The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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lkwdblds
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
My Agenda in Posting
My major purpose in starting my own threads or participating on threads which other have started has always been to have meaningful exchanges of ideas with other individuals. I feel that these interchanges should be spirited and informative but most important of all, they should be honest opinions and factual, designed to bring more truth and understanding to the various issues being discussed than was previously present before the exchange of ideas took place.
Another of my purposes, important, but only of secondary importance, is that one's posts be entertaining and interesting to read.
AGENDAS OTHER THAN WHAT I STATE ABOVE.
Some posters have an agenda different from stating truths or bringing truths to light. Their agenda seems to be to degrade those who do not hold views exactly similar to those which they are pursuing.
Rather than seeking to bring truths to light, their approach is to bash and degrade anyone who is not in lock step with their point of view. IMO, when it comes to having a discussion with such a person, they feel that they do not have to show their opponent any form of courtesy or civility. Instead, they seem to enjoy using smut and degradation when dealing with their opponents.
They totally throw honesty and integrity out the window. Using group think, they target someone as an opponent of theirs. From that point on, they don't even read their opponent's posts, one or more in a committee of such posters scan their alleged opponent's posts looking for "keywords". These keywords are topics that these people consider bad and which they do not want promoted among the public. Not having read the posts of the person they have targeted, they just assume that their target is in favor of all 'keyword' items.
The next step, in their targeted destruction of their opponent is that a team of them launch an attack on him or her with a series of posts which bash and degrade their "mark", trying to convince those reading ESMB that their mark is stupid and dishonest, and has the views he does because he was taken in by Hubbard but is too degraded to admit that.
Look at the posting on ESMB 4 or 5 years ago when I started posting here. At that time there was good comraderie and ESMB was a storehouse of knowledgeable posters. Look at it now, many of the good posters have departed, including this thread's co-founder Carmelo. These negative posters who I have been describing have contributed heavily towards weakening the quality of posting on ESMB.
In closing, these negative posters are proud to admit that they don't even read the posts of a target who they are dedicated to destroy. They don't read their target's posts but nevertheless they proudly make assumptions about their target's views about their "keyword" items and when their assumptions prove to be wrong, they have no urge whatsoever to correct their erroneous assumptions nor do they revise their erroneous comments which they have made based on their wrong assumptions.
I got into posting on ESMB with the purpose of trying to bring honesty and truth to the table. My opponents "MO" of scanning and bashing is so dishonest that there is really no reason to communicate with them since it is a total waste of one's time. Their actions do make one want to stop posting all together, which is their goal. However, if one stops posting then they win using their sick and unethical methods. About the only alternative left is to keep posting to the larger group on ESMB while IGNORING this relatively small group of uninformed, dishonest and unethical posters.
Lakey
My Agenda in Posting
My major purpose in starting my own threads or participating on threads which other have started has always been to have meaningful exchanges of ideas with other individuals. I feel that these interchanges should be spirited and informative but most important of all, they should be honest opinions and factual, designed to bring more truth and understanding to the various issues being discussed than was previously present before the exchange of ideas took place.
Another of my purposes, important, but only of secondary importance, is that one's posts be entertaining and interesting to read.
AGENDAS OTHER THAN WHAT I STATE ABOVE.
Some posters have an agenda different from stating truths or bringing truths to light. Their agenda seems to be to degrade those who do not hold views exactly similar to those which they are pursuing.
Rather than seeking to bring truths to light, their approach is to bash and degrade anyone who is not in lock step with their point of view. IMO, when it comes to having a discussion with such a person, they feel that they do not have to show their opponent any form of courtesy or civility. Instead, they seem to enjoy using smut and degradation when dealing with their opponents.
They totally throw honesty and integrity out the window. Using group think, they target someone as an opponent of theirs. From that point on, they don't even read their opponent's posts, one or more in a committee of such posters scan their alleged opponent's posts looking for "keywords". These keywords are topics that these people consider bad and which they do not want promoted among the public. Not having read the posts of the person they have targeted, they just assume that their target is in favor of all 'keyword' items.
The next step, in their targeted destruction of their opponent is that a team of them launch an attack on him or her with a series of posts which bash and degrade their "mark", trying to convince those reading ESMB that their mark is stupid and dishonest, and has the views he does because he was taken in by Hubbard but is too degraded to admit that.
Look at the posting on ESMB 4 or 5 years ago when I started posting here. At that time there was good comraderie and ESMB was a storehouse of knowledgeable posters. Look at it now, many of the good posters have departed, including this thread's co-founder Carmelo. These negative posters who I have been describing have contributed heavily towards weakening the quality of posting on ESMB.
In closing, these negative posters are proud to admit that they don't even read the posts of a target who they are dedicated to destroy. They don't read their target's posts but nevertheless they proudly make assumptions about their target's views about their "keyword" items and when their assumptions prove to be wrong, they have no urge whatsoever to correct their erroneous assumptions nor do they revise their erroneous comments which they have made based on their wrong assumptions.
I got into posting on ESMB with the purpose of trying to bring honesty and truth to the table. My opponents "MO" of scanning and bashing is so dishonest that there is really no reason to communicate with them since it is a total waste of one's time. Their actions do make one want to stop posting all together, which is their goal. However, if one stops posting then they win using their sick and unethical methods. About the only alternative left is to keep posting to the larger group on ESMB while IGNORING this relatively small group of uninformed, dishonest and unethical posters.
Lakey
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Commander Birdsong
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
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lkwdblds
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Re: More from Mama
Mama, this is really a talented group, they have really good voices, their clothing is great, sort of reminds me of 1940's or 50's attire like you might see worn in Singing in the Rain or some big movie production like that. They also reminded me a bit of the Lovely Lennon Sister of Lawrence Welk fame but they aren't so prissy as the Lennon Sisters were and are much cooler and more contemporary. There doesn't seem to be any historical data on the internet about how they got started, etc but they sure are good!
Just for the hell of it, I'll put up a Christmas video of the Lennon Sisters with Bing Crosby Bing doesn't appear until 3:18 into the video. Bing is one of the all time greats, here at age 65, he still looks great and his voice seems as good as ever and his presence is awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19XtztbX7jg
Lakey
Mama, this is really a talented group, they have really good voices, their clothing is great, sort of reminds me of 1940's or 50's attire like you might see worn in Singing in the Rain or some big movie production like that. They also reminded me a bit of the Lovely Lennon Sister of Lawrence Welk fame but they aren't so prissy as the Lennon Sisters were and are much cooler and more contemporary. There doesn't seem to be any historical data on the internet about how they got started, etc but they sure are good!
Just for the hell of it, I'll put up a Christmas video of the Lennon Sisters with Bing Crosby Bing doesn't appear until 3:18 into the video. Bing is one of the all time greats, here at age 65, he still looks great and his voice seems as good as ever and his presence is awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19XtztbX7jg
Lakey
lkwdblds
Crusader
Update on the Healing Arts
Back in 2010, I was using my massage technique on my friend EC and she had me work on over 40 of her friends and acquaintances who were hanging out at a place called Ginger's Gardens. Ginger had put together sort of an Org that had nothing to do with scientology but featured dozens of metaphysical and occult practices as well as other things such as chiropractic services, massage services, Kangen water sales and even hair cuts.
EC brought me in as a massage specialist and I featured my own unique healing massage which was actually a modality which I put together by combining elements of Hubbard's touch assist procedure with Shiatsu massage. I worked on EC extensively and she had me give sessions to around 40 of her friends from Ginger's
center. About half the sessions I gave for free and the other half were done for barter where I exchanged my service for the other person's service. Ginger died in early 2011 and eventually her centered closed down.
Fast forward to 2 weeks ago and EC calls me and says that i worked on a woman in 2010 at Ginger's, call her Susie, who is a professional masseuse, fully certified and accredited. Susie asked EC if I was still around and if so she was experiencing some very serious problems and wanted to do an exchange with me. Well, we set up the meeting for last night. I dug my massage technique out of the moth balls and went over to Susie's place in the Newport Beach area of Orange County.
