The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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lkwdblds
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
No more follow ups. I really am appreciative of your honest and thorough response. Of course, I had a concept of how you viewed me and that turned out to be accurate as far as it went but I wanted more than a concept and wanted a fuller understanding stated in your own words. You were kind enough to oblige me and that is all I was after. I think that you showed a lot of class and good character by stating your views honestly. It is worthy of respect.
I think you have me pigeonholed a little incorrectly as far as being sociable. My social skills are below average. Learning Hubbard's TR drills improved them from horrible up to substandard.
I have no further interest in engaging you in further discussion either, nor will I change one iota as a result of reading your criticisms. I respect your critique and the spirit in which it is offered but don't agree with any of its key points. There are people whose critiques I admire and find helpful. Smila, Ted, Roger, Carmelo, Hats and Face come to mind. There are others but I can't name them all.
What I will do is read your posts objectively and if they are particularly good or bad in my estimation, I will click on the appropriate like and unlike buttons. Currently, you are running about 4 or 5 to 1 to the "like" side with me. If we see each other at an event let's just ignore one another without any hard feelings. It is good to bring this cycle to an end!
Lakey
Generally I don't bother responding to your posts directly much anymore, Lakey. Not much point. However, since you feelingly have asked in a direct fashion a legitimate question concerning the nature of reasonable discussion I will respond.
The fact is your characterization of your 'reasoning' process is inaccurate. In your posts, you routinely show very little propensity for abstract thinking or the ability to reason with available data. Those are processes which involve stripping concepts down to the minimum and deducing the relationships implied therein. This is very much in the spirit of Einstein's famous quip concerning physics.
Moreover, contrary to your own belief TAJ & SoT, with both of whom I frequently disagree, nonetheless routinely do a pretty d@mn good job on focusing on the essential points of an argument and not wandering around in irrelevancies. That is certainly true as regards the sort of casual discussion characteristic of online discussion boards such as this. In general they are both very conscientious and fairly conservative regarding the conclusions they draw in a line of argument.
You, on the otherhand, leap joyfully across an abyss of unreason & assumptions in order to land upon a favored outcropping, i.e. a pre-determined & favored conclusion. Not not only do you too often fail to grasp the basics of whatever principles are presently being discussed on the board, you frequently interject irrelevant and unrelated data which conforms to your own assumptions; and offered up by you as an 'explanation'.
This is an issue which has been drawn to your attention on numerous occasions on the board and by a variety of different correspondents. So it is not to be dismissed as something 'personal' between us. Believe me, there is nothing 'personal' between us.
Far from being insightful, analytical, or rational, such ability as you routinely appear to exhibit in communication is centered on being seen as 'chatty' and 'affable'. Sociable skills as these are often valued by some in and for themselves, but for the particular purpose of advancing insight through resort to discourse focused on reason, debate, and intelligent discussion, they have a very limited utility.
Mark A. Baker
p.s. don't expect a follow-up. I've little interest in engaging you in a discussion.
No more follow ups. I really am appreciative of your honest and thorough response. Of course, I had a concept of how you viewed me and that turned out to be accurate as far as it went but I wanted more than a concept and wanted a fuller understanding stated in your own words. You were kind enough to oblige me and that is all I was after. I think that you showed a lot of class and good character by stating your views honestly. It is worthy of respect.
I think you have me pigeonholed a little incorrectly as far as being sociable. My social skills are below average. Learning Hubbard's TR drills improved them from horrible up to substandard.
I have no further interest in engaging you in further discussion either, nor will I change one iota as a result of reading your criticisms. I respect your critique and the spirit in which it is offered but don't agree with any of its key points. There are people whose critiques I admire and find helpful. Smila, Ted, Roger, Carmelo, Hats and Face come to mind. There are others but I can't name them all.
What I will do is read your posts objectively and if they are particularly good or bad in my estimation, I will click on the appropriate like and unlike buttons. Currently, you are running about 4 or 5 to 1 to the "like" side with me. If we see each other at an event let's just ignore one another without any hard feelings. It is good to bring this cycle to an end!
Lakey
Auditor's Toad
Clear as Mud
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Mark, that was a remarkably - and deadly accurate post !
Thank you, this IS an instance of where I think you expressed what many many readers & posters have tried to endure from him.
