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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Thanks Hats! You make some excellent points which actually made me feel better about that incident. The following remark of yours also sets the stage for another pearl of wisdom said by Mom's and Dad's of those days: Here is your remark, we all learned to skidaddle at 5 pm and be scarce and here is the associated item having to do with THE PURPOSE OF CHILDREN, "Children are meant to be seen but are not meant to be heard." Its not a perfect match because skidaddling involves both not being heard and not being seen but still it ties in somewhat. That one is really pretty ugly. In its day, it was taken as being sort of tongue in cheek and sort of light hearted. From today's perspective it looks more like an attempt to nullify a kid's beingness and suppress his very existence.
Lakey

One that used to make me feel guilty was when my mother wasn't feeling well and my father would turn to me and say "You're making your mother sick". That coupled with my mother telling me she wished I'd never been born and that I'd ruined her health and her marriage :shock:, really stuck with me. My father always told me that my mother was very truthful, so I thought what she said was true....that I had ruined her life. This put me in a horrible spot where I would think that maybe I should kill myself so that my mother could be happy, but I couldn't do that :nono: and this stuff kept going back and forth in my head....it was like a constant battle within myself to just stay alive and on my side. If I satisfied her...I was dead....if I satisfied myself, she was unhappy and I wasn't happy with her being unhappy. I had no way to resolve this and neither did she. I wanted to run away from home, but I had nowhere to go and I knew that my father would have the police after me if I ran away and I didn't want that. :nervous: :depressed:

I remember my sixth grade teacher asked me what was wrong because my grades had dropped so drastically from all A's to barely passing and I didn't have any idea what to say to her...I didn't know why....I just knew I didn't care anymore about doing well in life....life had lost it's color...it's brilliance....it's magic....it's sparkle. :sad: It never occurred to me to talk to anybody about this back then. Nobody ever talked about this kind of stuff back then. Whatever went on at home was nobody else's business and was never discussed outside the immediate family. It was forbidden. :no:

My parents could never really discuss anything with me. God knows what they experienced while growing up, or after that, that made them the way they were. I felt sorry for them sometimes and feared them at other times. I wanted to love them but they weren't there to give or receive love, with me or with each other. :bigcry:

The word "love" was never uttered in my house growing up....it was as if it was forbidden. I never even heard my parents say that they liked anything or anybody, but there was plenty of dislike from my mother and looking down on others from my father as well as from my mother. This seemed to be how they coped with life and made themselves feel better about themselves and made themselves think they were more superior to others. They sure had me convinced they were better than anybody else, including me. I remember feeling like I was worth less than a piece of furniture when I was at home, with my parents, during my high school years....that's pretty low. I had vey low self esteem and very little confidence in myself. :depressed:

When I was little I wanted to have six kids when I grew up. I was an only child and I was lonely and would like to have been in a big family,... so I wanted to have a lot of kids, when I grew up, so that they would have each other to play with and would never be lonely. By the time I was in my last year of high school, my family had totally convinced me that having children was a really bad experience and a way to ruin one's life... so, along with some other factors, I decided to never have any children. I guess I had been mentally sterilized by then.

Some people should never have kids :no:.....I've met quite a few of those in my lifetime....too many, actually.

Parents can help to make a child's life beautiful and fulfilling or ugly and miserable, and I think the love and support of a parent is a huge factor in a child's life.....it can make or break a kid....sometimes for the rest of their life.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

One that used to make me feel guilty was when my mother wasn't feeling well and my father would turn to me and say "You're making your mother sick". That coupled with my mother telling me she wished I'd never been born and that I'd ruined her health and her marriage :shock:, really stuck with me. My father always told me that my mother was very truthful, so I thought what she said was true....that I had ruined her life. This put me in a horrible spot where I would think that maybe I should kill myself so that my mother could be happy, but I couldn't do that :nono: and this stuff kept going back and forth in my head....it was like a constant battle within myself to just stay alive and on my side. If I satisfied her...I was dead....if I satisfied myself, she was unhappy and I wasn't happy with her being unhappy. I had no way to resolve this and neither did she. I wanted to run away from home, but I had nowhere to go and I knew that my father would have the police after me if I ran away and I didn't want that. :nervous: :depressed:

