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Hatshepsut

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Actually I don't drink beer Lakey. :no: I like to swill Bacardi gold mixed with water, no ice. Kinda like an 1800s deck hand. :thumbsup:

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I do have friends who can put away a case a day.
 
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lkwdblds

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Which Flag did you sail under in the 1800's?

Hatshepsut said:
Actually I don't drink beer Lakey. :no: I like to swill Bacardi gold mixed with water, no ice. Kinda like an 1800s deck hand. :thumbsup:

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I do have friends who can put away a case a day.
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I don't want to pry into your case but I'm just curious which Flag you sailed under in the 1800's if you did sail at that time as I am guessing. I see you as more of a British subject but I can see you as French or Spanish as well.

Heavens, you didn't sail under the Skull and Cross bones did you? Check out our old friend Wallace Beery in his days of playing Long John Silver? In this 1934 clip, he is not a pirate but seems to be sailing for England.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNd3p4l8rXE&NR=1
Lakey
 
lkwdblds

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An answer to Face's Shooting Starts - Part Eleven

afaceinthecrowd said:
For those that have an interest, I have posted "Shooting Stars", Part Eleven.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=557514&postcount=216

Face:)
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I posted a reply to Face on his Shooting Stars thread. Here is a reprint for this thread.

Outstanding Post! It answers questions in an area which was still fuzzy with me. The area I'm talking about is what LRH intended for C of S once he was physically gone. I had visualized three possible scenarios as follows:

#1 - LRH wanted Scientology to expand and spread throughout the world as much as possible. In this scenario, LRH should have written up his various Hats and picked the most able people to step in and fill his shoes as per his Power Change Formula. It appeared that he started to do this with his selection of David Mayo to be the top technical person in Scn, with instructions to Mayo to incorporate himself as a separate entity apart from the orgs. Also, there was LRH's appointment of Bill Franks which tended towards Option #1. That option quickly came to a grinding halt, Mayo and Franks were both kicked out and declared SP's, so what happened?

#2 - In option #2, LRH became ill, had heart attacks and strokes causing brain damage. DM got control of LRH's comm lines and DM just decided that he was going to take over and he was able to keep LRH, who no longer was functioning anywhere near full capacity, behind the scenes while DM wrested control of C of S away from any rivals, using viscious and unscrupulous tactics.

#3 - Someone suggested a 3rd option to me and that was that LRH DID NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS GONE. HE HAD NO INTEREST IN BETTERING CONDITIONS ON THE PLANET AND HE DECIDED TO JUST WALK AWAY AND LET WHO WAS LEFT BEHIND BATTLE FOR CONTROL. THE MOST RUTHLESS PERSON WOULD WIN OUT AND LRH WAS OKAY WITH THAT.

Now Face presents a 4th option. If I understand Face correctly, I get that LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left and that he knowingly put CMO into power as the senior management body while he destroyed the Mission Holders, using CMO, under his direction and then willingly allowed CMO to kick out all the loyal old timers and run things using viscious young punks who knew nothing of Scientology or its past and just knew that they took their orders unwaveringly from DM.

This gives we who are interested in figuring all this out a lot of food for thought.
Lakey
 
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lkwdblds said:
I posted a reply to Face on his Shooting Stars thread. Here is a reprint for this thread. ...
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Multiple copies of the same post on a board is very inefficient and constitutes a waste of computing resources. It requires multiple copies of the data being kept in the database. As a result smart posters don't do it.

If you must have the same text made easily available in multiple places then do as Face did and post a link. It's a smarter use of available resources.


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Veda

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lkwdblds said:
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Now Face presents a 4th option. If I understand Face correctly, I get that LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left and that he knowingly put CMO into power as the senior management body while he destroyed the Mission Holders, using CMO, under his direction and then willingly allowed CMO to kick out all the loyal old timers and run things using viscious young punks

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Face is correct.
 
afaceinthecrowd

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lkwdblds said:
I posted a reply to Face on his Shooting Stars thread. Here is a reprint for this thread.

