The State of Clear

[DagwoodGum]

Let's face it, if most of us went back to the point of entry to the Scientological universe and caught a glimpse of all associative costs as balanced against all lasting case gain, while factoring in how it short circuited our would be lives, we would have headed for the hills or the moon rather than taking one step on the path called Scientology. One can try to soften the blow of the ultlmate negative impact by saying "but sometimes it made me feel so good", well, was that worth what you sacrificed?

 

[Terril park]

I will say this about that in red above:

I was auditing a fella one time, just completed Grade 0 although by my objective estimation and silent evaluation on actual communication ability, he just didn't have it. We get into Grade 1 processes. I start the session, ask an easy question. The room went black. I had to look up to see if the lights were out. It was as if someone had reached in the room to flick the light switch off. By the pc's response to the question, and by my own certainty that I had nothing going on beside sitting there auditing, I am certain something happened. Along with that observation, there was absolutely no meter response out of the ordinary--no read, no blowdown, no R/S, no dirt. Pc just didn't like the process. I continued the session without interruption.

Some of us who have spent a lot of hours in the chair can attest to having observed unexplained or undocumented phenomena. Typically, the auditor and pc just keep on keeping on to the end of the process or rundown.

A very long time non scientologist friend, an old fart like me fell in love, With a georgeus much younger girl.

He then found that colours were much brighter, or he could actually see them now, forgotton which.

Seems the mind can change a universe.

 

[Panda Termint]

Let's face it, if most of us went back to the point of entry to the Scientological universe and caught a glimpse of all associative costs as balanced against all lasting case gain, while factoring in how it short circuited our would be lives, we would have headed for the hills or the moon rather than taking one step on the path called Scientology. One can try to soften the blow of the ultlmate negative impact by saying "but sometimes it made me feel so good", well, was that worth what you sacrificed?

True, I don't regret having done it but if I had to do it all over again... I wouldn't.

 

[Ted]

A very long time non scientologist friend, an old fart like me fell in love, With a georgeus much younger girl.

He then found that colours were much brighter, or he could actually see them now, forgotton which.

Seems the mind can change a universe.

Love can do that.

 

[Winston Smith]

I just now had an interesting thought. At least Winnie thinks it is interesting. Is there a "state of queer" in Scientology?

 

[Panda Termint]

I just now had an interesting thought. At least Winnie thinks it is interesting. Is there a "state of queer" in Scientology?

Yes, Japanese PCs sometimes give speeches where they talk about "going Queer".

 

[Winston Smith]

True, I don't regret having done it but if I had to do it all over again... I wouldn't.

I do regret having done it. Even though I escaped much earlier than most, one benefit to never having been in would be no incessant rehashing anything and everything Scientological on this forum. For me now, I just wanna have fun.

 

[DagwoodGum]

True, I don't regret having done it but if I had to do it all over again... I wouldn't.

Yes, same here.

 

[DagwoodGum]

I do regret having done it. Even though I escaped much earlier than most, one benefit to never having been in would be no incessant rehashing anything and everything Scientological on this forum. For me now, I just wanna have fun.

I just don't want to add more pain to the pile by adding regret. I could easily, but I have far too much that I could regret in my life....

 

[DagwoodGum]

But I am not sure I could fit into the dress.

I don't sense that you would have any interest in fitting into it. Dude, party hardy, but not too hardy. I'm having some liver back flips from my party hardy days that I don't wish on you or anyone...

 

[DagwoodGum]

I just now had an interesting thought. At least Winnie thinks it is interesting. Is there a "state of queer" in Scientology?

I think many SO members were titilated about their floggings while on the RPF. I don't know if it constitutes an official state of beingness but it certainly fits my definition of S & M.... I wonder if the public could hear the orgasmic floggings underway down in the hull of the ship??!!?? If ripped rectums could talk....

 

[apocalyptic]

Let's face it, if most of us went back to the point of entry to the Scientological universe and caught a glimpse of all associative costs as balanced against all lasting case gain, while factoring in how it short circuited our would be lives, we would have headed for the hills or the moon rather than taking one step on the path called Scientology. One can try to soften the blow of the ultlmate negative impact by saying "but sometimes it made me feel so good", well, was that worth what you sacrificed?

Well written. Succinct. Nice.

The answer to your question, for us, is, Yes.

Apocalyptic

how does one gain wisdom (asked the young seeker of spiritual reality) amidst the kaleidoscope of manifest form? By becoming stupid first, said the master.

 

[Winston Smith]

I just don't want to add more pain to the pile by adding regret. I could easily, but I have far too much that I could regret in my life....

Hey I don't suffer. I don't dwell on it LOL.

 

[degraded being]

I just now had an interesting thought. At least Winnie thinks it is interesting. Is there a "state of queer" in Scientology?

There was when I was there.