I remember my sixth grade teacher asked me what was wrong because my grades had dropped so drastically from all A's to barely passing and I didn't have any idea what to say to her...I didn't know why....I just knew I didn't care anymore about doing well in life....life had lost it's color...it's brilliance....it's magic....it's sparkle. :sad: It never occurred to me to talk to anybody about this back then. Nobody ever talked about this kind of stuff back then. Whatever went on at home was nobody else's business and was never discussed outside the immediate family. It was forbidden. :no:

My parents could never really discuss anything with me. God knows what they experienced while growing up, or after that, that made them the way they were. I felt sorry for them sometimes and feared them at other times. I wanted to love them but they weren't there to give or receive love, with me or with each other. :bigcry:

The word "love" was never uttered in my house growing up....it was as if it was forbidden. I never even heard my parents say that they liked anything or anybody, but there was plenty of dislike from my mother and looking down on others from my father as well as from my mother. This seemed to be how they coped with life and made themselves feel better about themselves and made themselves think they were more superior to others. They sure had me convinced they were better than anybody else, including me. I remember feeling like I was worth less than a piece of furniture when I was at home, with my parents, during my high school years....that's pretty low. I had vey low self esteem and very little confidence in myself. :depressed:

When I was little I wanted to have six kids when I grew up. I was an only child and I was lonely and would like to have been in a big family,... so I wanted to have a lot of kids, when I grew up, so that they would have each other to play with and would never be lonely. By the time I was in my last year of high school, my family had totally convinced me that having children was a really bad experience and a way to ruin one's life... so, along with some other factors, I decided to never have any children. I guess I had been mentally sterilized by then.

Some people should never have kids :no:.....I've met quite a few of those in my lifetime....too many, actually.

Parents can help to make a child's life beautiful and fulfilling or ugly and miserable, and I think the love and support of a parent is a huge factor in a child's life.....it can make or break a kid....sometimes for the rest of their life.

Thank you for sharing this story with us FoTi. It is unfortunate that your parents subjected you to the childhood which you experienced. A child deserves loving parents but a lack of parental love and understanding seems to have been the order of the day in your family.

My parents were basically loving people and good parents but occasionally my Dad would flub on his Father hat. Your situation was quite different. You deserve a lot of credit for emerging from the family life which you endured still managing to be a caring and giving person. Its just my opinion but what Carmelo wrote to me seems applicable to you as well. You are like family to many of us here on the Apollo thread!
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Thank you for sharing this story with us FoTi. It is unfortunate that your parents subjected you to the childhood which you experienced. A child deserves loving parents but a lack of parental love and understanding seems to have been the order of the day in your family.

My parents were basically loving people and good parents but occasionally my Dad would flub on his Father hat. Your situation was quite different. You deserve a lot of credit for emerging from the family life which you endured still managing to be a caring and giving person. Its just my opinion but what Carmelo wrote to me seems applicable to you as well. You are like family to many of us here on the Apollo thread!
Lakey

I think maybe because of the hardships my parents grew up with financially - especially my mother - that they had the attitude that I should be grateful that I had food to eat and a roof over my head and clothes on my back. And nothing else was important.

Yep....this is about the closest thing I have to family. I'm sure glad Emma provides this board and that you all are here to talk to and that you share your life experiences and knowledge here on this thread and some of the other threads. I love you guys.
 
Here is a kid with good parents (from NPR)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012...-year-old-girl-just-bought-a-house-in-florida


Meet Willow Tufano, age 14: Lady Gaga fan, animal lover, landlord.

In 2005, when Willow was 7, the housing market was booming. Home prices in some Florida neighborhoods nearly doubled from one month to the next. Her family moved into a big house; her mom became a real estate agent.

