't see that anything that wanted to stay and help you wouldn't continue to do so gratefully.

Those are my thoughts on it.

Hats, thanks for your excellent comments and for answering my direct question. I learned a lot from reading your post. On the circuits for remembering movements in music and other "smarty circuits", I think they are just great and a lot of fun.

You should receive an award for coining "smarty circuits". I believe that if you check Carmelo's posting back around August or September of last year, he mentioned that he was lonely after completing OT III and that is why he left the C of S. (a little smarty circuit told me that).

I make no bones that I have set up a lot of circuits regarding remembering music and also remembering things in general. I keep asserting that the reason that I set up such strong memory circuits was so I could find my way home if I got lost. The idea is that in being recruited to join this universe and this game, beings were promised that any time they wanted to leave the game, they could immediately opt out and this turned out not to be the case. I anticipated this betrayal and developed many circuits in an attempt to always be able to find my way out of this universe if and when I wanted to end cycle on it.

Notice that Hubbard in C of S policy tells the public that anyone can ask for and receive their money back for any service with the only condition being that they may no longer be members of C of S. Of course, this is not accurate. Receiving one's money back usually requires a major fight with C of S. In this instance, LRH emulated those who recruited beings into the physical universe.

Probably my next step in rising to a larger state of being for me would be to be willing to give up my "smarty circuits". This would cause a huge drop in havingness and at first there would also be a reduction in abilities but in the long run, with a lot of dillegence and intention a higher state of beingness would ultimately be achieved without the "smarty circuits" than with them.

The problem would then be that life would not be as much fun without those smarty circuits so the being would have to figure out a way to increase his fun coefficient and that might require creating some more "fun circuits" Go figure!
Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Hats, thanks for your excellent comments and for answering my direct question. I learned a lot from reading your post. On the circuits for remembering movements in music and other "smarty circuits", I think they are just great and a lot of fun.

You should receive an award for coining "smarty circuits". I believe that if you check Carmelo's posting back around August or September of last year, he mentioned that he was lonely after completing OT III and that is why he left the C of S. (a little smarty circuit told me that).

I make no bones that I have set up a lot of circuits regarding remembering music and also remembering things in general. I keep asserting that the reason that I set up such strong memory circuits was so I could find my way home if I got lost. The idea is that in being recruited to join this universe and this game, beings were promised that any time they wanted to leave the game, they could immediately opt out and this turned out not to be the case. I anticipated this betrayal and developed many circuits in an attempt to always be able to find my way out of this universe if and when I wanted to end cycle on it.

Notice that Hubbard in C of S policy tells the public that anyone can ask for and receive their money back for any service with the only condition being that they may no longer be members of C of S. Of course, this is not accurate. Receiving one's money back usually requires a major fight with C of S. In this instance, LRH emulated those who recruited beings into the physical universe.

Probably my next step in rising to a larger state of being for me would be to be willing to give up my "smarty circuits". This would cause a huge drop in havingness and at first there would also be a reduction in abilities but in the long run, with a lot of dillegence and intention a higher state of beingness would ultimately be ashieved without the "smarty circuits" than with them.

The problem would then be that life would not be as much fun without those smarty circuits so the being would have to figure out a way to increase his fun coefficient and that might require creating some more "fun circuits" Go figure!
Lakey

I don't know the right words, but the answer is in permeating, owning and acting with one's environment and peoples - not individuated from them.

much like posters on this thread are treated with respect, the community in which you live, needs the same treatment.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Hey, smarty breeches, I'll bet a person could do one of Roger's fav processes to rehab any abilities felt lost.

From where could you experience__(the aptitude)___
From where could you create_______" "__

 

[RogerB]

Originally Posted by lkwdblds View Post
Isn't it true that on OTIII. the BT's are run through 2 incidents once they are located. First Incident 2 is run and then incident 1. Incident 1 is very early on the track and they are run through this with the intention of having them run out this very basic incident so that they will be gone, i.e. "blow". That's the way the level was when I ran it in the 70's.

On NOTs a different procedure was run but it seems that we were still asked to get them to blow.

Roger B. (and perhaps others) has suggested a step where the pre OT is asked whether or not he wants to keep the BT around or have it leave. The Pre OT has a personal choice in this matter instead of always shooting for the BT to leave. Introducing this step seems to greatly improve the results of NOTs style auditing.

