What made you join Scientology?

[paradox]

And, I think the reason for that is that the core of caring was never actually part of Scientology, and, in fact, was anathema to the core precepts and doctines as created by Ron.

It was however, what the *people* brought in to Scientology with them, and, it's what could survive, because, at the beginning and, up through the 60s, the Scientology 'movement' was more about the people attracted to it and the values they brought to it than about the totalitarian and selfish core of Scientology.

By the 70s the 'organization' had managed to wrest 'control' of the movement from the overwhelmingly well-intentioned body and now, as the human skin sloughs off, what remains is what Scientology actually is; no longer disguised by the 'wog' values that the membership brought to it.

Zinj

This is why $cn and any similar cookie-cutter type, idealized and organized philosophy will always be an utter real world failure. Which I think also accounts for much of the apparent cognitive dissonance I read and hear from those ex-cof$ $cn's such as certain freezerzoners remaining loyal to the idealism of the philosophy and cookie-cutter type (but individualized!) one-size-fits-all technology, as if it could really bring about the organized utopia envisioned.

 

[Tanstaafl]

Monroe accidentally came to be able to exteriorize, found that he could communicate with others also out, and in the end realized that life was a learning experience or a experience collecting effort so as to have something to bring back to the more collective experience of beings as pieces of god, reuniting.

His institute trains people to exteriorize and explore and if they wish help others in the out of body state. He is reputed to "hang out" in several of the levels of consciousness available with his training.

Interesting model, his.

alex (who read dianetics and cogged in 1975...)

Thanks for that Alex.

An "experience-collecting effort"......interesting.
I've had a couple of very brief personal experiences when it seemed I was tapping into something like that - or the awareness of it. It felt more like an experiment than anything else.

I strongly believe that we operate at a number of levels of awareness simultaneously - different viewpoints which are all extended from a static.
The nearer the coal-face one is the less fun life can be, the less direction from above can be given (because other-determinism factors like "case" interfere), the more fixed the viewpoint, etc. The trick is to be aware of all these levels simultaneously.

Since we're on the subject, I'd like to take this opportunity to send a message to my higher-self - pull your bloody finger out you bastard!
It's alright for you up there, invulnerable, watching all in a state of serene curiousity. Try living in my shoes for a day you bastard! Now give me some fucking help, or else!!!

You just can't get the staff these days.

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

I was pretty much born into it....:confused2:

 

[Tanstaafl]

I was pretty much born into it....:confused2:

That's tough, but at least you've got an excuse!

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

That's tough, but at least you've got an excuse!

According to Scientology, I picked that family.

 

[Zinjifar]

According to Scientology, I picked that family.

But, you 'pulled in' getting out.

congratulations

Zinj

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

But, you 'pulled in' getting out.

congratulations

Zinj

Zing!!
Good one.

But yes.

 

[Free to shine]

Zing!!
Good one.

But yes.

Isn't Zinj clever?
I'm in much the same boat IKTM, I know it has unique problems. Glad you are here.

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

Isn't Zinj clever?
I'm in much the same boat IKTM, I know it has unique problems. Glad you are here.

Thanks.
Glad to be here.
Yes it's an interesting angle to have been born into it all isn't it!

 

[Tanstaafl]

According to Scientology, I picked that family.

Ain't bad karma a bitch?!

Pat yourself on the back for getting out.

 

[Pixie]

What was your reason to join?

I wanted to get off drugs. I had read Dianetics and wanted to handle my childhood traumas.

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Question for Pixie...

I wanted to get off drugs. I had read Dianetics and wanted to handle my childhood traumas.

Just wonderin' Pix...

Dianetics was the entry portal for me too. I'm curious whether the copy you had contained a bunch of glowing testimonials reportedly from "fighter pilots" yada yada...? That type of propaganda, now as I think back on it, had a pretty big effect on me! I was "buying in" even then - before I even knew any "orgs" existed at all!?

EP

 

[Pixie]

Just wonderin' Pix...

Dianetics was the entry portal for me too. I'm curious whether the copy you had contained a bunch of glowing testimonials reportedly from "fighter pilots" yada yada...? That type of propaganda, now as I think back on it, had a pretty big effect on me! I was "buying in" even then - before I even knew any "orgs" existed at all!?

