This is My Story
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Dany - glad you're here and telling your tale.
AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Dear Daniel,
Well, you sure have a story there! Having been held by church officials against my will many years ago like you were, I know how overwheling it is and how hard it must have been to get your thoughts together again. You have my sympathies, truely.
That said, you really must report what happened to the police. Kidnapping is a crime and as is extortion and coersion. If you sit and write a report to the police about what happened, using terms they can easily understand about why you are stepping forward now and how you were kept against your will, sec-checked, and made to sign away everything, they will get the full picture. You want to press charges against your wife and the boyfriend and whoever else kept you against your will later on.
Your mother's account was stolen. Have her demand in writing a repayment immediately, stating that she will go to the police and report this fraud if they do not send repayment in full within 30 days.
You should also file a civil lawsuit against them and all the churches involved. First get a lawyer to to write a demand letter to each person and org involved, stating that if the monies are not immediately refunded, the matter will be taken to court. Often they will settle to avoid paying large legal fees to cover all involved. Especially if the police get involved.
If the account monies involved any US org, you have right here in the USA to correct that. Florida and California each have a charities commission or oversite dept that one can file complaints at. Let me knnow and I will get you the contact information.
Hope this helps. Thank you for bringing this out into the eyes of the public.
Mary
Well, you sure have a story there! Having been held by church officials against my will many years ago like you were, I know how overwheling it is and how hard it must have been to get your thoughts together again. You have my sympathies, truely.
That said, you really must report what happened to the police. Kidnapping is a crime and as is extortion and coersion. If you sit and write a report to the police about what happened, using terms they can easily understand about why you are stepping forward now and how you were kept against your will, sec-checked, and made to sign away everything, they will get the full picture. You want to press charges against your wife and the boyfriend and whoever else kept you against your will later on.
Your mother's account was stolen. Have her demand in writing a repayment immediately, stating that she will go to the police and report this fraud if they do not send repayment in full within 30 days.
You should also file a civil lawsuit against them and all the churches involved. First get a lawyer to to write a demand letter to each person and org involved, stating that if the monies are not immediately refunded, the matter will be taken to court. Often they will settle to avoid paying large legal fees to cover all involved. Especially if the police get involved.
If the account monies involved any US org, you have right here in the USA to correct that. Florida and California each have a charities commission or oversite dept that one can file complaints at. Let me knnow and I will get you the contact information.
Hope this helps. Thank you for bringing this out into the eyes of the public.
Mary
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Search around the forum Daniel. There are threads that explain how others were successful with getting their money back.
Thetanic 20080920 Leverage against IAS
Tookmeawhile 20081107 "How I got my IAS refund" Part 1
Tookmeawhile 20081107 "How I got my IAS refund" Part 2
Tookmeawhile 20081107 "How I got my IAS refund" Part 3
Tookmeawhile 20081107 "How I got my IAS refund" Part 4
Tookmeawhile 20081107 Reporting refunds/repayments to the IRS
Kathy (ImOut) 20081107 Neat way to get a statement of account from an org
Kathy (ImOut) 20081108 Send mail to CofS Delivery Confirmation not Registered Mail
Tookmeawhile 20081121 Greg and Debra Barnes successful IAS refund
Kathy (ImOut) 20090415 No attorney. Don't do Routing Form
Ted 20090416 What a refund/repayment means to a local org
Feral 20090416 Don't go into the org at all
Kathy (ImOut) 20090713 Refund and repayment are different
Kathy (ImOut) 20090716 The letter that has gotten more than $400K repaid from the CofS
Kathy (ImOut) 20091111 Additional info
Dulloldfart 20091223 Pro-rating unused intensive hours
Feral 20100121 IAS multi-party law suit, 50+ plaintiffs
AnonKat 20100527 Different names for the IAS in different places
Paul
AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Dany, I do hope you come back. Don't take insults, like the one Uniquemand made, too seriously. It's just ignorance. Most people here are good and concerned. Please read up on what I and DullOldFart posted let us know if these were helpful. What you have to say is important.
