The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

... Ant is in his eighties, and doesn't need aggravation. Do I speak soothe?

I'm not Trouble (well maybe I am ) but since Ant is primarily interested in posting Pilot's work and isn't himself particularly interested in responding to hostile posts, he could create a thread in the free zone section for the Pilot's work and then whenever he sees a hassle from someone put that individual on ignore. That isolates those posts to their own relevant thread AND keeps the personal stress endured by Ant to a minimum.


Mark A. Baker

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

I'm not Trouble (well maybe I am ) but since Ant is primarily interested in posting Pilot's work and isn't himself particularly interested in responding to hostile posts, he could create a thread in the free zone section for the Pilot's work and then whenever he sees a hassle from someone put that individual on ignore. That isolates those posts to their own relevant thread AND keeps the personal stress endured by Ant to a minimum.


Mark A. Baker

Lol!

I am trouble (well, maybe I'm not ) and I completely agree with Carmelo, this thread is pretty much accepted as being 'different' ... and I won't say a negative word (to Ant) here, mainly because he just seems to dump his tekky [STRIKE]rubbish [/STRIKE] data and doesn't feel the need to preach and lecture in a condescending guru wannabe manner.

If yet another 'tek dump thread' is created elsewhere though, it won't be sacred and neither should it be.

 

[Smilla]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

I totally disagree. Anyone, and I repeat anyone, this has included Karen #1 to Purple Haze, who spends time saying good things about LRH gets crucified on ESMB outside of this thread.

Johnny Raff posted here on the Apollo thread, and wasn't crucified.

I've posted the power processes and got no flack whatsoever.

This is a tech friendly thread. Very few mean words are said here, and those that are said, seem to be aimed at Lakey by Toady and Roger mainly.

Ant, if you didn't like the way Phil Spickler treated your list, I daresay you really won't like how many of the posters on ESMB, who normally eschew this thread, will treat pro LRH posts.

Trouble, Smilla, what do you think?

Ant is in his eighties, and doesn't need aggravation. Do I speak soothe?

What Trouble said.

I would carry on with this thread as it has been. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

For those interested . . . R3R was introduced in late 1963 from memory around Sept.-Oct.

And, as stated earlier, "Standard Dn" introduced in '69 . . . and NE Dn later.

R

 

[Dulloldfart]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

I'm not Trouble (well maybe I am ) but since Ant is primarily interested in posting Pilot's work and isn't himself particularly interested in responding to hostile posts, he could create a thread in the free zone section for the Pilot's work and then whenever he sees a hassle from someone put that individual on ignore. That isolates those posts to their own relevant thread AND keeps the personal stress endured by Ant to a minimum.

Mark A. Baker

Agreed.

Also, Ant, if you want someone to be able to find Pilot's posts later, they will get lost on this thread! This thread has nearly 16 thousand posts in it and is accumulating dozens more every day.

I have complained before about this thread being a non-differentiated board all in itself. The great thing about a message board with individual threads is that many of the posts are on the same topic. For instance, I made a thread on which I posted all of CBR's stuff that I could find. There is a small amount of chat, but mostly it is pure (so to speak) CBR, and is useful for people who are interested in that stuff.

This thread, on the other hand, contains only posts readers will never be able to find again, unless the poster adds in a uncommon identifier like PILOT384 (not Ogger or Ken or Pilot) in every post. Unless it contains some rare and memorable keyword, that can be found in a search engine, any post on this thread is LOST within a day or so. No-one will ever be able to find it again. It is sheer madness, except as a day-to-day way of passing the time with one's friends.

But don't let that stop anyone.

Paul

 

[RogerB]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

I totally disagree. Anyone, and I repeat anyone, this has included Karen #1 to Purple Haze, who spends time saying good things about LRH gets crucified on ESMB outside of this thread.

Johnny Raff posted here on the Apollo thread, and wasn't crucified.

I've posted the power processes and got no flack whatsoever.

This is a tech friendly thread. Very few mean words are said here, and those that are said, seem to be aimed at Lakey by Toady and Roger mainly.

Ant, if you didn't like the way Phil Spickler treated your list, I daresay you really won't like how many of the posters on ESMB, who normally eschew this thread, will treat pro LRH posts.

