The Mayo Challenge
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Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Very cool. I know now that he is. I'd been careful to not post anything negative back when I wasn't sure. I'm quite glad that he and Julie are here.
Hatshepsut
Crusader
I would just like to confirm it *is* David Mayo,
also. Thankfully, he's here, he's communicating, in the limited
way he can. He'll always be who he is---no one can take that away
from him, thankfully.
Tory/Magoo
I dunno. It's been 2 days. Possibly the good will that was extended to us__ to answer on ESMB any questions, got abused after 2 weeks here. His apologies and his grace and his sincere efforts to understand don't ever seem to be enough for some. The kindness and willingness to engage in our conversations has been met with jibes. It has been hard for me to watch. I don't speak for David. These are my feelings. I don't care if he told Emma he isn't that thin skinned. It's been awfully painful to see him crucified again by some while those of us who were there saw such good intentions to help.
Being the snoop that I am, I've noticed that private messages are graciously acknowledged.
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Veda
Sponsor
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his own personal antipathy towards any aspect of the free & independent use of scientology tech.
Mark A. Baker
I know you're familiar with my writings as you've recently (and quietly) adopted some of my view as your own. That said, the above quoted line from your post is dishonest. You know what you wrote is not so, yet you wrote it anyway.
Disappointing.
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
In light of the fact that whenever anyone pops up who actually practices ... free & independent use of scientology tech ... you inevitably attack them as deluded, manipulative, or both, your claims of 'respect & tolerance' carry no weight.
Although, I can't say I'm disappointed because frankly I've come to expect very little from you.
Mark A. Baker
Terril park
Sponsor
I actually surveyed people on this. Those I surveyed mostly didn't
take OT 3 literally.
They were mostly highly trained including old timers.
I also didn't take it literally and yet found it useful.
This is not PR. Its what I observed and discovered.
So put up a poll on this. If not I will myself tomorrow.
Terril park
Sponsor
I dunno. It's been 2 days. Possibly the good will that was extended to us__ to answer on ESMB any questions, got abused after 2 weeks here. His apologies and his grace and his sincere efforts to understand don't ever seem to be enough or some. The kindness and willingness to engage in our conversations has been met with jibes. It has been hard for me to watch. I don't speak for David. These are my feelings. I don't care if he told Emma he isn't that thin skinned. It's been awfully painful to see him crucified again by some while those of us who were there saw such good intentions to help.
Being the snoop that I am, I've noticed that private messages are graciously acknowledged.
I've never met Dave or Julie. Its quite clear that they are very willing to
interact with all no matter what. To turn the other cheek, to admit having been wrong. And so on.
All the above is from a viewpoint of integrity and strength, IMO.
And grace.
Its hard to show grace under pressure if one is vulnerable.
Hatshepsut
Crusader
That's just it. They are vulnerable because they are so 'open' with us.
Veda
Sponsor
It's nice to see you and your FZ PR associate tag teaming the 'public' on ESMB again.
Frick and Frack.
Always good for a laugh.
Now carry on with your schmoozing - you do it so well.
Lulu Belle
Moonbat
I dunno. It's been 2 days. Possibly the good will that was extended to us__ to answer on ESMB any questions, got abused after 2 weeks here. His apologies and his grace and his sincere efforts to understand don't ever seem to be enough for some. The kindness and willingness to engage in our conversations has been met with jibes. It has been hard for me to watch. I don't speak for David. These are my feelings. I don't care if he told Emma he isn't that thin skinned. It's been awfully painful to see him crucified again by some while those of us who were there saw such good intentions to help.
Being the snoop that I am, I've noticed that private messages are graciously acknowledged.
if you look at his "last activity" it shows
- Last Activity: 28th April 2011 07:21 PM
He may not be posting but it looks like he's still around.
Hatshepsut
Crusader
OK. Probably a pm
The last post to this forum was to me.
I was bored and saw 'Who's Online'. Julie and David's box both said 'replying to thread'. I waited around reading posts over different threads. Nothing....replied to some threads and checked back. Nothing....hrrrmmmmph. I made a prompting announcement of double post to come....Nothing. That's when I got his reply. It was funny, but sad because other posters' jeers were the response to my announced anticipation. So, from now on I mind my own business. As far as anyone knows...
The last post to this forum was to me.
I was bored and saw 'Who's Online'. Julie and David's box both said 'replying to thread'. I waited around reading posts over different threads. Nothing....replied to some threads and checked back. Nothing....hrrrmmmmph. I made a prompting announcement of double post to come....Nothing. That's when I got his reply. It was funny, but sad because other posters' jeers were the response to my announced anticipation. So, from now on I mind my own business. As far as anyone knows...
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Terril park
Sponsor
Well I don't have details of their legal restraints. I'm assuming
they post in such a way as to have no vulnurasbility.
justsayin'
Patron with Honors
I dunno. It's been 2 days. Possibly the good will that was extended to us__ to answer on ESMB any questions, got abused after 2 weeks here. His apologies and his grace and his sincere efforts to understand don't ever seem to be enough for some. The kindness and willingness to engage in our conversations has been met with jibes. It has been hard for me to watch. I don't speak for David. These are my feelings. I don't care if he told Emma he isn't that thin skinned. It's been awfully painful to see him crucified again by some while those of us who were there saw such good intentions to help.
