The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[lkwdblds]

Re: The World's best Mozart pianist?

Not sure what I want most. A girlfriend like Helene or to
be able to play this poece like her.

Late Beethoven


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPpy5YrhMp4

Right on! With her looks, especially her face, she could also be a runway model or perhaps a fine actress in the mold of Greta Garbo. Quite a dilemma you propose above. For me, it is age dependent. At 25-30 I would have picked having her as a girlfriend but now, I would take being able to play piano like she does.

Also, I would probably take having the ability to write great music which could plumb the depths of human emotion above just about anything else.

Helene is quite fluent in English and is an excellent speaker- check her out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_dw9-Bt_sM

Lakey

P.S. - Something weird is still happening with this thread. Last night the "views" tally was at 658,000 (up 5,000 from the previous day) and this morning it had shot up to 663,000. That is 10,000 reads in two days about 8 times our average!) Almost all of the reads are from non members. It sure would be nice to know who is reading the thread.

 

[FoTi]

Re: The World's best Mozart pianist?

Also, I would probably take having the ability to write great music which could plumb the depths of human emotion above just about anything else.

Have you done anything in the direction of trying to do this, this lifetime?

Helene is quite fluent in English and is an excellent speaker- check her out:

I find it very interesting that she has color associations with the notes in the music. That must be fascinating to experience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_dw9-Bt_sM

Lakey

P.S. - Something weird is still happening with this thread. Last night the "views" tally was at 658,000 (up 5,000 from the previous day) and this morning it had shot up to 663,000. That is 10,000 reads in two days about 8 times our average!) Almost all of the reads are from non members. It sure would be nice to know who is reading the thread.

Thanks for the videos, Lakey.

She is quite charming.

Her physical appearance reminds me of Julia Roberts.

 

[Terril park]

Re: The World's best Mozart pianist?

"P.S. - Something weird is still happening with this thread. Last night the "views" tally was at 658,000 (up 5,000 from the previous day) and this morning it had shot up to 663,000. That is 10,000 reads in two days about 8 times our average!) Almost all of the reads are from non members. It sure would be nice to know who is reading the thread."

Music lovers?

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The World's best Mozart pianist?

Thanks for the videos, Lakey.

She is quite charming.

Her physical appearance reminds me of Julia Roberts.

FoTi - I don't seem to have any ability to compose music or even to play an instrument. I do seem to have some talent as a singer but my main musical talent is only to remember the melodies and lyrics of pieces, both classical and popular. After hearing something I like a few times, the lyrics and the melody remain in my mind for the rest of my life. I can instantly drag them up and whistle of sing them.

I've written before about having lived a life from 1763 to 1827 in Austria and Germany where I was a bass singer in a troupe run by Emmanuel Shikaneder, a well known impresario of that day, who put on operas and operettas. Besides singing, I participated with 3 other members of that troupe in composing our own operas to perform. In 1790 this troupe created a new opera called "The Philosopher's Stone". We were all good friends with Mozart and he chipped in and wrote and donated two of the arias for that opera.

That opera was quite successful and Shikaneder got the idea of hiring Mozart to write a sequel to that opera which became the "Magic Flute". The Magic Flute came out 1 year later in Sept. of 1791. The two operas had the same cast and conductor and the story lines and some of the arias are quite similar.

The "Magic Flute" caught on with the public and was an enormous success, something like 1,000 performances in Vienna in its first 3 years. Shikaneder became a rich, respected and famous man because of it. Mozart's days of tight money would have been over and he would have become wealthy as well but alas, he took ill and died at age 35 only a little more than two months after the premiere.

I don't have 100% certainty on these past life impressions. Some of the memories are there and a lot of it I have read about and filled in the gaps. I tend to believe it but do not have certainty.

Regarding your comments about Helene Grimaud; in another interview she says that she vibrates with every note of the music which she loves and then adds that she also vibrates in between the notes. She says that sometimes she gets the most enjoyment by vibrating in between the notes!
Lakey

 

[Terril park]

Re: The World's best Mozart pianist?

Though I normally like those musicians who live dangerously, use lots of
rubato etc, I was initially unsure how much I liked Helene. All my favorite conductors are dead. Furtwangler,Celebidache, Schershen, Mitropolous,
Kousivitsky, Knappertsbush et al. I also like the strong structure and rhythmic
solidity of Horenstein, Klemperer, Toscanini and Boult.

But I'm becomone addicted to Helene. I've listened to this full version
of Bach's great Chaconne maybe 20 times now.

This stuff is hard. But very rewarding. One of the pinnacles of human creation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9DlMNnpPM

 

[Leon]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Yeah, That was superb. Amazingly rich and full in her playing. I think I'll end up listening to it 20 times too.

