CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
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actually, i think we were talking about the attributes of Clears versus pre Clears. I don't see it as a derailment.
The State of Clear
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actually, i think we were talking about the attributes of Clears versus pre Clears. I don't see it as a derailment.
Gadfly
Crusader
Yes, and in Scientology there is held by any dedicated Scientology member a very specific and unique viewpoint, that is largely based on adopting and agreeing with Hubbard's paradigm, and which is also VERY judgmental about a great many things.
He is "clear", he is not "clear . . .
He is a DB, he is not a DB . . .
He is critical, he is not critical . . .
He is a nasty SP, he is an "upstat" . . .
He is "ethical", he is out-ethics . . . .
He is a "good producer", he is non-productive . . .
He is an evil psych, he is a GOOD Scientologist . . . .
The nasty "press" . . . .
The "merchants of chaos" . . .
The decent and wonderful Scientologist . . .
on and on and on . . . .
A person's "viewpoint" very much determines his or her "judgments", for everybody about everything, and quite uniquely for the card-carrying over-indoctrinated Scientologist.
DagwoodGum
Squirreling Dervish
Yes, if one were allowed to have a viewpoint, one might leave and it would have nothing to do with the con job overt motivator sequence crap that would make you guilty of something if you left.Yes, and in Scientology there is held by any dedicated Scientology member a very specific and unique viewpoint, that is largely based on adopting and agreeing with Hubbard's paradigm, and which is also VERY judgmental about a great many things.
He is "clear", he is not "clear . . .
He is a DB, he is not a DB . . .
He is critical, he is not critical . . .
He is a nasty SP, he is an "upstat" . . .
He is "ethical", he is out-ethics . . . .
He is a "good producer", he is non-productive . . .
He is an evil psych, he is a GOOD Scientologist . . . .
The nasty "press" . . . .
The "merchants of chaos" . . .
The decent and wonderful Scientologist . . .
on and on and on . . . .
A person's "viewpoint" very much determines his or her "judgments", for everybody about everything, and quite uniquely for the card-carrying over-indoctrinated Scientologist.
What a huge jump in “how to make a clear” to go from looking for basic-basic to little mental exercises where one spans as many personality trait dichotomies as possible to give someone an exterior perspective on their thought process dynamics. One of his plagiarized cohorts from the early days must have come up with it and it became the leading candidate as the new, latest great process that would create a clear. Quite pathetic really… And these are the dippy little mind exercises that we bought into thinking would set us free from millions of years of entrapment. Hubbard was such an effing douche bag, my gawd!!!
DagwoodGum
Squirreling Dervish
We were in line going through customs in St. Maarten in April of 2011 and I turn around and it's Justin Hayward of the Moody Blues and his wife right behind us, we talked for about 20 minutes, the nicest people really. He said they stayed right next to us, they were at the Belair and we were at Divi Little Beach. The reason I mention it, other than as a huge fan it was one of the highlights of all my life's travels, is that their mellotron created much of the sound for Sergeant Peppers as Mike Pinder helped them acquire two.
Veda
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Material in each link is incomplete, but at least, for anyone who thinks that the Clearing Course is simply about dichotomies, which is the impression one might have by reading certain airbrushed versions of the Clearing Course on the Net, it provides a little bit of an idea of the added significance, placed there by Hubbard the hypnotist. Since this material is incomplete anyway, recommend just looking over the indicated portions to save time.
Start with the 11th paragraph down, or at the last paragraph above "Example, GPM on Catfish":
http://www.freezoneearth.org/Prometheus04/clearCourse/ccpack/filbert_cc.htm
The Clearing Course is mainly about the Clearing Course implants.
"Many people experince unreality at the start of [implant] GPM running; this leaves when you see the meter reads."
Below is a video of a mechanical voice reading an incomplete version of the Clearing Course booklet. Skip to 6:22:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HMx3mRjRN8
Mixed in with the significance, warnings, etc., are the dichotomies.