If this step is introduced into NOTs, then the body of your post can be applied. However, my experience in C of S, last session in 1993, was that the auditor and the pc were always going for a blow. Having a BT with its charge dissipated and the BT doing well and then sticking around in the pre OT's space was never allowed to happen. On audited NOTs, which is as far as I went, thank God, there was no option to leave a deabberated BT staying in the pre OT's space.

Maybe on Solo NOTs this was an option but I doubt it. Maybe those who have done Solo NOTs can clear up my doubts on this matter.

Another key element in these levels was the use of running "havingness" at the end of a session. The idea is to fill the vacuum created so that it is not re occupied by new BT's. This has some workability but even with this step introduced, new BT's tend to replace the old; it just seems to occur at a much slower pace if havingness is run.
Lakey

I'll speak as one of the "others."

You have it way wrong. It is not up to the pre-OT to determine if he wants to keep the BT around or not. This smacks of further enslavement. (Perhaps it is simply your wording that gives this impression?) Think co-operation. Some stay around to help, to get "trained," to do whatever beings do for each other. Others are free to leave. All get their charge cleaned up. That is not a rule. It happens, usually, that way. Some stay pissed off until the appropriate BPC is located and addressed. Same stuff as with beings with bodies.

Hubbard treated beings in life just as he held them in his mind. He used them, abused them, blamed them, then blew them off.

In the 3 materials he states that a pre-OT with BTs is in Treason to himself.

Hubbard was FOS. Watch out for his slight-of-hand manipulation designed to shift power to Hisself.

I think an auditor surrounded by beings who are dramatizing BPC is possibly in treason as an auditor.

Here is a fine article by Geir Isene. We "others" have had this "cognition" long ago. It is a fine article and given that it is written as someone who has been held in high esteem in the church, what he has to say here should penetrate where it needs to go. On the Value of Life

Ted is correct here.

Lakey, the part in red above by you is in error.

Read my dialogue on this issue, and the notes on how I actually do handle this subject of "spiritual connections" on Mate's Thread "How Dangerous is New OTVII (Solo NOTs)" here:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=16109

Rog

 

[RogerB]

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Roger B. commented several times. One comment had to do with flowing admiration to any beings who were resisting leaving. This proved to be extremely effective and improved my sessions greatly. Next, Roger commented on not blowing off all of one's entities and beings. His comments were based on earlier comments by Carmelo.

Lakey, you have altered-cum-added to and/or misinterpreted what I would have said, for the above is not what I would have said or given as advice. And I certainly would not have been a party to the notion that the spiritual connections ought or should be made leave or that there was "something you had to do to handle 'any beings who were resisting leaving,'" (in order to make them leave.)

You should relate to and with any other Being with honor, appreciation and admiration. I have variously noted that the final steps in Alan's Spiritual Teammate Handling is to "find what action or ability of your spiritual teammate are you willing to acknowledge and appreciate?" . . . . and to then so "acknowledge and appreciate the spiritual teammate."

Also any comments I made were not "based on earlier comments by Carmelo" . . . they may have subsequently followed, but certainly not "based on."

I don't have Roger's post in front of me since these remarks of his were made sometime in Septemter 2010, I believe. Nevertheless, I recall that Roger said that the pc should be offered the choice of whether the being stays on in his or her space or if the being is made to blow that space. I am hoping Roger will appear tomorrow and comment on this to see if I duplicated him correctly.

In red above. NO . . . this is not so. If it could have been construed in that context, it would have been in answer to a comment of yours in the vein that you were trying to "blow" the client's BT for him! . . . for Chrissakes . . . and that is a no, no.

I mean you have been talking here about you running the "NOTs R/D" on your client's "BTs" . . . and with the client not hatted on this stuff and presumably not a fully informed, consenting party to you "blowing their 'BTs.'"

It's the client's universe, it's up to the client to determine his/her relationship with his/her spiritual connections (BT's). In any event, it's not even really up to the client (alone) to violate the relationship with the spiritual connection . . . the spiritual Being has a choice in this! And the spiritual Being (BT) decides whether to go or stay . . . the ideal scenario is for harmony of relationship to be restored between client and his/her spiritual connections . . . . and that takes the mutual respect, honor and admiration I spoke of.

In any case, I implemented Roger's suggestion and always asked the pc whether they wanted to keep the being or entity in their space or if they wanted to have them leave their space and go pursue its own life on its own.

