"The Mind's Protection"

[Telepathetic]

Unique,
Going back to the original question: "Why doesn't the "Minds Protection" also make confidential levels unneeded?"

When LRH wrote DMSMH he had no idea of what he (and others) were to find later. What he wrote then applied to what he had found in the mind at that time, namely locks, secondaries & engrams. But he had not found GPMs or "OT" phenomena yet, so this statement of his cannot be held up against later discoveries. These new findings are of a completely different level of force! And while GMPs may be in the "mind", OT phenomema are not - they are external!

Like if you build a small fence around your house to keep the neighborhood dogs from crapping on your lawn, you are not expecting it to also keep out any hostile invading army, are you?

Regards, Allen

Do you think LRH exaggerated the results promised in "Book One?"

If you're answer is no...then explain "Clear" per his definition in "Book One."

TP

 

[uniquemand]

I would obviously agree that discoveries later on the chain could create an impression of "different level of force", or perhaps be even more overwhelming to view. However, I still think the same mechanism would come to play. If you can't confront it, it isn't accessible. If you can, there's no danger in looking, other than the danger of introverting into that incident or goal set. However, if that happened, then it really would be accessible, and it's time to run it out. I actually think presenting people with dark or terrible fantasies for them to run out is far MORE of a violation than simply letting them read whatever they want, and do whatever they want. That's how we learn. People who try to stop other people from learning stand in the way of progress. They always claim to be the Lord's of the Temple. The people who guard the truth, which only they are pure enough to understand, while the great unwashed are incapable, weak-minded, ignorant and undeveloped wogs. It's called spiritual materialism. The belief that some state you have achieved is superior to the state of someone else. A dangerous disease, and one given numbers and then celebrated in scientology's "upper levels".

Don't take it personal, it isn't meant that way. I'm angry at the concept (perhaps a whole-track anger, who can say), not you, who is here, and communicating.

Unique,
Going back to the original question: "Why doesn't the "Minds Protection" also make confidential levels unneeded?"

When LRH wrote DMSMH he had no idea of what he (and others) were to find later. What he wrote then applied to what he had found in the mind at that time, namely locks, secondaries & engrams. But he had not found GPMs or "OT" phenomena yet, so this statement of his cannot be held up against later discoveries. These new findings are of a completely different level of force! And while GMPs may be in the "mind", OT phenomema are not - they are external!

Like if you build a small fence around your house to keep the neighborhood dogs from crapping on your lawn, you are not expecting it to also keep out any hostile invading army, are you?

Regards, Allen

I completely concur. My favorite exercise for that is to simply postulate another point of view on a scene, and the try to find a another one, from which I can agree with both of those viewpoints. It's good exercise. It metapsychology it's called flexibility.

 

[Veda]

Hubbard was just doing what the manual instructed...

http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg

From page 25 of the 1955 ["Russian"] 'Textbook on Psycho-Politics':

"...avoid the understanding of the layman..."

As described in the 'Brainwashing Manual':

"The cleverness of our attack in the field of psycho-politics [Scientology] is adequate to avoid the understanding of the layman [general public] or usual stupid official [Scientologist], and by operating entirely under the banner of authority, with the oft-repeated statement that the principles of psychotherapy [confidential 'upper levels', etc.] are too devious [complicated, confusing, and 'deadly' for the unprepared] for common understanding, an entire revolution can be effected [compliant Scientologists created] without the suspicion of the populace until it is an accomplished fact."

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=19183&postcount=1

 

[Zinjifar]

Ron was too much of a narcissist to be a good poker player. He *needed* for His targets to see and comprehend what He was doing to them.

Zinj

 

[Veda]

Hubbard would look someone in the eye and, then, mention something that the bad guys would do, then, himself (the ultimate good guy), the same day or soon thereafter, do exactly that to the same person.

Ron, the sadistic practical joker? who wanted to see how much he could "get away with"?

In any event, it befuddled many people, who knew their greatest friend, L. Ron Hubbard, would never do that. Some of these folks are still befuddled to this day.

Perhaps the most notable victim of this trickery was Captain Bill, who was "mind gamed" by Hubbard to the hilt, trusted Hubbard totally and never had a clue, then, later, described, in his briefings to his 'Ron's Orgs' followers, many of those same actions as being done by the "Marcabians" and "Xenu," etc. That Hubbard had done those things, and had others do them, and that Hubbard had done some of those things to him, completely eluded him. And Captain Bill wasn't stupid, yet, the poor fellow was completely lost inside the Hubbard snow globe desk paperweight.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=89015&postcount=33

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=73965&postcount=130

 

[Zinjifar]

Perhaps the most notable victim of this trickery was Captain Bill, who was "mind gamed" by Hubbard to the hilt,

