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Even though it's winter, here in the Sierras, I'm wearing my t shirt and flip flops.

At the hot springs, this morning, some Russian emigre, said I looked like a Beatle.

We are away in the mountains and woods, with two 5 year olds, one teen, and the teen’s friend.

There is internet and phone service where we’re skiing, but only limited internet where we’re sleeping. The fucking beams of the fucking log cabin (literally) are 8 inches wide and 18 inches high. No radio signal could hope to penetrate this outpost.

The 5 year olds, in four days, went from never skiing to skiing an intermediate run with an express lift. no problems.

On a particular slope, where their cousin, a dozen years ago, wiped out on a snowboard (with me "tutoring"), had a concussion, and got helicoptered to the trauma center in Reno, I was telling Miles, the more timid of the two, to go serpentine down it, criss crossing, so he didn’t go too fast.

He said, “No! I want to ski down it,” and he pushed off -- straight down. They were both doing 25-35 miles an hour on a very non bunny slope.

Nic’s friend had never skied. Nic taught his friend everything necessary on an easy gradient. By mid day, both of them were exploring the back side, while Nic made videos of his friend.

Nic was 6, when I took him off his first cornices. Two years later, he was the youngest on the ski team.

His younger sister, Tasha, got stranded here with her aunt and me, one Christmas week (the Thailand Tsunami week), when she was 5, winds were 60 mph, snowfall constant for five days. We were “stuck,” and couldn’t get out with both east and west roads closed. We made the best of it. We skied all day, every day. Tash could go flying down black diamond slopes right with us, by the end of the storm.

The weather, here, and across the US west, has been horribly spring like. SUNNY. but for these five year olds, it has been a really nice gradient. Shirt sleeve skiing. Sunny and gentle, no fighting the elements.

We took them dog sledding. They fell asleep.”Mush” had never been more appropriate. Sergeant Preston won’t be hiring these two warriors for the RCMP.

be that as it may

I think aiding one’s children, grand children, and (hopefully, someday) one’s great grand children to MASTER subjects from skiing to tennis to basketball, soccer, horse back riding, and reading, ‘riting, and ‘rithmetic at an early age gives them a head start on the grown up world - where globalization is the operating phrase. It just doesn’t hurt to have areas in your life, that you have absolute confidence in. That confidence is transferrable. The steps taken to mastery, in a general form, are transferrable.

It is easier when you are 2 or 6 to confront new challenges, and win at them (with your family support group), than it is to try, without support, when you’re 50 or 60.

Don't waste those first five years. Pack them full of meaningful learning, mastering experiences, that they can take with them through their lifetime. Don't nail them to the cross of "non responsibility" "fluffy warm bunny" "not my fault" "I will be taken care of" child like innocence.

Best to learn “how” to win at an early age. The more skills, under one's belt, the better.

When I was 3, I was moving a tractor, with no one sitting next to me, telling me what and when to do it. My father would lean out the kitchen window, with his rifle, and shoot a cow. We'd (my father and I) would skin, clean out the guts, and cut up that cow down by the river.

We would also, play with his boyhood trucks and my tractors, but my BEST memories are where I was doing something, i.e. Collecting eggs, picking cherries, husking walnuts, driving trucks and tractors, disking the orchard, shooting, swimming.

Where I was part of the team.

I think that is what I try to give my children and now, my grand children.

When we're going down the slopes, it is my teen grand son leading with his friend, and the five year olds following, and i'm picking up the fallen, filming, and giving the "lead" to the next next generation. i don't have to be the "hot dog." I don't need to impress the girls anymore.

I do need to foster the next generation(s) in OWNING their space, their environment, their culture, and their future(s).
 
Re: follow up

When I was 3, I was moving a tractor, with no one sitting next to me, telling me what and when to do it. My father would lean out the kitchen window, with his rifle, and shoot a cow. We'd (my father and I) would skin, clean out the guts, and cut up that cow down by the river.

We would also, play with his boyhood trucks and my tractors, but my BEST memories are where I was doing something, i.e. Collecting eggs, picking cherries, husking walnuts, driving trucks and tractors, disking the orchard, shooting, swimming.

