The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[lkwdblds]

Re: The Code of a Sceintologist - Drastically Rewrtten!

None of these codes would mean much of anything if the intended target, the people, did not resonate with them. Some of the codes are just outright commands reflecting the desire of the author, not necessarily the people.

As has been accomplished with some of our national laws, Scientology will eventually be redefined into a subject completely opposed to original, published, intent.

Your last sentence is very powerful. Scientology appears to be well on their way to acheiving full opposition to what Hubbard first published as its intent.

This scenario could also occur with the USA. The USA's original published intent was a nation, which was a union of States which contained people, endowed by a creator, which was shooting for maximum freedom and a minimal federal government. Private enterprise and free markets were to lead us to the promised land. This wasn't perfect but was working pretty well up until about the 1950's.

The current USA is morphing into a society strictly controlled by the federal government, where individual freedoms are severly curtailed and a federal cadre of elites decides what is best for the people and enacts thousands of laws to micro manage the citizens and carry out the whims of the wisened elites.
Lakey

 

[Terril park]

Re: The Code of a Sceintologist - Drastically Rewrtten!

I need to clean up some errors I made: #5 and #7 are wrong. They should be:
#5 I pledge to expose and help abolish any and all abuses against life and Mankind changes to "I pledge to prevent the use of Scio in advertisements of other products."

#7 should be: I pledge to bring about an atmospher of safety and security in the field of mental health by eradicating its abuses and brutality changes to "I pledge to employ Scientology to the greatest good of the greatest number of dynamics."

I also edited the post, fixed some grammar and spelling errors, etc. For precept #12 about freedom of religion, it is remarkable that DM deleted it! There again, however, he is consistent in that the Code has only to do with activities in an Org and has nothing to say about the world at large.
Lakey

Well this is astonishingly revealing of who the evil transcriptionist is!

From the new basics book "Scn 0-8", the Code is quoted as from 1954 in " The Creation Of Human Ability". No indication of any "updates" etc.

And lo! The new "basics" COHA has the code altered to match and is as Lakey states.

 

[Veda]

Re: The Code of a Sceintologist - Drastically Rewrtten!

The Code of a Scientologist from 1954, 1969, and whatever the date is on the current one, has always been mostly PR.

Those who take it seriously haven't figured that out yet.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The Code of a Sceintologist - Drastically Rewrtten!

The Code of a Scientologist from 1954, 1969, and whatever the date is on the current one, has always been mostly PR.

Those who take it seriously haven't figured that out yet.

It's pr to those who treat it like pr. That says a great deal about those people, but not terribly much about the codes.

Some individuals choose to take their personal agreements more seriously.


Mark A. Baker

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The Code of a Sceintologist - Drastically Rewrtten!

The Code of a Scientologist from 1954, 1969, and whatever the date is on the current one, has always been mostly PR.

Those who take it seriously haven't figured that out yet.

When I was a kid, my father had a friend, who owned a garbage dump. Long before electronic cash registers and computer controls, there was a man, who sat in a shack, told customers how much to pay, collected the money, and made an accounting at day's end. George, the owner was suspicious of the gate keeper.

He watched the cars and trucks drive up through one day. He could see that the gate man was skimming the till.

George fired him, and got a new guy. The new guy stole more than the first guy.

They rehired the first guy.

Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The Code of a Sceintologist - Drastically Rewrtten!

The Code of a Scientologist from 1954, 1969, and whatever the date is on the current one, has always been mostly PR.

Those who take it seriously haven't figured that out yet.

You kind of make my point, also strongly made by FoTi, for us. When we were newbies (back in the horse and buggy days) the Codes impressed us very much and had a lot to do with us joining the church and going on staff. Had today's version of the Codes been in place, we may have not joined up and I think that this is true with many people. By Codes, I am referring to the "Code of a Scientologist", the "Code of Honor", the "Auditors' Code", "The Aims of Scientolgy", etc.

I believe that is why the streetsmart and crafty DM has delayed the introduction of the code to the HQS course. He does not want people to read it right away, only after they are somewhat indoctrinated. So regardless if it is taken seriously or it is taken as mostly PR, my point still holds up.