But as Willow moved from childhood to adolescence, the market turned, and the neighborhood emptied out. "Everyone is getting foreclosed on here," she says.

After the collapse, Willow's mom started working with investors who wanted to bid on cheap, foreclosed homes. Sometimes Willow tagged along.


One day, she went to a house that an investor wanted to flip. "It was filled with all kinds of stuff!" Willow says. "I was like, 'I can sell this stuff if he'd want to let me have it.' "

That was fine with the investor. So Willow sold the furniture and appliances from the house on Craigslist. She did the same thing with a bunch more houses. After a while, she was clearing about $500 a month, and saving a lot of it.

One day, Willow's mom, Shannon, saw a two-bedroom, concrete-block home on auction for $12,000 — down from $100,000 at the peak of the bubble. Shannon was telling her husband about the house, when Willow piped up.

"I was like, 'What if I bought a house? That would be crazy,' " Willow says.

Willow wound up splitting the house with her mom. Willow plans to buy her mom out in the next few years, and put her name on the title when she turns 18.

The place was a mess when they bought it — "like there was a riot or something," Willow says.

They cleaned it up and rented it out to a young couple for $700 a month.

As I was working on this story, I kept thinking that when a 14-year-old kid can buy a house, the market must have hit bottom. I kept saying this to Willow, and she'd sort of vaguely nod.

But it's hard for Willow to see herself as symbolic of anything. To a 14-year-old kid in Florida, the housing collapse is basically the only world she's known. It's the landscape. It's a Craigslist hobby.

She's thinking she may save up for a second home.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I think maybe because of the hardships my parents grew up with financially - especially my mother - that they had the attitude that I should be grateful that I had food to eat and a roof over my head and clothes on my back. And nothing else was important.

Yep....this is about the closest thing I have to family. I'm sure glad Emma provides this board and that you all are here to talk to and that you share your life experiences and knowledge here on this thread and some of the other threads. I love you guys.

Yes, this thing about dramatizing the hardships they went through is a big one and can get worse as they get older. IT CAN EVEN BE ON THEIR BUCKET LIST to make sure others learn to appreciate the value of a dollar.

I have a friend who is seventy-two and is dying and down to 75 lbs. He is a multi-millionaire and can't let go of a dime. He lives in a convalescent home up the road where I visit him often. He loves to talk about his stocks and how their values have increased unfailingly. I have heard him many times describe his meager upbringing.....like Elvis with his mom growing up in Tupelo, Mississippi. By his last estimate he was worth 35 million smackers. He has been engaged in a war to keep Medicare and Medicaid and Blue Cross from finding out about his stocks. He will be in the care of that home a very long time and I guess ins tries to sell you a higher rate added coverage so you don't max out. It's a No Go for him. He doesn't' reimburse me for the restaurant meals he requests or the list of things he wants from the vending machine. All part of the stinginess as a solution that paid off BIG time in his later life. He never left home and stayed with his mummy all his life and put his pennies under the mattress. The most often repeated sentimental anecdote was how his mom took dim down to buy his first coca cola stock at age five.

Two weeks ago he suffered a decline in his health complicated by his six months of paralysis. I don't know how much longer he will live. I asked him gently if he'd given any thought to maybe using some of his smart-won booty to create a more amenable existence for himself in his own home because he can certainly afford live in care. I could visit him more as his home is two miles from here. His answer was NO he hadn't given it any thought. (that's a red alert) He never even THOUGHT about it !! He is motivating against the condition of his childhood poverty and pushing towards accumulated wealth that now other people DON'T have. He gloats over this in fact. The real issue is that if he cashed in any of his long term whatevers he would suffer a penalty. The man is dying...living in a shared room...the hall sometimes smells of poo....the food is lousy ......AND IT'S NOT SMART MONEY SENSE TO TAKE THIS LOSS?