Snipped . . . .

Do you have any comments?
Gary

Yes . . . my comments are as above You have misconstrued and then misapplied my comments, and thus not done "Roger's suggestion."

Again, see Mate's thread: "How Dangerous is New OTVII (Solo NOTs)" here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=16109

Rog

 

[lkwdblds]

Recap of recent posts

I don't know the right words, but the answer is in permeating, owning and acting with one's environment and peoples - not individuated from them.

much like posters on this thread are treated with respect, the community in which you live, needs the same treatment.

Carmelo - The few words you wrote above are very helpful. Probably for most practitioners, we would need some more data on how to get our pc's to permeate, own and act with one's peoples. LRH did not publish any hat telling auditor's to do this let alone publish how to do it.

Face - I read Face's post about Hubbard and C of S releasing that disastrous "Power of Source" album. I believe that the main problem with C of S trying to release anything on public lines is a violation of Carmelo's quoted post above. Namely...

C of S does not treat any non Scientology community such as the record community nor any other community with respect and it certainly does not permeate any non Scientology community and act in concert with them.

To the contrary, they totally individuate from them and adopt an "us versus them attitude", degrading what any non Scientology community does as "false Tech" or "WOG tech" which has no intrinsic value but whatever value it has is harmful to "getting a show on the road".

The world is not a struggle between its non C of S and C of S factions as C of S promo would have you believe. For a group of 50,000 hard core members they do get their name out on public lines to a remarkable degree but since their numbers are so small and they only deal in the tens of millions and not the billions of dollars, they are still relatively small players worldwide.

When they went to cut a major record deal on Power of Source, they were much smaller then than they are now and yet viewed themselves as a powerful force, individuated from the rest of society. This would explain why their record deal imploded, not to mention the matter of talent which Face mentions. The band was not professional grade, nor was the quality of the recording but most of all, the talent was not there. LRH is not a professional level composer of music!

Hats - Hats, thanks for posting Roger's process. Maybe I will run that on myself or have Candy run it on me. Have you had that run on you?

Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks for your reply! I will check this out.

Lakey, you have altered-cum-added to and/or misinterpreted what I would have said, for the above is not what I would have said or given as advice. And I certainly would not have been a party to the notion that the spiritual connections ought or should be made leave or that there was "something you had to do to handle 'any beings who were resisting leaving,'" (in order to make them leave.)

You should relate to and with any other Being with honor, appreciation and admiration. I have variously noted that the final steps in Alan's Spiritual Teammate Handling is to "find what action or ability of your spiritual teammate are you willing to acknowledge and appreciate?" . . . . and to then so "acknowledge and appreciate the spiritual teammate."

This line was kept in IN FULL by me, we treated other Beings with honor, appreciation and admiration. That was very successful, BTW, and improved the results I was getting.

Also any comments I made were not "based on earlier comments by Carmelo" . . . they may have subsequently followed, but certainly not "based on."

Carmelo brought up the subject, talking about his own experience running OT III, and how after completing that level he decided to leave C of S. A couple of posts later you responded with several posts containing comments. I concede that "based on" is not the proper descriptive which I should have used, "in response to" would have been much more appropriate.

In red above. NO . . . this is not so. If it could have been construed in that context, it would have been in answer to a comment of yours in the vein that you were trying to "blow" the client's BT for him! . . . for Chrissakes . . . and that is a no, no.

I saved your posts in a paper file I have called "Hatting Materials". I will reread those materials. Obviously, you wrote the materials and say that I misconstued them. You are the authority on what you wrote so I have to accept what you say as Gospel. .

I never tried to blow the client's BT's for them. I don't know where you got that idea. I was just running the NOTS steps on my clients. The BT's blew only because of actions taken by my clients. The sequence was that I attempted to get a discharge of energy by touching the client's head. About 2/3 of the time this would do the trick. I considered this as a straight massage without entities. If not, then I would look for BT's. I would only give the NOTS commands to the client once I found a BT. The clients had to get the BT's to blow on their own.

I mean you have been talking here about you running the "NOTs R/D" on your client's "BTs" . . . and with the client not hatted on this stuff and presumably not a fully informed, consenting party to you "blowing their 'BTs.'"

I meant that the team of the client and myself would cause their BT's to blow. I gave the commands and the client executed them just like in any regular session. All of my client's are engaged in Metaphysical pursuits. To my astonishment and disbelief, they already knew a tremendous amount about most of the topics that are studied in Scn.