What a fantastic experience. Susie, a woman of perhaps 42 to 45 had been in an automobile accident many years ago and had suffered some physical damage to the vertebrae in her neck. Several of the upper vertabrae were reconstructed surgically in an operation which she had at the time. Things were not restored a full 100%. Though she was stable, often, when Susie slept, there was pressure from her reconstructed vertabrae being put on her brain and as a result, her speech is a bit slurred.
I first treated her in 2010. At the time, I was fooling around, running out entities from accidents and that is what I did on her in 2010 but in late 2011, I gave up all activity with that type of work, and just concentrated on massage plus trying to pick up a persons's thoughts while I am working on them and using those thoughts to guide which points on their head I press on.
With Susie, I couldn't pick up any thoughts so I started her talking, while I was messaging her; she was very talkative. She is a real nice person, very spiritual and aware but she was a "walking train wreck". She had some purposes which were blunted and she had very low self esteem. I got her to talk about the first time she remembered having her purpose blunted. She mentioned that her Dad had started telling her when she was a teenager that she was a loser and that she would never succeed without the help of a man who could guide her and protect her.
I asked about her Dad, and she said that he was a good man and had done a lot for her and that she respected him and felt that she had to respect him because he had done so much for her. I was thinking, 'sure respect your Dad but that doesn't mean you have to take to heart negative garbage which he says about you'. My task was to get her to become aware of that concept. First I explained to her how damaging it can be to be have a wrong item given to you and and then accept that wrong item as a stable datum. She was stuck on the point that because she respected her Dad, if she did not take his negative comments to heart, that would constitute being disrespectful ti him! She also blurted out that she was angry at God. I couldn't believe my ears and asked why she was angry at God. She answered that it was because He had put her into a body when she wanted to be a free spirit with no body.
I was massaging her neck and head while we talked and she said that some of the points I touched on her neck and head were very sensitive and that she could feel harmful energy dissipating from those points out into the air.
I had her tell me all the kind and helpful things her Dad had done for her and their family and when she finished, I said that I could see why she respected him for all those things. I asked her that just because she respects him for doing all that good, does it automatically follow out that she has to respect every single comment that he makes, even when some of them are both wrong and destructive. I was hoping that if she looked into that area, she would realize that she should respect only the good things he did but was not obligated to respect incorrect opinions of his. She saw that very quickly and brightened up.
I then probed into what she felt her purpose was in life and she said that she felt compelled to write a book on her journey through life and her various troubles encountered and how she was able to overcome them, earn a Bachelor's degree from UC Berkely and then become a massage therapist when her Psychology degree did not land her a good job. Suddenly, she realized that in order to write her book, she had to have a body! Her disagreement with the Diety blew and she let go of tons of trapped energy and I ended off my massage right there. It was almost too easy, mainly a bit of two way communication and some elementary Freudian type analysis. She went from looking about 50 to looking 40 and was very happy.
She worked on me next. My sciatic nerve is swollen and she gave me an excellent massage, maybe the best one I have ever had. We agreed to exchange services once a week for an indefinite period and so I'm going back next week. Her and I are now friends and confidants and the whole thing was just a delightful event.
I have made my technique as simple as possible. I just use the shoulder, neck and head massage as a means to find out the most pressing problem the person has at the moment of the session and then I do a little Freudian or Jungian type of questioning to get the person to look into a certain area which came up during the previous step. I can tell if I am getting results by observing if heat and electrical charge is releasing from the person's head. It's a neat little technique. I don't make money with it, but it can get some nice services through barter and it is really satisfying when someone achieves some major help from my services as was the case last night.
Lakey
Back in 2010, I was using my massage technique on my friend EC and she had me work on over 40 of her friends and acquaintances who were hanging out at a place called Ginger's Gardens. Ginger had put together sort of an Org that had nothing to do with scientology but featured dozens of metaphysical and occult practices as well as other things such as chiropractic services, massage services, Kangen water sales and even hair cuts.
EC brought me in as a massage specialist and I featured my own unique healing massage which was actually a modality which I put together by combining elements of Hubbard's touch assist procedure with Shiatsu massage. I worked on EC extensively and she had me give sessions to around 40 of her friends from Ginger's
center. About half the sessions I gave for free and the other half were done for barter where I exchanged my service for the other person's service. Ginger died in early 2011 and eventually her centered closed down.
Fast forward to 2 weeks ago and EC calls me and says that i worked on a woman in 2010 at Ginger's, call her Susie, who is a professional masseuse, fully certified and accredited. Susie asked EC if I was still around and if so she was experiencing some very serious problems and wanted to do an exchange with me. Well, we set up the meeting for last night. I dug my massage technique out of the moth balls and went over to Susie's place in the Newport Beach area of Orange County.
What a fantastic experience. Susie, a woman of perhaps 42 to 45 had been in an automobile accident many years ago and had suffered some physical damage to the vertebrae in her neck. Several of the upper vertabrae were reconstructed surgically in an operation which she had at the time. Things were not restored a full 100%. Though she was stable, often, when Susie slept, there was pressure from her reconstructed vertabrae being put on her brain and as a result, her speech is a bit slurred.
I first treated her in 2010. At the time, I was fooling around, running out entities from accidents and that is what I did on her in 2010 but in late 2011, I gave up all activity with that type of work, and just concentrated on massage plus trying to pick up a persons's thoughts while I am working on them and using those thoughts to guide which points on their head I press on.
With Susie, I couldn't pick up any thoughts so I started her talking, while I was messaging her; she was very talkative. She is a real nice person, very spiritual and aware but she was a "walking train wreck". She had some purposes which were blunted and she had very low self esteem. I got her to talk about the first time she remembered having her purpose blunted. She mentioned that her Dad had started telling her when she was a teenager that she was a loser and that she would never succeed without the help of a man who could guide her and protect her.
I asked about her Dad, and she said that he was a good man and had done a lot for her and that she respected him and felt that she had to respect him because he had done so much for her. I was thinking, 'sure respect your Dad but that doesn't mean you have to take to heart negative garbage which he says about you'. My task was to get her to become aware of that concept. First I explained to her how damaging it can be to be have a wrong item given to you and and then accept that wrong item as a stable datum. She was stuck on the point that because she respected her Dad, if she did not take his negative comments to heart, that would constitute being disrespectful ti him! She also blurted out that she was angry at God. I couldn't believe my ears and asked why she was angry at God. She answered that it was because He had put her into a body when she wanted to be a free spirit with no body.
I was massaging her neck and head while we talked and she said that some of the points I touched on her neck and head were very sensitive and that she could feel harmful energy dissipating from those points out into the air.
I had her tell me all the kind and helpful things her Dad had done for her and their family and when she finished, I said that I could see why she respected him for all those things. I asked her that just because she respects him for doing all that good, does it automatically follow out that she has to respect every single comment that he makes, even when some of them are both wrong and destructive. I was hoping that if she looked into that area, she would realize that she should respect only the good things he did but was not obligated to respect incorrect opinions of his. She saw that very quickly and brightened up.
I then probed into what she felt her purpose was in life and she said that she felt compelled to write a book on her journey through life and her various troubles encountered and how she was able to overcome them, earn a Bachelor's degree from UC Berkely and then become a massage therapist when her Psychology degree did not land her a good job. Suddenly, she realized that in order to write her book, she had to have a body! Her disagreement with the Diety blew and she let go of tons of trapped energy and I ended off my massage right there. It was almost too easy, mainly a bit of two way communication and some elementary Freudian type analysis. She went from looking about 50 to looking 40 and was very happy.
She worked on me next. My sciatic nerve is swollen and she gave me an excellent massage, maybe the best one I have ever had. We agreed to exchange services once a week for an indefinite period and so I'm going back next week. Her and I are now friends and confidants and the whole thing was just a delightful event.