AND as to his sister who has interrupted her life in Dallas to move here with her husband temporarily to take care of him, SHE WON'T BE GETTING A DIME. He says he is getting even for her demanding her share of the inheritance when their momma passed away several yrs ago. He was living in it......and wanted to continue there the rest of his life. The sister wanted him to buy her out as he was quite wealthy. He could not part with the money. She got a realtor and a lawyer and impressed upon him that fair was fair. For her offense he has been envisioning what her emotions will be when she discovers what has been willed to charity. He has giggled over this much. And as for me getting anything (I've been keeping company with him since 1977) FOGEDDAHBOUDIT.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I think maybe because of the hardships my parents grew up with financially - especially my mother - that they had the attitude that I should be grateful that I had food to eat and a roof over my head and clothes on my back. And nothing else was important.

Yep....this is about the closest thing I have to family. I'm sure glad Emma provides this board and that you all are here to talk to and that you share your life experiences and knowledge here on this thread and some of the other threads. I love you guys.

Yes, this thing about dramatizing the hardships they went through is a big one and can get worse as they get older. IT CAN EVEN BE ON THEIR BUCKET LIST to make sure others learn to appreciate the value of a dollar.

I have a friend who is seventy-two and is dying and down to 75 lbs. He is a multi-millionaire and can't let go of a dime. He lives in a convalescent home up the road where I visit him often. He loves to talk about his stocks and how their values have increased unfailingly. I have heard him many times describe his meager upbringing.....like Elvis with his mom growing up in Tupelo, Mississippi. By his last estimate he was worth 35 million smackers. He has been engaged in a war to keep Medicare and Medicaid and Blue Cross from finding out about his stocks. He will be in the care of that home a very long time and I guess ins tries to sell you a higher rate added coverage so you don't max out. It's a No Go for him. He doesn't' reimburse me for the restaurant meals he requests or the list of things he wants from the vending machine. All part of the stinginess as a solution that paid off BIG time in his later life. He never left home and stayed with his mummy all his life and put his pennies under the mattress. The most often repeated sentimental anecdote was how his mom took him down to buy his first Coca Cola stock at age five.

Two weeks ago he suffered a decline in his health complicated by his six months of paralysis. I don't know how much longer he will live. I asked him gently if he'd given any thought to maybe using some of his smart-won booty to create a more amenable existence for himself in his own home because he can certainly afford live in care. I could visit him more as his home is two miles from here. His answer was NO he hadn't given it any thought. (that's a red alert) He never even THOUGHT about it !! He is motivating against the condition of his childhood poverty and pushing towards accumulated wealth that now other people DON'T have. He gloats over this in fact. The real issue is that if he cashed in any of his long term whatevers he would suffer a penalty. The man is dying...living in a shared room...the hall sometimes smells of poo....the food is lousy ......AND IT'S NOT SMART MONEY SENSE TO TAKE THIS LOSS?

AND as to his sister who has interrupted her life in Dallas to move here with her husband temporarily to take care of him, SHE WON'T BE GETTING A DIME. He says he is getting even for her demanding her share of the inheritance when their momma passed away several yrs ago. He was living in it......and wanted to continue there the rest of his life. The sister wanted him to buy her out as he was quite wealthy. He could not part with the money. She got a realtor and a lawyer and impressed upon him that fair was fair. For her offense he has been envisioning what her emotions will be when she discovers what has been willed to charity. He has giggled over this much. And as for me getting anything (I've been keeping company with him since 1977) FOGEDDAHBOUDIT.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973


Well shoot I can't delete duplicate post. I also made another reply to FoTi and Carmelo to replace the dots and clicked submit. I missed the time cut off and wanted to go back and just make it a fresh post then. No could do. It was gone...and the admin note re editing only showed.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Well shoot I can't delete duplicate post. I also made another reply to FoTi and Carmelo to replace the dots and clicked submit. I missed the time cut off and wanted to go back and just make it a fresh post then. No could do. It was gone...and the admin note re editing only showed.