Mary
Mary
uniquemand
Unbeliever
It wasn't an insult, it was just a joke about the name.
dexter gelfand
Patron Meritorious
This is my story.
My name is Daniel Asse
I am a prominent member of the Jewish community, and Rotary Club in Mexico.
I was in Scientology for 9 years
The Church says that you "must handle” big upsets refunds cycles, chaplain cycles within Church lines.
This is a falsehood.
I have been trying every single day for months to no result. I have called OSA INT multiple times.
No one will return my phone calls.
Part 1.
I believed in Scientology to improve spirituality. I gave them a LOT of MONEY. They intensely regged me for a LOT of money.
I paid $35,000 just for my wife's bridge alone.
I paid $180,000 to FSO for Ls and other services in Flag and in Mexico City
While having L's at Flag my wife was having sex with the Snr C/S of IFAD (in Mexico)
Part 2
When I return to Mexico, they both where waiting for me at the airport, and this guy took me to his church (now as a Chaplain) and enforced and coerced me to have an express divorce, they kidnapped me for 9 hours with no food until I sign a piece of paper that says that my wife took all the money $127,000 us dollars from my own accounts, pre-sign checks (for emergencies), cash in my house and even money under my mothers account, for her divorce, and that I couldn't go to court to appeal for what happened with her. I was screamed at for my "CRIMES." I was constantly threatened with "non enturbulation order" and suppressive personal declare.
But they are the ones who emptied my bank accounts while I was on the Ls at Flag.
This guy told me that I could lose my house too (I was married under separate assets) he took me for a hole week (in his office, with out allowing me to go out, and threat me that I was going to be declared suppressive if I do not pay him more money for the church, he was pushing me to go back to Flag, then he took me to CLO Latam to many others that knew about this evil plan to divorce me right away so the stolen money out of my accounts had a different spin.
My wife, had, in my absence given ALL the money from our joint bank accounts to the Church for "Ideal Orgs." None of this was her money. She came into the marriage poor penniless. I put the money in the accounts, which she gave away, without my knowledge to "Ideal Orgs"
The Church knew that I was in Clearwater for Ls and that the money they were stealing did not have my approval.
I believe my wife gave them all these funds to avoid Ethics for sex with the Senior CS in Mexico.
Part 3
I was hugely upset that all my money was raped out of my possession without my knowledge and consent.
I threatened the Church that I would go public with this, upon which they threatened my spiritual future and told me
I was no longer eligible for Flag, to go to Los Angeles.
This was my life immediately after completing 3 Ls at Flag.
I went to Los Angeles where they put me to slave labor of filing in Central Files for 2 months while I paid my own hotel and meals.
I am public, but I am filing in Central Files like a Sea Org member on the decks.
Part 3
During my 9 years of taking services at the church, I realized now, that I lost my wife, my money, my business, my joy of living, and my family, because they made me disconnect to my mother, because she is a psychologist.
Marty, you are right, the Church does everything to make the family break-up.
Hi Daniel, other than that, how did everything work out with your experience with the CoS?
Seriously though, how or why you stuck it out as long as you did is beyond me. If all of this is true, I hope you send this story out to every news medium you can find. I'm really, really sorry you experienced all of this.
Love, Dex
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
shalom
welcome to esmb!
so.
you're reading kafka. in vitro.
well just because someone has played schlemiel on you you needn't be a schlamazel.
it appears you have acted in good faith in your studies. it is CoS which is in breach of contract, so long as you proceed with respect for the ideals of the subject and without malice toward it's honest students and devotees you will do no harm to your spiritual destiny. do be careful to maintain a noble posture and renounce and restrain all intent toward vengeance. you have known a "joy of living", a joie de vivre, only impeccable conduct may gain it's renewal.
as it happens, elron does offer cogent advice to you. he said "when that happens to you, admire it." i've tried that. it works. it can be a powerful remedy to innoculate an injured party against bitterness. in fact it resonates with the dictum of a controversial and allegedly heretical rabbi who both two thousand years ago and today in present time instructs his disciples to "turn the other cheek."
