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I go to a library every 2 weeks; the computers are in their own space and nobody is playing music, at least not that anyone can hear. Library is library.
ugh.
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EP - Ethics Particle
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Casting my vote!
The OP resonated like a crock of shit in the northern hemi and my universe too!
EP
And even if the story were true; a Qual Library is still a Library.... sssshhhh!
The OP resonated like a crock of shit in the northern hemi and my universe too!
EP
alex
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I'm a Kiwi! But yeah, maybe after living in Oz for as long as I have, some 'Ozzie' has rubbed off on me.
Kiwi? In California thats a fruit we use to decorate a tart.
alex
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The OP resonated like a crock of shit in the northern hemi and my universe too!
EP
As I have pointed out many times before, people who do not bow to the group gestalt of hatred towards "scientology" are targeted for exclusion by the invalidation of their thoughts as posted. I wonder at the wisdom in that. A story of abuse with the requisite blame and denunciation though is heralded as truth certain.
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That's not what rang false with me, Alex, and I certainly DO NOT hate scientology or scientologists. Some of my best friends... etc.
This sort of "truth" is relative. I wonder what, if anything, really happened?
Iknowtoomuch
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Carmel
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This is not the case here, Alex - If anything, I'm pissy about Aeval for slagging off about an SO member for trying to do her job, and possibly intentionally instigating a 'group think' 'natter session' about SO members. (that's not saying though, that I believe the scenario explained actually occurred)
Div6
Crusader
Yes, you are correct. There are still some 'good' people left. No doubt.
I react strongly as it is the "culture" of the SO that I reject so heavily, focused as it is on "Authority", "Control", "Command Intention" and abuse.
My point is that from my observation, those still "in" have some points of agreement with that kind of stuff to tolerate it and to allow it to continue to exist.
I would say that if this incident IS true, the Cope Off's response was dis-proportional and out-gradient. Wouldn't a polite comm cycle, or an ethics chit be more appropriate?
Carmel
Crusader
Hey, I 'hate' the culture, so I know what ya mean.
IF the incident occurred, then who knows what Aeval did to provoke, and who knows what 'gradients' the Cope Off may have applied and/or how polite she may have been.
I didn't buy the op at all. To me it stunk of out-points and was posted for a certain effect.
bluewiggirl
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Wow, that's some real sweet welcome party here.
"Tell us your story! THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CROCK OF SHIT, TROLL!"
You lose nothing, nothing being polite to people online. You in fact waste more of your precious time ranting at them. Aeval has been here what? a day? And you've already determined that she's not worth being nice to? This is not a good way to make friends and influence people.
OSAOSAOSA much?
"Tell us your story! THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CROCK OF SHIT, TROLL!"
You lose nothing, nothing being polite to people online. You in fact waste more of your precious time ranting at them. Aeval has been here what? a day? And you've already determined that she's not worth being nice to? This is not a good way to make friends and influence people.
OSAOSAOSA much?
alex
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I totally agree!
In fact some of the 'welcomes' lately have been enough to turn my stomach. Is every new poster to be treated as a troll until proven (as if you could) otherwise? Or is there some private agreed upon guidelines about how to judge a poster? Geez!
Carmel
Crusader
48 posts is hardly "new", and the op here on this thread is pretty telling.
Making friends and influencing people may well be a good thing, but there are more important things, IMO. If you're going to dish out crap, you've gotta expect to get some back.
Ignoring for the moment the deliberate red herring of the 'hatred towards Scientology' as our 'groupthink paradigm' there's more
"are targeted for exclusion by the invalidation of their thoughts as posted."
That's a fun little bit. Targeted by *whom*? And, since when is 'invalidation' exclusionary? Actually, 'invalidation' is not the crime Ron would have you believe. It's *beneficial* to invalidate, if by that is meant to dispute and disagree and express contrary opinion. Anyone who believes that 'agreement' is necessary to communication is, well, a Scientologist maybe. At the very least he's someone who misses the entire point to 'communication'.
Yes; there are those of dainty skin who see any failure of 'agreement' as a call to run and hide, but, that's them 'excluding' *themselves*.
As for your last bit; as you may have noticed, we already have differences of opinion on this thread and about just this one story, Since Carmel's interpretation of Aeval's anecdote differs from Aeval's, and, yes, probably most others
(Since there's little general sentiment to 'justify' Scientology's absurd and manipulative 'authority')Yet, she's not *excluded*; she's expressing a 'valid' interpretation that's in marked contrast to the 'groupthink' (which is actually a general consensus rather than a Hubbardian 'stable datum')
As to people 'accepting as true' Aeval's story; that's probably true. It fits in well with people's own experience of Scientology and that's a legitimate basis for evaluation. However one 'interprets' it.
