What is truly native to a thetan?
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SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
Allright... But there's a usage as: A 'theta' environment (about the Fart.. Freewinds as an example). What I see is that the concept of 'theta' is one of the primary 'memes' Hubturd used to reprogram our logic. Everything $cientology is 'theta'. Even the justice system and SP declares! - Disagreement is 'entheta'! (that's another usage of the word by the way, just reverse vectored)
Point taken.. 'Basically' it is. And indeed Hubturd thought we are all withholdy criminals (abberees) in need of correction.
Hmm.. 'Survive' is just an acceptable truth for use at the lower gradients of SCN then.. Makes sense.. 'Survive' would appeal to the WOGs. Later, explain that the intire MEST universe is useless. Science is a waste of time figuring out MEST which is useless. Humanity is just a MEST game and a trap. A true 'thetan' doesn't want or need a body. Being 'exterior' (literally out of your body) is seen as freedom...
Well.. If the purpose and joy of the spirit is to create.. And the MEST universe is what we created. Then I'd kind of expect us to like that a lot. I'd expect 'thetans' to want bodies and make 'em survive.
Sure looks like Hubturd grew tired of our wonderful MEST universe and wanted out. I say: "Bye bye Ron!". I think it's really perverted that he wanted to lure us all with him though.
I still think the urge to figure out and understand is basic. Hubturd didn't mention that as i recall. But he sure used hypnotic confusion tecnique. That trick relies on our need to understand...
SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
No, it's not danish. It doesn't sound like anything danish at all. As a little language curiosity I've noticed.. We don't use words that mean 'fuck' or 'copulate' as derogatories like in english. We use 'shit', the 'devil' and 'cancerous dicease'.. And thus have the 'sex' words reserved for that nice activity. So in fact you can't say 'fucking SchwimmelPuckel' in danish. Well, you can, but it's not offensive really. Response would be: "Is he fucking? - Oh yeah.. That would be just like him!" - The common derogatory would be "Skide SchwimmelPuckel" - Which means shitty SchwimmelPuckel. An expression like 'Fuck you!' doesn't translate either. If translated directly it would be taken as a statement of intent and get you slapped.. Or fucked.. In danish we have an expression that means: 'I'll fart you a distance!' that carries the sentiment of 'Fuck You!'.
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
No, it's not danish. It doesn't sound like anything danish at all. As a little language curiosity I've noticed.. We don't use words that mean 'fuck' or 'copulate' as derogatories like in english. We use 'shit', the 'devil' and 'cancerous dicease'.. And thus have the 'sex' words reserved for that nice activity. So in fact you can't say 'fucking SchwimmelPuckel' in danish. Well, you can, but it's not offensive really. Response would be: "Is he fucking? - Oh yeah.. That would be just like him!" - The common derogatory would be "Skide SchwimmelPuckel" - Which means shitty SchwimmelPuckel. An expression like 'Fuck you!' doesn't translate either. If translated directly it would be taken as a statement of intent and get you slapped.. Or fucked.. In danish we have an expression that means: 'I'll fart you a distance!' that carries the sentiment of 'Fuck You!'.
So it's strictly low German, then?
"To tuck" as in a seed into the earth?
I was in bed sleeping when you wrote this. We're not all rich enough to hire maverick-genius-type scientists to create a clone army that can post on ESMB around the clock in order to secure Destroyer of Worlds status! Jeez!
Schwimmel - please consider yourself heartily acknowledged.
programmer_guy
True Ex-Scientologist
I've been pondering what characteristics/values are native to a thetan.
Assuming there is such a thing as a thetan.
Aesthetics
Curiosity
Spirit of Play
Qualities that we value, such as courage, loyalty, honour, whilst admirable wouldn't appear to be native to a thetan. Early on the track, could such things easily be conceived of?
Even the three I've listed require that static has mocked-up space and more than one viewpoint.
Any ideas?
Maybe there is no such thing as a "static" - in spiritual terms. IMO, all the things you mentioned fall under the subject of survival and natural selection. You don't "mock up" the space that you live in (in the SCN spiritual terms, as in 8-8008). You were just born into it. Isn't this a difficult thing to confront?