Where I was part of the team.

I think that is what I try to give my children and now, my grand children.

When we're going down the slopes, it is my teen grand son leading with his friend, and the five year olds following, and i'm picking up the fallen, filming, and giving the "lead" to the next next generation. i don't have to be the "hot dog." I don't need to impress the girls anymore.

I do need to foster the next generation(s) in OWNING their space, their environment, their culture, and their future(s).

When my daughter was 3:

  • she was handing me nails , while I completely re-roofed our family's home, on a very steep roof.
  • She was skiing, between my legs, going forty miles an hour, by herself, going 15 miles an hour
  • acting on a stage in "The King and I" in front of hundreds in the audience
  • helping my wife and I wallpaper

when she was 4, she was a SAG and AFTRA member, getting $75 an hour minimum.

acting , on the stage, in front of thousands

When she was in 6th grade, she beat a friend of mine, an alpha geek at Apple, at Go (an eastern game of stones and logic).

When she was in 7th grade, she was on the highest rated Nickelodeon series.

When she was in 10th grade, she was the junior winner of the Tevis, the hardest equine endurance race on this planet.

She came with me to Dallas in 1995, when she was 15, and gave a Class Vl, OT, ex ARAMCO exec the session of his life at Alan Walter's center, and she co audited with a Class Vlll, internationally known artist, who did the SHSBC with me.

She graduated cum laude from college and got a Masters from our local University, commonly called "The Farm."

now she is hob nabbing with the president of a country, not to mention Donna Karan, and Sean Penn.

It is about family.

It is about mastery.

It is about team work.

It is about our future, and especially, our children's, and their children's future.
[video=youtube;ztVaqZajq-I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVaqZajq-I[/video]
 
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Re: message from the front

Even though it's winter, here in the Sierras, I'm wearing my t shirt and flip flops.

At the hot springs, this morning, some Russian emigre, said I looked like a Beatle.

We are away in the mountains and woods, with two 5 year olds, one teen, and the teen’s friend.

There is internet and phone service where we’re skiing, but only limited internet where we’re sleeping. The fucking beams of the fucking log cabin (literally) are 8 inches wide and 18 inches high. No radio signal could hope to penetrate this outpost.

The 5 year olds, in four days, went from never skiing to skiing an intermediate run with an express lift. no problems.

On a particular slope, where their cousin, a dozen years ago, wiped out on a snowboard (with me "tutoring"), had a concussion, and got helicoptered to the trauma center in Reno, I was telling Miles, the more timid of the two, to go serpentine down it, criss crossing, so he didn’t go too fast.

He said, “No! I want to ski down it,” and he pushed off -- straight down. They were both doing 25-35 miles an hour on a very non bunny slope.

Nic’s friend had never skied. Nic taught his friend everything necessary on an easy gradient. By mid day, both of them were exploring the back side, while Nic made videos of his friend.

Nic was 6, when I took him off his first cornices. Two years later, he was the youngest on the ski team.

His younger sister, Tasha, got stranded here with her aunt and me, one Christmas week (the Thailand Tsunami week), when she was 5, winds were 60 mph, snowfall constant for five days. We were “stuck,” and couldn’t get out with both east and west roads closed. We made the best of it. We skied all day, every day. Tash could go flying down black diamond slopes right with us, by the end of the storm.

The weather, here, and across the US west, has been horribly spring like. SUNNY. but for these five year olds, it has been a really nice gradient. Shirt sleeve skiing. Sunny and gentle, no fighting the elements.

We took them dog sledding. They fell asleep.”Mush” had never been more appropriate. Sergeant Preston won’t be hiring these two warriors for the RCMP.

be that as it may

I think aiding one’s children, grand children, and (hopefully, someday) one’s great grand children to MASTER subjects from skiing to tennis to basketball, soccer, horse back riding, and reading, ‘riting, and ‘rithmetic at an early age gives them a head start on the grown up world - where globalization is the operating phrase. It just doesn’t hurt to have areas in your life, that you have absolute confidence in. That confidence is transferrable. The steps taken to mastery, in a general form, are transferrable.

