The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[CarmeloOrchards]

Go Condee!

This summer’s favorite guessing game — speculating about the vice presidential pick — is getting more serious. Next month Republicans will gather in Tampa to officially nominate Mitt Romney and his still to be determined running mate.

Thursday night word leaked out – to the Drudge Report – the former Bush administration Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is on Romney’s short list.

Romney’s wife Ann has also hinted that a woman could be on the ticket.

And Rice got a royal reception at Romney’s donor retreat in Utah. She also got a standing ovation this week at a fund-raiser for GOP women in Washington, D.C.

I said it in May and I’ll say it again: the biggest move Romney can make to change his image is via an eye-catching pick for the number two slot on the presidential ticket.

Rice would be a political game changer for the 2012 race.

Yes, she would be the first African-American woman to be on a major party’s presidential ticket, at a time when the GOP is losing ground with minority, female voters and single women. So let the Condimania begin!

But she is more than just a fad because — unlike some other prospects — her selection can never be dismissed as racial tokenism. She is an experienced political player who has scars from previous battles; former Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld are still taking shots at her in their latest books.

And her expertise on foreign policy, as a former secretary of state, would compensate for Romney’s lack of international experience. As a governor and a businessman, Romney dealt almost exclusively with domestic policy.

The downside of selecting Rice, is the likely conservative backlash to her refusal to ban a woman’s right to an abortion. Opposition from the left will center on her central role in the Bush administration, specifically her role in the Iraq war and the weapons of mass destruction controversy.

And then there is the Republican establishment’s concerns about her past and her role in the Bush administration. Wall Street Jour Bret Steph has written that “she was a bad national security adviser and a bad secretary of state.” Stephans in a May column opposing any thought that she might be a good fit for Romney, Stephens wrote, “choosing her would simply be evidence that he doesn’t have much faith in his own November chances.”

But Rice has a strong political spine. She flew in the face of anti-immigrant fervor from the GOP right wing recently by standing up for immigrants. She opposed individual states, beginning with Arizona, passing laws to increase pursuit of illegal immigrants. That position — politically daring in the modern-day GOP — will be a big help as the Romney campaign tries to win over Latino voters.

There is another critical reason why Romney should pick Rice. Over the last few months, she has partnered with Joel Klein, the former chancellor of the New York City public school system, to draw attention to the crisis in American public education. They co-chaired a Council on Foreign Relations panel that examined the failure of public education as a threat to America’s national security.

They found that 75 percent of American young adults do not qualify to serve in the military because they have criminal records, are physically unfit or — the biggest reason — have inadequate levels of education. One out of every four American students fails to get the high school diploma needed to join the military.

This includes about half of the nation’s black and Hispanic students, who drop out of high school. Even more disturbing is the report’s finding that 30 percent of the young people graduating from America’s high schools don’t do well enough in math, science and English on the aptitude test to serve in the military.

The report also screamed out that the U.S.  State Department is unable to find enough foreign-language speakers to serve as interpreters and translators.

“The education crisis may well be the greatest threat to our national security,” Rice explained at a recent speech before the Heritage Foundation in Washington.  

“The crisis in K-12 is producing unemployable people who will ultimately be on the dole because they will have nowhere else to go.”

In his election night speech in New Hampshire last week, Romney said he wanted to “stop the unfairness of urban children being denied access to the good schools of their choice.”
Rice has exactly the right message to jump start the education debate.

By putting Rice on the ticket Romney could reform his image and give the education reform movement a boost. And win or lose in November, he will have created a political legacy for himself and done his country a great service.  

An earlier version of this column originally appeared in The Hill newspaper and on TheHill.com.


Juan Williams is a Fox News political analyst. He is the author of several books including "Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America--and What We Can Do About It" and "Muzzled: The Assault on Honest Debate."

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[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Carmelo,

I think you are on to something here.

But this is what scares me about the upcoming election:

Missiles in Poland.

NATO still insists it wants to put missiles in Poland.