Maybe there is no such thing as a "static" - in spiritual terms. IMO, all the things you mentioned fall under the subject of survival and natural selection. You don't "mock up" the space that you live in (in the SCN spiritual terms, as in 8-8008). You were just born into it. Isn't this a difficult thing to confront?
Hmmm.
Lordy, let's not get into a what was there at the beginning, what came before God discussion!
I can get the idea that there was nothing before there was the first universe.
However, getting the idea that static always is, was and will be and contains no time will send me straight to the spin bin! Or am I already there?
programmer_guy
True Ex-Scientologist
tanstaafl said:
All I can say is that I've been there and done that (figuratively speaking). Now I'm done with it.
Shall we discuss some of the contents of the PDC lectures? Or not?
I'm sincerely happy for you. Hope the straight-jacket's not too tight.
Shall we discuss some of the contents of the PDC lectures? Or not?
Oh I can live with that.
How about the merits of taking Ron's advice to not pay someone but to keep insisting "the check is in the post"?
Bea Kiddo
Crusader
After having wasted 1/2 hour catching up by reading this entire thread, I've got your answer Tans. It's in all of these posts.
The only native trait to a thetan is alcohol. And different thetans enjoy different types of alcohol, and therefore there are different types of native thetans.
There. Its not what I think.
It's what I have surmised from this thread.
The only native trait to a thetan is alcohol. And different thetans enjoy different types of alcohol, and therefore there are different types of native thetans.
There. Its not what I think.
It's what I have surmised from this thread.
Alan
Gold Meritorious Patron
You may be onto something there Bea, wait, I've got it! - God is alcohol and it mocked up thetans with bodies so it could experience being drunk. Hell, it's as "workable" as any other theory I've read.
Bea Kiddo
Crusader
You may be onto something there Bea, wait, I've got it! - God is alcohol and it mocked up thetans with bodies so it could experience being drunk. Hell, it's as "workable" as any other theory I've read.
YES!!!
I am exterior with full deception!!!
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
How about the merits of taking Ron's advice to not pay someone but to keep insisting "the check is in the post"?
Can you put a check in a post?
Hey Taansy!
Good thinking!!
Ralph Hilton
Patron Meritorious
The idea of mocking up one's space is hardly new to Scientology. In Aikido, for instance, there is the concept of extending Ki. The basic Ki exercises are an excellent demonstration of its workability.Maybe there is no such thing as a "static" - in spiritual terms. IMO, all the things you mentioned fall under the subject of survival and natural selection. You don't "mock up" the space that you live in (in the SCN spiritual terms, as in 8-8008). You were just born into it. Isn't this a difficult thing to confront?
beyond_horizons
Patron Meritorious
What is truly native to a thetan?
I don't know what hubbo had in mind for his thetan while it whittled away its time cutting, altering, pasting and RPFing folks away in his homegrown religion's backyard, but to contrast from a real religion, it's framed succinctly by the terms 'Light ' (not in the sense of physics although the electromagnetic spectrum is included) and 'Desire' amongst and within 'all that is'.
http://www.kabbalahblog.info/2007/05/03/what-is-spirituality-what-is-a-soul/
I suppose it’s just another metaphoric perspective relative to the nature of the relatives in the holographic universe.
I don't know what hubbo had in mind for his thetan while it whittled away its time cutting, altering, pasting and RPFing folks away in his homegrown religion's backyard, but to contrast from a real religion, it's framed succinctly by the terms 'Light ' (not in the sense of physics although the electromagnetic spectrum is included) and 'Desire' amongst and within 'all that is'.
http://www.kabbalahblog.info/2007/05/03/what-is-spirituality-what-is-a-soul/
I suppose it’s just another metaphoric perspective relative to the nature of the relatives in the holographic universe.
beyond_horizons
Patron Meritorious
Maybe there is no such thing as a "static" - in spiritual terms. IMO, all the things you mentioned fall under the subject of survival and natural selection. You don't "mock up" the space that you live in (in the SCN spiritual terms, as in 8-8008). You were just born into it. Isn't this a difficult thing to confront?
It is pretty basic stuff isn't it!
http://www.kabbalahblog.info/2007/05/24/do-we-have-free-will-or-is-everything-predetermined/
Beef Terminal
Patron
Curiosity?