Generally I don't bother responding to your posts directly much anymore, Lakey. Not much point. However, since you feelingly have asked in a direct fashion a legitimate question concerning the nature of reasonable discussion I will respond.
The fact is your characterization of your 'reasoning' process is inaccurate. In your posts, you routinely show very little propensity for abstract thinking or the ability to reason with available data. Those are processes which involve stripping concepts down to the minimum and deducing the relationships implied therein. This is very much in the spirit of Einstein's famous quip concerning physics.
Moreover, contrary to your own belief TAJ & SoT, with both of whom I frequently disagree, nonetheless routinely do a pretty d@mn good job on focusing on the essential points of an argument and not wandering around in irrelevancies. That is certainly true as regards the sort of casual discussion characteristic of online discussion boards such as this. In general they are both very conscientious and fairly conservative regarding the conclusions they draw in a line of argument.
You, on the otherhand, leap joyfully across an abyss of unreason & assumptions in order to land upon a favored outcropping, i.e. a pre-determined & favored conclusion. Not not only do you too often fail to grasp the basics of whatever principles are presently being discussed on the board, you frequently interject irrelevant and unrelated data which conforms to your own assumptions; and offered up by you as an 'explanation'.
This is an issue which has been drawn to your attention on numerous occasions on the board and by a variety of different correspondents. So it is not to be dismissed as something 'personal' between us. Believe me, there is nothing 'personal' between us.
Far from being insightful, analytical, or rational, such ability as you routinely appear to exhibit in communication is centered on being seen as 'chatty' and 'affable'. Sociable skills as these are often valued by some in and for themselves, but for the particular purpose of advancing insight through resort to discourse focused on reason, debate, and intelligent discussion, they have a very limited utility.
Mark A. Baker
p.s. don't expect a follow-up. I've little interest in engaging you in a discussion.
Mark, that was a remarkably - and deadly accurate post !
Thank you, this IS an instance of where I think you expressed what many many readers & posters have tried to endure from him.
Mimsey Borogrove
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Mimsey
WTF - do you want real facts or a good tale? Sheesh! But that is what he told me.
Mimsey
Hatshepsut
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
WHAT KEPT YA FROM ROLLING OVER THE SIDE ?
Holy Toledo!
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/011230.htm
WHAT KEPT YA FROM ROLLING OVER THE SIDE ?
Holy Toledo!
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/011230.htm
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Ted
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Back in '73, my girlfriend and I took a brief harbor cruise on an SO ship, said to have come down from Long Beach. It was painted an off-white color--as I recall. One of its two engines was said to be out of commission. It was rusty, dirty, items not stowed for making way, crews quarters stunk of body odor. Mid-afternoon, none of the racks had been made. Clothes and towels were laying about--totally unacceptable by a real Navy's standards.
Was that the Bolivar?
Among ourselves, we used to call our ship a puke bucket. It was a Rolls-Royce compared to the junker SO ship I saw.
Anyone who has owned a boat on the water knowns or will find out what a drain on finances these things can be. It cost the taxpayers $millions to keep a Navy afloat not even counting the cost of the initial build. Hubbard had to have boats. He had to have toys. He had to play Commodore. He had to play out his harebrained fantasies. And it costed the Scientology public dearly.
Here's a real ship, built to deliver heavy communications and reality adjustments. She was commissioned in 1953. She wasn't that much newer than the Bolivar. We never put anyone in the chain locker, especially children who were never aboard when underway. The officers and crew ate well and were paid every two weeks. We were extensively trained for our jobs. Captain's Masts (judgement of wrongdoing) were rarely held. I remember just one in over 3 years.
I could go on with the comparisons.
Back in '73, my girlfriend and I took a brief harbor cruise on an SO ship, said to have come down from Long Beach. It was painted an off-white color--as I recall. One of its two engines was said to be out of commission. It was rusty, dirty, items not stowed for making way, crews quarters stunk of body odor. Mid-afternoon, none of the racks had been made. Clothes and towels were laying about--totally unacceptable by a real Navy's standards.
Was that the Bolivar?
Among ourselves, we used to call our ship a puke bucket. It was a Rolls-Royce compared to the junker SO ship I saw.
Anyone who has owned a boat on the water knowns or will find out what a drain on finances these things can be. It cost the taxpayers $millions to keep a Navy afloat not even counting the cost of the initial build. Hubbard had to have boats. He had to have toys. He had to play Commodore. He had to play out his harebrained fantasies. And it costed the Scientology public dearly.