Outstanding Post! It answers questions in an area which was still fuzzy with me. The area I'm talking about is what LRH intended for C of S once he was physically gone. I had visualized three possible scenarios as follows:

#1 - LRH wanted Scientology to expand and spread throughout the world as much as possible. In this scenario, LRH should have written up his various Hats and picked the most able people to step in and fill his shoes as per his Power Change Formula. It appeared that he started to do this with his selection of David Mayo to be the top technical person in Scn, with instructions to Mayo to incorporate himself as a separate entity apart from the orgs. Also, there was LRH's appointment of Bill Franks which tended towards Option #1. That option quickly came to a grinding halt, Mayo and Franks were both kicked out and declared SP's, so what happened?

#2 - In option #2, LRH became ill, had heart attacks and strokes causing brain damage. DM got control of LRH's comm lines and DM just decided that he was going to take over and he was able to keep LRH, who no longer was functioning anywhere near full capacity, behind the scenes while DM wrested control of C of S away from any rivals, using viscious and unscrupulous tactics.

#3 - Someone suggested a 3rd option to me and that was that LRH DID NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS GONE. HE HAD NO INTEREST IN BETTERING CONDITIONS ON THE PLANET AND HE DECIDED TO JUST WALK AWAY AND LET WHO WAS LEFT BEHIND BATTLE FOR CONTROL. THE MOST RUTHLESS PERSON WOULD WIN OUT AND LRH WAS OKAY WITH THAT.

Now Face presents a 4th option. If I understand Face correctly, I get that LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left and that he knowingly put CMO into power as the senior management body while he destroyed the Mission Holders, using CMO, under his direction and then willingly allowed CMO to kick out all the loyal old timers and run things using viscious young punks who knew nothing of Scientology or its past and just knew that they took their orders unwaveringly from DM.

This gives we who are interested in figuring all this out a lot of food for thought.
Lakey
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My reply to Lakey.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=557834&postcount=232

Face:)
 
Veda

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afaceinthecrowd said:
What I don't, personally, see as correct in Lakey's statment is the, "LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left...". I did not think that my words implied that.

Face:)
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Yep. There's always a drawback to agreeing with some one's paraphrasing of an other's statement, but I figured that lkwdblds was in the ball park, so I gave the thumbs up.

If possible, if you could re-post or link your original statement that would be good, especially since this is an area about which many Zoner and Independent Scientologists are in deep denial.
 
lkwdblds

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After reading Face's #11, my #4 popped into my mind.

afaceinthecrowd said:
What I don't, personally, see as correct in Lakey's statment is the, "LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left...". I did not think that my words implied that.

Face:)
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Face, I had 3 possibilities or conjectures about LRH's exit strategy when he knew he was dying. After reading your Installment #11, a 4th conjecture or possiblity popped into my mind. I WAS NOT MAKING A STATEMENT! I only added one new conjecture as to what MAY have happened.

The way I was reading your text was that LRH was not blase' or neutral right before his death. It seemed to me that, from what you said, he was taking special pains to make sure that a DM type management philosophy, based on CMO people and execs being in charge, took over. That is what I got from reading your Installment #11.

It is very possible that I misduplicated you and if I did, I want to be corrected. Nevertheless, the point is that after I read your post, I could see a 4th possibility for LRH's exit strategy. I saw that after reading your post! It does NOT mean that you feel that way yourself or you designed your post so that others would reach that conclusion. I just happen to see it that way.

As Chick Hearn, the late great basketball announcer used to say, "No harm, no foul!"
Lakey

PS: I reread what I wrote to you Face and am reproducing it here.:

Now Face presents a 4th option. If I understand Face correctly, I get that LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left.....

I should not have said that Face presents a 4th option. The proper wording should have been, "A 4th option popped into my mind after reading Face's post. If I understand Face correctly, I get that .......
 