It is easier when you are 2 or 6 to confront new challenges, and win at them (with your family support group), than it is to try, without support, when you’re 50 or 60.

Don't waste those first five years. Pack them full of meaningful learning, mastering experiences, that they can take with them through their lifetime. Don't nail them to the cross of "non responsibility" "fluffy warm bunny" "not my fault" "I will be taken care of" child like innocence.

Best to learn “how” to win at an early age. The more skills, under one's belt, the better.

Best to learn “how” to win at an early age. The more skills, under one's belt, the better

I agree. The younger the better. :yes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6yUWoo-xNc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2O5SKlvHko&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RuBgj8EBiI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXtvJuGpudc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo6OZV3pw24&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqacFTRQ7TE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfalNo-kh2s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce217VYWIWs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYeVhRUIYg&noredirect=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SNytfkJD4U&feature=related
 
Re: message from the front

[...]

I think aiding one’s children, grand children, and (hopefully, someday) one’s great grand children to MASTER subjects from skiing to tennis to basketball, soccer, horse back riding, and reading, ‘riting, and ‘rithmetic at an early age gives them a head start on the grown up world - where globalization is the operating phrase. It just doesn’t hurt to have areas in your life, that you have absolute confidence in. That confidence is transferrable. The steps taken to mastery, in a general form, are transferrable.

It is easier when you are 2 or 6 to confront new challenges, and win at them (with your family support group), than it is to try, without support, when you’re 50 or 60.

Don't waste those first five years. Pack them full of meaningful learning, mastering experiences, that they can take with them through their lifetime. Don't nail them to the cross of "non responsibility" "fluffy warm bunny" "not my fault" "I will be taken care of" child like innocence.

Best to learn “how” to win at an early age. The more skills, under one's belt, the better.


Non-underlined text above bolded by me for emphasis.

So true!
 
Re: follow up

When I was 3, I was moving a tractor, with no one sitting next to me, telling me what and when to do it. My father would lean out the kitchen window, with his rifle, and shoot a cow. We'd (my father and I) would skin, clean out the guts, and cut up that cow down by the river.

We would also, play with his boyhood trucks and my tractors, but my BEST memories are where I was doing something, i.e. Collecting eggs, picking cherries, husking walnuts, driving trucks and tractors, disking the orchard, shooting, swimming.

Where I was part of the team.

I think that is what I try to give my children and now, my grand children.

When we're going down the slopes, it is my teen grand son leading with his friend, and the five year olds following, and i'm picking up the fallen, filming, and giving the "lead" to the next next generation. i don't have to be the "hot dog." I don't need to impress the girls anymore.

I do need to foster the next generation(s) in OWNING their space, their environment, their culture, and their future(s).



Beautiful!
 
Re: follow up

When I was 3, I was moving a tractor, with no one sitting next to me, telling me what and when to do it. My father would lean out the kitchen window, with his rifle, and shoot a cow. We'd (my father and I) would skin, clean out the guts, and cut up that cow down by the river.

We would also, play with his boyhood trucks and my tractors, but my BEST memories are where I was doing something, i.e. Collecting eggs, picking cherries, husking walnuts, driving trucks and tractors, disking the orchard, shooting, swimming.

Where I was part of the team.

I think that is what I try to give my children and now, my grand children.

When we're going down the slopes, it is my teen grand son leading with his friend, and the five year olds following, and i'm picking up the fallen, filming, and giving the "lead" to the next next generation. i don't have to be the "hot dog." I don't need to impress the girls anymore.

I do need to foster the next generation(s) in OWNING their space, their environment, their culture, and their future(s).

Wonderful!

Being a city boy never had, or created such matters.

However was very involved in Lazer tag. Played with the best there was.
For many years. The UK team that lost to the US. My son was dragged into this when he was 4 or 5. He did good! Fucked up some good players.
Lost interest. I didn't.

In my recent trip to vegas played it again. First game came 3rd out of
around 25. Needed to check out the arena.

Next two came first.

I'm dangerous in these games!!!
 