Here's a real ship, built to deliver heavy communications and reality adjustments. She was commissioned in 1953. She wasn't that much newer than the Bolivar. We never put anyone in the chain locker, especially children who were never aboard when underway. The officers and crew ate well and were paid every two weeks. We were extensively trained for our jobs. Captain's Masts (judgement of wrongdoing) were rarely held. I remember just one in over 3 years.
I could go on with the comparisons.
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Apparently this song was written for Carmelo and my other pal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4evzpIVnMVs
Apparently this song was written for Carmelo and my other pal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4evzpIVnMVs
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Here's a wake-me-up little ditty for all my friends in the Lone Star State:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQoXnz3h_FE
Here's a wake-me-up little ditty for all my friends in the Lone Star State:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQoXnz3h_FE
RogerB
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
For you seafarers, this below is one of the classes of vessels on which I served my Ozzie National Service (begun in 1955).
It's called a Fairmile, and was used as a sub-chaser in the war.
Reading wiki on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmile_A_motor_launch
I am surprised so few were made and that one of them survived for us to train on out of Sydney Harbour
It was only 110' long with 17' 5" beam and shallow draft -- 4' 6" forward, 6' 6" aft. And when underway at top speed, you really felt the motion and the ocean . . . and, of course, there are some tales on that!
Though there is/was also a "B" version that succeeded what I believe I was on, the B version was 112" long with 18' 3" beam and a very shallow draft of 4' 10" . . . here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmile_B_motor_launch
Hmm, reading wiki on each of these versions of the boat, it appears I might have been on the version "B" even though I was told my vessel was 110" . . . this because there were a number of the "B" version built in South Africa during the war (also NZ and Canada), and mine was a vessel out of S. Africa.
Rog
For you seafarers, this below is one of the classes of vessels on which I served my Ozzie National Service (begun in 1955).
It's called a Fairmile, and was used as a sub-chaser in the war.
Reading wiki on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmile_A_motor_launch
I am surprised so few were made and that one of them survived for us to train on out of Sydney Harbour
It was only 110' long with 17' 5" beam and shallow draft -- 4' 6" forward, 6' 6" aft. And when underway at top speed, you really felt the motion and the ocean . . . and, of course, there are some tales on that!
Though there is/was also a "B" version that succeeded what I believe I was on, the B version was 112" long with 18' 3" beam and a very shallow draft of 4' 10" . . . here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmile_B_motor_launch
Hmm, reading wiki on each of these versions of the boat, it appears I might have been on the version "B" even though I was told my vessel was 110" . . . this because there were a number of the "B" version built in South Africa during the war (also NZ and Canada), and mine was a vessel out of S. Africa.
Rog
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Lastly this morning, ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtGdJQrnnkQ&feature=related
Lastly this morning, ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtGdJQrnnkQ&feature=related
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I rode the Bolivar in 1971, when I was at Santa Clara center. It was nice then.
Back in '73, my girlfriend and I took a brief harbor cruise on an SO ship, said to have come down from Long Beach. It was painted an off-white color--as I recall. One of its two engines was said to be out of commission. It was rusty, dirty, items not stowed for making way, crews quarters stunk of body odor. Mid-afternoon, none of the racks had been made. Clothes and towels were laying about--totally unacceptable by a real Navy's standards.
Was that the Bolivar?
Among ourselves, we used to call our ship a puke bucket. It was a Rolls-Royce compared to the junker SO ship I saw.
Anyone who has owned a boat on the water knowns or will find out what a drain on finances these things can be. It cost the taxpayers $millions to keep a Navy afloat not even counting the cost of the initial build. Hubbard had to have boats. He had to have toys. He had to play Commodore. He had to play out his harebrained fantasies. And it costed the Scientology public dearly.
Here's a real ship, built to deliver heavy communications and reality adjustments. She was commissioned in 1953. She wasn't that much newer than the Bolivar. We never put anyone in the chain locker, especially children who were never aboard when underway. The officers and crew ate well and were paid every two weeks. We were extensively trained for our jobs. Captain's Masts (judgement of wrongdoing) were rarely held. I remember just one in over 3 years.
I could go on with the comparisons.
I rode the Bolivar in 1971, when I was at Santa Clara center. It was nice then.