Being the snoop that I am, I've noticed that private messages are graciously acknowledged.
it's true. but for what's it's worth, i see this pattern over and over again in my usual forum. different topic completely, but same nonsense. doubters and trolls all over the place. the only difference is, over there i have a "ban" button.
Terril park
Sponsor
My FZ PR associate tag team is who exactly? And where did
I mention him?
So I guess I'll have to start a poll tomorrow. Hope I can learn to do so in reasonable time.
Veda
Sponsor
In light of the fact that whenever anyone pops up who actually practices ... free & independent use of scientology tech ... you inevitably attack them as deluded, manipulative, or both, your claims of 'respect & tolerance' carry no weight.
Although, I can't say I'm disappointed because frankly I've come to expect very little from you.
Mark A. Baker
Many times, I expressed a positive view of the basic function of auditing. The basic function (or activity) of auditing can be thought of as a kind of neutral medium, a medium through which many things can be done - some beneficial, some manipulative, some destructive.
Scientology, as designed by its founder, and as expressed in its Grade Chart, uses all three aspects.
You left Scientology thirty years ago, yet you're still a Scientologist.
My suggestion to you is to find a good neurosurgeon and have that Scientology tattoo removed from the inside of your skull.
Gadfly
Crusader
Many times, I expressed a positive view of the basic function of auditing. The basic function (or activity) of auditing can be thought of as a kind of neutral medium, a medium through which many things can be done - some beneficial, some manipulative, some destructive.
Scientology, as designed by its founder, and as expressed in its Grade Chart, uses all three aspects.
You left Scientology thirty years ago, yet you're still a Scientologist.
My suggestion to you is to find a good neurosurgeon and have that Scientology tattoo removed from the inside of your skull.
Really, Mark Baker, I ask this sincerely, do you actually attach the label of "Scientologist" to yourself?
Does your personal self-image of yourself include the attachment to the concept "I am a Scientolgist"? If so, that will tell me a GREAT deal. Please honestly answer the question simply and clearly without any of your highly-developed and agile side-stepping (I mean that as a compliment).
I can't imagine that this is true, that you would say clearly and boldly, "I am a Scientologist", but I have been wrong before trying to guess what goes on in the minds of other people. You seem to have noticed enough craziness in both the subject and practice to NOT make such an over-generalized identification. And, yes, you and I both find some value in some of the data. But, I certainly do not, and never did, not even when in the Sea Org, consider myself "a Scientologist".
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Markus
Silver Meritorious Patron
In the free world people have "realizations" and "cognitions" like that without the need of auditing sessions. They get it by having the time and the freedom to think for themself or by having a good conversation with an old friend - all totally free - no need to pay for it, sign a slave staff contract and join a cult or the freezone
love
Markus
Veda
Sponsor
Scientolgy PRs have been attempting to disown Incident 2 of OT 3 for decades. It's an embarrassment. That's why paid cult apologist Gordon Melton came up with the "metaphor" angle for use on the "wogs."
The problem is that, per Scientology tech, literal exact "time, place, form, and event" (as described in your handwritten LRH materials) is what duplicates the "4th Dynamic engram" and as-ises the "charge."
Metaphors don't as-is.
Neither does bullshit by the way.
But I don't expect you to give up trying.
What else can you - and your associate - do?
As a test, stop anyone leaving the AOLA and ask, "Do you take the OT 3 story literally." If you can get past the dismissive smirk that will be displayed, I guarantee you that no one will say, "Yes." Lying About OT 3 to outsiders is a Scientology sacrament.
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Gottabrain
Guest
In the free world people have "realizations" and "cognitions" like that without the need of auditing sessions. They get it by having the time and the freedom to think for themself or by having a good conversation with an old friend - all totally free - no need to pay for it, sign a slave staff contract and join a cult or the freezone
love
Markus
Absolutely, Markus. I completely agree.
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
I have mixed feelings about this, Markus. On one hand, I truly enjoyed the realizations (aka cognitions) I got in auditing. I really did. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with pursuing a method that might induce such.
However, having said that, I've been doing a lot of non fiction reading of various things- not Scn. Things like Buddhism and shamanism. Been doing some meditating, too. I get insights with that, and in a way they're sort of like the cogs I got in Scn but there are some real differences there. In a lot of ways, it's not the same at all. Plus they just come to me and it seems like less, I don't know- pressure may be the wrong word- but it's less pushed, somehow.
I still value the time I spent as a church then an indie Scientologist and truly don't feel ALL of it was wasted (some was, though) but I'm really having fun with various thoughts and insights that are coming to me from my non Scn studies, too.
I think maybe some discipline is needed to pursue a spiritual path but Scn possibly (I'm NOT talking about the Church of Scientology) has too much of it.
However, having said that, I've been doing a lot of non fiction reading of various things- not Scn. Things like Buddhism and shamanism. Been doing some meditating, too. I get insights with that, and in a way they're sort of like the cogs I got in Scn but there are some real differences there. In a lot of ways, it's not the same at all. Plus they just come to me and it seems like less, I don't know- pressure may be the wrong word- but it's less pushed, somehow.
I still value the time I spent as a church then an indie Scientologist and truly don't feel ALL of it was wasted (some was, though) but I'm really having fun with various thoughts and insights that are coming to me from my non Scn studies, too.
I think maybe some discipline is needed to pursue a spiritual path but Scn possibly (I'm NOT talking about the Church of Scientology) has too much of it.