and be grateful for what you have. you need not look far to find others in far more dire circumstance than your own and you can do much to diminish your own distress with an active material practice of tikkun olam toward them.
and look as well at the past. try this vignette. in 1941 the wehrmacht swept through eastern europe with the dread and vile ss following in their wake. one day in a village on the steppe an ss officer and his garde entered a jewish home and found it's master, a young man to be suitable for slave labor. his wife and infant child being deemed useless were summarily shot. then the officer turned to the young man and with gloating contempt sneered "so. jew. tell me. where is your god?" standing in the blood of his butchered wife and child the young man said "today the well is dry. the well has been dry before." the young man's words live. the officer is dead, his military formation dissolved, his colors despised and the political ideology he served is cast on the trash heap of history. and today the well is not dry.
welcome to esmb!
so.
you're reading kafka. in vitro.
well just because someone has played schlemiel on you you needn't be a schlamazel.
it appears you have acted in good faith in your studies. it is CoS which is in breach of contract, so long as you proceed with respect for the ideals of the subject and without malice toward it's honest students and devotees you will do no harm to your spiritual destiny. do be careful to maintain a noble posture and renounce and restrain all intent toward vengeance. you have known a "joy of living", a joie de vivre, only impeccable conduct may gain it's renewal.
as it happens, elron does offer cogent advice to you. he said "when that happens to you, admire it." i've tried that. it works. it can be a powerful remedy to innoculate an injured party against bitterness. in fact it resonates with the dictum of a controversial and allegedly heretical rabbi who both two thousand years ago and today in present time instructs his disciples to "turn the other cheek."
and be grateful for what you have. you need not look far to find others in far more dire circumstance than your own and you can do much to diminish your own distress with an active material practice of tikkun olam toward them.
and look as well at the past. try this vignette. in 1941 the wehrmacht swept through eastern europe with the dread and vile ss following in their wake. one day in a village on the steppe an ss officer and his garde entered a jewish home and found it's master, a young man to be suitable for slave labor. his wife and infant child being deemed useless were summarily shot. then the officer turned to the young man and with gloating contempt sneered "so. jew. tell me. where is your god?" standing in the blood of his butchered wife and child the young man said "today the well is dry. the well has been dry before." the young man's words live. the officer is dead, his military formation dissolved, his colors despised and the political ideology he served is cast on the trash heap of history. and today the well is not dry.
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
Welcome Daniel.Asse!
This is one of the sickest stories I've ever seen from the Church of Scientology.
I am not a lawyer (although sometimes I am certain that I am). It seems to me that you most definitely have a legal case here, and I believe you should do all you can to get it heard in a court of law. You have rights that the Church refuses to recognize. The only way to help your fellow Scientologists is to FORCE them to recognize those rights - for you and all of them, too.
They will never recognize the rights of Scientologists on their own. They have no reason to. Life is too good for them while they are able to exploit the vulnerabilities of spiritual seekers, threaten their eternities, and force them to give over everything of value that they have - including their families!
Keep posting. Build a community of support here.
And sue those bastards back to the stone age.
This is one of the sickest stories I've ever seen from the Church of Scientology.
I am not a lawyer (although sometimes I am certain that I am). It seems to me that you most definitely have a legal case here, and I believe you should do all you can to get it heard in a court of law. You have rights that the Church refuses to recognize. The only way to help your fellow Scientologists is to FORCE them to recognize those rights - for you and all of them, too.
They will never recognize the rights of Scientologists on their own. They have no reason to. Life is too good for them while they are able to exploit the vulnerabilities of spiritual seekers, threaten their eternities, and force them to give over everything of value that they have - including their families!
Keep posting. Build a community of support here.
And sue those bastards back to the stone age.
Auditor's Toad
Clear as Mud
Sue the bastards.
Use really BIG numbers when you sue the bastards.
They do not understanf people, they do understand money so speak to them in their language : take their money away from them.
Loud, flappy, very public seems to be what they want.
Use really BIG numbers when you sue the bastards.
They do not understanf people, they do understand money so speak to them in their language : take their money away from them.
Loud, flappy, very public seems to be what they want.