Death Penalty

Now for a change of subject:

The following by Prager (dennisprager.com/) reminds me of the old BC "policy" of letting the rock slammers co-audit with other rock slammers as a good auditor does not deserve the treatment a bad auditor would give him/her. I don't know if this was ever implemented or not, but LRH does mention it on a BC lecture. There is a certain justice in that, fair and equitable exchange and all.

If You're Ever Murdered, Here's an Idea
Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Dennis Prager



I'd like to offer a simple proposal that, if enacted, could generate a great deal of a most precious resource: moral clarity.

It concerns the death penalty.

Opponents of capital punishment for murderers argue that the state has no right to take a murderer's life. Apparently, one fact that abolitionists forget or overlook is that the state is acting on behalf of the murdered person and the murdered person's family, not only on behalf of society.

In order to make this as clear as possible, here is my proposal: Americans should be able to declare what they want the state to do on their behalf if they are murdered. Those who wish the state to keep their murderer alive for all of his natural years should wear, let us say, a green bracelet and/or place a green dot on their driver's license or license plate. And those who want their convicted murderer put to death can wear a red bracelet and/or have a red dot on their license.

Just as I have a pink "donor" circle on my driver's license signifying that in case I die, I wish to provide my organs to help keep some person alive, I wish to make it known that if I am murdered, I do not want my murderer kept alive a day longer than legally necessary.

There are a number of reasons for recommending such a policy.

First, as noted, it is clarifying for the individual. It is easier to take a position in the abstract than when it hits home. It is one thing to oppose the death penalty when others are killed, but if you have to decide what happens if it is you who is murdered, the mind focuses with greater clarity.

Before deciding which color to choose, let a woman imagine herself raped and then stabbed to death. And let her further imagine that if this happened to her, she now has some say in determining what happens to the person who did this to her. She is no longer a silent corpse. Her voice will be heard, perhaps even be determinative of her killer's fate.

Likewise, the woman who truly opposes death for any murderer, no matter how heinous and sadistic his actions, will also now have the ability to speak from the grave. No matter how much her family may seek the death penalty, family members will have no say. Any woman -- or man -- who passionately opposes the death penalty under every conceivable circumstance can now help to ensure that at least in his or her case, a murderer's life that might have been taken might now be preserved. There is no more direct way to give death-penalty abolitionists the right to have a say over the fate of a murderer.

Second, such a choice gives great power to the individual. Abolitionists who live in pro-death-penalty Texas, for example, can now have a say on a matter of enormous moral magnitude. And pro-death penalty citizens living in states that have either legally or de facto abolished the death penalty regain a sense of power over their life (or death, to be precise).

The whole American experiment has been predicated on giving individuals as much control over their own lives as possible. But this has been undermined in the last 50 years, as the state has gotten ever more powerful. Giving murder victims say over their murderer's fate would be a small but symbolically significant step in Americans reasserting the importance of the individual. It's hard to imagine a more appropriate arena than in determining what happens to the person who murdered you.

As dark as thoughts of one's own murder may be, we all think about it. And I don't think I speak only for myself in saying that I would rest just a tiny bit better knowing that if I were murdered, my murderer might not be allowed to watch TV; read books; exercise; develop relationships with people inside and outside of prison; surf the Internet; sing; listen to music; have his health care needs addressed; and be visited by loved ones while I lay in my grave.

And for those opposed to the death penalty, they, too, will be able to rest a bit easier. They will be assured that even men who came to their home, raped all the females in their family, and then set the house on fire with the family inside -- as happened in Connecticut a few years ago -- would never be killed by the state.

Third, it would be interesting to see if these color-coded bracelets and licenses had any effect on who gets murdered. Clearly, when the murder is a crime of passion, it is hard to imagine that a would-be murderer would stop himself from killing someone upon noticing a red bracelet or a red dot on a license plate. But crimes of passion are generally not, in any event, punished by death. On the other hand, in murders that could be capital crimes, it is possible (not necessarily likely, but possible) that a murderer (or even more likely, his accomplice, if there were one) might just re-think murdering the victim.