I have made my technique as simple as possible. I just use the shoulder, neck and head massage as a means to find out the most pressing problem the person has at the moment of the session and then I do a little Freudian or Jungian type of questioning to get the person to look into a certain area which came up during the previous step. I can tell if I am getting results by observing if heat and electrical charge is releasing from the person's head. It's a neat little technique. I don't make money with it, but it can get some nice services through barter and it is really satisfying when someone achieves some major help from my services as was the case last night.
Lakey
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Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
coooooooooooooooooool...
coooooooooooooooooool...
looker
Patron Meritorious
LRH Stories DVD
DVD of remembrances of Hubbard filmed 1998. Dont shoot the messenger, I'm just thinking someone may be curious and old timers may refute or add to some of these stories or know some of these people. The Gloria Swanson recollection sounds to me like a mythical PR BS "Shore Story" from the day. But, what do I know.
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but I just ran in to this a day ago. Its advertised by the eMeter seller on eBay Techlibrary. He buys and sells CO$ materials to/from exes and the independants. I only got his eMail because I wanted to sell an old eMeter a few years back.
http://www.lrhstories.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AaI-NHNLPU
snip from the site>
In 1997, old-time Scientologists from around the world came together for the first time ever to document
their experiences with L. Ron Hubbard. Considered lost, this footage was rediscovered in early 2013.
After many months in production, a brand new, independently-produced DVD lets you see and
hear the stellar names of Scientology’s early days tell their fondest LRH Stories including:
Ron Audits Screen Legend Gloria Swanson
Ron Buys Saint Hill Manor “Sight Unseen”
The Exact Genesis of the Theta/MEST Theory
How Ron Lost and Regained the Copyrights to Dianetics
The First Org Board
How Ron’s Lectures Were Recorded. Did He Use Notes?
Ron’s Time in Rhodesia
What Was Ron’s Schedule?
Did Ron Exercise? What Was His Diet?
Ron’s Special Typewriter
Why Did Ron Study the Classic Black and White Films?
How Ron Was Able to Answer All His Mail
Plus a wealth of other remarkable stories from the people who were there.
You will be entertained and delighted by the information, drama, and humor in the many significant narratives and anecdotes.
You may also find these very personal and priceless stories about the man, L. Ron Hubbard, enlightening and even inspiring.
Get your 3½-hour LRH Stories DVD here.
For a limited time, receive a second DVD, More LRH Stories with your order.
More LRH Stories contains an additional 3½ hours of exciting video
from the Old-Timers events taped between 1998 and 2000.
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Blech! the promo language makes my stomach queasy.
DVD of remembrances of Hubbard filmed 1998. Dont shoot the messenger, I'm just thinking someone may be curious and old timers may refute or add to some of these stories or know some of these people. The Gloria Swanson recollection sounds to me like a mythical PR BS "Shore Story" from the day. But, what do I know.
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but I just ran in to this a day ago. Its advertised by the eMeter seller on eBay Techlibrary. He buys and sells CO$ materials to/from exes and the independants. I only got his eMail because I wanted to sell an old eMeter a few years back.
http://www.lrhstories.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AaI-NHNLPU
snip from the site>
In 1997, old-time Scientologists from around the world came together for the first time ever to document
their experiences with L. Ron Hubbard. Considered lost, this footage was rediscovered in early 2013.
After many months in production, a brand new, independently-produced DVD lets you see and
hear the stellar names of Scientology’s early days tell their fondest LRH Stories including:
Ron Audits Screen Legend Gloria Swanson
Ron Buys Saint Hill Manor “Sight Unseen”
The Exact Genesis of the Theta/MEST Theory
How Ron Lost and Regained the Copyrights to Dianetics
The First Org Board
How Ron’s Lectures Were Recorded. Did He Use Notes?
Ron’s Time in Rhodesia
What Was Ron’s Schedule?
Did Ron Exercise? What Was His Diet?
Ron’s Special Typewriter
Why Did Ron Study the Classic Black and White Films?
How Ron Was Able to Answer All His Mail
Plus a wealth of other remarkable stories from the people who were there.
You will be entertained and delighted by the information, drama, and humor in the many significant narratives and anecdotes.
You may also find these very personal and priceless stories about the man, L. Ron Hubbard, enlightening and even inspiring.
Get your 3½-hour LRH Stories DVD here.
For a limited time, receive a second DVD, More LRH Stories with your order.
More LRH Stories contains an additional 3½ hours of exciting video
from the Old-Timers events taped between 1998 and 2000.
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Blech! the promo language makes my stomach queasy.
Leland
Crusader
Re: LRH Stories DVD
No doubt LRH was interested in Film.....and sound reproduction.....but I like to point out his age...and at what point he grew up and where that Industry was at that time. There seems to me a bit of confusion about it....IMO
La Fatty was 21 years old when the first color feature film came out of Hollywood. (1932) It was not until 1952 that color films became common place. So Black and White films were about the only films he could have studied.....there were no color films. It would not be until 1952 that Hollywood would release most of their movies in color. LRH would have been 41 years of age in 1952.
Now factually.......La Fatty, as far as movies go......grew up with SILENT FILMS......the first talkies didn't come out until 1927......so La Fatty would have been 16 years old at that time. So from age 1 to 16 for La Fatty.....there were only silent films released by Hollywood.
This IMO must have been a shock to LRH. To go from Silent Films to Talkies....(could have something to do with his later idea about speech in engrams?????)
And later to go to color films....
No doubt LRH was interested in Film.....and sound reproduction.....but I like to point out his age...and at what point he grew up and where that Industry was at that time. There seems to me a bit of confusion about it....IMO
La Fatty was 21 years old when the first color feature film came out of Hollywood. (1932) It was not until 1952 that color films became common place. So Black and White films were about the only films he could have studied.....there were no color films. It would not be until 1952 that Hollywood would release most of their movies in color. LRH would have been 41 years of age in 1952.
Now factually.......La Fatty, as far as movies go......grew up with SILENT FILMS......the first talkies didn't come out until 1927......so La Fatty would have been 16 years old at that time. So from age 1 to 16 for La Fatty.....there were only silent films released by Hollywood.
This IMO must have been a shock to LRH. To go from Silent Films to Talkies....(could have something to do with his later idea about speech in engrams?????)
And later to go to color films....
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Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
you can have the lenin sisters lakey,
i'll take the marx bothers
you can have the lenin sisters lakey,
i'll take the marx bothers
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I'm not all that thrilled with the Lennon Sisters, their talent level is good but they are a little too syrup like for my tastes. Being part of the Lawrence Welk show, with its semi Puritanical outlook on life, the girls were restricted to be prim and prissy but their singing was more than adequate. I remember that Welk's champagne Lady, Alice Lon, got fired from the show in June, 1959 after 6 years of service because one of her knees became visible as she did a bit of a dance routine while singing a song. See link: http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...wcsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=e8gEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2979,2087420
Of course, I love the Marx Brothers. Like CO2 and I used to write in the early days of this thread, there were so many great talents in that generation which fought WWII, Tom Brokaw's "Greatest Generation'. We had the Marx Bros., led by Groucho and Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Milton Belre,George Burns and Gracie Allen, Eddie Canter, Danny Kaye, Jimmy Durante, Judy Canova, Jackie Gleason and the singers, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Al Jolson, Perry Como, Nat Cole, Louis Armstrong, Judy Garland the band leaders, Tommy Dorsey, Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, etc., etc. The list goes on with dozens more superstars which I failed to mention. Amazingly, about half of those top entertainers were of Jewish descent.
