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Trey Lotz

Thanks for this, so the OP saying Trey had Joined RFW in 2007 was "somebody's joke", glad this got clarified. :duh:

It was a false report from Joel Phillips on RFW itself, that was quoted without labelling it true or false. It's the first hit I get when I Google >>>trey lotz<<<.

Note this item: http://www.zimbio.com/Scientology+beliefs+and+practices/articles/3/Welcome+to+Trey+Lotz. Looking at the next article, but no further, this zimbio.com could be some kind of automated site that sucks up items from key words.

Paul
 
Thanks for this, so the OP saying Trey had Joined RFW in 2007 was "somebody's joke", glad this got clarified. :duh:

As dulloldfart mentioned, this was not a joke by me. I found it on the web and it appears to be a false report from Joel Phillips on RFW itself.

Written by JoelPhillips on 2007-08-24T09:50:00
From: joelphillipsreligiousfreedomwatch.blogspot.com
 
This person is still under the influence of 90% of his LRH cult programming.

Perhaps someone who's 98% under the influence could benefit from counseling from someone who's 90% under the influence, but that's no one here, or is it?

Does his love for LRH and LRH tech so excite the closet LRHoids that they lose perspective?

It's always good news when someone leaves the C of $, but this person is not a fount of wisdom to be consulted by those seeking enlightenment - unless they are so in the dark that his 10% cult-self-deprogramming is an improvement over their 2% cult-self-deprogramming.

Which is possible.

In which case, go for it. :)

This comment rubs me the wrong way a bit. To me, the major harm from CoS is the heavy domination over one's life. These "independents"/"freezoners" seem to fully reject that. I don't know what to make of all the theory of Scientology. But I know some people have had definite, undeniable benefits from auditing. I know it's nice to have a friendly ear to talk to. If Trey is not tricking people, if people are voluntarily coming to him for his service, and walking away happier, then great! If he's done this for decades, then he might actually have some expertise from his own observations, despite LRH. I'm curious to see how the Freezone pans out over time. I don't have an interest in auditing. But I admire the courage of the people who continue to audit, with opposition from both CoS and from other critics.
 
TREY

I've been in session with Trey and he is very natural with his comm and has a true certainty of what he is doing.

Also if some you had common sense, you might realize that one doesn't

stay in business for 40 years without delivering real products that people are happy with !

The tech works when applied with knowledge, skill, experience and care.
 
This person is still under the influence of 90% of his LRH cult programming.

Perhaps someone who's 98% under the influence could benefit from counseling from someone who's 90% under the influence, but that's no one here, or is it?

Does his love for LRH and LRH tech so excite the closet LRHoids that they lose perspective?

It's always good news when someone leaves the C of $, but this person is not a fount of wisdom to be consulted by those seeking enlightenment - unless they are so in the dark that his 10% cult-self-deprogramming is an improvement over their 2% cult-self-deprogramming.

Which is possible.

In which case, go for it. :)

This comment rubs me the wrong way a bit. To me, the major harm from CoS is the heavy domination over one's life. These "independents"/"freezoners" seem to fully reject that. I don't know what to make of all the theory of Scientology. But I know some people have had definite, undeniable benefits from auditing. I know it's nice to have a friendly ear to talk to. If Trey is not tricking people, if people are voluntarily coming to him for his service, and walking away happier, then great! If he's done this for decades, then he might actually have some expertise from his own observations, despite LRH. I'm curious to see how the Freezone pans out over time. I don't have an interest in auditing. But I admire the courage of the people who continue to audit, with opposition from both CoS and from other critics.

The comment is a cautionary note.http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=291813&postcount=145, one provided mainly for "newbie lurkers."

If you "don't know what to make of all the theory of Scientology," then perhaps you should investigate it further.

I agree that "some people have definite undeniable benefits from auditing," and I would point out that not all auditing is auditing. Some is manipulative suggestion, some is "implanting."

"It's nice to have a friendly ear to talk to." Yes, it is. And that's the standard lead-in. Scientology begins by asking and then becomes telling. Bait and switch.

"...not tricking people..." This person "delivers the LRH Bridge" (which is a bait and switch no-Bridge). He's a Scientologist (which, I assume, is why he chooses not to join this X-Scn-Forum, even to post one comment, but does so through a surrogate), he sells "Hubbard Guidance."

I know people who are counselors, who "audit." Not one of them considers himself or herself to be a Scientologist, and they will not "deliver" the "LRH Bridge," even though they could.

To be fair, most have been out of Scientology for far longer than the person in question, who - apparently - has been out for six or seven years.

Yet, six or seven years is a fairly long time, and a time in which the Internet has existed with its abundance of information. Has this person looked at this information? From what I can glean, not much of it. For example, he only recently discovered the 'RFW' site, and that the "Church," to which he was member for decades, during which Miscavige was was "boss" for two of those decades, has utilized "black PR." (What else doesn't he know?)

Has he stepped back an re-evaluated the "LRH Bridge" and the "Hubbard Guidance" that he sells? Apparently not.

Then again, he's only had six or seven years to recover from the LRH cult indoctrination.

I think my statement was fair, and realistic.

You may not have much interest in auditing, but I, and others, still do. I think it can be - in its most fundamental and benign sense - a beautiful discipline. One that should be preserved.

I this case, where the "LRH Bridge" and "Hubbard Guidance" is being sold, "auditing" is used as a lead-in, and a (kind of) medium, through which something else, ultimately, happens - something else that is not auditing.

Perhaps this person - even after six or seven years - doesn't know any better, or perhaps he does and is just making a living selling a "needed and wanted" commodity to still programmed recent escapees from the "Church," but to the extent that he's selling "auditing" and then selling something else, then he (knowingly or unknowingly) is "tricking people."

But, after all, his guru is the trickster Hubbard, so that should be no surprise.
 
This person is still under the influence of 90% of his LRH cult programming.

Perhaps someone who's 98% under the influence could benefit from counseling from someone who's 90% under the influence, but that's no one here, or is it?

Does his love for LRH and LRH tech so excite the closet LRHoids that they lose perspective?

It's always good news when someone leaves the C of $, but this person is not a fount of wisdom to be consulted by those seeking enlightenment - unless they are so in the dark that his 10% cult-self-deprogramming is an improvement over their 2% cult-self-deprogramming.

Which is possible.

In which case, go for it. :)

This is the Veda we know and love, slanging off someone he knows
nothing about.

Is it because:-

A] The MAA forgot to inform Trey that visiting RFW was mandatory?

B] He is an extremely successfull field auditor?

C] It was 1pm on thursday and slanging off posts needed a little push?
 
Boy, Shorty Dave really can't stand anybody who is tech trained and good at it, can he? If you just shut up and buy stuff, you're OK with him. But God forbid you should be a good auditor, and worse, actually audit people skillfully. He'll kick your ass right out.

Obviously, he feels threatened by people who know more than he does. He may be afraid that the credit-card-carrying masses will find out that they've been taken over by nothing more than an errand boy who used to hold the Old Man's ashtray and rinse his shirts fifteen times. What a tool.

I never met Trey, but he had a perpetual ad in the Who What Where for as long as I can remember. Trey Lotz. Consulting. And there was a picture and a phone number.

I did not know his background until I read the link in the first post. Well, good, I'm glad to see he's happy and out of the "church."

Gus
 
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