I can see in your paragraph above that you felt that my clients were not hatted on this stuff and were not a fully informed, consenting party to me "running their BT's". Probably, seeing this, you mentioned to me that I should ascertain from them whether or not they wanted to keep the BT or have it blow. This reaction by you was to both educate my clients and mitigate any damages caused by running out a BT the client would actually like to keep. You made a sincere gesture to help both me and my clients and I am very appreciative.

It seems to me that since I was runing a non standard session you wanted to do something to protect my clients. I TOOK COMMENTS YOU MADE TO ME ONLY, IN MY PARTICULAR CASE, AS GENERAL RULES FOR EVERYONE TO FOLLOW. I THINK THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. I EXTRAPOLATED YOUR ADVICE ONLY TO ME AS GENERAL ADVICE OR THEORY FOR THE WHOLE SUBJECT!!


It's the client's universe, it's up to the client to determine his/her relationship with his/her spiritual connections (BT's). In any event, it's not even really up to the client (alone) to violate the relationship with the spiritual connection . . . the spiritual Being has a choice in this! And the spiritual Being (BT) decides whether to go or stay . . . the ideal scenario is for harmony of relationship to be restored between client and his/her spiritual connections . . . . and that takes the mutual respect, honor and admiration I spoke of.




Yes . . . my comments are as above You have misconstrued and then misapplied my comments, and thus not done "Roger's suggestion."

Again, see Mate's thread: "How Dangerous is New OTVII (Solo NOTs)" here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=16109

Rog

I will reread Mate's thread. I believe I have isolated where I went wrong with taking your advice. as I stated above, I extrapolated something you recommended I do as a stopgap measure, since I was not fully hatting my clients before the session, into a general principle to apply to all cases. Everytime we took up a BT and found out what it was all about, I began asking the client if they wanted to keep it or have it blow. This did stop any instances of the client running out BT's which they later thought they should have kept.

A better method would have been to hat my clients fully on BT's before I ever gave them a NOTS type session.

THE CURRENT STATE OF ME RUNING OUT BT'S WITHIN MASSAGE TYPE SESSIONS.

I quit doing this around December 1st for several reasons. I had given these sessions to 6 people but there was a total of perhaps 30 sessions. All of the sessions went well and the clients all left with VGI's and wanted more. Less than 2 weeks ago, my friend Kadriya called me and wanted a massage and I gave it to her. I could not release her neck to her satisfaction with massage only and she requested that I run a BT off her neck. I did that for her and she was fully happy. That is the only BT I have run rrecdently. I quit runing them because:

#1. I am not fully hatted and am just winging it and I am not happy in that position.

#2. I am not being payed to do it and yet feel compelled to help my friends whenever they need it done. I still give plenty of massages but am not going beyond that into entities at this time.

#3. I am now getting involved with Candy's program of giving PCA tests and helping people bring up their graphs. I am getting hatting from Candy and her techniques take people to permanent gains. This is preferable to the temporary gains I was able to deliver to people through massage and entities without being hatted.
Lakey

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

My Two Bits Re: the BT Thing

Hats, Rog Carmelo, Leon, Ted…Thanks for the great, great stuff re: other beings….very helpful.

Rog & Ted…thank you for the links to your earlier stuff and other stuff. When I get some extra time I’m gonna read ‘em.

As a simpleton and “Techie Challenged”, my contribution to this discussion is pretty much this current opinion:

All of Us Live in a Sea of Life. Life is everywhere, within Us and around Us. Other Life touches Us, interacts with Us constantly—a Dance of Life or Symphony of Life—always has, always will. Nothing in this Universe can stop Life from Living as Life Lives. It’s up to Us to find our way around the Sea and experience the multitude of its’ Manifestations, Expressions, Joys, Sorrows, etc and where that leads I know not. All I know is, if I go forward, always forward, “It” continues to make more “Sense” with less “Reason”.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

My Five Favorite "F" Words

Awhile back I posted about my pleasure in preparing a “Comfort Food” Sunday meal for friends. Yesterday was the first Sunday in nearly two months that I was “Up” to the task. It’s never really been a “Task”…more a Labor of Love.

