The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[afaceinthecrowd]

I understand what you said. Obviously some others don't. They are living from their viewpoint and their experience with life.....you are living from yours. You seem to have an ability to do this.....they don't seem to have that same ability. Not having an ability that someone else has can be very frustrating and can make one antagonistic or hostile toward the one who does have the ability. And sometimes one who has the ability can't understand or see why the other person doesn't have that ability or why they can't see that it's possible. Differences in abilities, experience and realities create problems with communication and understanding one another, and build up charge. Such is my view of this life that we are living. That's my take on what's happening on that other thread.

Yep!

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

I knew that Chrysler took a brief foray into ownership in the British market in the 1960's. GM had a huge German arm, the Opel, and Ford had a large arm featuring the Taunus and other models. Chrysler wanted to play suit and go international so they bought Sunbeam, I believe it was, in England. They did build in Canada, of course, but they wanted the overseas type of International Company.

I remember ads for the Sunbeam Alpine sports car under the Chysler banner in the 60's. The Chrysler venture in England did not get too far and then they sold out. Did they sell Sunbeam to the British or was it a French company which bought it up.

I do remember the Hillman Minx, perhaps in the early 50's. Before VW started to get big in the US marketplace, the British sold the only foreign cars you would see in the USA except perhaps for a handful of exotic Italian sports cars.

The MG and the Jaguar were probably the two biggest import sellers in the US. Also sold were the Morgan, the Hillman Minx and I believe the Sunbeam. I have a picture of the Hillman Minx in my mind and know what they look like so they must have been sold here when I was a kid.

Minx is a catchy name for a compact car. A guy could buy a Minx as his first car, move up to a Mercury Cougar and then when he was a yuppy and was making big money, he could move up to a Jaguar. Such a kid would be a very Kool Kat!

NEW REALIZATION!!
Lots of car lines are named for cats but none have ever been named for dogs. Why is that? Why, there could be a VW Dachshund or a Buick Bulldog. The Chevrolet Cocker Spaniel as not good for obvious reasons.

YIKES I DO REMEMBER A CAR THAT WAS NAMED FOR A DOG IN THE EARLY 1930, THE WILLYS WHIPPET! Whippets are sleek and quick, almost cat like. How about the Dodge Greyhound, that might make sense?

Here is something more on Willys, containing mention of the Whippet:

"The Short Flight of Aero Willys

The name “Willys” conjures up thoughts of Jeeps and their many variations, not ordinary passenger cars. This is despite the fact that the Jeep’s ancestor, the Overland, was second only to Ford from 1912 to 1918, and that until World War II Willys trucks were relatively rare. The company’s Whippet was the third-best selling car in 1928, and in 1933 all large cars like the Willys-Knights were ditched in favor of the compact and low-priced Willys 77, which progressed through several stages, the last of which were called “Americar.” Trucks during this period comprised pickup versions of the cars.

After the war, Willys had hopes of returning to cars. In fact, some attractive designs were penned by designer Brooks Stevens and a prototype sedan was built. However, the difficulties of resuming production dictated concepts that were simple to manufacture, and so the perpendicular wagons (another Stevens design)were the closest thing to cars to emanate from the Toledo factories. Later on, of course, came the sporty Jeepster, a passenger car for sure.

Model year 1952 marked Willys-Overland’s return to cars. Styled by Phil Wright, whose prior art included the Pierce Silver Arrow and the 1935 Ford, and engineer Clyde Paton, the new Aero model was a small (108-inch wheelbase) unibody car with lots of interior room. There were three series, entry-level Lark, mid-range Wing and top-of-the-line Ace, the latter with a wrap-around rear window. An Eagle hardtop coupe was added in mid-year, with its own upmarket interior. Powered by the Willys 161 cid six-cylinder engines (L-head in the Lark, F-head in Wing and Ace), the cars were decent performers, and cheaper, though less well appointed, than Nash’s Rambler.

For 1953, a Falcon series was added above Lark, and four-door models became available in all series. In 1954, cars got new taillights and bumper guards. The Falcon was dropped and Deluxe, Custom and Special trim levels were added.