Apparently DM is not as PR oriented as LRH was but he compensates for that by introducing his data at a later point in the indoctrination process.
Lakey

 

[Ted]

Pet Scientological Peeve

Now that i have downed a superlative T-bone off the bbq, and a half bottle of fine Zinfandel, I am reminded of one of my longstanding pet, Scientological peeves: Hubbard wrote various issues about the staff being "professional." Professional? Professional!? WTF! You have staff who do not know WTF they are talking about, auditors working for peanuts... And what else? No one is making any money. How the hell can that be professional?

It isn't a profession unless you are being compensated in the coin of the realm. Period! Fuck the communistic unit system! To hell with working for little or nothing!

Not that I do the that any more, and I haven't done it for a LONG time, but you people who are stuck in, WAKE UP! LIVE! LOVE! BE HAPPY! PUT SOME MONEY IN YOUR POCKET!

 

[RogerB]

Re: Pet Scientological Peeve

Now that i have downed a superlative T-bone off the bbq, and a half bottle of fine Zinfandel, I am reminded of one of my longstanding pet, Scientological peeves: Hubbard wrote various issues about the staff being "professional." Professional? Professional!? WTF! You have staff who do not know WTF they are talking about, auditors working for peanuts... And what else? No one is making any money. How the hell can that be professional?

It isn't a profession unless you are being compensated in the coin of the realm. Period! Fuck the communistic unit system! To hell with working for little or nothing!

Not that I do the that any more, and I haven't done it for a LONG time, but you people who are stuck in, WAKE UP! LIVE! LOVE! BE HAPPY! PUT SOME MONEY IN YOUR POCKET!

Having read and giggle myself silly on your protestations above, I heartily concur an all points!

BBQ, and fine zin is the way to go!

Oh, and yeh, those other sentiments regarding earning a decent living for an honest professional days work are important too . . . .



R

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: Pet Scientological Peeve

Now that i have downed a superlative T-bone off the bbq, and a half bottle of fine Zinfandel, I am reminded of one of my longstanding pet, Scientological peeves: Hubbard wrote various issues about the staff being "professional." Professional? Professional!? WTF! You have staff who do not know WTF they are talking about, auditors working for peanuts... And what else? No one is making any money. How the hell can that be professional?
...

A picture's worth a thousand words.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: Pet Scientological Peeve

... BBQ, and fine zin is the way to go! ...

Actually a vegetarian curry and some fine tea would be much in preference.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I'm not a big eater of red meat, but yesterday my neighbor cleared out her freezer and threw me a big sack of mystery packages still wrapped in saran wrap and foil. I peeled the items open fully expecting them to be out of date and freezer burned. I smelled it and was doubtful. There turned out to be a biggest best Delmonico I ever ate in my entire life!. I shaved off more pieces of foil from the frozen booty today and 3 more!!!

All my neighbor's daughters had flown in for New Years for a week at the beach condo. She spent over $950 at Sam's Club for groceries, wine and liquors. (I tagged along with her) Her young epicurean brood wanted to create fish tacos instead. They had to evacuate as the smell of the frying fish pervaded EVERYTHING and a few other units. So guess who gets all the rest. ...And I've never heard of chocolate wine before. Gobble gobble.

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[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Its nice to have Hatsheput posting her again. I forgot to mention her in the list of people who I feel have contributed the most to this thread. She is definitely in that category.

IF YOU ARE WONDERING?
Since the Code of a Scientologist has been completely reworked by DM as I posted a couple of days back and to which several people commented, I was wondering if any other of the basic codes of the C of S have been altered as well.

Just through a Googol search this morning, I found the the "Creed of a Scientologist" (the document which desires a world free from war and insanity, etc.), "The Code of Honor" and the "Auditor's Code" all have been left intact, so far. Even though those codes have not been changed, a parishioner would get into big trouble if he actually tried to exercise several of the key items in each of those Codes.
Lakey

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Its nice to have Hatsheput posting her again. I forgot to mention her in the list of people who I feel have contributed the most to this thread. She is definitely in that category.