Since most people these days haven't done the Clearing Course, but instead rolled off the Scientology assembly line as Dianetic Clears, this is not as important as it once was, although OT 2, if Hubbard had described it as Clearing Course part 2, when it was released in 1966, would have found most Scientologists with their heads nodding agreeably. They are very similar.
Hubbard's explanation of the relationship of the Clearing Course, OT 2, and OT 3 changed after he "took the plunge" into the "Wall of Fire." Hubbard kept changing his story and Scientologists, for the most part, kept having "VGIs" about it, all the way up to Hubbard, in 1979, announcing "Dianetic Clear" - more "VGIs."
It took me until 1979 to notice the hypnotic influence of Hubbard over most Scientologists, and then a few more years, after being "off lines," to fully confront it.
Start with the 11th paragraph down, or at the last paragraph above "Example, GPM on Catfish":
http://www.freezoneearth.org/Prometheus04/clearCourse/ccpack/filbert_cc.htm
The Clearing Course is mainly about the Clearing Course implants.
"Many people experince unreality at the start of [implant] GPM running; this leaves when you see the meter reads."
Below is a video of a mechanical voice reading an incomplete version of the Clearing Course booklet. Skip to 6:22:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HMx3mRjRN8
Mixed in with the significance, warnings, etc., are the dichotomies.
Since most people these days haven't done the Clearing Course, but instead rolled off the Scientology assembly line as Dianetic Clears, this is not as important as it once was, although OT 2, if Hubbard had described it as Clearing Course part 2, when it was released in 1966, would have found most Scientologists with their heads nodding agreeably. They are very similar.
Hubbard's explanation of the relationship of the Clearing Course, OT 2, and OT 3 changed after he "took the plunge" into the "Wall of Fire." Hubbard kept changing his story and Scientologists, for the most part, kept having "VGIs" about it, all the way up to Hubbard, in 1979, announcing "Dianetic Clear" - more "VGIs."
It took me until 1979 to notice the hypnotic influence of Hubbard over most Scientologists, and then a few more years, after being "off lines," to fully confront it.
lotus
stubborn rebel sheep!
To me scamology failed to acheive the state of clear
State of clear
is the state of true nature cleared
ready for futher implanting (Rondroide) and given new program
a custom tailor time track once designed by LRH (Xenum pseudo-adventures)
that you will be given the ''chance'' to discover
It is called - auditing
When given to group of person it's funny
you get similar droides
But it failed
As when slaves give up - leave - escape
they succed to recover their true nature and
remember what true real life is about
So - clear has not proven to be reached from the mass of scamologists
But within a few years we would see the INT base acheive the state of clear
cleared of any Sea Org
State of clear
is the state of true nature cleared
ready for futher implanting (Rondroide) and given new program
a custom tailor time track once designed by LRH (Xenum pseudo-adventures)
that you will be given the ''chance'' to discover
It is called - auditing
When given to group of person it's funny
you get similar droides
But it failed
As when slaves give up - leave - escape
they succed to recover their true nature and
remember what true real life is about
So - clear has not proven to be reached from the mass of scamologists
But within a few years we would see the INT base acheive the state of clear
cleared of any Sea Org
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Auditor's Toad
Clear as Mud
The Foolishness of believing Clear Exists except as a Fairytale like the Tooth Fairy
I no longer hold with the scientological definition of a viewpoint. I have gone back to what I consider a more honest of viewpoint and that is from where one views.
If I look out my patio door from the couch then that particular viewpoint is from the couch out the patio door.
What I think about what I see out the door or what I think about what I see or what I feel about what I see or what I've been told to think about what I see.....yo me, all that ain't viewpoint.
So when people start getting over into a "viewpoint" as somehow being a judgement I really start getting mired in the mindfuck of that insanity.....so glad [WIKI][/WIKI]me and the cult parted ways and parted ways on beliefs, too.