Arthur Dent
Silver Meritorious Patron
This is my story.
My name is Daniel Asse
I am a prominent member of the Jewish community, and Rotary Club in Mexico.
I was in Scientology for 9 years
The Church says that you "must handle” big upsets refunds cycles, chaplain cycles within Church lines.
This is a falsehood.
I have been trying every single day for months to no result. I have called OSA INT multiple times.
No one will return my phone calls.
Part 1.
I believed in Scientology to improve spirituality. I gave them a LOT of MONEY. They intensely regged me for a LOT of money.
I paid $35,000 just for my wife's bridge alone.
I paid $180,000 to FSO for Ls and other services in Flag and in Mexico City
While having L's at Flag my wife was having sex with the Snr C/S of IFAD (in Mexico)
Part 2
When I return to Mexico, they both where waiting for me at the airport, and this guy took me to his church (now as a Chaplain) and enforced and coerced me to have an express divorce, they kidnapped me for 9 hours with no food until I sign a piece of paper that says that my wife took all the money $127,000 us dollars from my own accounts, pre-sign checks (for emergencies), cash in my house and even money under my mothers account, for her divorce, and that I couldn't go to court to appeal for what happened with her. I was screamed at for my "CRIMES." I was constantly threatened with "non enturbulation order" and suppressive personal declare.
But they are the ones who emptied my bank accounts while I was on the Ls at Flag.
This guy told me that I could lose my house too (I was married under separate assets) he took me for a hole week (in his office, with out allowing me to go out, and threat me that I was going to be declared suppressive if I do not pay him more money for the church, he was pushing me to go back to Flag, then he took me to CLO Latam to many others that knew about this evil plan to divorce me right away so the stolen money out of my accounts had a different spin.
My wife, had, in my absence given ALL the money from our joint bank accounts to the Church for "Ideal Orgs." None of this was her money. She came into the marriage poor penniless. I put the money in the accounts, which she gave away, without my knowledge to "Ideal Orgs"
The Church knew that I was in Clearwater for Ls and that the money they were stealing did not have my approval.
I believe my wife gave them all these funds to avoid Ethics for sex with the Senior CS in Mexico.
Part 3
I was hugely upset that all my money was raped out of my possession without my knowledge and consent.
I threatened the Church that I would go public with this, upon which they threatened my spiritual future and told me
I was no longer eligible for Flag, to go to Los Angeles.
This was my life immediately after completing 3 Ls at Flag.
I went to Los Angeles where they put me to slave labor of filing in Central Files for 2 months while I paid my own hotel and meals.
I am public, but I am filing in Central Files like a Sea Org member on the decks.
Part 3
During my 9 years of taking services at the church, I realized now, that I lost my wife, my money, my business, my joy of living, and my family, because they made me disconnect to my mother, because she is a psychologist.
Marty, you are right, the Church does everything to make the family break-up.
Dany, Sue BIG AND FAST. Hopefully you can enlighten your wife (ex-wife?) and I hope you get every single nickel back and make as much noise as possible!
If I didn't know better I'd say you made up this story!!
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Hi Daniel, other than that, how did everything work out with your experience with the CoS?
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Love, Dex
Oh Dex!lol
Wisened One
Crusader
What Glib said, Daniel. Welcome to ESMB, btw. And Jeeezus 'effin' christl!!! What a 'wonderful tech' Scn has, huh? Kidnapping, extortion, etc?!
GET ALL YOUR MONEY BACK FROM THE CHURCH AND YOUR WIFE, ASAP!!!
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
hype is tripe
whoa!
most people who take an interest in hubbards work are among the best people there are. a small percentage of CoS policies and practices are skunky.
dan'ls old lady and her lover did something boys and girls are known to do.
if CoS didn't have a serious case of cranialrectosis it would have immediately disciplined the c/s and returned the funds
whoa!
most people who take an interest in hubbards work are among the best people there are. a small percentage of CoS policies and practices are skunky.
dan'ls old lady and her lover did something boys and girls are known to do.
if CoS didn't have a serious case of cranialrectosis it would have immediately disciplined the c/s and returned the funds