*The* most signatory victim of Ron's con was Ron Himself. I don't doubt in the least that he fell prey to his own con. And, it destroyed Him.
Ron *did* believe Himself, despite all the knowledge of how it was a con. This is/was Scientology
Zinj

 

[Hatshepsut]

I DO believe the mind is it's own protective mechanism...but only to a point. And my personal reality is NOT "if you can't confront it, it won't be accessible." I have found otherwise. Onto the Scientology playing field have arrived the most capable games players....and a few have represented opposing extremes. All have tried to complete agendas. Some I would even consider to be robotically agenting for forces outside our dimension.
I had the unfortunate experience to run into a PTSness I could not cope with. My mind shattered into a thousand pieces. I became like "Sybil". I began to mock up viewpoints compulsively as I did not consider I could continue to survive. the freewheel. I am absolutely sure that if I had been C/Sed accurately to handle the ongoing revivication and conditioning for this arena I would've become stable again. All I got was misdirection and a lot of NOT-IS.. What I FOUND was that it was an OVERT act on my part to demand for someone to duplicate the 'conditioning' incident. The things that those outside our universe do to you to prime you for living inside are... well....we've taken a solemn oath NOT to remember it. And these things still happen in present time..even though its technically outside of it. There were 2 incidences where I awakened from sleep all beaten up. I mean physically and emotionally like Mike Tyson had slammed me around in the ring. My limbs felt literally broken.
We do not confront here anything that goes on in the fourth dimension that interlopes here . We block it out. We do not perceive it. Our mind protects our havingness and safe beingness. That is a postulate that properties contained within one mind 'shell' remain whole and integral to that universe.
The mind is a very functional protective mechanism that denies entry from those old closed out areas that would unmock the 'safe' solution that it now rests in. But it is not inviolate. It can be overwhelmed when when the same antagonists appear.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

So how could the mind be damaged? - I'm thinking of misunderstoods.. Chrashing ones.. False data.. Something we think we know, but ain't so..

Hmm.. False data could 'live' in concepts that can't be verified! Things that can't be proven or checked out impirically..

This is usually 'handled' by a sound mind by skeptism and doubt.. We can 'think' with it while being aware that it's not really known.. It's a maybe so..

Hubbard worked hard on making us understand that skeptism and doubt was wrong..

Well?

Fooling yourself into knowing unknowables is a trap!

 

[Hatshepsut]

So how could the mind be damaged? - I'm thinking of misunderstoods.. Chrashing ones.. False data.. Something we think we know, but ain't so

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So how can the mind be damaged? The mind is not a STATIC. It is a servo-mechanism. It has funtionality and purpose to run something for you. If you give it what it absolutely cannot have.... something that is anathema to its very purpose...you could render it inefficient or extinct. The person cannot operate on that basic purpose..its become a GPM. He can abandon it (black mass) and create a new similar modified goal.
If a person per se came into this universe with a 'code' to help mankind and was implanted with a goal to drop hydrogen bombs on populations I'd say he'd go into an inactive state as a being quite abruptly. That operable mind would be all trapped up. If you created a self to GO IN as an 'angelic warrior' to battle Satan at Meggido and ended up engulfed by the Dark Forces instead, ( think Luke Skywalker) your self-hatred from betraying your own basic purposes would cause you to place all kinds of restrictions on yourself. You probably couldn't BE, DO, or HAVE much after that.
The biggest revelation I have had is that in times when my mind could not absorb the charge and it went on too long I modified myself. I changed.. going so far as to ADD other beings to myself. Creating a composite beingness... for which the past charge was not a total right item any more. . Smart huh? But if this was an enforced engramic adding of entities to self under much duress and it reactivated upon trying to go back to a singular self I would consider it damaging.

 

[Telepathetic]

So how could the mind be damaged? - I'm thinking of misunderstoods.. Chrashing ones.. False data.. Something we think we know, but ain't so..

Hmm.. False data could 'live' in concepts that can't be verified! Things that can't be proven or checked out impirically..

This is usually 'handled' by a sound mind by skeptism and doubt.. We can 'think' with it while being aware that it's not really known.. It's a maybe so..

Hubbard worked hard on making us understand that skeptism and doubt was wrong..

Well?

Fooling yourself into knowing unknowables is a trap!

You make a very good point.

I know I fooled myself while I was in. I had the same type of blind faith in Scientology that I criticized and denigrated others for having, in their own belief system. I could never face this fact though while I was still involved. It took me a couple of years to undo the mind-f @#k...well actually, I'm still working on it


TP

 

[ULRC/S]

Telepathic,
You asked:

>>Do you think LRH exaggerated the results promised in "Book One?"

That would be my opinion, and I believe this forum has far too much opinion and far too few facts that I don't intend adding to to the opinion noise.

>>If you're answer is no...then explain "Clear" per his definition in "Book One."<<

N/A

Regards, Allen