Thanks

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Yeah, That was superb. Amazingly rich and full in her playing. I think I'll end up listening to it 20 times too.

Thanks

MORE ON THE "HELENE GRIMAUD SHOW
My favorite Bach keyboard piece has always been his keyboard concerto #1 in D Minor. This is a snippet made up of the highlights of the first movement. Ms. Grimaud looks younger in this video than the other videos presented above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BOB1NY38AA

The late pianist Glenn Gould is well knows for his renditions of Bach. This piece is referred to as a "piano" concerto but was probably written for the harpsichord. At the time it was written, the piano was in its infancy and could not have done jusstice to this piece. There is an anecdote that Bach tried out a piano of his day and found it wanting. It seems the first decent pianos were developed by Stein in Austria in the 1770's. Even those aren't anything like today's pianos but they had some offsetting features, such as being able to respond to a very delicate touch, which makes some artists still use them today.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

On the Evolution of the Piano

A great pianist and musicologist, Robert Levin, gives a remarkable series of 3 lectures describing the development of the piano. In the early days, the piano was developing very quickly and Levin likens it to the computer industry in its early days. Features and range were continuously expanding.

Levin uses Mozart to illustrate how the piano developed. In his day, the piano frame was wood, the hammers were covered with leather and at first there was no pedal. On this type of piano loud bombastic outbursts were not possible. Beethoven started out with this type of piano but when he reached his mid 30's in 1805, huge powerful pianos built on metal frames began to proliferate. These approximated what we have today.

Levin has a series of 3 videos describing all of this:

Here is Part 1 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWKbOGMqDVw

Here is Part 2 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-DEhpPgtSY&feature=relmfu

Here is Part 3 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPuxV0xXEc8&feature=relmfu

Lakey

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsDL2y9e59I&feature=related

 

[purple haze]

Sex is the answer

"P.S. - Something weird is still happening with this thread. Last night the "views" tally was at 658,000 (up 5,000 from the previous day) and this morning it had shot up to 663,000. That is 10,000 reads in two days about 8 times our average!) Almost all of the reads are from non members. It sure would be nice to know who is reading the thread."

Music lovers?

Hi Terril,

My but you guys all getting turned on to lovely sights with music is contagious. Having been young myself and getting this type of attention can be fun on any flow, especially after a wonderful 'hike' last night with an old friend.

Started me thinking, which can be sexy for a certain type of discerning male at any age...

And the result, straight from the purple haze herself

Hello. I've just tried to consider the possible consequences of the Scientology Independent Field imploding from within and separating into warring fiefdoms. What a nightmare!
Apparently whilst I was away in Paradise surfing my brains out and taking care of my family for 28 years, this condition of the Independent Field has actually flourished, with folks attacking each other both overtly and covertly. No wonder there are factions and negativity being expressed.
The latest I've noticed is to do with another 'us and them' declaration on the Internet this very morning.
When looking at the entire BIG picture I've come to see over the past 7 years since I arrived in the mecca of sunny Southern California, it seems to me that those admirable folks who have been egregiously attacked by the Church of Scientology and who have gallantly fought back, such as Mike and Marty, Gerry Armstrong, Tory, Aida, Bent and Mary Corydon, etc etc deserve our admiration, and not the denigration which I've recently heard coming from some self righteous, self appointed 'saviors of Scientology' corner = not honorable tactics in my estimation.
Of course I am not including in this opinion, those innocent well-meaning persons trying to be supportive and helpful, who without a clue and without a panoramic view of the overall game, naively fuel and propagate with the purest of good intent, the fodder for the church's cannon pointing in all directions except at itself.
IMHO we all do our best with the amazing technology which was originally given freely, and which we were each able to assimilate and grok in our own way. We who were each attracted to the promising idea of freedom of mind and spirit, were mesmerized by the source of the idea, gave power to it, and contributed to it. As I mature in my fortieth year of freedom from being actively involved within that dynamic, I find I honor and respect each person who has been through that mental meat grinder organization.
Hats off to everyone both in and out and on the fence and anti and those carrying on delivering as best they can...
It's without a doubt that I suspect the current administration of the CoS is reveling in any idea publicly presented which creates a divide and conquer opportunity for them yet again.
Thank goodness for Freedom of Speech and the Internet.
God Bless America! Aloha and Namaste, Candy Swanson aka Purple Haze

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The World's best Mozart pianist?

... But I'm becomone addicted to Helene. I've listened to this full version
of Bach's great Chaconne maybe 20 times now.

This stuff is hard. But very rewarding. One of the pinnacles of human creation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9DlMNnpPM

Very nice technique, but I'm sorry, ...