Zinj
SchwimmelPuckel
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(Quoting myself for lucidity..)It's tit for tat Alex.. Inside Scientology we consider WOG's, or the garden variety humanoids, abberated and DB's for not being scilons...
Not a continuation, but rather giving back as received.. I can quote Hubbard ad nauseam with derogatory rethoric about the WOG's and their shortcomings... If we make the thought experiment, that we said all that about Scientology.. (Well, we do!) We'd be in enemy condition faster than you could say shit.. (Well, we are!)
So what condition is scientology in with respect to the human race?
Are you saying that Scientology want's to make war, poverty and insanity, until we WOG's respect their beliefs and join scientology?
Hmm.. That's the gist of what CoS policy does say isn't it?
Yeh.. I agree of course.. I'm just stirring the pot!
SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
Well, the OP didn't cause me to suspect trolling.. I could wonder why 'going past an MU wasn't indicated', but then it wasn't a regular study situation, and maybe the SO member didn't know shit about study tech, alt. Didn't care to wear any Course Supervisor hat...
The described 'behavior' of the SO member is intirely believeable to me.
The described 'behavior' of the SO member is intirely believeable to me.
Blue Spirit
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Group Think
A true and accurate statement !
The basic problem has been for a long time that staff's cases are
not handled, so group think is a given.
A true and accurate statement !
The basic problem has been for a long time that staff's cases are
not handled, so group think is a given.
Aeval
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Hmmm, wow. Seems I opened an pretty rotten can of worms in my rant.
Let me clarify, I was really ranting. I was upset by the way I was dealt with, and the way that my property was handled.
True, it's just my side of the story.
HER side of the story may be completely different.
I don't apologize for having background noise on. I could barely hear it over the children in the Qual Library playing.
AND
it was after hours.
Point taken. It wasn't my intent to be rude to anyone, and HAD ANYONE ELSE BEEN STUDYING, I would have gladly turned it off.
There wasn't a study situation happening. This was not the Qual courseroom, it was the qual library. I wasnt studying, i was copying information for my own evaluation later. I'm a GAT trained sup, word clearer, etc. I even cleared a few words while I was there.
To answer your last question, in a word, No. They can figure out who I am and what I think without any help from the internet. I'm quite upfront about my thoughts.
The SO member wasn't trying to do her job, she's not even in Qual as a staff member.
I was ranting, not nescisarily instigating a group natter this board does that pretty well for themselves without me!
I can't PROVE anything.
Why should I have to?
Take my rant for what it was, and don't bother misconstruing it anyother way.
EVEN IF I HAD MU's, her taking MY belongings stirs a justifiable anger in me.
Let me clarify, I was really ranting. I was upset by the way I was dealt with, and the way that my property was handled.
True, it's just my side of the story.
HER side of the story may be completely different.
I don't apologize for having background noise on. I could barely hear it over the children in the Qual Library playing.
AND
it was after hours.
I agree with what Carmel has posted here.
Without the use of a headset, and even alone in the library, the use of a computer playing music is not really good manners.
EP
Point taken. It wasn't my intent to be rude to anyone, and HAD ANYONE ELSE BEEN STUDYING, I would have gladly turned it off.
Interesting how all his science fiction didn't need ANY changing...just the Scientology books did.
There are no policies that I know of that cover what happened there. You were not on study.
Yep control issue. I agree!
To simply say it's a library shhh...is silly. It's knowhere near a real library.
But aren't you worried about someone figuring out who you are from your story?
There wasn't a study situation happening. This was not the Qual courseroom, it was the qual library. I wasnt studying, i was copying information for my own evaluation later. I'm a GAT trained sup, word clearer, etc. I even cleared a few words while I was there.
To answer your last question, in a word, No. They can figure out who I am and what I think without any help from the internet. I'm quite upfront about my thoughts.
The SO member wasn't trying to do her job, she's not even in Qual as a staff member.
I was ranting, not nescisarily instigating a group natter this board does that pretty well for themselves without me!
Well, the OP didn't cause me to suspect trolling.. I could wonder why 'going past an MU wasn't indicated', but then it wasn't a regular study situation, and maybe the SO member didn't know shit about study tech, alt. Didn't care to wear any Course Supervisor hat...
The described 'behavior' of the SO member is intirely believeable to me.
I can't PROVE anything.
Why should I have to?
Take my rant for what it was, and don't bother misconstruing it anyother way.
EVEN IF I HAD MU's, her taking MY belongings stirs a justifiable anger in me.