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Veda

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It's best just to read Face's thread on this http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=21698

From Face's 'Shooting Stars' thread:

afaceinthecrowd said:
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Other chats with other folks, inside and outside the SO, and my own observations and experiences confirmed for me that, most likely, Bill Franks was gonna wind up getting creamed. The CMO was gonna be “It” and that’s how El Ron wanted it.

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Knowing El Ron, the “New Guard”, the “Old Guard” and the Mission Holder’s as I did it was obvious that a “Civil War” was coming and El Ron and Hisself’s “New Guard” was gonna “Win”

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afaceinthecrowd

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Veda said:
Yep. There's always a drawback to agreeing with some one's paraphrasing of an other's statement, but I figured that lkwdblds was in the ball park, so I gave the thumbs up.

If possible, if you could re-post or link your original statement that would be good, especially since this is an area about which many Zoner and Independent Scientologists are in deep denial.
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Thank you, Veda.

Which original statement are you you referring to? I quoted and reposted my original statement,


"My premise is all that "edifice"—the Orgs’ Missions, Red “Tech”, Green “Tech”, etc—is the artifact construct of El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP; “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

in my first response to Lakey, which I provided a link to already earlier in this thread and said at that time it was from, "Shooting Stars" Part Nine. In "Shooting Stars" Part Nine I said that the statment was from an earlier post I had made. Several weeks ago on the "Shooting Stars" thread I posted a link to the Post where I made that statement, which which was on the Apollo thread last year. I've already, on this thread nearly a year ago, said what Lakey has said in his option #4 as a alternative opinion that he thinks I've opened up. I don't disagree with most of his statement, which is basically rewrking what I have said before, more than a few time on ESMB. However I do disagree with part of it, have now said so specifically and, once I answer his latest response to me, I'm moving on and finishing what I set out to do.

Face:)
 
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Veda

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afaceinthecrowd said:
Thank you, Veda.

Which original statement are you you referring to? I quoted and reposted my original statement,


"My premise is all that "edifice"—the Orgs’ Missions, Red “Tech”, Green “Tech”, etc—is the artifact construct of El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP; “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

in my first response to Lakey, which I provided a link to already earlier in this thread and said at that time it was from, "Shooting Stars" Part Nine. In "Shooting Stars" Part Nine I said that the statment was from an earlier post I had made. Several weeks ago on the "Shooting Stars" thread I posted a link to the Post where i made that statement, which which was on the Apollo thread. I've alreeday, on this thread nearly a year ago said what Lkaey was has said in his option"4 as a alternative opinion that he thinks I've opened up. I don't disagree with most of his statement, which is basically rewrking what I have said before, more thatn a few time on ESMB. However I do disagree with part of it, have now said so specifically and, once I answer his latest response to me, I'm moving on and finishing what I set out to do.

Face:)
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Not necessary to locate any particular original statement.:) In the post above this one I placed a link to the 'Shooting Stars' thread, and snipped a small piece of a post from it, recommending that it's best to read that thread.
 
CarmeloOrchards

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Veda said:
Not necessary to locate any particular original statement.:) In the post above this one I placed a link to the 'Shooting Stars' thread, and snipped a small piece of a post from it, recommending that it's best to read that thread.
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as Dr. Watson, no doubt said, "No shit!, Sherlock."

(his writings were not accurate to exact wordings.) :)
 
afaceinthecrowd

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lkwdblds said:
Face, I had 3 possibilities or conjectures about LRH's exit strategy when he knew he was dying. After reading your Installment #11, a 4th conjecture or possiblity popped into my mind. I WAS NOT MAKING A STATEMENT! I only added one new conjecture as to what MAY have happened.

The way I was reading your text was that LRH was not blase' or neutral right before his death. It seemed to me that, from what you said, he was taking special pains to make sure that a DM type management philosophy, based on CMO people and execs being in charge, took over. That is what I got from reading your Installment #11.