The Russians have already repeatedly officially announced that they will bomb those missile bases.

I don't think Obama will put the missiles there.

I think if Romney gets elected he will put the missiles there because it will mean lucrative contracts and jobs in the defense inductry (the missiles are built in California with parts made in Florida)

Conelezza Rice specialty before she was in the Bush admisitration was the Soviet military.

That is what she did as NSA prior to Bush.

So if she is the pick then it is almost for certain that the missiles will be put there.

And the Russians will bomb them; the Russians never bluff about war.

So this is the danger I see.

As far as the rest of politics and the economy, I think a president can only effect the economy marginally.

So the real danger is that we are looking at World War III.

And this country has a history of stumbling into unecessary wars.

But I thnik you are right about Rice being the VP running mate.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Carmelo,

I think you are on to something here.

But I thnik you are right about Rice being the VP running mate.

The Anabaptist Jacques

that was my entire point. You may take it and run with it.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

that was my entire point. You may take it and run with it.

I personally do not think World War III would be a positive thing and would wish to avoid it if possible.

So I won't vote for anyone who is in favor of putting NATO missiles in Poland while knowing full well the Russians will bomb them.

The Anabaptist jacques

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

For a very intelligent woman you have a penchant for missing points which I am making. Of course there's no problem if two people's realities don't agree but that has nothing to do with my complaint with what you stated.

What you stated was, "So yeah, I think it's just Voodoo which has no real effect on anybody." Do you see my point, I'm totally happy with us having different realities or opinions on something but I object to your follow up statement which sort of equates me to nobody and suggests that my opinion is not real.

It's only that one statement which I highlighted in blue which I find offensive. The rest of your post was spot on with me.
Lakey

You're mixing me up with another poster my love, I never said that.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

You're mixing me up with another poster my love, I never said that.

Welcome to the club... well, at least your words weren't twisted completely backwards to what you really said.

Everytime I try to retire from this thread he makes yet another post to assure I stay.

He is right, he made it a bore. Can I leave now ?

Peace...... or more piss ?

 

[PirateAndBum]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

It says nothing about the nature of reality; it says everything about people's observation and interpretation of reality.

Reality is outside of your head.

Our minds perceive the world and actively formats our perceptions with such concepts as cause and effect and space and time.

After the interpretation of what we have actively observed we form interpretations of it.

But our opinions are not reality.

The moon is there whether or not you see, think about it, or imagine it, or even if you were never born.

The moon is not simply your opinion.

Any thoughts you have about the moon are opinion and when people discuss their opinions a general agreement as to what is there is arrived at with varrying degrees.

But that is consensus of opinions and that is not what reality is but only what reality is thought to be.

Over time, through necessity and curiousity mankind has endeavored to learn more about reality.

But eveything science and traditional beliefs interpret about reality is still human thought.

Science just looks at the measurable world and interprets it, but its interpretations are just that, interpretations--not reality.

Traditional beliefs have interpretations about reality and sometimes, although not often, they adapt to new knowledge.

But its interpretations are just that, interpretations--not reality.


The Anabaptist Jacques

So you and Smilla are in complete agreement

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

So you and Smilla are in complete agreement

Usually, yes.

But not on this.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Lone Star]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

..

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This is chilling. From the Gaza Deathstar site
http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/07/la...me-paleophysical-thinking-of-the-unthinkable/

LASER-INDUCED PLASMA CHANNELS, THE US MILITARY, AND SOME PALEOPHYSICAL THINKING OF THE UNTHINKABLE

This one is a topic I commented recently on aByte Show interview, and that is the US military’s new “plasma cannon,” and I thought it would be worth a more detailed look here. Here is Russian TV that brings you this bit of news:
US Army to smite enemies with Tesla-like lightning bolts?
The basic idea here is very simple. The laser acts as a conductive channel for a plasma, or, an electrically charged gas, toward its target.  The laser heats a gas, ionizing the air through which it passes, and thus creates a column or channel taht is not electrically neutral. In other words, the column becomes a kind of “wire of air” through which a short, sharp, electrical pulse is shot: essentially,  a lightning bolt.
Now, there are two paragraphs here that I hope you noticed:
“Theoretically, it can be used to take out a specific object in its entirety – an enemy SUV or a plane – without having to destroy everything around it.”
And this:

http://rt.com/usa/news/laser-lightning-us-army-623/

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

America - the Drive

Last Friday, at 9:30 PM, Eastern Daylight Savings Time, i drove out a driveway in Washington Court House, Ohio, in around 100 degree heat heading for home in California. Driving a 1999 Buick LeSabre, towing a U Haul trailer, stuffed to the gills with antiques, family heirlooms, folk art, and stuff. I had the back seat crammed with a chair, some dinner place settings, and god knows what else. On the front seat I had a cooler filled with things from the fridge, my dog, and myself.

72 and a half hours later, i arrived at home for our normal Sunday family dinner (we're Mormons --I'm joking).

For those following on the map, basically I took 35 to 70 to 74 to 80 to 395 to 88 to 12 to 99 to 4 to 5 to 580 to 680 to 880 to 237 to home. -- approx. 2,600 miles.

[video=youtube;ClnFbpbpUOA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClnFbpbpUOA[/video]

I drove through Ohio and Indiana that night. Saturday morning found me going by John Deere in Moline, IL. I didn't see anyone there that I knew, so I didn't stop.

There is a lot of corn and green in Ohio, Indiana and Iowa. Ohio is suffering mucho from lack of rain, but Iowa doesn't seem to be.

As the temperature outside the car was usually in the 90s and 100s, I didn't make long stops at gas stations or rest areas. I cat napped an hour or so at a time when I felt tired. I snacked and drank from my cooler chest, which I refilled with ice every day.

Nebraska felt like the longest state. I stopped for a quick run through a westward trails interpretive center. My great grandmother had written a journal of her trip in 1842 across the Oregon Trail. My great great grandfather had led a group from St. Joseph to Oregon prior to that. His wagon train was the first to ROLL into Oregon. (Peter Burnett).

I side tracked /detoured to Fort Kearney, but it wasn't the same Fort Kearney that my fore bearers had stopped at. Rain was expected, and there were campers / re-enacters prepared for what was coming. Brave souls. I had no idea what was coming, but I heard the weather report. These were folks, who do this every year.

When the clouds open up in Nebraska, you can't see to drive. I don't have anything but the highest respect for my ancestors crossing this area in the summer heat and rain on foot or covered wagon without freeways and cars. There is no place to hide from either the heat or the deluge.

That night the rain was torrential, lightning and thunder dominated in a way I had never seen before. I slept for 6 hours in a rest stop on the front seat with the cooler and my fearless companion, waiting for the rain and lightning to stop. Warmth was never a problem.

That morning I detoured to Courthouse Rock, Jail House Rock, Chimney Rock, and Scott's Bluff. My great grandmother had mentioned them (and Independence Rock also, but it was too much of a detour).

Getting into Wyoming was only 1/3 of the way for those pioneers of the Oregon Trail. For me, it was stopping at the highest point of I 80 or the old Lincoln Highway. There is a monument there to some guy, who was head of Packard Motor Cars, who had pitched and pushed for a national highway. This spot, at the top of a mountain, is where he once had a camp site.

Down the road is the Continental Divide.

Once past that, and the temperatures got a little more bearable.