Your 72 year old friend sounds really sick in the head. There was a man kind of like that that lived in the apartment complex where I live now. When he died everyone was shocked to find out that he was rich. He lived like a pauper. Stupid.

Yeh...I have been having trouble with the edit thing too. It's been really sticky....even after only two or three minutes. If it's supposed to be good for 30 minutes....then it seems to not be working properly. I wish Emma didn't have it restricted as tightly as she does.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Your 72 year old friend sounds really sick in the head. There was a man kind of like that that lived in the apartment complex where I live now. When he died everyone was shocked to find out that he was rich. He lived like a pauper. Stupid.

Yeh...I have been having trouble with the edit thing too. It's been really sticky....even after only two or three minutes. If it's supposed to be good for 30 minutes....then it seems to not be working properly. I wish Emma didn't have it restricted as tightly as she does.

MISERS
You hear stories from time to time about misers who have pinched every penny they've ever made all the way up to their dying moments.

One such guy was my Dad's brother, Uncle Dave. He was not all that rich when he died in 2001. He had about $1.2 million in bank accounts, bonds and mutual funds and he owned his home free and clear. His total estate was about $2 million. He was a sign painter all his life and just made a decent wage doing that but he lived very frugally and saved nearly every dime that did not go for food and lodging.

About 1998, he was living in the place where I live now. He invited to take me to dinner at Denny's, telling me that he always ate there on Monday nights because they offered a dinner special for only $4.95 which was a very good deal. We set up the dinner for the following Monday. That morning, he called me and said that he would have to cancel the dinner. I asked what was going on. He said that it was a holiday that day and the special did not apply on weekends or Holidays.

I asked if they were still open and he said yes. I asked how much the dinner would be if there was no special on and he said $5.95. I said, "Look Uncle Dave, I don't get to see you very often and it would be nice to get together and talk, its only $1.00 more, let's do it!" He said that he refused to pay $5.95 for a meal that could be had for $4.95. I said, "Uncle Dave, it's not the money, I would really like to see you and catch up on what you are doing. How about if I reimburse you the extra dollar?" He refused that offer, saying something like, "Its not the dollar but the principle involved."

His wife had died earlier and he left his inheritance to his only Son and his Wife. His Son, my cousin, is a replica of Uncle Dave and also lives frugally and saves most of his money. He isn't quite as tight. He would probably pay the extra $1 at Denny's.
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

MISERS
You hear stories from time to time about misers who have pinched every penny they've ever made all the way up to their dying moments.

One such guy was my Dad's brother, Uncle Dave. He was not all that rich when he died in 2001. He had about $1.2 million in bank accounts, bonds and mutual funds and he owned his home free and clear. His total estate was about $2 million. He was a sign painter all his life and just made a decent wage doing that but he lived very frugally and saved nearly every dime that did not go for food and lodging.

About 1998, he was living in the place where I live now. He invited to take me to dinner at Denny's, telling me that he always ate there on Monday nights because they offered a dinner special for only $4.95 which was a very good deal. We set up the dinner for the following Monday. That morning, he called me and said that he would have to cancel the dinner. I asked what was going on. He said that it was a holiday that day and the special did not apply on weekends or Holidays.

I asked if they were still open and he said yes. I asked how much the dinner would be if there was no special on and he said $5.95. I said, "Look Uncle Dave, I don't get to see you very often and it would be nice to get together and talk, its only $1.00 more, let's do it!" He said that he refused to pay $5.95 for a meal that could be had for $4.95. I said, "Uncle Dave, it's not the money, I would really like to see you and catch up on what you are doing. How about if I reimburse you the extra dollar?" He refused that offer, saying something like, "Its not the dollar but the principle involved."