I no longer hold with the scientological definition of a viewpoint. I have gone back to what I consider a more honest of viewpoint and that is from where one views.
If I look out my patio door from the couch then that particular viewpoint is from the couch out the patio door.
What I think about what I see out the door or what I think about what I see or what I feel about what I see or what I've been told to think about what I see.....yo me, all that ain't viewpoint.
So when people start getting over into a "viewpoint" as somehow being a judgement I really start getting mired in the mindfuck of that insanity.....so glad [WIKI][/WIKI]me and the cult parted ways and parted ways on beliefs, too.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
"I can't help but mix my life with that of the universe. Life is a peephole, a single tiny entry into a vastness - how can I not dwell on this brief, cramped view I have of things? This peephole is all I've got!"
(Life of Pi - Yann Martel)
(Life of Pi - Yann Martel)
DagwoodGum
Squirreling Dervish
These GPM's sound like more of the same that I read in History of Man. Is that true? I'd check on that myself but I no longer own any $CN books.
DagwoodGum
Squirreling Dervish
I like this quote as it sums up what pains me with regard to what I'm blocked from knowing about the very universe that has swallowed me whole. It's like being in a whale's belly wondering what swallowed you and when you'll be shit out...
Re: The Foolishness of believing Clear Exists except as a Fairytale like the Tooth Fa
viewpoint [ˈvjuːˌpɔɪnt]
n
1. the mental attitude that determines a person's opinions or judgments; point of view
2. a place from which something can be viewed
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
Noun 1. viewpoint - a mental position from which things are viewed; "we should consider this problem from the viewpoint of the Russians"; "teaching history gave him a special point of view toward current events"
point of view, standpoint, stand
stance, posture, position - a rationalized mental attitude
cityscape - a viewpoint toward a city or other heavily populated area; "the dominant character of the cityscape is it poverty"
landscape - an extensive mental viewpoint; "the political landscape looks bleak without a change of administration"; "we changed the landscape for solving the problem of payroll inequity"
slant, angle - a biased way of looking at or presenting something
complexion - a point of view or general attitude or inclination; "he altered the complexion of his times"; "a liberal political complexion"
2. viewpointviewpoint - a place from which something can be viewed; "from that vantage point he could survey the whole valley"
vantage point
vantage - place or situation affording some advantage (especially a comprehensive view or commanding perspective)
It aint Scientology. It are English
viewpoint [ˈvjuːˌpɔɪnt]
n
1. the mental attitude that determines a person's opinions or judgments; point of view
2. a place from which something can be viewed
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
Noun 1. viewpoint - a mental position from which things are viewed; "we should consider this problem from the viewpoint of the Russians"; "teaching history gave him a special point of view toward current events"
point of view, standpoint, stand
stance, posture, position - a rationalized mental attitude
cityscape - a viewpoint toward a city or other heavily populated area; "the dominant character of the cityscape is it poverty"
landscape - an extensive mental viewpoint; "the political landscape looks bleak without a change of administration"; "we changed the landscape for solving the problem of payroll inequity"
slant, angle - a biased way of looking at or presenting something
complexion - a point of view or general attitude or inclination; "he altered the complexion of his times"; "a liberal political complexion"
2. viewpointviewpoint - a place from which something can be viewed; "from that vantage point he could survey the whole valley"
vantage point
vantage - place or situation affording some advantage (especially a comprehensive view or commanding perspective)
It aint Scientology. It are English
Veda
Sponsor
I'm not inclined to go searching for the actual compete Clearing Course materials, but OT 2 is similar. Here's a sampling of a typical implant description from OT 2:
"The first (earliest) bit of the bank is not an item but a light. It appears to the left front of the face, some distance away (Look ahead and to the left a bit and you'll spot it.)
"It is the source of unconsciousness and produces it when contacted. There is a light before each run...
"When you spot a light or object or combination of objects, you should get a read on the needle.
"You repeat verbal items aloud...
"The objects - hollow and solid...