Fourth, choosing which color bracelet or dot on one's license not only forces people to confront their own consciences, but it will undoubtedly engender deep discussions with others. To cite but one example, it can surely help singles who are dating. If you're against the death penalty, and your date drives up with a red bracelet and/or dot on his license plate, you'll have either a far deeper discussion than you would have otherwise have had at dinner, or you'll spare yourself the time and expense of a date that will probably go nowhere.

These are some of the arguments for the plan. I can't think of one good argument against it -- unless you're an abolitionist who is fearful of seeing red.
 
Response to Ted's post citing Denis Prager's article on the death penalty.

Thanks for posting this Ted. I listen to Denis a lot and am a great admirer of his but I've never heard him talk of this proposal before. I think that his idea regarding the death penalty is brilliant, even beyond brilliant because there seems to be no valid objection against it. It seems like a rare win-win situation for everyone.

Despite that, I am guessing that if put to a vote, it would get a positive vote from only about 50% of the public, perhaps a tad more. Politics should have nothing to do with deciding this issue but I believe you would find that most people left of center politically would be against the bill. The reason would be that it would take some power away from the government and return it to the people. Left of center people tend to believe that the individuals running the government are more enlightened than the average citizen and "know best" what is good for people.

The political currents at this time are much more involved in taking freedom of choices away from the citizens than in giving citizens new freedoms.
Lakey
 
Re: The velocity of light

A few months ago, some scientists conducted an experiment and claimed that their calculations revealed the discovery of certain particles traveling a bit faster than the velocity of light.

In today's Orange County Register, there is an article stating that these scientists admitted that they had found some errors in their calculations and that their results are not conclusive.

For whatever its worth, I'd like to put in my two cents. I believe, correct me if I am wrong, that science as taught in the Universities, conceives of space as just a given, a sort of nothingness that is just there.

IMO, closer to the truth is the concept that space is being continuosly created at a certain rate of speed. The reason the velocity of light is the upper limit of velocity in this universe is because the velocity of light is related to the rate of speed at which space is created. If something were to excede the velocity of light, it would be as if that thing had entered a space which was not yet created.

To get the idea how this works, take a look at how cold something can get. While heat has no theoretical upper limit, cold can only get to 0 degrees Kelvin, called absolute zero. Why can't it get colder than that, because absolute zero is simply the absence of all heat! Ditto to how dark it can get. Total darkness is simply an absence of light. Don't look for science to announce they have found something colder than absolute zero or darker than the total absense of light.

For those who don't want to be restricted to limits imposed by the physical universe, there is a possibility that something could go A to B faster than light but it would do so by finding a shorter path between A and B rather than outracing light. Perhaps there are wormholes in space or space warps which, if able to be navigated, could reduce 5 light year journeys to much shorter periods of time.
Lakey
 
Re: Death Penalty

Now for a change of subject:

The following by Prager (dennisprager.com/) reminds me of the old BC "policy" of letting the rock slammers co-audit with other rock slammers as a good auditor does not deserve the treatment a bad auditor would give him/her. I don't know if this was ever implemented or not, but LRH does mention it on a BC lecture. There is a certain justice in that, fair and equitable exchange and all.

If You're Ever Murdered, Here's an Idea
Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Dennis Prager



I'd like to offer a simple proposal that, if enacted, could generate a great deal of a most precious resource: moral clarity.

It concerns the death penalty.

Opponents of capital punishment for murderers argue that the state has no right to take a murderer's life. Apparently, one fact that abolitionists forget or overlook is that the state is acting on behalf of the murdered person and the murdered person's family, not only on behalf of society.

In order to make this as clear as possible, here is my proposal: Americans should be able to declare what they want the state to do on their behalf if they are murdered. Those who wish the state to keep their murderer alive for all of his natural years should wear, let us say, a green bracelet and/or place a green dot on their driver's license or license plate. And those who want their convicted murderer put to death can wear a red bracelet and/or have a red dot on their license.

Just as I have a pink "donor" circle on my driver's license signifying that in case I die, I wish to provide my organs to help keep some person alive, I wish to make it known that if I am murdered, I do not want my murderer kept alive a day longer than legally necessary.