His wife had died earlier and he left his inheritance to his only Son and his Wife. His Son, my cousin, is a replica of Uncle Dave and also lives frugally and saves most of his money. He isn't quite as tight. He would probably pay the extra $1 at Denny's.
Lakey


Point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k5ooaufrLM


Counter-Point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8zx68HENIA
 
MAJOR CHANGE IN MY ORIGINS OF CCLA STORY

I ran into an old friend from my CCLA days from 1970 to 1973. I'd been trying to locate him for years and a few days ago a friend request popped up from him on Facebook.

He was one of the movers and shakers who helped build CCLA but I didn't know it.

I wrote the story of the Origins of Celebrity Centre on Christmas Day of 2009. I did not know whether CCLA started in 1969 or 1970. The interviews which I conducted led to the conclusion that CCLA started in the Spring of 1970, probably in April.

That conclusion turns out to be false. CCLA first started delivering auditing in the spring of 1970 but it actually started in July, 1969. CCLA owned a house on Beacon St about 2 blocks from the Centre at 1809 W. 8th St. and they also owned the 8th St. Building by July, 1969. Frank Dunn had found the building for Yvonne.

There were intro lectures being given usually by Frank Dunn who was a volunteer and not officially on staff. They also were giving the HSDC (Hubbard Standard Dianetics Course) at Beacon St.

One of the principle people who contributed to starting Celebrity Centre was completely unknown to me as a co-founder although I did mention him as a performer. I am talking about Mario Fenninger, the classical pianist. In the late 60's he was delivering introductory Scientology course to artists in Paris, France. This became knownto LRH who encouraged Yvonne to contact Mario. The contact was made in 1969 and the HSDC course was the first major course offered by CCLA. Probably they also offered HAS (the communications course) and HQS and for sure they were doing the intro lectures.

Mario supervised the HSDC course at first. My friend had just finishing teaching an art course at USC, knew a lot of people and got USC air time on the Univerity's radio station. For doing that and helping in other ways, he was given the HSDC course at no charge. Supervising courses was not Mario's forte' so my friend soon took over supervision of the course.

My friend helped set up the 8th street building to deliver "Poetry by Candlelight". He hooked up with an Improv group and helped book the Improv team of Solari and Carr and also a group which I had totally forgot about until he jogged my memory, "The Keyout Players". He was also good friends with Bobby Lyons and did some radio work on KUSC with him. He also was introduced to Chick Correa There is more to his story which I will tell later.

I'm also going to update my thread on CCLA's Story of Origin so as to include this new and corrected data.
lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

MISERS
You hear stories from time to time about misers who have pinched every penny they've ever made all the way up to their dying moments.

One such guy was my Dad's brother, Uncle Dave. He was not all that rich when he died in 2001. He had about $1.2 million in bank accounts, bonds and mutual funds and he owned his home free and clear. His total estate was about $2 million. He was a sign painter all his life and just made a decent wage doing that but he lived very frugally and saved nearly every dime that did not go for food and lodging.

About 1998, he was living in the place where I live now. He invited to take me to dinner at Denny's, telling me that he always ate there on Monday nights because they offered a dinner special for only $4.95 which was a very good deal. We set up the dinner for the following Monday. That morning, he called me and said that he would have to cancel the dinner. I asked what was going on. He said that it was a holiday that day and the special did not apply on weekends or Holidays.

I asked if they were still open and he said yes. I asked how much the dinner would be if there was no special on and he said $5.95. I said, "Look Uncle Dave, I don't get to see you very often and it would be nice to get together and talk, its only $1.00 more, let's do it!" He said that he refused to pay $5.95 for a meal that could be had for $4.95. I said, "Uncle Dave, it's not the money, I would really like to see you and catch up on what you are doing. How about if I reimburse you the extra dollar?" He refused that offer, saying something like, "Its not the dollar but the principle involved."

His wife had died earlier and he left his inheritance to his only Son and his Wife. His Son, my cousin, is a replica of Uncle Dave and also lives frugally and saves most of his money. He isn't quite as tight. He would probably pay the extra $1 at Denny's.
Lakey

I've told this story before.

I like it.

The waitresses at Denny's on 9th and Alvarado were known for their sour dispositions in the 60s and 70s.