CB, when it comes to Sister's acts, there have been a lot of great ones but the ultimate were the Andrews Sister. Those 3 ladies started out nationally in 1939 with the hit song, "Bei Mir bist du Schoen" (To me you are beautiful} in both Yiddish and German. The time period when they were at the top was not that long, it lasted throughout the 1940's. They were in movies, recorded duets with Bing Crosby, sang for Disney Cartoons. By around 1950, though they were still young, they pretty much left the upper echelon of top entertainment. My Aunt, my Mom's twin sister from Dayton, Ohio said that they used to play the lounge shows in Lexington and Covington Kentucky. Those towns right across the Ohio River from Cincinnat,i had Indian style casinos with major entertainment in the 40's, 50's and beyond all the way up to the present day. Back in those days, they were not on Indian land and had nothing to do with Indian tribes. Vegas was a long way from Ohio by train and the Vegas Strip just got started around 1947, started by Bugsy Seigal, so Easterners rigged things so that large population centers had local access to gambling.
Check out the Andrews Sisters in one of their greatest hits. "Buck Privates", staring Abbot and Costello came out around 1942 just as the USA was entering WWII. The three young sisters, from Minneapolis, performed their hit song, "The Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy of Company B" Their lead singer, Patty Andrews, lived all the way up to last year, finally dying quietly at age 95 in the San Fernando Valley section of Los Angeles. To my surprise, she got almost no press when she passed away. Here is a link to the sisters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qafnJ6mRbgk
Lakey
I'm not all that thrilled with the Lennon Sisters, their talent level is good but they are a little too syrup like for my tastes. Being part of the Lawrence Welk show, with its semi Puritanical outlook on life, the girls were restricted to be prim and prissy but their singing was more than adequate. I remember that Welk's champagne Lady, Alice Lon, got fired from the show in June, 1959 after 6 years of service because one of her knees became visible as she did a bit of a dance routine while singing a song. See link: http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...wcsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=e8gEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2979,2087420
Of course, I love the Marx Brothers. Like CO2 and I used to write in the early days of this thread, there were so many great talents in that generation which fought WWII, Tom Brokaw's "Greatest Generation'. We had the Marx Bros., led by Groucho and Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Milton Belre,George Burns and Gracie Allen, Eddie Canter, Danny Kaye, Jimmy Durante, Judy Canova, Jackie Gleason and the singers, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Al Jolson, Perry Como, Nat Cole, Louis Armstrong, Judy Garland the band leaders, Tommy Dorsey, Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, etc., etc. The list goes on with dozens more superstars which I failed to mention. Amazingly, about half of those top entertainers were of Jewish descent.
CB, when it comes to Sister's acts, there have been a lot of great ones but the ultimate were the Andrews Sister. Those 3 ladies started out nationally in 1939 with the hit song, "Bei Mir bist du Schoen" (To me you are beautiful} in both Yiddish and German. The time period when they were at the top was not that long, it lasted throughout the 1940's. They were in movies, recorded duets with Bing Crosby, sang for Disney Cartoons. By around 1950, though they were still young, they pretty much left the upper echelon of top entertainment. My Aunt, my Mom's twin sister from Dayton, Ohio said that they used to play the lounge shows in Lexington and Covington Kentucky. Those towns right across the Ohio River from Cincinnat,i had Indian style casinos with major entertainment in the 40's, 50's and beyond all the way up to the present day. Back in those days, they were not on Indian land and had nothing to do with Indian tribes. Vegas was a long way from Ohio by train and the Vegas Strip just got started around 1947, started by Bugsy Seigal, so Easterners rigged things so that large population centers had local access to gambling.
Check out the Andrews Sisters in one of their greatest hits. "Buck Privates", staring Abbot and Costello came out around 1942 just as the USA was entering WWII. The three young sisters, from Minneapolis, performed their hit song, "The Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy of Company B" Their lead singer, Patty Andrews, lived all the way up to last year, finally dying quietly at age 95 in the San Fernando Valley section of Los Angeles. To my surprise, she got almost no press when she passed away. Here is a link to the sisters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qafnJ6mRbgk
Lakey
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lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I'm not all that thrilled with the Lennon Sisters, their talent level is good but they are a little too syrup like for my tastes. Being part of the Lawrence Welk show, with its semi Puritanical outlook on life, the girls were restricted to be prim and prissy but their singing was more than adequate. I remember that Welk's champagne Lady, Alice Lon, got fired from the show in June, 1959 after 6 years of service because one of her knees became visible as she did a bit of a dance routine while singing a song. See link: http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...wcsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=e8gEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2979,2087420
Of course, I love the Marx Brothers. Like CO2 and I used to write in the early days of this thread, there were so many great talents in that generation which fought WWII, Tom Brokaw's "Greatest Generation'. We had the Marx Bros., led by Groucho and Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Milton Belre,George Burns and Gracie Allen, Eddie Canter, Danny Kaye, Jimmy Durante, Judy Canova, Jackie Gleason and the singers, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Al Jolson, Perry Como, Nat Cole, Louis Armstrong, Judy Garland the band leaders, Tommy Dorsey, Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, etc., etc. The list goes on with dozens more superstars which I failed to mention. Amazingly, about half of those top entertainers were of Jewish descent.
CB, when it comes to Sister's acts, there have been a lot of great ones but the ultimate were the Andrews Sister. Those 3 ladies started out nationally in 1939 with the hit song, "Bei Mir bist du Schoen" (To me you are beautiful} in both Yiddish and German. The time period when they were at the top was not that long, it last throughout the 1940's. They were in movies, recorded duets with Bing Crosby, sang for Disney Cartoons. By around 1950, though they were still young, they pretty much left the upper echelon of top entertainment. My Aunt, my Mom's twin sister from Dayton, Ohio said that they used to play the lounge shows in Lexington and Covington Kentucky. Those towns right across the Ohio River had Indian style casinos with major entertainment in the 40's, 50's and beyond all the way up to the present day. Back in those days, they were not on Indian land and had nothing to do with Indian tribes. Vegas was a long way from Ohio by train and the Vegas Strip just got started around 1947, started by Bugsy Seigal, so Easterners rigged things so that large population centers had local access to gambling.
Check out the Andrews Sisters in one of their greatest hits. "Buck Privates", staring Abbot and Costello came out around 1942 just as the USA was entering WWII. The three young sisters, from Minneapolis, performed their hit song, "The Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy of Company B" Their lead singer, Patty Andrews, lived all the way up to last year, finally dying quietly at age 95 in the San Fernando Valley section of Los Angeles. To my surprise, she got almost no press when she passed away. Here is a link to the sisters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qafnJ6mRbgk
Lakey
I'm not all that thrilled with the Lennon Sisters, their talent level is good but they are a little too syrup like for my tastes. Being part of the Lawrence Welk show, with its semi Puritanical outlook on life, the girls were restricted to be prim and prissy but their singing was more than adequate. I remember that Welk's champagne Lady, Alice Lon, got fired from the show in June, 1959 after 6 years of service because one of her knees became visible as she did a bit of a dance routine while singing a song. See link: http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...wcsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=e8gEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2979,2087420
Of course, I love the Marx Brothers. Like CO2 and I used to write in the early days of this thread, there were so many great talents in that generation which fought WWII, Tom Brokaw's "Greatest Generation'. We had the Marx Bros., led by Groucho and Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Milton Belre,George Burns and Gracie Allen, Eddie Canter, Danny Kaye, Jimmy Durante, Judy Canova, Jackie Gleason and the singers, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Al Jolson, Perry Como, Nat Cole, Louis Armstrong, Judy Garland the band leaders, Tommy Dorsey, Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, etc., etc. The list goes on with dozens more superstars which I failed to mention. Amazingly, about half of those top entertainers were of Jewish descent.