There are a number of reasons for recommending such a policy.

First, as noted, it is clarifying for the individual. It is easier to take a position in the abstract than when it hits home. It is one thing to oppose the death penalty when others are killed, but if you have to decide what happens if it is you who is murdered, the mind focuses with greater clarity.

Before deciding which color to choose, let a woman imagine herself raped and then stabbed to death. And let her further imagine that if this happened to her, she now has some say in determining what happens to the person who did this to her. She is no longer a silent corpse. Her voice will be heard, perhaps even be determinative of her killer's fate.

Likewise, the woman who truly opposes death for any murderer, no matter how heinous and sadistic his actions, will also now have the ability to speak from the grave. No matter how much her family may seek the death penalty, family members will have no say. Any woman -- or man -- who passionately opposes the death penalty under every conceivable circumstance can now help to ensure that at least in his or her case, a murderer's life that might have been taken might now be preserved. There is no more direct way to give death-penalty abolitionists the right to have a say over the fate of a murderer.

Second, such a choice gives great power to the individual. Abolitionists who live in pro-death-penalty Texas, for example, can now have a say on a matter of enormous moral magnitude. And pro-death penalty citizens living in states that have either legally or de facto abolished the death penalty regain a sense of power over their life (or death, to be precise).

The whole American experiment has been predicated on giving individuals as much control over their own lives as possible. But this has been undermined in the last 50 years, as the state has gotten ever more powerful. Giving murder victims say over their murderer's fate would be a small but symbolically significant step in Americans reasserting the importance of the individual. It's hard to imagine a more appropriate arena than in determining what happens to the person who murdered you.

As dark as thoughts of one's own murder may be, we all think about it. And I don't think I speak only for myself in saying that I would rest just a tiny bit better knowing that if I were murdered, my murderer might not be allowed to watch TV; read books; exercise; develop relationships with people inside and outside of prison; surf the Internet; sing; listen to music; have his health care needs addressed; and be visited by loved ones while I lay in my grave.

And for those opposed to the death penalty, they, too, will be able to rest a bit easier. They will be assured that even men who came to their home, raped all the females in their family, and then set the house on fire with the family inside -- as happened in Connecticut a few years ago -- would never be killed by the state.

Third, it would be interesting to see if these color-coded bracelets and licenses had any effect on who gets murdered. Clearly, when the murder is a crime of passion, it is hard to imagine that a would-be murderer would stop himself from killing someone upon noticing a red bracelet or a red dot on a license plate. But crimes of passion are generally not, in any event, punished by death. On the other hand, in murders that could be capital crimes, it is possible (not necessarily likely, but possible) that a murderer (or even more likely, his accomplice, if there were one) might just re-think murdering the victim.

Fourth, choosing which color bracelet or dot on one's license not only forces people to confront their own consciences, but it will undoubtedly engender deep discussions with others. To cite but one example, it can surely help singles who are dating. If you're against the death penalty, and your date drives up with a red bracelet and/or dot on his license plate, you'll have either a far deeper discussion than you would have otherwise have had at dinner, or you'll spare yourself the time and expense of a date that will probably go nowhere.

These are some of the arguments for the plan. I can't think of one good argument against it -- unless you're an abolitionist who is fearful of seeing red.

What a depressing subject. :depressed:

I don't go around thinking about murder....mine or anybody elses, but if people started wearing bracelets having to do with murder, and putting dots on their license plates, or wherever else, it sure would put my attention on it. What a horrible thing to put one's attention on. Everytime I'd see someone with a bracelet I'd think of murder? Makes me nervous. :nervous: I'd never wear one and I'd avoid those who did.

Who wants to be constantly reminded of murder by bracelets and dots in the environment? Yuck!!!
 
Re: The velocity of light

A few months ago, some scientists conducted an experiment and claimed that their calculations revealed the discovery of certain particles traveling a bit faster than the velocity of light.