Trouble, Smilla, what do you think?

Ant is in his eighties, and doesn't need aggravation. Do I speak soothe?

Wot??

You're way off target here, mister.

Please cite the "mean words" I've used against Lakey.

The only thing I've directed at Lakey is to tell him not to identify me as a FreeZone or Scn anything . . . other than that I've pointed out some of his factual errors. And I must point it out that it took too bloody long for him to get the message, even as I was repeating it, that I don't want to be called or referred to as any kind of Scn. He kept altering the variations of his message and what I was communicating to make himself right.

I am not the only one (among maybe 4 or 5) to have patiently pointed out to him this parade of alterings of the actuality of communications or situations followed by continued make self right over the issue.

As to Toady, when I've seen Toady being hilarious in his wicked spirit of play mode I've laughed with it.

You are also in error regards John Raffo . . . he was attacked and lampooned rather viciously, and no longer posts here.

My tech posts here on this thread and elsewhere have been routinely attacked by "I told You I Was Trouble" . . . and to be noted, it was not just attacks on "the tech" but attacks on me personally with derogative name calling of me . . . which attack on tech and her attacks on me you have actually condoned in writing here on this thread. Yet you say you are a practicing techie?? That seems rather duplicitous to me.

Maybe Challenge and Dart were onto something in questioning your reliability.

Lakey, I know mistakenly got upset when I told Toady he was hilarious . . . Toady is a total wit. Lakey made mention in the words: "It seems Roger has become a friend of Toady instead of me (Lakey)" (Paraphrased from memory, but likely exact) And that was an error by Lakey. There was no abandoning of my friendship for Lakey and no new or extra inclusion of Toady . . . . Toady and I have had extensive PM and email traffic. He is the same irreverent wit to/against/with many here.

Just that poor Lakey ended up painting a big target in the center of his forehead And that proved too inviting for the mischievous nature of the Toad!

The trick would have been for Lakey to have laughed with Toady's spirit of play when it was first engaged rather than to have gone all defensive and into a make self-right which then further degenerated into conflict and "war."

R

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

For those interested . . . R3R was introduced in late 1963 from memory around Sept.-Oct.

And, as stated earlier, "Standard Dn" introduced in '69 . . . and NE Dn later.

R

I asked Purple Haze about this yesterday. Just going from memory, she also stated that "standard" Dianetics, in the form of the HSDC course, was introduced in '69. She had audited Dianetics earlier which was not called standard Dianetics but had steps 1 - through 9 plus A through D. I asked her what was on those steps and she said that they were essentially the R3R steps. She goes back only to 1967.

It's good to know that R3R was introduced in Sept.-Oct. of 1963.
Lakey

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

Wot??

You're way off target here, mister.

Please cite the "mean words" I've used against Lakey.

The only thing I've directed at Lakey is to tell him not to identify me as a FreeZone or Scn anything . . . other than that I've pointed out some of his factual errors. And I must point it out that it took too bloody long for him to get the message, even as I was repeating it, that I don't want to be called or referred to as any kind of Scn. He kept altering the variations of his message and what I was communicating to make himself right.

I am not the only one (among maybe 4 or 5) to have patiently pointed out to him this parade of alterings of the actuality of communications or situations followed by continued make self right over the issue.

As to Toady, when I've seen Toady being hilarious in his wicked spirit of play mode I've laughed with it.

You are also in error regards John Raffo . . . he was attacked and lampooned rather viciously, and no longer posts here.

My tech posts here on this thread and elsewhere have been routinely attacked by "I told You I Was Trouble" . . . and to be noted, it was not just attacks on "the tech" but attacks on me personally with derogative name calling of me . . . which attack on tech and her attacks on me you have actually condoned in writing here on this thread. Yet you say you are a practicing techie?? That seems rather duplicitous to me.

Maybe Challenge and Dart were onto something in questioning your reliability.

Lakey, I know mistakenly got upset when I told Toady he was hilarious . . . Toady is a total wit. Lakey made mention in the words: "It seems Roger has become a friend of Toady instead of me (Lakey)" (Paraphrased from memory, but likely exact) And that was an error by Lakey. There was no abandoning of my friendship for Lakey and no new or extra inclusion of Toady . . . . Toady and I have had extensive PM and email traffic. He is the same irreverent wit to/against/with many here.