CB, when it comes to Sister's acts, there have been a lot of great ones but the ultimate were the Andrews Sister. Those 3 ladies started out nationally in 1939 with the hit song, "Bei Mir bist du Schoen" (To me you are beautiful} in both Yiddish and German. The time period when they were at the top was not that long, it last throughout the 1940's. They were in movies, recorded duets with Bing Crosby, sang for Disney Cartoons. By around 1950, though they were still young, they pretty much left the upper echelon of top entertainment. My Aunt, my Mom's twin sister from Dayton, Ohio said that they used to play the lounge shows in Lexington and Covington Kentucky. Those towns right across the Ohio River had Indian style casinos with major entertainment in the 40's, 50's and beyond all the way up to the present day. Back in those days, they were not on Indian land and had nothing to do with Indian tribes. Vegas was a long way from Ohio by train and the Vegas Strip just got started around 1947, started by Bugsy Seigal, so Easterners rigged things so that large population centers had local access to gambling.
Check out the Andrews Sisters in one of their greatest hits. "Buck Privates", staring Abbot and Costello came out around 1942 just as the USA was entering WWII. The three young sisters, from Minneapolis, performed their hit song, "The Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy of Company B" Their lead singer, Patty Andrews, lived all the way up to last year, finally dying quietly at age 95 in the San Fernando Valley section of Los Angeles. To my surprise, she got almost no press when she passed away. Here is a link to the sisters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qafnJ6mRbgk
Lakey
lkwdblds
Crusader
What song lyrics debuted in 1791 and had a major revision in 1963
The post I am about to write is ridiculous. This is a silly post but just for the hell of it, I decided to write it. I'm probably one of the few people on Earth who knows about this trivial and ridiculous piece of obscure data. I showed it to my Columbian friend and he thought it was interesting so here goes a stupid post.
Part One: In the days of oldies rock and roll, a group called the Rivingtons came out with a hit song that made it onto the charts called "Papa Oom Mow Mow". I always loved the song. The lyrics were just plain stupid but the song had a good beat. Here is a link to the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQrQjNNZCAo
Well a couple of years past and in 1964 I ran into Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's last opera, a work that premiered only 3 months before his untimely death at age 35. The Magic Flute featured a creature named Papageno who was a bird catcher but he was more than that, he seems to be half bird and half man. He led a carefree life catching birds but his life had a missing ingredient in that he had no mate. Basically, there were no women around who were half woman, half bird. Papageno longed for a mate but it seemed that his longing would go unfulfilled.
Mozart and his backers who hired him to write the music for The Magic Flute, were all members of a Masonic Lodge in Vienna Austria. Free Masonry had similarities with Scientology in that there were (and still are) secrete levels to be done to attain enlightenment. Of key importance in being a complete being was a bonding of love between a man and a woman with the result being a large family of children.
Papageno's loneliness is touched on in the opening scene of the opera but is then forgotten until the closing scenes when the elders of the Masonic Temple present Papageno, the bird man, with his perfect partner, a bird woman named Papegena. The two of them meet and each is dumbfounded that a perfect match exists for each of them, they begin stammering each others names and lo and behold, this 1791 opera production in Vienna, sounds very similar to the 1962 Rock and Roll Hit song sung at the Whiskey A Go Go Lounge on the Sunset Strip where I first heard it in 1963.
Check it out and see if you hear the similarity which I hear. Everything is different, the time, the place, the venues, the genres and yet, lo and behold, several sections of the two pieces of music sound as if they are related. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNuM9Z4MEQw
Well, what do you think, isn't there a similarity in those two pieces of music?
One thing this song reveals to me is that Mozart wrote this music on lyrics supplied by his associates. It is about love, birth, raising children. Mozart was able to get into that frame of mind and fill the bill with very happy music. Less than 6 months later, he took ill and and died, only 35 years old. The cheerfulness of the music, only months earlier, shows that he had no impending sense of or expectation of death a few months before he died.
Lakey
The post I am about to write is ridiculous. This is a silly post but just for the hell of it, I decided to write it. I'm probably one of the few people on Earth who knows about this trivial and ridiculous piece of obscure data. I showed it to my Columbian friend and he thought it was interesting so here goes a stupid post.
Part One: In the days of oldies rock and roll, a group called the Rivingtons came out with a hit song that made it onto the charts called "Papa Oom Mow Mow". I always loved the song. The lyrics were just plain stupid but the song had a good beat. Here is a link to the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQrQjNNZCAo
Well a couple of years past and in 1964 I ran into Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's last opera, a work that premiered only 3 months before his untimely death at age 35. The Magic Flute featured a creature named Papageno who was a bird catcher but he was more than that, he seems to be half bird and half man. He led a carefree life catching birds but his life had a missing ingredient in that he had no mate. Basically, there were no women around who were half woman, half bird. Papageno longed for a mate but it seemed that his longing would go unfulfilled.
Mozart and his backers who hired him to write the music for The Magic Flute, were all members of a Masonic Lodge in Vienna Austria. Free Masonry had similarities with Scientology in that there were (and still are) secrete levels to be done to attain enlightenment. Of key importance in being a complete being was a bonding of love between a man and a woman with the result being a large family of children.
Papageno's loneliness is touched on in the opening scene of the opera but is then forgotten until the closing scenes when the elders of the Masonic Temple present Papageno, the bird man, with his perfect partner, a bird woman named Papegena. The two of them meet and each is dumbfounded that a perfect match exists for each of them, they begin stammering each others names and lo and behold, this 1791 opera production in Vienna, sounds very similar to the 1962 Rock and Roll Hit song sung at the Whiskey A Go Go Lounge on the Sunset Strip where I first heard it in 1963.
Check it out and see if you hear the similarity which I hear. Everything is different, the time, the place, the venues, the genres and yet, lo and behold, several sections of the two pieces of music sound as if they are related. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNuM9Z4MEQw
Well, what do you think, isn't there a similarity in those two pieces of music?
One thing this song reveals to me is that Mozart wrote this music on lyrics supplied by his associates. It is about love, birth, raising children. Mozart was able to get into that frame of mind and fill the bill with very happy music. Less than 6 months later, he took ill and and died, only 35 years old. The cheerfulness of the music, only months earlier, shows that he had no impending sense of or expectation of death a few months before he died.
Lakey
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Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
o yeah!
eight to the bar!!!
there's a low watt listener-supported AM station in boston, WJIB, playing the worst schlock produced between the spanish civil and vietnam punctuated with a few knock 'em dead monsters from armstrong, sinatra, hank will'ms et. al. and i tune in on it in my taxi and MAN!!! i get to hear patti maxine and laverne reporting in uniform to testify upon the boogie-woogie bugle boy of company B; A GREATEST HIT EVER!!! which shall verily be heard so long as there shall be ears two or three times a week; lakey you are reading my mail...
yay-ass...
there was that german bandleader from south dakota warn't thar?
my maternal grandparents back in the hills of the granite state were in their sixties before they got their first television, a 1949 Admiral given to them by the tracey's whose summer cottage on silver lake they maintained. it delivered a snowy black and white image from but one station, channel eight. the only times i ever saw them use it was for the green bay-detroit game at thanksgiving and once a week they would draw two chairs into the parlor in front of the delicate and clunky nouveau antique in the corner with the hall door to the left, then the tall hand cranked victrola then the fireplace and to the right between the two front windows the table where a pair of tiffany lamps framed a print of maxfield parrish's "daybreak" they would watch Lawrence Welk and His Champagne Music Makers...
am i PTS to norman rockwell or what?
and abbot and costello? i had a cassette i'd just bought at amoeba records, "who's on first" playing onthe tape deck when i discombobulated my van and did the peppermint twist a few seconds in the eye of the tiger...
o yeah!
eight to the bar!!!
there's a low watt listener-supported AM station in boston, WJIB, playing the worst schlock produced between the spanish civil and vietnam punctuated with a few knock 'em dead monsters from armstrong, sinatra, hank will'ms et. al. and i tune in on it in my taxi and MAN!!! i get to hear patti maxine and laverne reporting in uniform to testify upon the boogie-woogie bugle boy of company B; A GREATEST HIT EVER!!! which shall verily be heard so long as there shall be ears two or three times a week; lakey you are reading my mail...
yay-ass...
there was that german bandleader from south dakota warn't thar?
my maternal grandparents back in the hills of the granite state were in their sixties before they got their first television, a 1949 Admiral given to them by the tracey's whose summer cottage on silver lake they maintained. it delivered a snowy black and white image from but one station, channel eight. the only times i ever saw them use it was for the green bay-detroit game at thanksgiving and once a week they would draw two chairs into the parlor in front of the delicate and clunky nouveau antique in the corner with the hall door to the left, then the tall hand cranked victrola then the fireplace and to the right between the two front windows the table where a pair of tiffany lamps framed a print of maxfield parrish's "daybreak" they would watch Lawrence Welk and His Champagne Music Makers...
am i PTS to norman rockwell or what?
and abbot and costello? i had a cassette i'd just bought at amoeba records, "who's on first" playing onthe tape deck when i discombobulated my van and did the peppermint twist a few seconds in the eye of the tiger...