<snippity-snip>

For those who don't want to be restricted to limits imposed by the physical universe, there is a possibility that something could go A to B faster than light but it would do so by finding a shorter path between A and B rather than outracing light. Perhaps there are wormholes in space or space warps which, if able to be navigated, could reduce 5 light year journeys to much shorter periods of time.
Lakey

When I was a D of P at the Palo Alto Mission (early '80s) one of our public was a physicist at Stanford/SLAC. The conversations we had could be fascinating!

One time I asked about light speed, not being a physicist, myself, had the speed of light been exceeded, or was that still an impossibility? He said Oh we've been doing that for a while, now.

He explained about sending a wave down the length of the accelerator from an emitter to a detector and shooting a series of particles down the wave "surfing" them on the tops of the waves and their being detected at speeds faster than light could travel. Like I said, fascinating stuff.

Jack
 
Re: The velocity of light

When I was a D of P at the Palo Alto Mission (early '80s) one of our public was a physicist at Stanford/SLAC. The conversations we had could be fascinating!

One time I asked about light speed, not being a physicist, myself, had the speed of light been exceeded, or was that still an impossibility? He said Oh we've been doing that for a while, now.

He explained about sending a wave down the length of the accelerator from an emitter to a detector and shooting a series of particles down the wave "surfing" them on the tops of the waves and their being detected at speeds faster than light could travel. Like I said, fascinating stuff.

Jack

I can't begin to add to this.

I just want a quick derail.

On Guinda, the old LDS church building?

So, you were around when Sarge took it from Co$ to AAC?

That was a huge fiasco. He didn't prep anyone for the transition. I know what happened with the folks who left right then, but I never got an earful from the Feshbachs and others. What was it like on your end?
 
Re: The velocity of light

I can't begin to add to this.

I just want a quick derail.

On Guinda, the old LDS church building?

So, you were around when Sarge took it from Co$ to AAC?

That was a huge fiasco. He didn't prep anyone for the transition. I know what happened with the folks who left right then, but I never got an earful from the Feshbachs and others. What was it like on your end?

This was at the Middlefield Rd mission and also at the Guinda (LDS) place. I was there for the move to Guinda.

My staff contract ended in July of '83. The memories blur a bit, but I was off staff when Sarge joined with Mayo. I did go back to have my pc folders sent to Mtn Vw mission. I spoke very briefly with Sarge, but I was a bit anxious at the time and don't recall much of what was said.

I think it was within two to three weeks of my leaving Sarge had called a staff meeting and announced he was joining with David Mayo and anyone who wanted to stay with him was welcome to. Any that wanted to leave was free to do so. Pc folders, personnel folders, ethics folders would be sent to whatever org or mission anyone wanted but would not be released to the person himself (security, an' all.) Most staff bolted for archives to grab pc folders and ran them out to a staff member's van to be moved somewhere "safe." Sarge called the cops and stopped them from stealing mission property.

One of the mission's public offered her home to the remaining loyal scientologists and they held courses in her living room, auditing in a spare bedroom etc.

Jack
 
Re: The velocity of light

This was at the Middlefield Rd mission and also at the Guinda (LDS) place. I was there for the move to Guinda.

My staff contract ended in July of '83. The memories blur a bit, but I was off staff when Sarge joined with Mayo. I did go back to have my pc folders sent to Mtn Vw mission. I spoke very briefly with Sarge, but I was a bit anxious at the time and don't recall much of what was said.

I think it was within two to three weeks of my leaving Sarge had called a staff meeting and announced he was joining with David Mayo and anyone who wanted to stay with him was welcome to. Any that wanted to leave was free to do so. Pc folders, personnel folders, ethics folders would be sent to whatever org or mission anyone wanted but would not be released to the person himself (security, an' all.) Most staff bolted for archives to grab pc folders and ran them out to a staff member's van to be moved somewhere "safe." Sarge called the cops and stopped them from stealing mission property.

One of the mission's public offered her home to the remaining loyal scientologists and they held courses in her living room, auditing in a spare bedroom etc.

Jack

A little more info: The house was, of course 'way too small for this and they got offices on University Ave. across from The Good Earth restaurant,
on the second floor. Down the hall from the mission were the offices of a school teaching Trans personal Psychology.