Just that poor Lakey ended up painting a big target in the center of his forehead And that proved too inviting for the mischievous nature of the Toad!

The trick would have been for Lakey to have laughed with Toady's spirit of play when it was first engaged rather than to have gone all defensive and into a make self-right which then further degenerated into conflict and "war."

R

Oh, dear ...

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

Wot??

You're way off target here, mister.

Please cite the "mean words" I've used against Lakey.

I don't know about mean words but you attack me a lot, sometimes using subtle innuendos. I have never experienced you putting a "like" on any of my posts. Sometimes I will make what I think is an innocent comment over some trivial fact, such as stating how many tall buildings exist in Shanghai. You took me to task on that when everything I posted was correct.

Another typical example relates to my post on the musical scale being based on 432 Hz for middle A instead of 440 Hz. I found this topic interesting and put it up for discussion. It should have been a take it or leave it thing. The reaction I got was an unbelievable amount of bashing by many people. You did not bash yourself but the few remarks you made were negative and dismissive and, as usual, you supported Toady who was bashing every sentence I wrote on the topic.


The only thing I've directed at Lakey is to tell him not to identify me as a FreeZone or Scn anything . . . other than that I've pointed out some of his factual errors. And I must point it out that it took too bloody long for him to get the message, even as I was repeating it, that I don't want to be called or referred to as any kind of Scn. He kept altering the variations of his message and what I was communicating to make himself right.

I am not the only one (among maybe 4 or 5) to have patiently pointed out to him this parade of alterings of the actuality of communications or situations followed by continued make self right over the issue.

This episode occurred about a 1 1/2 years ago in an debate which I was having with Mark Baker about the Freezone and the Indy's. I cited the fact that you spoke at the Freezone convention in Pasadena in 2009. At the time, I had almost no understanding of what the Freezone was. I thought it was much larger and much better organized than it is.

I figured that you must be a Freezone Scientologist because you spoke at their convention. You got after me and told me not to refer to you as any kind of Scientologist. I immediately made the effort to stop and thought I had stopped but was still saying some things about you which you did not want said. It took 2 or 3 iterations, possibly 4 days total, before I understood what you wanted and since then we've had no problems in this area.

As to Toady, when I've seen Toady being hilarious in his wicked spirit of play mode I've laughed with it.

You are also in error regards John Raffo . . . he was attacked and lampooned rather viciously, and no longer posts here.

Roger, you are in error as regards John Raffo. I am still in touch with him so here is the true story. Blue Spirit brought him to ESMB and Johnny started his own thread and he was bashed tremendously on that thread. Blue Spirit then got him to switch to this thread. Here he was received with very little bashing. He had a long run here and then left to speak at a convention up North, promising us that he would return. When he returned he kept telling me that he would soon post here again but after a while he went off in a totally different direction and no longer has any interest in ESMB

My tech posts here on this thread and elsewhere have been routinely attacked by "I told You I Was Trouble" . . . and to be noted, it was not just attacks on "the tech" but attacks on me personally with derogative name calling of me . . . which attack on tech and her attacks on me you have actually condoned in writing here on this thread. Yet you say you are a practicing techie?? That seems rather duplicitous to me.

Maybe Challenge and Dart were onto something in questioning your reliability.

Lakey, I know mistakenly got upset when I told Toady he was hilarious . . . Toady is a total wit. Lakey made mention in the words: "It seems Roger has become a friend of Toady instead of me (Lakey)" (Paraphrased from memory, but likely exact) And that was an error by Lakey. There was no abandoning of my friendship for Lakey and no new or extra inclusion of Toady . . . . Toady and I have had extensive PM and email traffic. He is the same irreverent wit to/against/with many here.

My opinion on your above paragraph is that you are completely wrong. I know Toady personally. He's projecting an image of being a down home type country philosopher in the tradition of Will Rogers, Pat Burtram or faceinthecrowd. I did not mistakenly get upset when you told Toady that he was hilarious. You are entitled to have your own sense of humor - why would I care if you enjoyed his type of humor? I also find some of his writings humorous.