That night I rove through Utah, including Salt Lake City, and parked for several hours at a rest area near the salt flats. Sunday morning I was on the final lap, heading for home. In Carson City I found a Starbucks two miles from the road, and had my first real coffee in days. Then it was just a matter of crossing the Sierras, and coasting (at 75 MPH with a trailer that says 55 MPH top speed) down to home.

it was fun. Back when I went Clear in 1971, I used to drive down to LA on Friday nights, play with my buddies (Mary Jo, Elsa, etc) all day and all night for two days, and drive home to Nor Cal and be at work on Monday morning at 10 AM. it's nice to know that I can still (kinda) do that.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: America - the Drive

...
That night I rove through Utah, including Salt Lake City, and parked for several hours at a rest area near the salt flats. Sunday morning I was on the final lap, heading for home. In Carson City I found a Starbucks two miles from the road, and had my first real coffee in days. Then it was just a matter of crossing the Sierras, and coasting (at 75 MPH with a trailer that says 55 MPH top speed) down to home.

it was fun. Back when I went Clear in 1971, I used to drive down to LA on Friday nights, play with my buddies (Mary Jo, Elsa, etc) all day and all night for two days, and drive home to Nor Cal and be at work on Monday morning at 10 AM. it's nice to know that I can still (kinda) do that.

Good that you & your companion made it back safely.


Mark A. Baker

 

[JackStraw]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I hitch-hiked from Connecticut to California and back in 1974 and drove from CT to CA in Jan '77.

While there are larger states, I agree, Nebraska took the longest to cross: rolling hills and nuthin' for miles and miles but more miles and miles.

As to the storms, yep, they can be almost biblical in scope/power! I LOVE the lightning at night on the plains! Great bolts shooting every which way, branching out almost endlessly, like great, naked, winter trees, made of light. So cool!

I took a slightly more southerly route, 70. through Utah and Colorado-simply breath-taking. This is a truly beautiful country!

Jack

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I hitch-hiked from Connecticut to California and back in 1974 and drove from CT to CA in Jan '77.

While there are larger states, I agree, Nebraska took the longest to cross: rolling hills and nuthin' for miles and miles but more miles and miles.

As to the storms, yep, they can be almost biblical in scope/power! I LOVE the lightning at night on the plains! Great bolts shooting every which way, branching out almost endlessly, like great, naked, winter trees, made of light. So cool!

I took a slightly more southerly route, 70. through Utah and Colorado-simply breath-taking. This is a truly beautiful country!

Jack

I've done the I 70 route to/from Colorado Springs. I liked a restaurant in Old Town Albuquerque that had great sopapillas. We drove bay area to Colorado Springs non stop. Gorgeous territory.

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

That's an amazing story Carmello! Loved the pictures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7m1zFEuCc0

 

[Terril park]

Re: America - the Drive

Last Friday, at 9:30 PM, Eastern Daylight Savings Time, i drove out a driveway in Washington Court House, Ohio, in around 100 degree heat heading for home in California. Driving a 1999 Buick LeSabre, towing a U Haul trailer, stuffed to the gills with antiques, family heirlooms, folk art, and stuff. I had the back seat crammed with a chair, some dinner place settings, and god knows what else. On the front seat I had a cooler filled with things from the fridge, my dog, and myself.

72 and a half hours later, i arrived at home for our normal Sunday family dinner (we're Mormons --I'm joking).

For those following on the map, basically I took 35 to 70 to 74 to 80 to 395 to 88 to 12 to 99 to 4 to 5 to 580 to 680 to 880 to 237 to home. -- approx. 2,600 miles.

[video=youtube;ClnFbpbpUOA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClnFbpbpUOA[/video]

I drove through Ohio and Indiana that night. Saturday morning found me going by John Deere in Moline, IL. I didn't see anyone there that I knew, so I didn't stop.

There is a lot of corn and green in Ohio, Indiana and Iowa. Ohio is suffering mucho from lack of rain, but Iowa doesn't seem to be.

As the temperature outside the car was usually in the 90s and 100s, I didn't make long stops at gas stations or rest areas. I cat napped an hour or so at a time when I felt tired. I snacked and drank from my cooler chest, which I refilled with ice every day.

Nebraska felt like the longest state. I stopped for a quick run through a westward trails interpretive center. My great grandmother had written a journal of her trip in 1842 across the Oregon Trail. My great great grandfather had led a group from St. Joseph to Oregon prior to that. His wagon train was the first to ROLL into Oregon. (Peter Burnett).