One fine day an SO mission arrived and witnessed someone from this school leaving and having a complete meltdown, screaming, kicking the walls etc.

The SO people decided the mission had to move. The Palo Alto Mission became the Redwood City Mission.

Jack
 
Re: Death Penalty

What a depressing subject. :depressed:

I don't go around thinking about murder....mine or anybody elses, but if people started wearing bracelets having to do with murder, and putting dots on their license plates, or wherever else, it sure would put my attention on it. What a horrible thing to put one's attention on. Everytime I'd see someone with a bracelet I'd think of murder? Makes me nervous. :nervous: I'd never wear one and I'd avoid those who did.

Who wants to be constantly reminded of murder by bracelets and dots in the environment? Yuck!!!

I think the concept has lots of merit FoTi. It never occurred to me that the bracelets and red dots would put a persons attention on death but I see how that might occur with quite a few people. What if that aspect was deleted?

You know, organ donors carry cards in their wallets or something of that nature to state that they would like to donate their organs to others upon death. That concept certainly carries the thought of death but it also carries the thought of assisting current life or extending the lives of others.

What if the death penalty law was implemented but people just carried a wallet card and did not advertise their choice with a bracelet or red dot. That would eliminate pulling people's attention onto the subject of death. FoTi, would you then still be against that law or would that handle it for you? If you would still be against it, what would be your grounds for feeling that way?
Lakey
 
Re: The velocity of light

... I think it was within two to three weeks of my leaving Sarge had called a staff meeting and announced he was joining with David Mayo and anyone who wanted to stay with him was welcome to. Any that wanted to leave was free to do so. Pc folders, personnel folders, ethics folders would be sent to whatever org or mission anyone wanted but would not be released to the person himself (security, an' all.) Most staff bolted for archives to grab pc folders and ran them out to a staff member's van to be moved somewhere "safe." ...

... and out of the gentle, placid, yet soothing & relaxing hot tub of an independently run facility and into the fiery searing volcanic cauldron of the fervent mother church? :whistling:

Pardon me if this seems a bit 'snarky' but I've met Sarge and I like and trust him.

The Sea Org? Not so much. :no:


Mark A. Baker
 
Re: Death Penalty

What a depressing subject. :depressed:

I don't go around thinking about murder....mine or anybody elses, but if people started wearing bracelets having to do with murder, and putting dots on their license plates, or wherever else, it sure would put my attention on it. What a horrible thing to put one's attention on. Everytime I'd see someone with a bracelet I'd think of murder? Makes me nervous. :nervous: I'd never wear one and I'd avoid those who did.

Who wants to be constantly reminded of murder by bracelets and dots in the environment? Yuck!!!



Not unlike putting the "organ donor" designation on your drivers license.

How about a yellow dot for the extremely liberal minded? The yellow dot says, "If you hurt me in any way I will not persue charges. Have a nice day."
 
Re: The velocity of light

... and out of the gentle, placid, yet soothing & relaxing hot tub of an independently run facility and into the fiery searing volcanic cauldron of the fervent mother church? :whistling:

Pardon me if this seems a bit 'snarky' but I've met Sarge and I like and trust him.

The Sea Org? Not so much. :no:


Mark A. Baker

I don't see that as snarky in the least.

The part about the staff bolting is just steady-eddie, scared of losing their eternity scientologists running from a self-proclaimed squirrel.

I liked Sarge, too. Really nice guy.

Jack
 
Re: The velocity of light

... and out of the gentle, placid, yet soothing & relaxing hot tub of an independently run facility and into the fiery searing volcanic cauldron of the fervent mother church? :whistling:

Pardon me if this seems a bit 'snarky' but I've met Sarge and I like and trust him.

The Sea Org? Not so much. :no:


Mark A. Baker

We are going to have to have a Recovery Counselor have a talk with you.

You, of all people, would benefit greatly by buying your own personal copy of the Basics, just $4,399. and you scan have all your misunderstandings cleared up.

Will that be AE or Visa?
 
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