Bach played on a piano is simply wrong. It's an unnatural act.​

Mark A. Baker

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: Sex is the answer

Hi Terril,

My but you guys all getting turned on to lovely sights with music is contagious. Having been young myself and getting this type of attention can be fun on any flow, especially after a wonderful 'hike' last night with an old friend.

Started me thinking, which can be sexy for a certain type of discerning male at any age...

And the result, straight from the purple haze herself

Hello. I've just tried to consider the possible consequences of the Scientology Independent Field imploding from within and separating into warring fiefdoms. What a nightmare!
Apparently whilst I was away in Paradise surfing my brains out and taking care of my family for 28 years, this condition of the Independent Field has actually flourished, with folks attacking each other both overtly and covertly. No wonder there are factions and negativity being expressed.
The latest I've noticed is to do with another 'us and them' declaration on the Internet this very morning.
When looking at the entire BIG picture I've come to see over the past 7 years since I arrived in the mecca of sunny Southern California, it seems to me that those admirable folks who have been egregiously attacked by the Church of Scientology and who have gallantly fought back, such as Mike and Marty, Gerry Armstrong, Tory, Aida, Bent and Mary Corydon, etc etc deserve our admiration, and not the denigration which I've recently heard coming from some self righteous, self appointed 'saviors of Scientology' corner = not honorable tactics in my estimation.
Of course I am not including in this opinion, those innocent well-meaning persons trying to be supportive and helpful, who without a clue and without a panoramic view of the overall game, naively fuel and propagate with the purest of good intent, the fodder for the church's cannon pointing in all directions except at itself.
IMHO we all do our best with the amazing technology which was originally given freely, and which we were each able to assimilate and grok in our own way. We who were each attracted to the promising idea of freedom of mind and spirit, were mesmerized by the source of the idea, gave power to it, and contributed to it. As I mature in my fortieth year of freedom from being actively involved within that dynamic, I find I honor and respect each person who has been through that mental meat grinder organization.
Hats off to everyone both in and out and on the fence and anti and those carrying on delivering as best they can...
It's without a doubt that I suspect the current administration of the CoS is reveling in any idea publicly presented which creates a divide and conquer opportunity for them yet again.
Thank goodness for Freedom of Speech and the Internet.
God Bless America! Aloha and Namaste, Candy Swanson aka Purple Haze

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3364588/2coryden.zip

This file has the talk Bent gave in Denmark (at le Gerstrøms flat), and an interview John Hansen made of Bent Coryden.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

o wow man. almost up to page 1500

 

[JackStraw]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Welcome back, C.O. We've missed you!

Whatcha been up to (if it's fodder for the thread, of course.)

Jack

 

[purple haze]

Re: Sex is the answer from the Grand Master

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3364588/2coryden.zip

This file has the talk Bent gave in Denmark (at le Gerstrøms flat), and an interview John Hansen made of Bent Coryden.

Lovely, Carmelo! two nice audio tapes. well done. I prefer to hear it from the horse's mouth, rather than from a third person.

Excellent!

Mahalo!

 

[Terril park]

Re: The World's best Mozart pianist?

Very nice technique, but I'm sorry, ...

Bach played on a piano is simply wrong. It's an unnatural act.​

Mark A. Baker

Never took you for a philistine. Or ignorant.

Bach played anyway is always right!!!!

There is some truth in your comment but it misses what is important.

In your defense :-

http://pianostreet.hubpages.com/hub/Bach-on-the-Piano

However we here have something written for solo violin transcribed for Piano. Yes its perhaps unnatural. But that is completely irrelevant. Much as I love it on solo violin I far prefer it on piano. It transcends any limitations and IMO even transcends late Beethoven sonata's including Hammerclavier. There can be no higher praise. And don't miss out on Helene playing Beethoven opus 110!

Get a room and play this until you find it natural and get a life.

It will be, wherever you are, a better one.

 

[Terril park]

Re: Sex is the answer

Hi Terril,

My but you guys all getting turned on to lovely sights with music is contagious. Having been young myself and getting this type of attention can be fun on any flow, especially after a wonderful 'hike' last night with an old friend.

Started me thinking, which can be sexy for a certain type of discerning male at any age...