EP

No, I don't care about testimonials, anyone can put one of those in a book or on a website. It was when he talked about the unborn child hearing what was said before he or she was born. I had suffered nightmares my whole life about being trapped in a lift and someone on the outside putting needles in.. I'll not get into it here it's a bit sickening, but that was part of it yes, at the time, I thought Dianetics was one of the best books I'd ever read. It was where I was at at the time.

 

[Boldgirl]

I was impressed by the admin tech after being attracted to a simple seminar to help me with my business. (unknown to me it was a front group)

Of course, people there were so interested in talking to me, so nice to me, and having just entered a new scary phase of life now in business without a 'group/employer' to bounce things off of....they became my new best friends.

After enjoying some courses and seeing that I learned so much that I agreed with....when they discussed auditing with me....they had me at 'hello'.

All the while even with the admin courses and the life repair I still didn't think I was doing 'scn', I had no connection that I was 'being a scn' for quite some time. In my mind I was just taking classes and learning about myself in auditing.

It was all so insidious ! (operating or proceeding in an inconspicuous or seemingly harmless way but actually with grave effect). I love this word 'insidious' to describe scn-the meaning fits the whole scheme to a 't'.

So, I don't ever really feel that I 'joined' scn ....it just sort of sucked me in slowly. Then they would start referring to me as a scientologist and hearing that enough times I thought--'ok well yeah-I must be if I am using the admin tech'.

After using the admin tech over and over and seeing so many holes and areas that did NOT work as it said it should, I stopped using most of it only after having pissed some people off, hurt the business and the morale. I started thinking on my own to debug when things weren't going so well, and then the business did great! Wow, scn admin tech doesnt work but my own mind does!!! whew.

So by auditing 'gains-I mean endorphin' releases and admin tech not working --well it made me wake up slowly and it made me push myself to think for myself again.

SCN has this uncanny ability to give you just enough of a perception of 'gains' to keep going, yet it all turned out to be short lived and temporary......for me at least.

The 'crash' from not auditing has been harder to overcome than I thought as it had become an addiction-I now believe a 'physical addiction'. I do wonder seriously if being depressed today is a byproduct of not just the damaging effects of the processes but also withdrawal from the endorphin highs.

 

[FinallyMe]

While I was having lunch at a restaurant shortly after arriving in LA, couple of guys approached me and a friend and told us to go to Celebrity Center if we wanted to see movie stars. Went to the grody CC on 8th Street where Hector Carmine found my ruin -- he really did -- I needed to find out how to become the person that my husband would not beat up, and how to become the person he and his friends would like. The answer was the Comm Course. I felt I found people who accepted me and a place where I belonged. Three days after starting, I told my husband I wanted a divorce. Side note -- the friend that I was having lunch with and who started the Comm Course with me was Megan McDonough - a WONDERFUL singer who is still performing - I think they call themselves Bitchin Babes or something like that. She couldn't take Robert F. Lyons and Nancy (Locke, I think) as our supervisors -- too robotic, so she quit the course. At least it got me out of a very abusive marriage, and gave me some instant friends, which I did not have when we moved here.

 

[Wisened One]

I joined $cn because I was into being a powerful OT, more than just a mere human being.....

Then I joined Staff...because not only was I told it was a way to work for your Bridge (and that you'd go all the way up it and potentially faster)...but I sincerely loved to help people....especially in such a deep way.....

Then I woke up to find it all a sham.....

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I joined cuz someone told me that if I took this course (the Comm Course) that my husband and I would get along better. We fought everyday.

Scn sure helped me!! Within 3 months, I met someone else and left him.

L

 

[Mojo]

Just wondering - if it has not been put up here yet - What made you join Scientology?



What was your reason to join?

An unconscious/subconscious desire to become an ex-scientologist. Literally.

How else could I have made such strides in fulfilling Rons stated aims?

Mojo

 

[Boldgirl]

I joined scientology because I forgot to forget it didnt work last lifetime either.

 

[GreyLensman]

I joined scientology because I forgot to forget it didnt work last lifetime either.

I joined because I did remember.