 

[Winston Smith]

I think many SO members were titilated about their floggings while on the RPF. I don't know if it constitutes an official state of beingness but it certainly fits my definition of S & M.... I wonder if the public could hear the orgasmic floggings underway down in the hull of the ship??!!?? If ripped rectums could talk....

And this on LRH's ship?

If so, yes he was a study in contradictions.

 

[Leon]

Let's face it, if most of us went back to the point of entry to the Scientological universe and caught a glimpse of all associative costs as balanced against all lasting case gain, while factoring in how it short circuited our would be lives, we would have headed for the hills or the moon rather than taking one step on the path called Scientology. One can try to soften the blow of the ultlmate negative impact by saying "but sometimes it made me feel so good", well, was that worth what you sacrificed?

But then every now and again - very few and far between though - you come across someone who reckons Yep, I got a hell of a lot out of that trip and, given the same or similar circumstances, would gladly do it all again. Gladly. And I'd do it much better than the first time too.

 

[DagwoodGum]

But then every now and again - very few and far between though - you come across someone who reckons Yep, I got a hell of a lot out of that trip and, given the same or similar circumstances, would gladly do it all again. Gladly. And I'd do it much better than the first time too.

That's good. I wish I were more the half full than the half empty kind of guy too, like I was in my youth.

 

[DagwoodGum]

And this on LRH's ship?

If so, yes he was a study in contradictions.

I was never on the ships let alone down in the hull on an RPF. It's just the impression of depravity and the impression is reminiscent of medieval dungeons and gruesome tortures, all in the name of religion that I've gleaned from the posts of those who were subjected to the degradation. Hard to believe that I once believed...and what my course money subsidized.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

I will say this about that in red above:

I was auditing a fella one time, just completed Grade 0 although by my objective estimation and silent evaluation on actual communication ability, he just didn't have it. We get into Grade 1 processes. I start the session, ask an easy question. The room went black. I had to look up to see if the lights were out. It was as if someone had reached in the room to flick the light switch off. By the pc's response to the question, and by my own certainty that I had nothing going on beside sitting there auditing, I am certain something happened. Along with that observation, there was absolutely no meter response out of the ordinary--no read, no blowdown, no R/S, no dirt. Pc just didn't like the process. I continued the session without interruption.

Some of us who have spent a lot of hours in the chair can attest to having observed unexplained or undocumented phenomena. Typically, the auditor and pc just keep on keeping on to the end of the process or rundown.

I would entirely agree with you that a PC can create something their auditor sees, as can a wife for her husband, a child for a parent or a friend for a friend.

All that is absolutely true. One can create something another sees !

In regards to scientology alleged "state of clear" ( of which they claim, what some 50,000 have attested to that ?) the point I am trying to make is the way one knows someone is "clear" is they have to TELL you they are "clear".

Given a room full of people how does one pick the clears?
( No, not by their braclets!)

Really, reading the Heinz 57 definitions this "state of clear" is , among human beings, rather remarkable is it not ?

How come it does not stand out in an unmistakable way to all others?

How can it be that this highly impressive "state of beingness" boils down to, like beauty, " being in the eye of the beholder"?

That strike you , uh, way odd ? ( Odd, my ass... it is BOGUS ! ).

So, I'm back to the slug on CCHs that had for a "cognition" that " The room seems brighter ".

Yeah, I'm gonna take it. Yeah. I'm going to end the process and call it an EP.
I didn't "see" nothing change. Neither did anybody else in the room. And, I'll bet by any known measuring devices on earth, the room did not get any brighter when the PC said " The seems brighter"

And I submit exactly the same way the PC says " I feel clear" or " I seem clear " and that becomes " I am clear ".

And folks, on that level, "clear" exists.... and it is clearly a delusional state.

 

[guanoloco]

It always killed me how absurdly Scientologists "understood" the concept of "theta".

Static = nothing; no energy, no time, no space, no beingness, no significance

Theta = the nothingness behind the everything

Theta = The Unmanifest

Theta = The Void

Theta = Pure Potential Spirit, faceless, nameless

"Theta", correctly understood, would possess NO quality or quantity, but contain the potential for ALL qualities and quantities (good OR bad).

So, this constant additive of "theta" as being so "clean", "nice", "high in ARC", and other assorted nonsense just amazed me. It seemed to me that most Scientologists were incapable of understanding "basic Hubbard".

Though, I suppose Hubbard sure did throw in a great deal of added nonsense. Such as a "theta universe". Duh! "Theta" is pure potential creativity, beyond ANYTHING, a complete "zero", that manfiest in or as ANY "universe". The notion of a "theta universe" is absurd. "Theta" CREATES any universe.

Now, maybe Hubbard never meant "theta" as I chose to grasp it. :confused2:

I just had a moderate realization that it was large I, myself, who "read into Hubbard's nonsense" whatever "sense" it appeared to have for me. Without my own interpretations, judgments and evaluations, based on OTHER STUDIES & eastern philosophy, Scientology would have been quite unintelligible.

WOW! Gadfly, that's very theta!