IF YOU ARE WONDERING?
Since the Code of a Scientologist has been completely reworked by DM as I posted a couple of days back and to which several people commented, I was wondering if any other of the basic codes of the C of S have been altered as well.

Just through a Googol search this morning, I found the[1] the "Creed of a Scientologist" (the document which desires a world free from war and insanity, etc.), "The Code of Honor" and [2] the "Auditor's Code" all have been left intact, so far. Even though those codes have not been changed, a parishioner would get into big trouble if he actually tried to exercise several of the key items in each of those Codes.
Lakey

1. Very odd when you consider the RPF, the RPF's RPF, executives in "the Hole," children in chain lockers, ... Talk about cognitive dissonance, man my head is about to explode.

2. The original Auditor's Code is simple and useful. As memory serves, it is a statement of allegiance to workable procedure and loyalty to the pc. Then the Code changed one day to include the needs and desires of the Claims Verification Board, and at that I just had to go "Huh?" The organization had now officially crept into the auditing session.

Maybe turnabout is not only fair play but also an important investment safety strategy: The claims of Hubbard and his marketing and sales people should be brought before one's own Claims Verification Board.

Oh, wait... I think we have that now. It's called the internet.

Never mind...

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

1. Very odd when you consider the RPF, the RPF's RPF, executives in "the Hole," children in chain lockers, ... Talk about cognitive dissonance, man my head is about to explode.

2. The original Auditor's Code is simple and useful. As memory serves, it is a statement of allegiance to workable procedure and loyalty to the pc. Then the Code changed one day to include the needs and desires of the Claims Verification Board, and at that I just had to go "Huh?" The organization had now officially crept into the auditing session.

Maybe turnabout is not only fair play but also an important investment safety strategy: The claims of Hubbard and his marketing and sales people should be brought before one's own Claims Verification Board.

Oh, wait... I think we have that now. It's called the internet.

Never mind...

What is the Claims Verification Board?

 

[Terril park]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Its nice to have Hatsheput posting her again. I forgot to mention her in the list of people who I feel have contributed the most to this thread. She is definitely in that category.

IF YOU ARE WONDERING?
Since the Code of a Scientologist has been completely reworked by DM as I posted a couple of days back and to which several people commented, I was wondering if any other of the basic codes of the C of S have been altered as well.

Just through a Googol search this morning, I found the the "Creed of a Scientologist" (the document which desires a world free from war and insanity, etc.), "The Code of Honor" and the "Auditor's Code" all have been left intact, so far. Even though those codes have not been changed, a parishioner would get into big trouble if he actually tried to exercise several of the key items in each of those Codes.
Lakey

Sent an e-mail which it seems you havn't read.

The basics 0-8 also has a 1969 code of a scientologist which is similar if not identical to the one we know. I asked if the original " Creation of Human Ability" had the ten point code you mentioned. I've delivered all my originals to RO Vladivostok and only have basics currently.

Nevertheless its an outpoint to deliver an earlier code when the one we know is also an HCOPL.

What is the original code in COHA?

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Sent an e-mail which it seems you havn't read.

The basics 0-8 also has a 1969 code of a scientologist which is similar if not identical to the one we know. I asked if the original " Creation of Human Ability" had the ten point code you mentioned. I've delivered all my originals to RO Vladivostok and only have basics currently.

Nevertheless its an outpoint to deliver an earlier code when the one we know is also an HCOPL.

What is the original code in COHA?

Thank you Terril. Your above post is duly noted. I no longer own the "CoHA" book so I can't answer your question. Maybe someone else can.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

What is the Claims Verification Board?

As I recall it, when the line referring to the Claims Verification Board was put into the Auditor's Code it took a bit more time to process a refund.

Prior to the creation of the CVB, refund requests were dealt with quickly. The person was informed that if they obtained their refund, they could take no further services for the rest of their lives. If the person still wanted the refund, they were paid off quickly and were immediately escorted out of the Org.

With the advent of the CVB, the Org put up more resistance. I don't really know what was done because I never saw the Hat write up for that post, if there ever was one, but it took longer for the person to receive their refund. The person had to first undergo some word clearing and some sort of sec checking and then if they still wanted out, they were sent to the Ethics Officer. If they still wanted out, they were written a check and ushered off the premises.