And the result, straight from the purple haze herself

Hello. I've just tried to consider the possible consequences of the Scientology Independent Field imploding from within and separating into warring fiefdoms. What a nightmare!
Apparently whilst I was away in Paradise surfing my brains out and taking care of my family for 28 years, this condition of the Independent Field has actually flourished, with folks attacking each other both overtly and covertly. No wonder there are factions and negativity being expressed.
The latest I've noticed is to do with another 'us and them' declaration on the Internet this very morning.
When looking at the entire BIG picture I've come to see over the past 7 years since I arrived in the mecca of sunny Southern California, it seems to me that those admirable folks who have been egregiously attacked by the Church of Scientology and who have gallantly fought back, such as Mike and Marty, Gerry Armstrong, Tory, Aida, Bent and Mary Corydon, etc etc deserve our admiration, and not the denigration which I've recently heard coming from some self righteous, self appointed 'saviors of Scientology' corner = not honorable tactics in my estimation.
Of course I am not including in this opinion, those innocent well-meaning persons trying to be supportive and helpful, who without a clue and without a panoramic view of the overall game, naively fuel and propagate with the purest of good intent, the fodder for the church's cannon pointing in all directions except at itself.
IMHO we all do our best with the amazing technology which was originally given freely, and which we were each able to assimilate and grok in our own way. We who were each attracted to the promising idea of freedom of mind and spirit, were mesmerized by the source of the idea, gave power to it, and contributed to it. As I mature in my fortieth year of freedom from being actively involved within that dynamic, I find I honor and respect each person who has been through that mental meat grinder organization.
Hats off to everyone both in and out and on the fence and anti and those carrying on delivering as best they can...
It's without a doubt that I suspect the current administration of the CoS is reveling in any idea publicly presented which creates a divide and conquer opportunity for them yet again.
Thank goodness for Freedom of Speech and the Internet.
God Bless America! Aloha and Namaste, Candy Swanson aka Purple Haze

Well Ms sexy,
Sadly I missed out on surfing my brains out with you. I'd have LOVED that!

A serious lack in my education.

However did many comparable things.

Guess I fall into the innocent and well meaning category.

 

[Leon]

Re: The World's best Mozart pianist?

Very nice technique, but I'm sorry, ...

Bach played on a piano is simply wrong. It's an unnatural act.​

Mark A. Baker

This is nonsense. One is not listening to "Bach", one listens to music. It is in present time and whoever composed it or arranged it or did whatever to it is completely irrelevant. The music is now. One enjoys it, or not, now.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The World's best Mozart pianist?

Very nice technique, but I'm sorry, ...

Bach played on a piano is simply wrong. It's an unnatural act.​

Mark A. Baker

That's one person's opinion. I don't think Glenn Gould would have agreed with you. It would be nice if there were a lot of top recordings of Bach's keyboard works performed on the harpsichord, or the clavichord, the keyboard instruments of his day. For some reason, not very many Bach recordings were made using those instruments.

The same thing could be said, to a somewhat lesser extent, for the piano works of Mozart or other professional musicians of his time period such as many of the works of Clementi, Pleyel or early Hummel. As Robert Levin brilliantly illustrated on his Video #2 which I posted yesterday, the piano of the 1780's was not at all comparable to 20th century pianos or even 19th century pianos after about 1805. When you play a work written in the 1780's on a modern Steinway, the nuances of the piece are altered drastically.

Levin and a few others have brought back playing the pieces on "period" instruments. These types of performances are extremely enjoyable and also educational but nevertheless, the vast majority of today's pianist prefer to play 18th century piano works on a big modern 21st century piano.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

The Ethics Officer Learns Something

Doing an ethics cycle on a client of Purple's, something was brought up by the client which caused me to have a big epiphany.

Back in 2009, I was a regular on the "Oh! God!" thread hosted by Vinaire. As I recall, Vinaire or one of the contributors to the thread made a statement which stuck with me considering there being only two differences between "God" and "Man".

#1 - Man has only one viewpoint but "God" has an infinite number of viewpoints.
#2 - Man is sometimes "Cause" and sometimes "Effect" but "God" is always "Cause".

Though very simple, I found these two points quite workable. The client whom I was doing an ethics action on was talking about prayer and about the communication formula and he stated that for "God" to listen to prayer, he has to put himself at effect. I had never thought of this but it yanked a stable datum I was holding onto right out from under me, i.e. "God" was not always at "Cause". Man was given free will and to communicate with man, God had to act as "effect".

Usually, when this happens, the person whose stable datum has been knocked out goes into a spin but this wasn't happening with me. I was becoming more stable and happier!

The client quickly clarified what he was saying. He stated that "God" had to choose to be "at" effect in receiving a communication from a man but God does not "become" the effect of the communication. The client's remarks took to a higher awareness that which I had originally taken from the dialogue on Vinaire's thread!

It was a big win for me personally but since I was handling another person, I could not openly express my new awareness to the client. In lieu of saying something at the time, I am saying it here. Maybe someone else might find this useful. Maybe they might think I am being too simplistic, who knows? Either way, its nice to have the opportunity to state one's epiphanies!
Lakey