I side tracked /detoured to Fort Kearney, but it wasn't the same Fort Kearney that my fore bearers had stopped at. Rain was expected, and there were campers / re-enacters prepared for what was coming. Brave souls. I had no idea what was coming, but I heard the weather report. These were folks, who do this every year.

When the clouds open up in Nebraska, you can't see to drive. I don't have anything but the highest respect for my ancestors crossing this area in the summer heat and rain on foot or covered wagon without freeways and cars. There is no place to hide from either the heat or the deluge.

That night the rain was torrential, lightning and thunder dominated in a way I had never seen before. I slept for 6 hours in a rest stop on the front seat with the cooler and my fearless companion, waiting for the rain and lightning to stop. Warmth was never a problem.

That morning I detoured to Courthouse Rock, Jail House Rock, Chimney Rock, and Scott's Bluff. My great grandmother had mentioned them (and Independence Rock also, but it was too much of a detour).

Getting into Wyoming was only 1/3 of the way for those pioneers of the Oregon Trail. For me, it was stopping at the highest point of I 80 or the old Lincoln Highway. There is a monument there to some guy, who was head of Packard Motor Cars, who had pitched and pushed for a national highway. This spot, at the top of a mountain, is where he once had a camp site.

Down the road is the Continental Divide.

Once past that, and the temperatures got a little more bearable.

That night I rove through Utah, including Salt Lake City, and parked for several hours at a rest area near the salt flats. Sunday morning I was on the final lap, heading for home. In Carson City I found a Starbucks two miles from the road, and had my first real coffee in days. Then it was just a matter of crossing the Sierras, and coasting (at 75 MPH with a trailer that says 55 MPH top speed) down to home.

it was fun. Back when I went Clear in 1971, I used to drive down to LA on Friday nights, play with my buddies (Mary Jo, Elsa, etc) all day and all night for two days, and drive home to Nor Cal and be at work on Monday morning at 10 AM. it's nice to know that I can still (kinda) do that.

Next time let me know. Have brothers and sisters in Boulder and salt lake City.

 

[MrNobody]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Please do not confuse his alteration filled rants by introducing the facts !


You'd change the humor we all get to enjoy !

Talking about humor - since I have grown to like the russian/east-european soul, I'll post this video especially for Lakey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmu9bSLD9jk

Let's see if he thinks this would bring more smiles if played @ 432 Hz. Because, yaknow, I could easily convert it.

Anyway, although I'm more of a Jazz/Blues musician than anything else, this one put a smile on my face. Can it put one on Lakey's? I hope so, but if not, then meh.

 

[JackStraw]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Talking about humor - since I have grown to like the russian/east-european soul, I'll post this video especially for Lakey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmu9bSLD9jk

Let's see if he thinks this would bring more smiles if played @ 432 Hz. Because, yaknow, I could easily convert it.

Anyway, although I'm more of a Jazz/Blues musician than anything else, this one put a smile on my face. Can it put one on Lakey's? I hope so, but if not, then meh.

That was Freakin' Awesome!!!

Thank you for that!

Jack

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Well Mr. N,

It sure put a smile on my face this Sunday morning.

As Jack says: thanks for that one!

R

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Just for clarification, I quote myself:

You quote yourself for clarification - Okay, fair enough.

So it can be easily confirmed that it was me who said that, not Smilla. :wink2:

Yes, I understand now that you wrote it and not Smila. I apologize to Smila. For you, Mr. Nobody, you once again prove how accurately your screen name was chosen.

A person could write, "I belong to a group of people who love black and white movies better than technicolor movies; we feel black and white movies seem to be able to convey the darker human emotions better."

You might then respond, "I watched a movie in black and white and then watched the same movie in color and I did not feel that the black and white version conveyed any of the human emotions better. "Any such beliefs are just voodoo and nobody really believes them."

Your first sentence would be an honest opinion but your second sentence takes a quantum leap which renders your entire post worthless.
Lakey