uniquemand
Unbeliever
I love the flying squirrel pic! Awesome.
The "squirrel" label
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Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Nah. I remember comm eving some public person for squirreling in the late 70s. He had copied the Study Tapes, and was doing some kind of self-originated "sleep learning", playing them back two words at a time. He got the book thrown at him.
Paul
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Comm Evs are such pretentious affairs.
Wouldn't it be far simpler, and more efficient, to just call an idiot an idiot?
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Trying to be right with scientology
(Pardon me if I ramble...)
Of course. Wrong indication. But more importantly, and objectively verifiable, the label is just an outright lie.
How much effort have you or I or any techie put into doing the best for our pc's making the best of "standard tech"?
I was auditing a fellow once and the list correction read on "gone past Dianetic Clear." He said, "I don't really understand the question because I never understood clear in DMSMH. So I grabbed the book, had him look at the definition. Then I reassessed the question.
To that he says, "Maybe."
So I packed up the session. Shipped the pc and his folder off to ASHO.
DCSI completed, I get the folder back.
Scribbled in huge letters all the way across the page, the C/S writes, "GROSS OUT-TECH!" Then in smaller letters, "Showed the pc the definition of Clear in Dianetics!"
That was my first encounter with an idiot C/S. Had he or she been close enough to reach out and touch I would have verbally slapped the shit out of them.
That C/S had a senior C/S above them and they each had to put on a show, even if pretentious, I am certain. Did you ever notice how unflat Grade 4 can be on many scientologists, particularly staff who are under constant pressure?
The labels people use aren't simply labels. They are acting with determination to make themselves right, and others wrong, to dominate and escape domination, etc. It particularly hurts when the person speaks from some authority whether assigned or assumed.
I speak personally now, but acting so as to avoid the SP label (squirrel) is in a way an attempt to be right, to escape domination, to survive as a techie, and ultimately to be recognized as a good person. Because, being declared is one notch above total domination in the game of scientology.
So we make a conscious effort to escape that potential domination and be right with the tech. That often means being agreeable among ourselves and seniors about what is standard and what is not.
Have you ever watched an internet discussion on Standard Tech? It can go into righteous domination mode pretty fast as if "my standard tech" is the better one.
Back to that serfac thing, "Gee Ron, what do you use to make yourself right?"
"Standard Tech!" BD F/N So you put "Standard Tech" in brackets, run it, and the actual serfac will come pouring out with lots of smaller serfacs and TA.
"Ron, What do you use to dominate others?"
"Label them a squirrel!" BD F/N. Bracket that, the actual serfac eventually comes out.
Anyway, you get the idea. At this stage of the game, ain't no big deal, it don't mean nuthin'.
(Pardon me if I ramble...)
Of course. Wrong indication. But more importantly, and objectively verifiable, the label is just an outright lie.
How much effort have you or I or any techie put into doing the best for our pc's making the best of "standard tech"?
I was auditing a fellow once and the list correction read on "gone past Dianetic Clear." He said, "I don't really understand the question because I never understood clear in DMSMH. So I grabbed the book, had him look at the definition. Then I reassessed the question.
To that he says, "Maybe."
So I packed up the session. Shipped the pc and his folder off to ASHO.
DCSI completed, I get the folder back.
Scribbled in huge letters all the way across the page, the C/S writes, "GROSS OUT-TECH!" Then in smaller letters, "Showed the pc the definition of Clear in Dianetics!"
That was my first encounter with an idiot C/S. Had he or she been close enough to reach out and touch I would have verbally slapped the shit out of them.
That C/S had a senior C/S above them and they each had to put on a show, even if pretentious, I am certain. Did you ever notice how unflat Grade 4 can be on many scientologists, particularly staff who are under constant pressure?
The labels people use aren't simply labels. They are acting with determination to make themselves right, and others wrong, to dominate and escape domination, etc. It particularly hurts when the person speaks from some authority whether assigned or assumed.
I speak personally now, but acting so as to avoid the SP label (squirrel) is in a way an attempt to be right, to escape domination, to survive as a techie, and ultimately to be recognized as a good person. Because, being declared is one notch above total domination in the game of scientology.
So we make a conscious effort to escape that potential domination and be right with the tech. That often means being agreeable among ourselves and seniors about what is standard and what is not.
Have you ever watched an internet discussion on Standard Tech? It can go into righteous domination mode pretty fast as if "my standard tech" is the better one.
Back to that serfac thing, "Gee Ron, what do you use to make yourself right?"
"Standard Tech!" BD F/N So you put "Standard Tech" in brackets, run it, and the actual serfac will come pouring out with lots of smaller serfacs and TA.
"Ron, What do you use to dominate others?"
"Label them a squirrel!" BD F/N. Bracket that, the actual serfac eventually comes out.
Anyway, you get the idea. At this stage of the game, ain't no big deal, it don't mean nuthin'.
ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn
Crusader
I love that picture too, this one is pretty good too
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...uirrel-is-surprise-star-of-holiday-photo.html
Too bad he didn't have an Anonymous Mask on when he jumped in front of the camera
Blue Spirit
Silver Meritorious Patron
Tech On SP's
Carmel, LRH says in the SP Tech that SP's accuse others
of doing the exact thing that they are doing.
So we know who the real Squirrels are.
They did it to David Mayo to bring him down while
Ray Mitoff and DM were looking for their initial ways to
squirrel the tech themselves.
Of course you know this better than me, so I'm preaching to the choir.
Carmel, LRH says in the SP Tech that SP's accuse others
of doing the exact thing that they are doing.
So we know who the real Squirrels are.
They did it to David Mayo to bring him down while
Ray Mitoff and DM were looking for their initial ways to
squirrel the tech themselves.