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
As Hubbard would say, you would need something of comparable magnitude to properly determine if it were nice or not.
As Hubbard would say, you would need something of comparable magnitude to properly determine if it were nice or not.
Mimsey Borogrove
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Man - is memory deceptive. I look at the pictures of the ship and compare what I recall - wow. I remember the back of the ship being wide and flat with the racks where the depth charges went. I vaguely recall the tower? where the bridge was. The crew were going to make a run to Hawaii and back. One of them was telling me they were going to make each SO member in pac spend some time of the ship, to bring them up to snuff.
I was also told they wanted to get an auditor on board to handle their cases - they were using ethics as a substitution for auditing. Ie: they would put some on in danger if he got upset, instead of flying his rudes. I also remember them saying they had a lot of guns on the ship and they liked going out to the channel islands and shooting the place up. Kids!
When I was on the ship touring it, they hadn't painted it white - it was still grey.
Mimsey
Man - is memory deceptive. I look at the pictures of the ship and compare what I recall - wow. I remember the back of the ship being wide and flat with the racks where the depth charges went. I vaguely recall the tower? where the bridge was. The crew were going to make a run to Hawaii and back. One of them was telling me they were going to make each SO member in pac spend some time of the ship, to bring them up to snuff.
I was also told they wanted to get an auditor on board to handle their cases - they were using ethics as a substitution for auditing. Ie: they would put some on in danger if he got upset, instead of flying his rudes. I also remember them saying they had a lot of guns on the ship and they liked going out to the channel islands and shooting the place up. Kids!
When I was on the ship touring it, they hadn't painted it white - it was still grey.
Mimsey
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
Kris Kristofferson
Kristoffer Kristofferson was born in Brownsville, Texas, to a military family. Like most "military brats", Kristofferson moved around frequently as a youth, finally settling down in San Mateo, California, where he graduated from San Mateo High School. An aspiring writer, Kristofferson enrolled in Pomona College in 1954. He experienced his first dose of fame when he appeared in Sports Illustrated's "Faces in the Crowd" for his achievements in collegiate rugby union, football, and track and field. He and fellow classmates revived the Claremont Colleges Rugby Club in 1958, which has remained a Southern California rugby dynasty. graduating in 1958 with a BA, summa cum laude in Literature.
Kristofferson earned a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University. While at Oxford he was awarded his blue for boxing and began writing songs.
In 1960, Kristofferson graduated with a BPhil in English literature and married an old girlfriend, Fran Beer. Kristofferson, under pressure from his family, ultimately joined the U.S. Army and achieved the rank of Captain. He became a helicopter pilot after receiving flight training at Fort Rucker, Alabama. He also completed Ranger School. During the early 1960s, he was stationed in West Germany as a member of the 8th Infantry Division. In 1965 he decided to leave the Army and pursue songwriting.
His family disowned him because of this decision and they never reconciled with him. They saw it as a rejection of everything they stood for. Kristofferson has stated that he was greatly influenced by the poet William Blake while at Oxford, who had proclaimed that if one has a God-given creative talent then one should use it, or else reap sorrow and despair.
After leaving the Army in 1965, Kristofferson moved to Nashville. He worked at a variety of odd jobs while struggling for success in music, burdened with medical expenses resulting from his son, Kris' defective esophagus. He and his wife soon divorced. His son, for a time went to my wife's school.
He got a job sweeping floors at Columbia Studios in Nashville.
He also worked as a commercial helicopter pilot at that time for a south Louisiana firm called Petroleum Helicopters International (PHI), based in Lafayette, Louisiana. Kristofferson recalled of his days as a pilot, "That was about the last three years before I started performing, before people started cutting my songs ... I would work a week down here [in south Louisiana] for PHI, sitting on an oil platform and flying helicopters. Then I'd go back to Nashville at the end of the week and spend a week up there trying to pitch the songs, then come back down and write songs for another week ... I can remember 'Help Me Make It Through The Night' I wrote sitting on top of an oil platform. I wrote 'Bobby McGee' down here, and a lot of them [in south Louisiana]."