Don Warnock and some others from the LA Org academy levels were sitting in Denny's on Alvarado and 9th.

The waitress came up to take their order.

She said, "Good morning."

Don replied, "It's a lousy morning!"

She came up tone, and smiled. "Yes, it is."
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I've told this story before.

I like it.

The waitresses at Denny's on 9th and Alvarado were known for their sour dispositions in the 60s and 70s.

Don Warnock and some others from the LA Org academy levels were sitting in Denny's on Alvarado and 9th.

The waitress came up to take their order.

She said, "Good morning."

Don replied, "It's a lousy morning!"

She came up tone, and smiled. "Yes, it is."

The power of ARC. :biggrin:


Mark A. Baker
 
Misers

MISERS
You hear stories from time to time about misers who have pinched every penny they've ever made all the way up to their dying moments.

One such guy was my Dad's brother, Uncle Dave. He was not all that rich when he died in 2001. He had about $1.2 million in bank accounts, bonds and mutual funds and he owned his home free and clear. His total estate was about $2 million. He was a sign painter all his life and just made a decent wage doing that but he lived very frugally and saved nearly every dime that did not go for food and lodging.

About 1998, he was living in the place where I live now. He invited to take me to dinner at Denny's, telling me that he always ate there on Monday nights because they offered a dinner special for only $4.95 which was a very good deal. We set up the dinner for the following Monday. That morning, he called me and said that he would have to cancel the dinner. I asked what was going on. He said that it was a holiday that day and the special did not apply on weekends or Holidays.

I asked if they were still open and he said yes. I asked how much the dinner would be if there was no special on and he said $5.95. I said, "Look Uncle Dave, I don't get to see you very often and it would be nice to get together and talk, its only $1.00 more, let's do it!" He said that he refused to pay $5.95 for a meal that could be had for $4.95. I said, "Uncle Dave, it's not the money, I would really like to see you and catch up on what you are doing. How about if I reimburse you the extra dollar?" He refused that offer, saying something like, "Its not the dollar but the principle involved."

His wife had died earlier and he left his inheritance to his only Son and his Wife. His Son, my cousin, is a replica of Uncle Dave and also lives frugally and saves most of his money. He isn't quite as tight. He would probably pay the extra $1 at Denny's.
Lakey

[video=youtube;yYtfejT4QgM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYtfejT4QgM[/video]
 
Re: The Old Days 1973-Part 5-The $65,000 Reg Cycle

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THE $65.000 REG CYCLE - Toward the end of 1987, I was in good financial shape. I had refinanced our home and pulled out $25,000 and was trying to buy a fixer upper home and turn it over to make a profit, partly for more NOTS and to get my wife on NOTS. I had combined a first and second mortgage into an extremely low interest 1st with a very low payment. My credit rating was very good. I wanted to borrow $5,000 from an acquaintance, Chris Lucas, to complete the amount on account at AOLA so I could complete my NOTS at AO. Chris ran right to the Flag registrars and told them I had $25 k I wanted to use on a non Scientology venture and needed to borrow $5k to up my AOLA account to do more NOTS. The was a team of 3 registrars, Wendy, JoAnne and Robin Filios. They immediate contacted me and wanted to get together to talk over a big Flag package. I discussed it with my wife and we agreed that we did not want a big Flag cycle at this time. Our daughter was only 2 months old and was breast feeding and we wanted to turn over a fixer upper home to get more money under our belt before we looked at any major flag cycles. I told this to Wendy or JoAnne.

About a week later on a WEDNESDAY night (Thursday is stat day), I got home from work and was going to go work out at the gym and for some reason I decided not to go. God, I wish I would have gone to the gym. Around 7 PM our doorbell rings and it is 3 registrars showing up unannounced and we lived 27 miles from the ORG. They wanted to meet with me one on one and I had not eaten yet and they invited to take me to a restaurant. My wife objected and made it known in no uncertain terms that we did not want to spend any money that night. She could not go because of the two month old Daughter and 4 year old Son. She got me to promise that I would not buy or sign anything and got the reges to promise not to strong arm me.