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
CB, I first saw TV in the summer of 1948. I was 8 and a friend of mine's Dad owned a furniture store which was among the first TV outlets in L.A.. My friend, Larry, came by on his bike one day and asked me if I would like to watch TV. I remember that I knew what TV was, probably by reading comic books because some of those books showed people watching TV sets. I hopped on the back of his bike and we rode 3 blocks to his house. The TV screen was a 10" black and white but the picture was quite sharp and clear. The first thing I ever saw was a tennis match featuring the world's best player, Pancho Gonzales, playing one of the other top players, maybe Tony Trabert of Vic Sedgeman or some name like that. Gonzales won a very close match which ended in a tie and needed added games to settle the match. There was a sponsor, Bullova watches, and between each game of the match, a Bullova watch appeared on a pedestal and showed the correct time of day. L.A. had only one station then, KTLA, Channel 5 which is still in business. After the tennis match was over, there was no more programming, just a test pattern.
A few days later, Larry came by and invited me over to have dinner and watch a baseball game. The Hollywood Stars of the old Pacific Coast League, a minor league, were playing somebody. I watched until about 8:00 PM and then had to go home. Again, though the picture tube was small, the picture was very sharp with good detail.
The next summer, a neighbor, the Lucas family, down the block got the second TV in the area and immediately, every weekday, after school, they set out about 20 bridge chairs in their den and when we kids got home from grade school, we headed over to their house. Several of the Mom's were there and they made popcorn and served Kool Aid and popcorn to all the kids. What was on TV? Mainly, in the afternoons, it was just old cowboy movies back in 1949. Actually, old cowboy movies plus live wrestling matches originating in L.A. were the main staples for about a year. I remember that they also had some cooking shows; in fact one of the top wrestlers, "Baron Michelle Leone, of Italian descent put on a cooking show on a regular basis and also game shows, where charades were played, were also popular. Among the cowboy shows, most of the movies on TV in 1949 starred William Boyd as Hopalong Cassidy. These old cowboy movies were mostly made in the 1930's. Soon, they were also showing old Laurel and Hardy Movies as well.
What a time to be a kid? Everything seemed so fresh and new. WWII had ended only 3 years earlier and the economy was going through the roof. L.A. only had 1.5 million then as opposed to 4 million now and traffic was not so congested and prices were low. We had radio, phonographs and 10" B & W TV's and thought these were modern times. Little did we suspect that tech as advanced as what exists today would become available within our lifetimes.
Lakey
CB, I first saw TV in the summer of 1948. I was 8 and a friend of mine's Dad owned a furniture store which was among the first TV outlets in L.A.. My friend, Larry, came by on his bike one day and asked me if I would like to watch TV. I remember that I knew what TV was, probably by reading comic books because some of those books showed people watching TV sets. I hopped on the back of his bike and we rode 3 blocks to his house. The TV screen was a 10" black and white but the picture was quite sharp and clear. The first thing I ever saw was a tennis match featuring the world's best player, Pancho Gonzales, playing one of the other top players, maybe Tony Trabert of Vic Sedgeman or some name like that. Gonzales won a very close match which ended in a tie and needed added games to settle the match. There was a sponsor, Bullova watches, and between each game of the match, a Bullova watch appeared on a pedestal and showed the correct time of day. L.A. had only one station then, KTLA, Channel 5 which is still in business. After the tennis match was over, there was no more programming, just a test pattern.
A few days later, Larry came by and invited me over to have dinner and watch a baseball game. The Hollywood Stars of the old Pacific Coast League, a minor league, were playing somebody. I watched until about 8:00 PM and then had to go home. Again, though the picture tube was small, the picture was very sharp with good detail.
The next summer, a neighbor, the Lucas family, down the block got the second TV in the area and immediately, every weekday, after school, they set out about 20 bridge chairs in their den and when we kids got home from grade school, we headed over to their house. Several of the Mom's were there and they made popcorn and served Kool Aid and popcorn to all the kids. What was on TV? Mainly, in the afternoons, it was just old cowboy movies back in 1949. Actually, old cowboy movies plus live wrestling matches originating in L.A. were the main staples for about a year. I remember that they also had some cooking shows; in fact one of the top wrestlers, "Baron Michelle Leone, of Italian descent put on a cooking show on a regular basis and also game shows, where charades were played, were also popular. Among the cowboy shows, most of the movies on TV in 1949 starred William Boyd as Hopalong Cassidy. These old cowboy movies were mostly made in the 1930's. Soon, they were also showing old Laurel and Hardy Movies as well.
What a time to be a kid? Everything seemed so fresh and new. WWII had ended only 3 years earlier and the economy was going through the roof. L.A. only had 1.5 million then as opposed to 4 million now and traffic was not so congested and prices were low. We had radio, phonographs and 10" B & W TV's and thought these were modern times. Little did we suspect that tech as advanced as what exists today would become available within our lifetimes.
Lakey
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Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
yeah...
1948 was the first big year for television sales. in '47 there three million receivers in the country, most of them in bars which filled up with the first broadcast of the world series; yankees vs. dodgers. al gionfrido made his legendary catch off jolting joe near the foul pole in "the house that ruth built" and billy bevens had a no-hitter going at ebbets until to out in the ninth when cookie lavagetto's double plated a pair and gave dem bums a 2-1 walkoff win. boobtube sales took off after that...
yeah...
koolaid and popcorn
now the Co$ koolaid rully suxxx but the popcorn's pretty good...
yeah...
1948 was the first big year for television sales. in '47 there three million receivers in the country, most of them in bars which filled up with the first broadcast of the world series; yankees vs. dodgers. al gionfrido made his legendary catch off jolting joe near the foul pole in "the house that ruth built" and billy bevens had a no-hitter going at ebbets until to out in the ninth when cookie lavagetto's double plated a pair and gave dem bums a 2-1 walkoff win. boobtube sales took off after that...
yeah...
koolaid and popcorn
now the Co$ koolaid rully suxxx but the popcorn's pretty good...
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Yea, I believe that '48 was the first big push nationwide. New York City kicked off TV around 1939. They had live TV at the World's Fair held there in 1939. The first baseball game televised was the New York Giants hosting the Cincinnati Reds in '39 if I am not mistaken. TV Sets then went on sale in Department stores in New York City in 1940 and 1941. There were 10,000 receivers in New York City in 1941 and there was quite a bit of programming taking place.
Europe got the jump on the USA, however, with television making its first debut about 1934 in England. Germany was an early player as well and the 1936 Berlin Olympic games were televised in Nazi Germany. Very few private citiizens owned sets but for the '36 Olympics, department stores had TV sets in their windows and the public would gather around and watch various events while standing outside the store on the sidewalk.