Of course you know this better than me, so I'm preaching to the choir.
Carmel..please continue giggling. This pot-kettle-black thing is exactly what caused me to start looking at management. When I observed all the gross squirrel admin and tech going on in my local org where I was on staff..and no one seemed to give a damn despite report after report..well, I just refused to loan my support to the org...left and told them that I had thought I was joining a SCIENTOLOGY group..when it was obvious that little actual Scientology was being applied. Personal Integrity and all that. And what was interesting is that all of the senior execs who were, by the way, also OTVllls, didn't even argue the point! Very interesting...of course, none of the execs were even trained so they really wouldn't know what policy was or wasn't.(Miscavage's true intention behind putting OTVllls as EDs and senior execs at orgs..no one will argue over minor details like something being "off policy"..how would they know?)
At any rate, I understand, being a tech person myself, how strongly that squirrel label could affect you. It's a wrong indication...hey, look at it this way, you must be really creating an effect out here in wogville for them to even keep trying to discredit you! Well friggin done!
Terril park
Sponsor
Hey Carmel,
From KSW 1...." The service facs of people make them defend themselves against anything they confront, good or bad, and seek to make it wrong."
From KSW 1...." The service facs of people make them defend themselves against anything they confront, good or bad, and seek to make it wrong."
justaguy
Patron Meritorious
I was talking to one of my old mates yesterday, about the label of "squirrel".
Recently, several people have been told that I am a squirrel, and that I have a squirrel group. For whatever reason, my reaction to that was worse than what it was, when I heard other stuff about myself that was far more 'detrimental'. "Why?" I thought. Looking at my reaction, I thought, "Wtf is going on here?".
I am very fond of a couple of "squirrels" on the board here (not that I have ever thought about them in those terms
As my mate said, for us exes, that term is/was 'loaded'. It's kinda like you'd be better off being a mass murderer than a "squirrel".
I recall being comm ev'd once for "squirreling". Crikey, I found it soul destroying at the time to be thought of as a squirrel....it was 'so' offensive. I would have rather been charged with being an SP than a squirrel.
I'm looking at it today, and I'm still not sure why I took some concept of "squirrel" on board the way I did, in the first place, but clearly I did. It's been making me feel more than slightly ill, thinking that my old mates still 'in' would consider me a squirrel.
It's not a wonder the CofS is saying that about me now. The other stuff didn't work on my old mates still 'in'. Considering that they know I was a devout techie, then it's probably the best slander that the CofS could use with scios to try and 'dead agent' me, or dead agent any techie type who has now departed from the ranks.
At least now I can 'see' it and am tending to giggle about it rather than cry about it, but the fact that the concept of "squirrel" and the feelings associated with it, snuck in on me when I wasn't looking, and have been hanging around all this time, is interesting.
Whatever! It's concept and use, are as sneaky as, to say the least.
A few ideas. Take 'em or leave 'em.
An SP is an enemy. LRH could have enemies and still be in control of his followers.
A "squirrel", though, is an attempt to "defile" the tech, to make it something not LRH. It is to make oneself as much of an authority as LRH himself.
That's simply not acceptable to a totalitarian cult-founder.
A "squirrel", even more than an SP, ruins the dream. It pretends to be LRH tech but isn't, leads people from the true path. As only LRH tech can save you, they're even worse than SPs, in a way.
Also, my feeling is that SPs were to be treated almost with pity, and hatred. Squirrels just with hatred.
I'd trace it back to the obsession LRH had with being right about stuff.
Without knowing the details, I'd say the culture founded and based on the man would reflect his priorities and sensibilities to a degree, and you happened to take in his opinion of squirrels via osmosis or whatever is most appropriate in a cult. 'Course once you realized it it dropped like a sack of hot potatoes.
Like I said, just my thoughts.
That reminds me of something brought up by William Burroughs in 'Naked Lunch' in the reeducation camp run by Dr. Benway.
According to Benway, political prisoners are different than criminal prisoners in that the 'Criminal' accepts the social order, but merely attempts to circumvent some of its rules, while the 'political' offender rejects the basic authority of the state.
It's a useful concept in many circumstances, but, nowhere as much as in a totalitarian system, which is what Scientology is.
Zinj
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
That's very good, Zinj. Thanks. That is exactly the idea one gets in the SO at least, probably any serious Scientologist, that Scn trumps any mere non-Scn laws of the land, and in cases of conflict although one might be subject to the worldly variety (if caught) they don't really hold any true legitimacy.
Paul
ChronicEnturbulator
Patron with Honors
Actually you got this datum backwords. He NEEDED enemies to be in control of his followers: psyches, SPs, squirrels. Even if they didn't exist, he would've had to have invented them, as he did with the psyches and so-called "SPs". The "squirrels" were just people who got in way of his money-making asperations...
Mystic
Crusader
Oh I love these LRH statements where he seems to be somewhat human and maybe even have a bit of heart. Don't worry, it's just word-spew to put up that illusion.
Whew. What a Master Lier.
Mystic
Crusader
The service facs of L. Ron Hubbard make him defend himself against anything.
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Terril park
Sponsor
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
It's self evident, Terril, when Hubbard wrote about others' cases he was mostly telling us about his own.
Some people wonder about all these oddball things he came up with (psych-phobia fragrance-intolerance, pneumonia-prone, aversion to sex and pain, etc) I see them as his "explanations" for various things that were wrong with him. By assigning them to other HUMONGOUS WHOLETRACK CAUSE it sort of excuses him for being effect of these things.
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
Winston Smith
Flunked Scientology
So off on a tangent here, us Tea Party types who see the USA crumbling had better get ready for the camps? Or may we still vote?