Willys Motors was acquired by Henry J. Kaiser during 1953. Kaiser was mostly after the Jeeps, but a spiffed-up Aero was trotted out for 1955, the hardtop now called “Bermuda.” After some 6,000 cars were sold the dies were shipped to Brazil, where, with new Brooks Stevens sheet metal, production continued until 1972. Thereafter, however, the closest thing to a passenger car to emanate from Willys in the USA was the Wagoneer."

Lakey (The story on Willys is not by me. I Googled it and cut and pasted it here.)

You forgot the Rolls Royce Phantom and Silver Cloud, Morris Minor, Triumph TR-2, TR-3 and a little later the Tr-4 and Spitfire, Austin Healey Sprite and, my favorite even over the Jag, the Austin Healey 3000...man, now there was a machine.

One thing those Brits could sure enough do was build cars and motorcycles that made your heart pound and your crotch throb. The only thing wrong with them was that you either had to be rich or a pretty good mechanic to keep 'em running.

Face

 

[RogerB]

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Minx is a catchy name for a compact car. A guy could buy a Minx as his first car, move up to a Mercury Cougar and then when he was a yuppy and was making big money, he could move up to a Jaguar. Such a kid would be a very Kool Kat!

NEW REALIZATION!!
Lots of car lines are named for cats but none have ever been named for dogs. Why is that? Why, there could be a VW Dachshund or a Buick Bulldog. The Chevrolet Cocker Spaniel as not good for obvious reasons.

YIKES I DO REMEMBER A CAR THAT WAS NAMED FOR A DOG IN THE EARLY 1930, THE WILLYS WHIPPET! Whippets are sleek and quick, almost cat like. How about the Dodge Greyhound, that might make sense?

Here is something more on Willys, containing mention of the Whippet:

Lakey, That's because we speak of (to mis-spell as you did) Kool Kats, but clumsy dogs . . . . except sleek whippets and greyhounds

We can ignore the French with their car named as a lemon!

Ya, Chrysler took over the Brit Roots Group that made the Hillman, and the Humber Super Snipe. The Humber was a large, quality car that was used by the UK Government as the car Ministers of the Crown were driven about in. Luxury personified

I had one in my days in the UK, a station wagon version . . . that was an elegant piece of equipment . . . . but when Chrysler took over, their idea of "service" and of running a profitable enterprise was to stop making spare parts for continued supply for owners! And that put a crimp in the works in my continued enjoyment of their "product."

I vowed I'd never again buy or have anything to do with Chrysler!

GM were also operating a big presence in the UK . . . the Vauxhall Company was theirs.

But, alas, the British motor car industry, except for some of those quintessential lovelies like Morgan, Aston Martin, etc., is nor more. Either all dead, buried and killed by the Trade Union excesses or taken over as brand names and operated by overseas companies (if, in fact, any are made in England)

Rog

R

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

The Carmello Fello wrote: "In the United States, when Bill Clinton was President, there was a move by the opposition party to get him thrown out of office. Two successive Speakers of the House were forced to resign. Both of them had worked at opposing Bill Clinton. Bill had gotten blow jobs in his White House office. The Speakers of the House each had to resign their membership in Congress because of their own extra marital affairs. My contention is that acting as an 'anti' anything merely empowers the opposition, and it weakens one's own foundation."

El Rum Tubbard wrote, "A negative postulate is the postulate to not be. It cancels past postulates and it also cancels, in greater or lesser degree, the entire individual. (AP&A)" Someone says, "I know your type. You are a Scientologists! (redneck, liberal-progressive, John Bircher, Neo-Con, wife beater, cock sucker, etc.)" Any denial is a setup to postulate against yourself. In truth, or maybe that should be capital "TRUTH," a being has the potential to be anything. Why go into denial over your very nature?

As a response when in heated debate with a known idiot, I like to agree with its perceptions: "Yes, of course I am a (redneck, liberal-progressive, John Bircher, Neo-Con, wife beater, cock sucker, etc.). What's your point?

Find out the nature of the complaint then TR-3 your own point that likely had little or nothing to do with the debater's assertion.

And keep in mind Mr. Baker's quote below:

I have a tendency to sometimes “personalize” things too quickly…it’s something I’m still trying to get over…it can be very unattractive.

Face

 

[RogerB]

You forgot the Rolls Royce Phantom and Silver Cloud, Morris Minor, Triumph TR-2, TR-3 and a little later the Tr-4 and Spitfire, Austin Healey Sprite and, my favorite even over the Jag, the Austin Healey 3000...man, now there was a machine.