It is very possible that I misduplicated you and if I did, I want to be corrected. Nevertheless, the point is that after I read your post, I could see a 4th possibility for LRH's exit strategy. I saw that after reading your post! It does NOT mean that you feel that way yourself or you designed your post so that others would reach that conclusion. I just happen to see it that way.

As Chick Hearn, the late great basketball announcer used to say, "No harm, no foul!"
Lakey

PS: I reread what I wrote to Face and am reproducing it here.:

Now Face presents a 4th option. If I understand Face correctly, I get that LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left.....

I should not have said that Face presents a 4th option. The proper wording should have been, "A 4th option popped into my mind after reading Face's post. If I understand Face correctly, I get that .......
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No, you were implying/inferring/extrapolating that I had made a statement...which, functionally, is a re-statement...that I clearly had not made.

Here is an additional comment I have re: your most recent post on the "Shooting Stars" Thread.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=557953&postcount=241

Lakey, I would think that in my thousands of words I have posted on ESMB regarding El Ron and the CMO that what should be abundantly clear is my "Take" is that El Ron handed the “keys to the Kingdom” for four reasons; Protection, Extortion, Enforcement and Execution with Blind Obedience, Graven Fealty and Wonton Willing-ness in the Performance Thereof.

Of course, I am certainly not the "Holy Grail" when it comes to El Ron so you are very free to analyze whatever you wish about Hisself...but I'd appreciate it if you could refrain from misquoting me and putting words in my mouth, devining "real" intents "behind" what I've said and "explaining" my "thoughts" and "meanings" to others for me.


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FoTi

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lkwdblds said:
I don't want to pry into your case but I'm just curious which Flag you sailed under in the 1800's if you did sail at that time as I am guessing. I see you as more of a British subject but I can see you as French or Spanish as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNd3p4l8rXE&NR=1
Lakey
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Why is one's past life always referred to as one's case?

Is everything that happened before right now one's case, just because it's a past memory?
 
Hatshepsut

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Originally posted by Lakey.

I don't want to pry into your case but I'm just curious which Flag you sailed under in the 1800's if you did sail at that time as I am guessing. I see you as more of a British subject but I can see you as French or Spanish as well.


Heavens, you didn't sail under the Skull and Cross bones did you? Check out our old friend Wallace Beery in his days of playing Long John Silver? In this 1934 clip, he is not a pirate but seems to be sailing for England.
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When we had our Hurricane Charlie in Fla in 2004 hitting us with compact force, I got some associated recalls. I was in the center of the state and I'd not been affected for 40 yrs. I was shocked. I had a flasback or two. I got out some old maps on the pc and checked to date locate my memories.

I came from a Portuguese family that had interests in shipping and spices. I was in Argentina early on. It seems my position of command was inherent on family money though I proved competent. I spoke French too. I was associated with them but
my vessel was a Spanish prize, go figure. I ended up near the Southern Louisiana coast. The British were there. I did not want to be seen by them. There was a big hurricane. I ended up in some cove like Jean Lafitte taking over Galveston Island and sending his privateered goods into Port Orleans to sell. I was not a privateer. Was in charge of a nice vessel. Islanders brought goods to me as they got them without license and could not put a stamp on things going inland or whatnot. I'm sure I had a racket whereby I profited most. Although I started out allied to Spain, I ended up allied to France and then to just myself. I stayed on my moored ship (office) for 7 yrs in a bay with mostly creoles in a port and no crew. Inventory, beans, dried peppers, etc I did every afternoon and the Caribs took the goods to a market. My ship was a cloistered office. There was war around me and I was getting the spoils quite often. Probably could've been hung by anyone at any time. But most likely could buy my way out. An horrendous hurricane washed up a (today I don't know the word) carrier in the shoals. Coin and other documents as good as money. I was very lucky. Actually this was probably around 1746 --1749. Good god, I remember how it was to always feel lucky.
 
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