One German who helped pioneer TV in Nazi Germany was a young man named Klaus Landsbgerg. He did pioneering work, covering many events at the '36 Olymppics. Besides being technically proficient, Klaus was also a moral and caring human being. He became disgusted with Hitler's regime and though he was not Jewish he left Germany around 1939 and after working in Philly and New York City, he relocated to Los Angeles, CA in 1941. KTLA, Channel 5 did not exist yet but it's nucleus was already formed. Instead of KTLA, it was called Channel W6XYZ. They had an office in Hollywood and they already had a transmitter on Mount Wilson, which overlooked L.A., which became their transmitter when they began operating as KTLA.
Three things prevented KTLA from starting TV broadcasts in the early '40's. First, there was absolutely no programming to televise, second was that not even one person in L.A. owned a TV receiver set and finally, before those two items could be addressed, WWII broke out.
The outbreak of WWII caused all TV development activity and all TV shows for public viewing to be suspend until the war was over. Had WWII not taken place, instead of 1948 being the kick off year for nationwide TV, it would have happened in 1943 or 1944 instead. Ditto for Europe, England and Germany put their TV development on hold. New York City had in 1941 possibly more advanced TV than L.A. had in 1948 while Germany and England where ahead of New York City.
How do I know all this? First, I purchased big picture books on how TV got started, back in the 90's and read them thoroughly, then in 1998 I believe it was, station KTLA ran big specials celebrating their 50th anniversary as a TV station. I avidly watched those KTLA specials and that is how I learned more about Klaus Landsberg.,
I have copied Lansberg's article on the internet. It is a very interesting read, so here it is:
Klaus Landsberg
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Klaus Landsberg
Born July 7, 1916
Berlin, German Empire
Died September 16, 1956 (aged 40)
Los Angeles, California, U.S.
Klaus Landsberg (July 7, 1916 – September 16, 1956) was a pioneering electrical engineer who made history with early commercial telecasts and who helped pave the way for today's television networks.
He appeared in many plays during his childhood. In his early teens he combined his technical skill and expressed desire to pursue his strong artistic inclination, setting out to prove that the two could be successfully blended.
In 1936 he was called upon to assist in the history-making telecast of the Berlin Olympic Games.
In 1937 Klaus was appointed laboratory engineer and assistant to Dr. Arthur Korn, the inventor of picture telegraphy. During this association, Landsberg himself created many new electronic devices. The most outstanding of these achievements was the invention of an electronic aid to navigation and blind landings, considered so vital to the Third Reich that upon being patented was declared a military-secret, which Landsberg was determined to destroy as a Nazi weapon (he was successful). This basic radar principle later became Landsberg's passport to America.
Following his arrival in the US, Farnsworth Television, Inc. hired Klaus Landsberg as Television Development Engineer in Philadelphia in 1938.
In 1939 he went to New York for the National Broadcasting Company television division. During this period, Landsberg helped NBC make possible the first public television demonstrations in America, at the April 30, 1939 opening of the New York World's Fair.
Allen B. DuMont recognized Landsberg's qualifications, and signed him as television design and development engineer for the New York-based DuMont Laboratories, a pioneer United States television organization. There he supervised technical operations of the television unit at the U.S. Army Maneuvers in Cantons, New York, developing automatic synchronizing circuits.
In 1939 he was contracted to build DuMont's station WABD, as well as produce the station's first shows.
In 1941 Klaus was sent by Paramount Pictures to Los Angeles to build W6XYZ, an experimental television station.
He ran the experimental station from 1942 to 1947, during which time he produced Paramount's first kinescope.
Also in 1947, KTLA (Channel 5), a Los Angeles Television station funded by Paramount and helmed by Klaus Landsberg, began regular commercial broadcasts, with the first such KTLA commercial broadcast was January 22, 1947, hosted by Bob Hope.
By 1948, KTLA boasted a show lineup that included Spade Cooley, The Ina Ray Hutton Show, The Continental Lover, Time for Beany, Korla Pandit's Adventures in Music and Hollywood Wrestling.
Landsberg died of cancer in 1956.
Yea, I believe that '48 was the first big push nationwide. New York City kicked off TV around 1939. They had live TV at the World's Fair held there in 1939. The first baseball game televised was the New York Giants hosting the Cincinnati Reds in '39 if I am not mistaken. TV Sets then went on sale in Department stores in New York City in 1940 and 1941. There were 10,000 receivers in New York City in 1941 and there was quite a bit of programming taking place.
Europe got the jump on the USA, however, with television making its first debut about 1934 in England. Germany was an early player as well and the 1936 Berlin Olympic games were televised in Nazi Germany. Very few private citiizens owned sets but for the '36 Olympics, department stores had TV sets in their windows and the public would gather around and watch various events while standing outside the store on the sidewalk.
One German who helped pioneer TV in Nazi Germany was a young man named Klaus Landsbgerg. He did pioneering work, covering many events at the '36 Olymppics. Besides being technically proficient, Klaus was also a moral and caring human being. He became disgusted with Hitler's regime and though he was not Jewish he left Germany around 1939 and after working in Philly and New York City, he relocated to Los Angeles, CA in 1941. KTLA, Channel 5 did not exist yet but it's nucleus was already formed. Instead of KTLA, it was called Channel W6XYZ. They had an office in Hollywood and they already had a transmitter on Mount Wilson, which overlooked L.A., which became their transmitter when they began operating as KTLA.
Three things prevented KTLA from starting TV broadcasts in the early '40's. First, there was absolutely no programming to televise, second was that not even one person in L.A. owned a TV receiver set and finally, before those two items could be addressed, WWII broke out.
The outbreak of WWII caused all TV development activity and all TV shows for public viewing to be suspend until the war was over. Had WWII not taken place, instead of 1948 being the kick off year for nationwide TV, it would have happened in 1943 or 1944 instead. Ditto for Europe, England and Germany put their TV development on hold. New York City had in 1941 possibly more advanced TV than L.A. had in 1948 while Germany and England where ahead of New York City.
How do I know all this? First, I purchased big picture books on how TV got started, back in the 90's and read them thoroughly, then in 1998 I believe it was, station KTLA ran big specials celebrating their 50th anniversary as a TV station. I avidly watched those KTLA specials and that is how I learned more about Klaus Landsberg.,
I have copied Lansberg's article on the internet. It is a very interesting read, so here it is:
Klaus Landsberg
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Klaus Landsberg
Born July 7, 1916
Berlin, German Empire
Died September 16, 1956 (aged 40)
Los Angeles, California, U.S.
Klaus Landsberg (July 7, 1916 – September 16, 1956) was a pioneering electrical engineer who made history with early commercial telecasts and who helped pave the way for today's television networks.
He appeared in many plays during his childhood. In his early teens he combined his technical skill and expressed desire to pursue his strong artistic inclination, setting out to prove that the two could be successfully blended.
In 1936 he was called upon to assist in the history-making telecast of the Berlin Olympic Games.
In 1937 Klaus was appointed laboratory engineer and assistant to Dr. Arthur Korn, the inventor of picture telegraphy. During this association, Landsberg himself created many new electronic devices. The most outstanding of these achievements was the invention of an electronic aid to navigation and blind landings, considered so vital to the Third Reich that upon being patented was declared a military-secret, which Landsberg was determined to destroy as a Nazi weapon (he was successful). This basic radar principle later became Landsberg's passport to America.
Following his arrival in the US, Farnsworth Television, Inc. hired Klaus Landsberg as Television Development Engineer in Philadelphia in 1938.
In 1939 he went to New York for the National Broadcasting Company television division. During this period, Landsberg helped NBC make possible the first public television demonstrations in America, at the April 30, 1939 opening of the New York World's Fair.
Allen B. DuMont recognized Landsberg's qualifications, and signed him as television design and development engineer for the New York-based DuMont Laboratories, a pioneer United States television organization. There he supervised technical operations of the television unit at the U.S. Army Maneuvers in Cantons, New York, developing automatic synchronizing circuits.
In 1939 he was contracted to build DuMont's station WABD, as well as produce the station's first shows.
In 1941 Klaus was sent by Paramount Pictures to Los Angeles to build W6XYZ, an experimental television station.