One thing those Brits could sure enough do was build cars and motorcycles that made your heart pound and your crotch throb. The only thing wrong with them was that you either had to be rich or a pretty good mechanic to keep 'em running.

Face

Ya, Face is, as usual quite right. Brit engineering was quite exquisite. Many advances produced. The Morgan developed and to this day holds the patents on the difinitive, best front end suspension system, and being magnanimous, allowing for suitable recognition, others to use it

The British sports cars, made for the average guy were wonderful: the TR, Austin Healy, MG, etc, . . . and the expensive jobs, magnificent!

Face, you'll probably remember the Vincent . . . wodda motor bike!

By the way, I saw a Triumph "Triple" a couple of weeks ago . . . it's a monster 3 cylinder job . . . beautiful lines. I could hardly believe my eyes.

But one of my favorite lovelies was a little known car named: The Riley . . . . Pictures not taking at the moment but here's the the Wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_(motor-car)

and Google pics
http://www.google.com/images?hl=&q=...yGOYGglAfEoPz-AQ&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=941&bih=550

Rog

 

[Gottabrain]

GB....Yvonne has been dead for over 33 years.

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Sorry, I mixed up two different Yvonnes.

 

[purple haze]

Cupertino aloha

Congrats to all the graduates! Sounds like you guys had a fun trip. Candy's daughter has her same spunky spirit!
Hey Lakey, you ARE looking good! Have you lost some weight lately? I think so! The camera loves you, so do more videos! You and Candy both!

Thanks Sweetness! Gary looks and acts great! And it's all his doing, altho he may blame me for some of it! LOL
Here are some more photos for all of you to enjoy.

aloha,

purple haze

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

You forgot the Rolls Royce Phantom and Silver Cloud, Morris Minor, Triumph TR-2, TR-3 and a little later the Tr-4 and Spitfire, Austin Healey Sprite and, my favorite even over the Jag, the Austin Healey 3000...man, now there was a machine.

One thing those Brits could sure enough do was build cars and motorcycles that made your heart pound and your crotch throb. The only thing wrong with them was that you either had to be rich or a pretty good mechanic to keep 'em running.

Face

Let's not forget Lucas, Prince of Darkness.

 

[Gottabrain]

...Minx is a catchy name for a compact car. A guy could buy a Minx as his first car, move up to a Mercury Cougar and then when he was a yuppy and was making big money, he could move up to a Jaguar. Such a kid would be a very Kool Kat!NEW REALIZATION!!
Lots of car lines are named for cats but none have ever been named for dogs. Why is that? Why, there could be a VW Dachshund or a Buick Bulldog. The Chevrolet Cocker Spaniel as not good for obvious reasons.

YIKES I DO REMEMBER A CAR THAT WAS NAMED FOR A DOG IN THE EARLY 1930, THE WILLYS WHIPPET! Whippets are sleek and quick, almost cat like. How about the Dodge Greyhound, that might make sense?

Mmmm...Mercury Cougar...I sort of went off into dreamland there and missed the rest. My favourite car I ever owned. This one below was mine. Pushed it to 120 mph. Great fun!

 

[Ted]

The Dalai Lama Says...

Dalai Lama: Although there is no certainty about what lies ahead, people live with the hope that all will go well for them. It is impossible to fulfill our life when we are utterly discouraged. But if we manage to keep our hopes in the future alive, we will be able to overcome all sorts of difficulties and go on living.

 

[Ted]

Keep this in mind before, during, and after your flame wars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOgcNpGCqQc&feature=player_embedded

 

[RogerB]

Very good that Vid, Ted.

A very good, intelligent message.

R

 

[Infinite]

Keep this in mind before, during, and after your flame wars:

Heh!! Very good. When things get a bit heated I like to remind myself of this one, its an oldie but a goodie:

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[afaceinthecrowd]

Ya, Face is, as usual quite right. Brit engineering was quite exquisite. Many advances produced. The Morgan developed and to this day holds the patents on the difinitive, best front end suspension system, and being magnanimous, allowing for suitable recognition, others to use it

The British sports cars, made for the average guy were wonderful: the TR, Austin Healy, MG, etc, . . . and the expensive jobs, magnificent!

Face, you'll probably remember the Vincent . . . wodda motor bike!