The Menu was; New England Style Pot Roast, with Carrot, Potato and Sweet Onion; Garlic Mashed Potato’s and Kettle Gravy; Snap Beans simmered in Bacon and Onion slices; Romaine, Ice Berg, Carrot, Red Cabbage, Cucumber, Avocado and Green Olive tossed Salad, with Red Wine Vinegar/Olive Oil/Herb Vinaigrette Dressing, sprinkled with Grated Assiago/Romano/Parmesan; Carrot Cake and Vanilla Ice Cream. Although there was a respectable Merlot available I chose, being the country bumpkin that I am, to have a crisp Pinot Grigo with me plate.

After the meal, we all sat out in the Garden for a spell and visited. While sitting there thankful for my friends, the food and the conversation, it suddenly occurred to me that five of the things I most treasure, am thankful for and appreciate about my life all started with the letter “F”.

1. Food

2. Friends

3. Family

4. Fellowship

5.

Face

 

[Leon]

And avoid the letter D.

Devil

Drugs

Drink

Degradation

Damnation

Depression

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Leon,

I inadvertently left you off my "BT's" post.

Thanks, Leon...I always find your Stuff helpful.

Face

 

[Ted]

Carmelo - The few words you wrote above are very helpful. Probably for most practitioners, we would need some more data on how to get our pc's to permeate, own and act with one's peoples. LRH did not publish any hat telling auditor's to do this let alone publish how to do it.

[snip]

Lakey

LRH published plenty of data. He even said the same thing over and over in different ways so that everyone might get it.

Lakey, more data is not needed. This isn't something to think about. The LRH tone scale is an excellent guide. Like it or not, agree with it or not, it is obvious to any observer that dead is dead and alive is different than dead. The auditor's goal is to do something for the pc/client. That's different than doing something to the pc/client.

A rise in tone on any given subject, or an overall rise on life in general, means something has been done for the pc/client. A rise in tone is an indicator of what is happening in the pc/client universe. That alone is no indicator of the pc/client ability to manifest other things, objective things that the rest of us can observe. Taking mo' money to the bank, betta' relationships, all the abilities espoused on the Grade Chart, these things are valuable if/when attained. But all that begins with a rise in tone.

ACW's talk and writing on "mood" parallels tone.

When the pc/client/student is pointed in the direction of LIFE, he will eventually take to it like a duck takes to water. It is a natural thing. Then, yes, then the pc/client/student will begin to understand permeation, pervasion, and even confront. These things are experienced, not thought about. Data will get the pc/client/student pointed in the right direction, but only DOING, only walking the walk spoken about in the data will get the pc/client/student high on life. A pc/client afraid to experience whatever and afraid to allow others to experience whatever will never get there.

You have all the data. (And BTW, that's another word that disgust me. Data. )

 

[Veda]

-snip-

Hubbard treated beings in life just as he held them in his mind. He used them, abused them, blamed them, then blew them off.

In the 3 materials he states that a pre-OT with BTs is in Treason to himself.

Hubbard was FOS. Watch out for his slight-of-hand manipulation designed to shift power to Hisself.

-snip-

As I recall, one of the "EPs" of "OT 3" was "No more BTs," then along came "NOTs," and "OT 3" completions were told that they had more "BTs," and not just more "BTs," but oodles more of them. Again, from memory, since I'm not interested in spending any more time on this and checking it, the reason that "NOTs" completions were supposed to be transparent (at least to themselves) was that they no longer had any "BTs" in and around their bodies.

My one short post (in response to MattD) a while back addressed only Hubbard's "OT3" and Hubbard's "NOTs," not a revised or modified "OT3" or "NOTs." These are Hubbard's names and he dreamt up the stuff. It was Hubbard who told people that they had a problem, a big problem, and that that problem was "Body Thetans," also described by Hubbard as "fleas."

 

[Ted]

Hats, Rog Carmelo, Leon, Ted…Thanks for the great, great stuff re: other beings….very helpful.

Rog & Ted…thank you for the links to your earlier stuff and other stuff. When I get some extra time I’m gonna read ‘em.

As a simpleton and “Techie Challenged”, my contribution to this discussion is pretty much this current opinion:

All of Us Live in a Sea of Life. Life is everywhere, within Us and around Us. Other Life touches Us, interacts with Us constantly—a Dance of Life or Symphony of Life—always has, always will. Nothing in this Universe can stop Life from Living as Life Lives. It’s up to Us to find our way around the Sea and experience the multitude of its’ Manifestations, Expressions, Joys, Sorrows, etc and where that leads I know not. All I know is, if I go forward, always forward, “It” continues to make more “Sense” with less “Reason”.