In 1966, Dave Dudley released a successful Kristofferson single, "Viet Nam Blues". Within the next few years, more Kristofferson originals hit the charts, performed by Roy Drusky ("Jody and the Kid"), Billy Walker & the Tennessee Walkers ("From the Bottle to the Bottom"), Ray Stevens ("Sunday Mornin' Comin' Down"), Jerry Lee Lewis ("Once More with Feeling") Faron Young ("Your Time's Comin'") and Roger Miller ("Me and Bobby McGee", "Best of all Possible Worlds", "Darby's Castle"). He achieved some success as a performer himself, following Johnny Cash's introduction of Kristofferson at the Newport Folk Festival. Kristofferson had previously grabbed Cash's attention when he landed his helicopter in Cash's yard without prior arrangement and gave him some tapes.
Kristofferson signed to Monument Records as a recording artist. His debut album for Monument in 1970 was Kristofferson, which included a few new songs as well as many of his previous hits. Sales were poor, although this debut album would become a success the following year when it was re-released under the title Me & Bobby McGee. Kristofferson's compositions were still in high demand. Ray Price ("For the Good Times"), Waylon Jennings ("The Taker"), Bobby Bare ("Come Sundown"), Johnny Cash ("Sunday Morning Coming Down") and Sammi Smith ("Help Me Make It Through the Night") all recorded successful versions of his songs in the early 1970s. "For the Good Times" (Ray Price) won "Song of the Year" in 1970 from the Academy of Country Music, while "Sunday Morning Coming Down" (Johnny Cash) won the same award from the Academy's rival, the Country Music Association in the same year. This is the only time an individual received the same award from these two organizations in the same year for different songs.
In 1971, Janis Joplin, who dated Kristofferson for some time until her death, had a number 1 hit with "Me and Bobby McGee" from her posthumous Pearl. When released, it stayed on the number one spot on the charts for weeks. More hits followed from others: Ray Price ("I'd Rather Be Sorry"), Joe Simon ("Help Me Make It Through the Night"), Bobby Bare ("Please Don't Tell Me How the Story Ends"), O. C. Smith ("Help Me Make It Through the Night") Jerry Lee Lewis ("Me and Bobby McGee"), Patti Page ("I'd Rather Be Sorry") and Peggy Little ("I've Got to Have You"). Kristofferson released his second album, The Silver Tongued Devil and I in 1971; the album was a success and established Kristofferson's career as a recording artist in his own right. Soon after, Kristofferson made his acting debut in The Last Movie (directed by Dennis Hopper) and appeared at the Isle of Wight Festival. In 1971, he acted in Cisco Pike and released his third album, Border Lord; the album was all-new material and sales were sluggish. He also swept the Grammy Awards that year with numerous songs nominated, winning country song of the year for "Help Me Make It Through the Night". Kristofferson's 1972 fourth album, Jesus Was a Capricorn initially had slow sales, but the third single, "Why Me", was a success and significantly increased album sales.
[video=youtube;_RLiuPRMJy8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RLiuPRMJy8[/video]
Today is Kris Kristofferson's 76th birthday.
He performs tonight at San Jose Civic Auditorium. I'm going.
Kristoffer Kristofferson was born in Brownsville, Texas, to a military family. Like most "military brats", Kristofferson moved around frequently as a youth, finally settling down in San Mateo, California, where he graduated from San Mateo High School. An aspiring writer, Kristofferson enrolled in Pomona College in 1954. He experienced his first dose of fame when he appeared in Sports Illustrated's "Faces in the Crowd" for his achievements in collegiate rugby union, football, and track and field. He and fellow classmates revived the Claremont Colleges Rugby Club in 1958, which has remained a Southern California rugby dynasty. graduating in 1958 with a BA, summa cum laude in Literature.
Kristofferson earned a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University. While at Oxford he was awarded his blue for boxing and began writing songs.
In 1960, Kristofferson graduated with a BPhil in English literature and married an old girlfriend, Fran Beer. Kristofferson, under pressure from his family, ultimately joined the U.S. Army and achieved the rank of Captain. He became a helicopter pilot after receiving flight training at Fort Rucker, Alabama. He also completed Ranger School. During the early 1960s, he was stationed in West Germany as a member of the 8th Infantry Division. In 1965 he decided to leave the Army and pursue songwriting.
His family disowned him because of this decision and they never reconciled with him. They saw it as a rejection of everything they stood for. Kristofferson has stated that he was greatly influenced by the poet William Blake while at Oxford, who had proclaimed that if one has a God-given creative talent then one should use it, or else reap sorrow and despair.