Toady watches for every post I make and comes in behind it and attempts to tear it to shreds and uses tremendously illogical arguments and falsehoods to attempt to make his points and tear me down. Consistently now, for at least a year, you have sided with Toady against me in every instance. You are not a friend of mine. A friend would sometimes side with me, sometimes side with Toady and maybe use his influence to try and bring us to a meeting of the minds. By siding with him on every single dispute in over a year, you lost my friendship many months ago. I still respect you and still read your posts and learn some things but friendship is not part of our relationship.

Just that poor Lakey ended up painting a big target in the center of his forehead And that proved too inviting for the mischievous nature of the Toad!

The trick would have been for Lakey to have laughed with Toady's spirit of play when it was first engaged rather than to have gone all defensive and into a make self-right which then further degenerated into conflict and "war."

R

You are totally wrong, Roger in your last paragraph above. I have made a concerted effort to laugh with Toady and attempt to find common ground with him. For the last 10-12 weeks, I have been clicking "like" on 90% of his posts, laughing at his humor and finding common ground where we agreed. He wanted no part of it and intensified his campaign to degrade me.

When "Trouble" or Leon tear into you or when TAJ and you have violent disagreements as occurred on this thread 4-6 weeks ago, you write stinging rebukes to attempt to set those people straight. When you do it, its okay but when I do it, it's a "make self right". You have a double standard there which you need to look at.

Also you accuse me of degenerating into a war with Toady which is not correct. I have put him on IGNORE now and no longer read his posts so if we have a war, it is a COLD war. Since I put him on Ignnore recently, things have calmed down considerably and the thread is more peaceful.

Still an admirer but no longer a freind....Lakey

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

When there's nobody here to troll them, they troll themselves!

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Lakey,

Both you and Toady are lighthearted and fun ... don't let a crabby Freezoner get you down.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

Wot??

You're way off target here, mister.

Please cite the "mean words" I've used against Lakey.

The only thing I've directed at Lakey is to tell him not to identify me as a FreeZone or Scn anything . . . other than that I've pointed out some of his factual errors. And I must point it out that it took too bloody long for him to get the message, even as I was repeating it, that I don't want to be called or referred to as any kind of Scn. He kept altering the variations of his message and what I was communicating to make himself right.

I am not the only one (among maybe 4 or 5) to have patiently pointed out to him this parade of alterings of the actuality of communications or situations followed by continued make self right over the issue.

As to Toady, when I've seen Toady being hilarious in his wicked spirit of play mode I've laughed with it.

You are also in error regards John Raffo . . . he was attacked and lampooned rather viciously, and no longer posts here.

My tech posts here on this thread and elsewhere have been routinely attacked by "I told You I Was Trouble" . . . and to be noted, it was not just attacks on "the tech" but attacks on me personally with derogative name calling of me . . . which attack on tech and her attacks on me you have actually condoned in writing here on this thread. Yet you say you are a practicing techie?? That seems rather duplicitous to me.

Maybe Challenge and Dart were onto something in questioning your reliability.

Lakey, I know mistakenly got upset when I told Toady he was hilarious . . . Toady is a total wit. Lakey made mention in the words: "It seems Roger has become a friend of Toady instead of me (Lakey)" (Paraphrased from memory, but likely exact) And that was an error by Lakey. There was no abandoning of my friendship for Lakey and no new or extra inclusion of Toady . . . . Toady and I have had extensive PM and email traffic. He is the same irreverent wit to/against/with many here.

Just that poor Lakey ended up painting a big target in the center of his forehead And that proved too inviting for the mischievous nature of the Toad!

The trick would have been for Lakey to have laughed with Toady's spirit of play when it was first engaged rather than to have gone all defensive and into a make self-right which then further degenerated into conflict and "war."

R

I think it was Eugene Burdick in "The Ninth Wave" who wrote, "Hell hath no fury like that of an embarrassed respectable person."

I read the book about 45 years ago, and that quote has stuck with me over those years.

[video=youtube;-Q1dDUlwgQQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q1dDUlwgQQ[/video]

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

When there's nobody here to troll them, they troll themselves!

What a beautiful post.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

Yet another episode of " The Housewives of Orange County " !