By the way, I saw a Triumph "Triple" a couple of weeks ago . . . it's a monster 3 cylinder job . . . beautiful lines. I could hardly believe my eyes.

But one of my favorite lovelies was a little known car named: The Riley . . . . Pictures not taking at the moment but here's the the Wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_(motor-car)

and Google pics
http://www.google.com/images?hl=&q=...yGOYGglAfEoPz-AQ&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=941&bih=550

Rog

Oh Gawd! You got me talking motorcycles again.

Yep Rog, the Vincent Black Shadow was a helluva machine and the Black Lightening was even more of a monster…very fast, pretty and nimble.

As I posted here before, I had a Royal Enfield Interceptor…also very fast, pretty and nimble. The Vincent Black Lightening was the fastest production bike in the world for a number of years until they went out of business around ’55.

The Enfield Interceptor was the world’s fastest production bike from the early ‘60’s until ’70, when they went out of business (the Norton Commando took over from there for awhile). The trick of getting the performance out of the Interceptor was in the tuning. With Factory tuning, top speed was listed at 115 mph…I had mine up to 130 mph and there was still some left. With dynamically balanced crankshaft, fused frame and pan, high compression heads and high torque output the Royal Enfield Interceptor was very versatile and performed fabulously in all types of riding…from highway cruising to mountain road café racing. With a 410 lb. wet weight, the Interceptor’s power to weight ration was a hairs width less than the Vincent Black Lightening but the Enfield had a fistful more torque out put.

Back in the “Old Days” (60’s to early ‘70’s) I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to take the following bikes for a spin:

Vincent Black Shadow, Ariel Square Four, Triumph Bonneville, BSA Rocket, Norton Commando, Brough Superior.

Face

PS: Loved the Riley!

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Ernest Borgnine was on KEarth 101 in LA this morning. He's 94.

He won the Oscar in 1952 for "Marty"

He said a pretty girl handed it to him. He didn't remember her name.

Grace Kelly.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Let's not forget Lucas, Prince of Darkness.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Keep this in mind before, during, and after your flame wars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOgcNpGCqQc&feature=player_embedded

let me get this straight. you posted that for me, but I shouldn't take it personally.

it is all about moi

 

[purple haze]

aloha

Keep this in mind before, during, and after your flame wars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOgcNpGCqQc&feature=player_embedded

LOVELY! MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY! ALOHA, PURPLE HAZE Candy

 

[lkwdblds]

A lot of nice British cars were for sale in the U.S.

You forgot the Rolls Royce Phantom and Silver Cloud, Morris Minor, Triumph TR-2, TR-3 and a little later the Tr-4 and Spitfire, Austin Healey Sprite and, my favorite even over the Jag, the Austin Healey 3000...man, now there was a machine.

One thing those Brits could sure enough do was build cars and motorcycles that made your heart pound and your crotch throb. The only thing wrong with them was that you either had to be rich or a pretty good mechanic to keep 'em running.

Face

Yep, I missed a lot of good ones. The Austin Healy 3000 was a really fine machine in paticular. My cousin Sharon got herself a new Austin Healy Sprite. The Triumph line was quite nice starting with the TR2. I remember a magazine ad where they were bragging that the TR2 could accelerate 0 to 50 mph in "only" 8 seconds (0 to 60 was around 12.2 seconds. In today's market this is incredibly slow even for a small 4 cylinder economy car.

Most people won't remember it but Triumph brought out a nice family sedan, the Triumph Herald. My Mom brought one home for a 2 day trial. We all loved it but my parents chickened out because they feared that it was too rare, i.e. if they were out of town on the highway and had a breakdown, the parts to fix it would be hard to get. Instead, my Mom bought a Dodge Dart.
The James Bond movies made the Aston Martin brand well known and that has remained a fine sports car over the years.

Lakey

 

[Ted]

let me get this straight. you posted that for me, but I shouldn't take it personally.

it is all about moi

It was a serendipitous find. We are all connected so don't take it personally.

A short while back I posted a comment from ACW that ties into the same topic. I have something to write up on that but I'll be damned if I can find it now. Not that I need ACW as a source. I have an LRH quote on same. Not that I need LRH as source. It's just that I find it easier to reach people in the different minds they are using if I can reference something familiar, or something they respect, or even disrespect.

I'll find it... eventually...