Face

Sea of Life. Yes, I agree. This is what I see. This is what I feel. This is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

Given the above being the case, as I see it, auditing off BT's and clusters becomes an exercise in futility. Auditing off charge, upset, confusion, all that which is not the being in question, yes, that is possible. It gives the impression that something is leaving. But that something is not the being unless it chooses to pack up its case taking it and self to the train station.

Even by scientology's own scripture, beings have no location in time or space except by consideration. Remove that or those considerations then whatcha got? It has always been my view that beings do not move as if they are ghosts traveling around the universe. They simply are. They move or position themselves by consideration. And, boy, do beings have considerations. They have oodles of them. Thus they are positioned allovertheplace! Blowing beings off is a concept not grounded in scientology's own axioms.

And should the auditor succeed in blowing the BT off, then what? The auditor gets bigger, feels he can reach more then one day he is confronting and auditing his old BT buddy at a new location.

This is great stuff for managing the org's GI. A never-ending process. Promise total freedom. Deliver enslavement. Scientology, ain't it grand?

 

[lkwdblds]

I don't get this post at all!

LRH published plenty of data. He even said the same thing over and over in different ways so that everyone might get it.

I am a Class V auditor ran OT III and NOTS and I am not aware of any data LRH published specifically dealing with pc's permeating, owning and acting with one's people by which I presume Carmelo meant a person's BT's and Clusters.

Lakey, more data is not needed. This isn't something to think about. The LRH tone scale is an excellent guide. Like it or not, agree with it or not, it is obvious to any observer that dead is dead and alive is different than dead. The auditor's goal is to do something for the pc/client. That's different than doing something to the pc/client.

I love the tone scale. I never made the connection that that it gave the answers to get PC's to permeate, own and act with their people. Your suggestion to use the tone scale to accomplish this is helpful. It is the type of thing I was requesting of Carmelo.

Your first two lines are similar to MAB assertions. "More data is not needed." "This isn't something to think about."

The Like it or not...dead is dead and alive is different than dead is non sequitor to me. I don't understand what point you are making by saying that.

A rise in tone on any given subject, or an overall rise on life in general, means something has been done for the pc/client. A rise in tone is an indicator of what is happening in the pc/client universe. That alone is no indicator of the pc/client ability to manifest other things, objective things that the rest of us can observe. Taking mo' money to the bank, betta' relationships, all the abilities espoused on the Grade Chart, these things are valuable if/when attained. But all that begins with a rise in tone.

I don't have any disagreements with this paragraph but I don't see how it ties in with the topic being discussed.

ACW's talk and writing on "mood" parallels tone.

When the pc/client/student is pointed in the direction of LIFE, he will eventually take to it like a duck takes to water. It is a natural thing. Then, yes, then the pc/client/student will begin to understand permeation, pervasion, and even confront. These things are experienced, not thought about. Data will get the pc/client/student pointed in the right direction, but only DOING, only walking the walk spoken about in the data will get the pc/client/student high on life. A pc/client afraid to experience whatever and afraid to allow others to experience whatever will never get there.

It is not my experience that when pc/client/student is pointed in the direction of LIFE, he will eventually take to it like a duck takes to water.

Quite the contrary, my experience has been that it takes a lot more than just pointing a client in the right direction. The client's case will often put up huge barriers resisting the things that will help him/her. Someone has to work with the person to get them through these barriers. Once they get going to a certain degree and they are in better control of their case, then I would agree with you.You have all the data.

(And BTW, that's another word that disgust me. Data. )

I don't have all the data I need. I asked for more data from Carmelo and you say that I already have all I need. Despite saying that, you then supplied some helpful data about how the tone scale can be put to use which I found helpful. I also found a couple other of your points useful.

BTW - What's with the sentnece that the auditor's goal is to do something for the client and not to the client? To me it seems to imply that someone is violating that precept. I am also picking up that the someone is me. If that is what your are suggesting, I do not know why you would think that. I go out of my way to do things for my clients, that is what I am all about.

In your post you used 3 MAB type pontifications:

"more data is not needed"
"this is not something to think about"
"you have all the data"

Have you and MAB been taking the same class? (just joking)

As to the word data, I am comfortable with it and find it a very useful word. If the word disgusts you I do not think that is something I would want to emulate and adopt as my own condition. Thanks for telling me and the board that it disgusts you.