I was in Treasury but don't remember disbursing any such check to a public person. I believe that the check was written by the FBO (Flag Banking Officer) from his FBO #1 account. The FBO then wrote up an emergency PO (purchase order) asking for reimbursement from the Org for that expense. This made sense since the Org invoiced in the money from the person in the first place. In my 2 years in CCLA Treasury I seem to remember writing 3 or 4 such checks. This is 40 years ago and it was a rare occurance so I am not certain it. If someone else knows more, my feelings won't be hurt if they correct me.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

1. Very odd when you consider the RPF, the RPF's RPF, executives in "the Hole," children in chain lockers, ... Talk about cognitive dissonance, man my head is about to explode.

2. The original Auditor's Code is simple and useful. As memory serves, it is a statement of allegiance to workable procedure and loyalty to the pc. Then the Code changed one day to include the needs and desires of the Claims Verification Board, and at that I just had to go "Huh?" The organization had now officially crept into the auditing session.

Maybe turnabout is not only fair play but also an important investment safety strategy: The claims of Hubbard and his marketing and sales people should be brought before one's own Claims Verification Board.

Oh, wait... I think we have that now. It's called the internet.

Never mind...

I believe that confining kids to the chain locker ended in the 1969 period but the RPF and RPF's RPF started in the autumn of 1974. What would someone call "The Hole" out in Hemet, the RPF's RPF's RPF?

From memory I believe the original Auditors' Code had a reference that a person could request their money back if they were not satisfied with their service, the only stipulation being that they could no longer do any Scio services. This provision was one of the last items in the Code. That one line was kept but was modified to mention the Claims Verification Board.

We "Chinesed Schooled" the Org Board all the time on staff, and I am positive their was no post called Called Claims Verification Board In Charge or Claims Verification Board Member. Probably the duties were shared by the Org's Qualification Division, the Org's Ethics Officer and the Flag Banking Officr (FBO) who wrote the actual check.

Yes, thank God for the Internet!!! Neither Hubbard nor DM ever envisioned that such a tool would come into existence. Probably, if the internet never came into existence, DM would be presiding over a much larger staff and body of parishioners who would be totally in the dark as to what was going on behind the scenes!!

Who invented the internet? Was it really Al Gore? Whoever was responsible should get a standing ovation and a set of Hip Hip Horays!
Lakey

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

... Who invented the internet? Was it really Al Gore? ...

1. Gore never said he did.

2. Gore did write the legislation which created the modern internet out of the old darpanet/arpanet and champion its subsequent passage.

And for those of us who remember the nets back when users were expected to have a measure of technical competence and commercial activity was specifically barred, the spinoff creation of the internet has not been an unalloyed joy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbYwf1BJgWA

Still, he meant well.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I believe that confining kids to the chain locker ended in the 1969 period but the RPF and RPF's RPF started in the autumn of 1974. What would someone call "The Hole" out in Hemet, the RPF's RPF's RPF?

From memory I believe the original Auditors' Code had a reference that a person could request their money back if they were not satisfied with their service, the only stipulation being that they could no longer do any Scio services. This provision was one of the last items in the Code. That one line was kept but was modified to mention the Claims Verification Board.

We "Chinesed Schooled" the Org Board all the time on staff, and I am positive their was no post called Called Claims Verification Board In Charge or Claims Verification Board Member. Probably the duties were shared by the Org's Qualification Division, the Org's Ethics Officer and the Flag Banking Officr (FBO) who wrote the actual check.

Yes, thank God for the Internet!!! Neither Hubbard nor DM ever envisioned that such a tool would come into existence. Probably, if the internet never came into existence, DM would be presiding over a much larger staff and body of parishioners who would be totally in the dark as to what was going on behind the scenes!!

Who invented the internet? Was it really Al Gore? Whoever was responsible should get a standing ovation and a set of Hip Hip Horays!
Lakey

For such an OT as Hubbard who searched the whole track to find the OT-3 incidents and Qualifications Division of a civilization long gone, and being a self-proclaimed master of communication, I certainly would think that he could have predicted such a tool as the internet.

But then again, maybe he was just FOS.