He ran the experimental station from 1942 to 1947, during which time he produced Paramount's first kinescope.
Also in 1947, KTLA (Channel 5), a Los Angeles Television station funded by Paramount and helmed by Klaus Landsberg, began regular commercial broadcasts, with the first such KTLA commercial broadcast was January 22, 1947, hosted by Bob Hope.
By 1948, KTLA boasted a show lineup that included Spade Cooley, The Ina Ray Hutton Show, The Continental Lover, Time for Beany, Korla Pandit's Adventures in Music and Hollywood Wrestling.
Landsberg died of cancer in 1956.
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Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
coooooooooooool...
there's a historic plaque out in the mission district where philo farnsworth did much of his research in the twenties...
all this so the general population can be mesmerized by radioactive zombie talking heads...
returning to essences; the grandmother who would pop corn in a wire basket over red glowing embers in the fireplace by the victrola and mended my jeans on the nineteenth century treadle powered singer in the hall and made her own soap and whipped up resplendent thanksgiving feasts on the cast iron wood stove was a schoolmarm and later she was the town librarian in madison. the library was a woodframe nineteenth century one room schoolhouse heated in the winter by a franklin stove. she would walk the mile or so on tuesday and thursday afternoons and many a summer day i would walk with her. the town paid her $100 a year for her service and for fifteen years she set that money aside for my education. this was the money which financed my student hat, dianetics course and e-meter in 1971
this is how i've done so well with the training i did in scn. it's basic alchemy; to make gold you must start with gold...
coooooooooooool...
there's a historic plaque out in the mission district where philo farnsworth did much of his research in the twenties...
all this so the general population can be mesmerized by radioactive zombie talking heads...
returning to essences; the grandmother who would pop corn in a wire basket over red glowing embers in the fireplace by the victrola and mended my jeans on the nineteenth century treadle powered singer in the hall and made her own soap and whipped up resplendent thanksgiving feasts on the cast iron wood stove was a schoolmarm and later she was the town librarian in madison. the library was a woodframe nineteenth century one room schoolhouse heated in the winter by a franklin stove. she would walk the mile or so on tuesday and thursday afternoons and many a summer day i would walk with her. the town paid her $100 a year for her service and for fifteen years she set that money aside for my education. this was the money which financed my student hat, dianetics course and e-meter in 1971
this is how i've done so well with the training i did in scn. it's basic alchemy; to make gold you must start with gold...
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: Obama. books to read, etc.
CB, it seems like you are reading the early pages of this thread from about 5 years ago. I reread what I wrote. I've learned a lot since then and much of what I learned is a result of reading ESMB, plus Tony Ortega's "Underground Bunker", Mike Rinder's blog and Karen's wealth of material.
Just think, I was a "young" lad of 69 when I arrived on ESMB and now have just turned 75. For many people, once they hit their mid 60's they don't change much and just walk through the rest of their life.
That's one thing about being an ex Scientologist. You know that you entered that group with the best of intentions, wanting to be helped and to give them your life in a return effort to help the "church". You meet many exceptional and well intended people and make lots of friends and a few enemies. You feel that you are growing as a being and are being helped and the "church's" incessant pleas for more and more money seem to make sense, well sort of.
As time goes by, injustices against you begin building up. You begin to resist going further in debt. An accumulation of events starts to accumulate and suddenly you realize that YOU HAVE BEEN HAD!!! One of the great Con Men of all the ages has sunk his teeth into you and bitten off a huge chunk of your life.
MAJOR FALL OUTS FROM REALIZING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED
First, many of the people who you thought were so special, were taken in even worse than you. You can see now that they are not, as a class, ultra special people, the upper one hundredth of one percent of Earth's best people as LRH told us in his writings and tapes. True, there were many fine and outstanding people present in Hubbard's movement but then you see the same types of people out there in society. The crowd that Hubbard attracted might have been a tad smarter, brighter and/or more spiritual but on the other side of the ledger, we were for the most part a more gullible group, ready to accept and believe strange things that Hubbard assured us were truths.
SCOUTING AS A VALID MODEL FOR A GROUP PROMOTING SELF HELP
I am looking at the Boy Scout movement which I was involved with for about 5 years as a kid and that movement was a much better model of what a group teaching self help skills should be. Most of the leaders were volunteers, helping out because they wanted to help boys and help build a better society. The tech was a valuable collection of skills and costs were extremely minimal.
PERSONAL GAIN FROM PARTICIPATING IN GROUP PANEL DISCUSSIONS ON ESMB.
For me, my greatest gain from participating on ESMB came from engaging in debates and exchanges of info with many hundreds of people of all types. In order to make your debate points concisely and effectively, one can be forced to understand his/her beliefs so well that they can defend attacks from others. By engaging in panel discussions, there seem to be 3 major benefits:
#1. Skills similar to legal writing skills learned by a lawyer have to be learned and learning these skills tend to make one smarter and a clearer thinker.
#2. You can expand your knowledge and learn things from others.
#3. Sometimes others may learn things from you.
ENDING CYCLE ON EX SCIENTOLOGY
I am losing interest in both Scientology and ex Scientology. I'm about ready to move on but I am not quite there yet.
Lakey
CB, it seems like you are reading the early pages of this thread from about 5 years ago. I reread what I wrote. I've learned a lot since then and much of what I learned is a result of reading ESMB, plus Tony Ortega's "Underground Bunker", Mike Rinder's blog and Karen's wealth of material.
Just think, I was a "young" lad of 69 when I arrived on ESMB and now have just turned 75. For many people, once they hit their mid 60's they don't change much and just walk through the rest of their life.
That's one thing about being an ex Scientologist. You know that you entered that group with the best of intentions, wanting to be helped and to give them your life in a return effort to help the "church". You meet many exceptional and well intended people and make lots of friends and a few enemies. You feel that you are growing as a being and are being helped and the "church's" incessant pleas for more and more money seem to make sense, well sort of.
As time goes by, injustices against you begin building up. You begin to resist going further in debt. An accumulation of events starts to accumulate and suddenly you realize that YOU HAVE BEEN HAD!!! One of the great Con Men of all the ages has sunk his teeth into you and bitten off a huge chunk of your life.
MAJOR FALL OUTS FROM REALIZING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED
First, many of the people who you thought were so special, were taken in even worse than you. You can see now that they are not, as a class, ultra special people, the upper one hundredth of one percent of Earth's best people as LRH told us in his writings and tapes. True, there were many fine and outstanding people present in Hubbard's movement but then you see the same types of people out there in society. The crowd that Hubbard attracted might have been a tad smarter, brighter and/or more spiritual but on the other side of the ledger, we were for the most part a more gullible group, ready to accept and believe strange things that Hubbard assured us were truths.
SCOUTING AS A VALID MODEL FOR A GROUP PROMOTING SELF HELP
I am looking at the Boy Scout movement which I was involved with for about 5 years as a kid and that movement was a much better model of what a group teaching self help skills should be. Most of the leaders were volunteers, helping out because they wanted to help boys and help build a better society. The tech was a valuable collection of skills and costs were extremely minimal.
PERSONAL GAIN FROM PARTICIPATING IN GROUP PANEL DISCUSSIONS ON ESMB.
For me, my greatest gain from participating on ESMB came from engaging in debates and exchanges of info with many hundreds of people of all types. In order to make your debate points concisely and effectively, one can be forced to understand his/her beliefs so well that they can defend attacks from others. By engaging in panel discussions, there seem to be 3 major benefits:
#1. Skills similar to legal writing skills learned by a lawyer have to be learned and learning these skills tend to make one smarter and a clearer thinker.
#2. You can expand your knowledge and learn things from others.
#3. Sometimes others may learn things from you.
ENDING CYCLE ON EX SCIENTOLOGY
I am losing interest in both Scientology and ex Scientology. I'm about ready to move on but I am not quite there yet.
Lakey
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