We got to the restaurant at 8 PM and were there until 2:00 AM when the restaurant was closing and asked us to leave. The 3 of them triple teamed me and just kept coming after me with different sales pitches for nearly 6 hours. They got Fred Schwartz on the phone at AOLA and he regged me for about 30 minutes on the phone. They had put together a $65,000 package which included $12,000 to Wise so as to shore up my business, $4,000 for lifetime IAS memberships for me and my wife, about $20k to AOLA for wife's bridge (she was currently a Clear from Dianetics and no OT levels) and just under $40,000 for me to complete NOTS at Flag. After 6 hours, and knowing that I had to get up at 7:00 AM and face a big day at work, I CAVED IN TO THEM AND AGREEDTO THE CYCLE. We had to refi our home and take every available amount of cash out of it though Chris Lucas's loan company. Our house payment was hundreds and hundreds of dollars higher for 30 years. Ultimately, a recession hit in the 1991 period and we lost our house because I could not keep up the payments.

THE 3 REGISTRARS - Robin Filios is one of the finest people I have ever met.
I think she realized right away that this reg cycle was not really ethical. She pulled out of the 3 reg team and moved back East to her home state. The other two, Wendy and Joanne I view as DB's. I started shunning them when I passed them at AOLA and Joanne got into comm with me. I told her we lost the house and she admitted that what she did was an overt against me and she proudly stated that she had written up her overts in an ethics cycle. I said, "Great, you wrote up your overts, and me and my family lost our house so now we are even." Wendy never got in comm with me about the cycle. I finally decided the best policy is for me just to say Hi! cheerfully and wave to them but to never converse with them and that is what I began doing after my talk with JoAnne. Wendy is OT VIII and one of the top FSM's in the USA according to the promo I still receive. That matters not to me. To me she is still a rude, pushy Degraded Being. Thank goodness I haven't been in to an Org in about 7 years so I no longer have to see their faces!

Well, that is it for this Chapter. Next chapter to come soom.......

That's the part I hate about Scientology I hate the most. That "make it go right" bullshit. Never a chance at stability or financial serenity.

Bastards
 
Re: The Old Days 1973-Part 5-The $65,000 Reg Cycle

That's the part I hate about Scientology I hate the most. That "make it go right" bullshit. Never a chance at stability or financial serenity.

Bastards

I was dumb/naive enough to believe that if I gave them all my money, I would "pull in" more.....that it would "Open up my money flows". I believed all their BS. :duh:
 
Re: The Old Days 1973-Part 5-The $65,000 Reg Cycle

I was dumb/naive enough to believe that if I gave them all my money, I would "pull in" more.....that it would "Open up my money flows". I believed all their BS. :duh:

CCLA Registrar Hector Carmona used to assure his prospects that for every $1 of money one donated for Scientology services, $4 would come back to you as a result of your "donating to 'theta' instead of "MEST". I never accepted that and told Hector it was "pie in the sky" or wishful thinking. Hector really believed this to be true and would answer by looking you right in the eye and telling you that if you really examine the facts objectively, you would agree with his conclusion.

I talked to Hector 3 times by phone in early 2010 and met him once in person and I brought this up to him again. He said that he once believed it very strongly but as time went by, he came to change his mind. He stressed that if he had not believed it was true, he never would have used that phrase "close" people.

Probably the truth is that if one firmly believed it, it would tend to come true and if one firmly disbelieved it would not turn out that way. I never believed and for me, Hector's magic cantation almost never worked. I say, almost, because on a couple of occasions, I paid Hector a significant sum of money and then in a day or two, a referral would call in to my construction company and tell me that I come highly recommended and they want to hire me for a large job. Probably, it was just a coincidence but I would take it as a validation of what Hector told me.
Lakey
 
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