You are totally wrong, Roger in your last paragraph above. I have made a concerted effort to laugh with Toady and attempt to find common ground with him. For the last 10-12 weeks, I have been clicking "like" on 90% of his posts,( there are "stats" again ) laughing at his humor and finding common ground where we agreed. He wanted no part of it ( gawd I love it when he thinks for others )and intensified his campaign to degrade me.

Degrade ? Dude, I laughed at you for your sillyness.. is that degrading ? Am I dealing with you or your " LRH valence "? No shit, you sometimes try to be a mini-me of Ron - and make a hilarous disaster of it.
You entirely miss what is being laughed at is you missing with that Ron valence.


When "Trouble" or Leon tear into you or when TAJ and you have violent disagreements as occurred on this thread 4-6 weeks ago, you write stinging rebukes to attempt to set those people straight. When you do it, its okay but when I do it, it's a "make self right". You have a double standard there which you need to look at.

What ? According to you this is a peaceful thread - except for my diatribes. Whay violent disagreements ?

Also you accuse me of degenerating into a war with Toady which is not correct.

True. Lakey runs & hids from me. All those communication skills he claims he gained from $cn ? Just like most of 'em, can't confront jack shit & runs from any divergent view from his own fixed ideas of how right he is.

I have put him on IGNORE now and no longer read his posts so if we have a war, it is a COLD war. Since I put him on Ignnore recently, things have calmed down considerably and the thread is more peaceful.

And this is the whole point of this egocentric thing Lakey has mired himself in !

When Lakey puts Toady on ignore the whole thread calms down.

Roger, ANT, MAB, TAJ, Smilla, Ted, Hat, CO & nobody else has one damn thing to do with this thread other than, ta da, LAKEY !... what was that about "a button on self importance

He laid it out for all to see, read what the man said, he is everything and everybody is nothing

.

Still an admirer but no longer a freind....Lakey

I have differed with Roger but I don't think it was over "tech". Wouldn't argue tech anywhere with Ant or Johhny Raff or Karen although I don't agree with much of the tech those people have more than earned my rspect... as has Face. I tend to try to CO slack.

Lakey ( who says he doesn'r read my posts - ROFL ! ) I would suggest has become his worst enemy on this thread.

Dude, go get laid ............or something.......for your own sake !

The Toad

PS: the Toad takes one demerit for violating his own never post here rule.
Score one to nothing as no merit to be awarded for diving into Lakey's cesspool.

PPs : Lakey may think my deciding to not post here means he gets free shots for life.
He could STFU & be I'd stay gone or he can keep taking pot shots which get me a shit load of PMs about it. Thanks to all those who PM 'd me !

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: Note on Pilot’s Post – Past Present Future

He could STFU & be I'd stay gone or he can keep taking pot shots which get me a shit load of PMs about it. Thanks to all those who PM 'd me !

here's a recipe for jello shots

http://cocktails.about.com/od/cocktailrecipes/r/jelo_shtr.htm

 

[JackStraw]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This just in from the Peanut Gallery: "It's not good for the kids, to see Mommy and Daddy fighting!"

This thread is getting harder and harder to be interested in, with all the in-fighting going on...just sayin'

Jack

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

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[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This just in from the Peanut Gallery: "It's not good for the kids, to see Mommy and Daddy fighting!"

This thread is getting harder and harder to be interested in, with all the in-fighting going on...just sayin'

Jack

Exactly!

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This just in from the Peanut Gallery: "It's not good for the kids, to see Mommy and Daddy fighting!"

This thread is getting harder and harder to be interested in, with all the in-fighting going on...just sayin'

Jack

Easy to say when you are never attacked - as is the case with you and also FoTi!
Lakey

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Easy to say when you are never attacked - as is the case with you and also FoTi!
Lakey

Ron was attacked too ! Mainly by imaginary enemies, but, hey, ya know....man the cannons & all that. ( I did not call any posts fodder ! )

Lakey has not been "attacked" what he has been is called on his BS.

But, hey, maybe everybody should just bow and let Mr Lakey have it is his way period.

This sounds like a very weak repeat of a very tired old tune of so many used to dance to..............anybody wanta dance....again ?

Now for a joke....Humptey Dumpety sat on a wall........Oh, ya'll heard that one ?

Back to " Housewives of Orange County " reruns.

Dang.

PS Can I get away with a nick of " Great Laker " ?