For many months now, you have been writing post after post which I considered brilliant. On this one above, I did not feel that it was up to your normal standard. There was however some helpful "data" which I picked up and I thank your for that.
Lakey

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Sea of Life. Yes, I agree. This is what I see. This is what I feel. This is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

Given the above being the case, as I see it, auditing off BT's and clusters becomes an exercise in futility. Auditing off charge, upset, confusion, all that which is not the being in question, yes, that is possible. It gives the impression that something is leaving. But that something is not the being unless it chooses to pack up its case taking it and self to the train station.

Even by scientology's own scripture, beings have no location in time or space except by consideration. Remove that or those considerations then whatcha got? It has always been my view that beings do not move as if they are ghosts traveling around the universe. They simply are. They move or position themselves by consideration. And, boy, do beings have considerations. They have oodles of them. Thus they are positioned allovertheplace! Blowing beings off is a concept not grounded in scientology's own axioms.

And should the auditor succeed in blowing the BT off, then what? The auditor gets bigger, feels he can reach more then one day he is confronting and auditing his old BT buddy at a new location.

This is great stuff for managing the org's GI. A never-ending process. Promise total freedom. Deliver enslavement. Scientology, ain't it grand?

Face

 

[lkwdblds]

Just one small comment

Sea of Life. Yes, I agree. This is what I see. This is what I feel. This is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

Given the above being the case, as I see it, auditing off BT's and clusters becomes an exercise in futility. Auditing off charge, upset, confusion, all that which is not the being in question, yes, that is possible. It gives the impression that something is leaving. But that something is not the being unless it chooses to pack up its case taking it and self to the train station.

Even by scientology's own scripture, beings have no location in time or space except by consideration. Remove that or those considerations then whatcha got? It has always been my view that beings do not move as if they are ghosts traveling around the universe. They simply are. They move or position themselves by consideration. And, boy, do beings have considerations. They have oodles of them. Thus they are positioned allovertheplace! Blowing beings off is a concept not grounded in scientology's own axioms.

And should the auditor succeed in blowing the BT off, then what? The auditor gets bigger, feels he can reach more then one day he is confronting and auditing his old BT buddy at a new location.

This is great stuff for managing the org's GI. A never-ending process. Promise total freedom. Deliver enslavement. Scientology, ain't it grand?

All the paragraphs are fine and I love the post but I had one comment on the second to last paragraph.

I don't know if BT's actually exist as separate entities. At this point, I more align with Hat's views that they are actually parts of the pre OT's case or something of that nature. From what Candy has been telling me, I believe she also aligns with Hat's concepts. Don't take that as the truth but thats my understanding of what she has been saying. Often I am wrong when I try to repeat what she is saying.

If BT's are separate entities, I see value in getting a BT to leave if it is doing a negative action against you. First, you need to get into communication with it, acknowledge it for doing what it has been doing, flow admiration to it and get it to look at the fact that it is its own being and get it to see that it has the portential to have a life of its own and lead that life rather than being appended to your life. If the being is cleaned up and sees things in that manner, then it may choose to leave and get a new life of its own.

Should you then encounter that same being later on in auditing or in this life or a future life, you would not be running OT 3 or NOTS on it because it is now running a life separate from yours. The only way you would be running it is if it was in an incident with you. I see no harm in this and feel that it is better than continuing on with that being continuing to do the negative action against you.

On the other hand, if the being is really just a residual part of you, as in Hat's concept, then getting it to leave right away and stop its negative action against you would be good for you and nobody would be injured. Only if it was part of another being and you returned it to the other being's ownership would there be a possibility of the other being being harmed.
Lakey

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Maybe you better get the Vet to give your dog a colonic. With that list in its stomach he is bound to develop some weird traits.

Thanks for that earlier list of bad posts. That was really clever. Everyone who ever posted on this thread can take a bow on that one.

I don't know why Facebook is not letting those photos beo viewed. When I do it on my computer, they come up perfectly. Why not go to Candy Swanson's Facebook account Hats (or other interested parties). They are there in her most recent albums, very easy to view. I don't see how doing that would not work.
Gary

Nah, lakey...he didn't get sick at all...but he sure has been unusually opinionated lately.

Face