"The objects appear about an arms length away...
"They move...
"Explosion...
"Never proceed past a non-reading item. To do so can be very deadly..."
....
"Many persons experience unreality at the start of [implant] GPM running; this leaves when you see the meter reads."
....
"They are implant incidents...
"Trillion, 20,095.
"Hot Cold.
"This is a pole with a split in it. The back split is hot, the front is cold. Two temperatures. Duration is 1 [and] 1/8th seconds...
"Dance Mob.
"Trillions, 18,992.
"This duration is 7/8 of a second. There is a pole that pulls one in. One is caught in the pole."
And a little more:
"230 trillions.
"This seeks to install...
"Implanter X... Target X," etc. [Shows diagram of implant], etc.
This material is presented as being very important, and vital to your survival. It is material that you could never have discovered on your own - even through auditing - and had to be told to you by RON.
DagwoodGum
Squirreling Dervish
Re: The Foolishness of believing Clear Exists except as a Fairytale like the Tooth Fa
What it still get's down to is what did the originator of the communication mean in HIS use of the word. It's not at all about what some dictionary version that he has never even read says the word means. Words mean nothing at all other than what the collective agreement says the word means. "In the beginning was the word", beginning of what? Aberration? Words only mean what you mean they mean, and nothing more, nothing less. I'm just saying that $CN is far too anal about words... In Spanish a word will have an entirely different meaning depending on what Spanish speaking country you're in, how does one "word clear" all of that?
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DagwoodGum
Squirreling Dervish
Thanks, I wasn't meaning to ask so much work from you as you provided. I would have saved some of my $cilon library if I'd conceived that one day I would be looking back on it all with a combination of curiousity and something, I don't know what... It would seem the the implants all follow similar dichotemy themes or at least blocked intentions as in GPM's. All quite interesting as I found History of Man 30 years ago. I'm not saying that any of these incidents are real but at least they are creatively conceived of and give an insight into Elron's thought processes.
degraded being
Sponsor
Pure hypnosis:
I love this bit: ""Many persons experience unreality at the start of [implant] GPM running; this leaves when you see the meter reads."
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
The meter phenomena on OT2 is kinda interesting. Most who've done it would probably agree on that point. Maybe.
HelluvaHoax!
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Oh! Really? You guys used a meter on OT II?
Damn!
I thought we were supposed to make up the reads, keeping in the spirit of how Ron scientifically researched the material.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
LOL, if you "made up" the reads on OT2 you probably either didn't really do it or didn't need to do it. Wait a minute... *need*? 
degraded being
Sponsor
I'm sure it would be.
Veda
Sponsor
It definitely impresses some people.
In an 8 March 1963 HCOB, Hubbard defined an implant as, "an electronic means of overwhelming a thetan with a significance. Use was made of the actual patterns of living to impress and entrap a thetan and force obedience of behavior patterns."
Hubbard became the "Implanter" - officially - when he told Scientologists the (deadly serious, dangerous, too difficult to discover on their own, yet vital to their survival) contents of their own minds (and spaces) through his "Confidential Upper Level" materials.
He even gave them electro-meters, which would "tell them" that the dangerous and vital-to-survival significance was "true," thus "using electronics to overwhelm with significance."
Some "actual patterns of living" were included "to enforce and entrap."
Hubbard from 14 August 1963, during a lecture - in this instance couched in a description of psychiatry:
"Psychiatry is authoritarian and tells a person what's wrong with him, often introducing a new lie."
The e-meter had become the "electronic means," with people reading their super-hyped secret materials where Hubbard told them.
It all seemed very adventurous - travelling down the "whole track" with RON leading the way - and with the meter, it seemed very scientific, and it was definitely impressive.
"Your writing has a deep hypnotic effect on poeple and they are always pleased with what you write...
"Your psychology is advanced and true and wonderful. It hypnotizes people. It predicts their emotions."
L. Ron Hubbard, 1946