After leaving the Army in 1965, Kristofferson moved to Nashville. He worked at a variety of odd jobs while struggling for success in music, burdened with medical expenses resulting from his son, Kris' defective esophagus. He and his wife soon divorced. His son, for a time went to my wife's school.
He got a job sweeping floors at Columbia Studios in Nashville.
He also worked as a commercial helicopter pilot at that time for a south Louisiana firm called Petroleum Helicopters International (PHI), based in Lafayette, Louisiana. Kristofferson recalled of his days as a pilot, "That was about the last three years before I started performing, before people started cutting my songs ... I would work a week down here [in south Louisiana] for PHI, sitting on an oil platform and flying helicopters. Then I'd go back to Nashville at the end of the week and spend a week up there trying to pitch the songs, then come back down and write songs for another week ... I can remember 'Help Me Make It Through The Night' I wrote sitting on top of an oil platform. I wrote 'Bobby McGee' down here, and a lot of them [in south Louisiana]."
In 1966, Dave Dudley released a successful Kristofferson single, "Viet Nam Blues". Within the next few years, more Kristofferson originals hit the charts, performed by Roy Drusky ("Jody and the Kid"), Billy Walker & the Tennessee Walkers ("From the Bottle to the Bottom"), Ray Stevens ("Sunday Mornin' Comin' Down"), Jerry Lee Lewis ("Once More with Feeling") Faron Young ("Your Time's Comin'") and Roger Miller ("Me and Bobby McGee", "Best of all Possible Worlds", "Darby's Castle"). He achieved some success as a performer himself, following Johnny Cash's introduction of Kristofferson at the Newport Folk Festival. Kristofferson had previously grabbed Cash's attention when he landed his helicopter in Cash's yard without prior arrangement and gave him some tapes.
Kristofferson signed to Monument Records as a recording artist. His debut album for Monument in 1970 was Kristofferson, which included a few new songs as well as many of his previous hits. Sales were poor, although this debut album would become a success the following year when it was re-released under the title Me & Bobby McGee. Kristofferson's compositions were still in high demand. Ray Price ("For the Good Times"), Waylon Jennings ("The Taker"), Bobby Bare ("Come Sundown"), Johnny Cash ("Sunday Morning Coming Down") and Sammi Smith ("Help Me Make It Through the Night") all recorded successful versions of his songs in the early 1970s. "For the Good Times" (Ray Price) won "Song of the Year" in 1970 from the Academy of Country Music, while "Sunday Morning Coming Down" (Johnny Cash) won the same award from the Academy's rival, the Country Music Association in the same year. This is the only time an individual received the same award from these two organizations in the same year for different songs.
In 1971, Janis Joplin, who dated Kristofferson for some time until her death, had a number 1 hit with "Me and Bobby McGee" from her posthumous Pearl. When released, it stayed on the number one spot on the charts for weeks. More hits followed from others: Ray Price ("I'd Rather Be Sorry"), Joe Simon ("Help Me Make It Through the Night"), Bobby Bare ("Please Don't Tell Me How the Story Ends"), O. C. Smith ("Help Me Make It Through the Night") Jerry Lee Lewis ("Me and Bobby McGee"), Patti Page ("I'd Rather Be Sorry") and Peggy Little ("I've Got to Have You"). Kristofferson released his second album, The Silver Tongued Devil and I in 1971; the album was a success and established Kristofferson's career as a recording artist in his own right. Soon after, Kristofferson made his acting debut in The Last Movie (directed by Dennis Hopper) and appeared at the Isle of Wight Festival. In 1971, he acted in Cisco Pike and released his third album, Border Lord; the album was all-new material and sales were sluggish. He also swept the Grammy Awards that year with numerous songs nominated, winning country song of the year for "Help Me Make It Through the Night". Kristofferson's 1972 fourth album, Jesus Was a Capricorn initially had slow sales, but the third single, "Why Me", was a success and significantly increased album sales.
[video=youtube;_RLiuPRMJy8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RLiuPRMJy8[/video]
Today is Kris Kristofferson's 76th birthday.
He performs tonight at San Jose Civic Auditorium. I'm going.
RogerB
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I ran into this, this morning.
It is a little lesson, an example actually, of one aspect of an honorable culture and and honorable generation.
It's at here: http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/pictures-that-will-restore-your-faith-in-humanity
It reminds me of the volunteers who went into Chernobyl.
R
I ran into this, this morning.
It is a little lesson, an example actually, of one aspect of an honorable culture and and honorable generation.
It's at here: http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/pictures-that-will-restore-your-faith-in-humanity
It reminds me of the volunteers who went into Chernobyl.
R
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
Bolivar
It was grey when I rode it. I sat in the crow's nest to and from the Farallones
Man - is memory deceptive. I look at the pictures of the ship and compare what I recall - wow. I remember the back of the ship being wide and flat with the racks where the depth charges went. I vaguely recall the tower? where the bridge was. The crew were going to make a run to Hawaii and back. One of them was telling me they were going to make each SO member in pac spend some time of the ship, to bring them up to snuff.
I was also told they wanted to get an auditor on board to handle their cases - they were using ethics as a substitution for auditing. Ie: they would put some on in danger if he got upset, instead of flying his rudes. I also remember them saying they had a lot of guns on the ship and they liked going out to the channel islands and shooting the place up. Kids!
When I was on the ship touring it, they hadn't painted it white - it was still grey.
Mimsey
It was grey when I rode it. I sat in the crow's nest to and from the Farallones
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
the Truth About Laura Bush
A video by her daughter, Jenna:
[video]http://screen.yahoo.com/jenna-s-family-secret-29709668.html[/video]
This is the son that Laura sung to her kids when they were babies:
[video=youtube;fHu_Nv8eYRQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHu_Nv8eYRQ[/video]
A video by her daughter, Jenna:
[video]http://screen.yahoo.com/jenna-s-family-secret-29709668.html[/video]
This is the son that Laura sung to her kids when they were babies:
[video=youtube;fHu_Nv8eYRQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHu_Nv8eYRQ[/video]
afaceinthecrowd
Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Your description sounds more like the Excalibur just after acquisition.
Kids indeed...and rather scruffy, foolish ones at that!
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Man - is memory deceptive. I look at the pictures of the ship and compare what I recall - wow. I remember the back of the ship being wide and flat with the racks where the depth charges went. I vaguely recall the tower? where the bridge was. The crew were going to make a run to Hawaii and back. One of them was telling me they were going to make each SO member in pac spend some time of the ship, to bring them up to snuff.
I was also told they wanted to get an auditor on board to handle their cases - they were using ethics as a substitution for auditing. Ie: they would put some on in danger if he got upset, instead of flying his rudes. I also remember them saying they had a lot of guns on the ship and they liked going out to the channel islands and shooting the place up. Kids!
When I was on the ship touring it, they hadn't painted it white - it was still grey.
Mimsey
Your description sounds more like the Excalibur just after acquisition.
Kids indeed...and rather scruffy, foolish ones at that!
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
It was most likely the Excalibur.
For some reason my computer isn't showing me any image of your ship although I see the text string here in the comments reply box as I type this.
Back in '73, my girlfriend and I took a brief harbor cruise on an SO ship, said to have come down from Long Beach. It was painted an off-white color--as I recall. One of its two engines was said to be out of commission. It was rusty, dirty, items not stowed for making way, crews quarters stunk of body odor. Mid-afternoon, none of the racks had been made. Clothes and towels were laying about--totally unacceptable by a real Navy's standards.
Was that the Bolivar?
Among ourselves, we used to call our ship a puke bucket. It was a Rolls-Royce compared to the junker SO ship I saw.
Anyone who has owned a boat on the water knowns or will find out what a drain on finances these things can be. It cost the taxpayers $millions to keep a Navy afloat not even counting the cost of the initial build. Hubbard had to have boats. He had to have toys. He had to play Commodore. He had to play out his harebrained fantasies. And it costed the Scientology public dearly.
Here's a real ship, built to deliver heavy communications and reality adjustments. She was commissioned in 1953. She wasn't that much newer than the Bolivar. We never put anyone in the chain locker, especially children who were never aboard when underway. The officers and crew ate well and were paid every two weeks. We were extensively trained for our jobs. Captain's Masts (judgement of wrongdoing) were rarely held. I remember just one in over 3 years.
I could go on with the comparisons.
It was most likely the Excalibur.
For some reason my computer isn't showing me any image of your ship although I see the text string here in the comments reply box as I type this.
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