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Sharone Stainforth

Sharone Stainforth

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I have NO agenda. I have certain beliefs. I believe Scientology to be a CULT.
A cult of depravity, degradation, and vilification of people who they deem to be suppressive.

For those in the freezone: your hogwash dosen't hold any water with me. You can try and say you are against the abuses, but at the end of the day if you truly believed you were against the abuses, you would hold no merit in the promotion of the written word of L. Ron Hubbard. The written word of L. Ron Hubbard IS the abuse, and all the while it continues, it remains the abuse by L. Ron Hubbard.No matter who carries out the abuse, its all perpetrated by the word of L. Ron Hubbard.
 
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GreyWolf

GreyWolf

Gold Meritorious Patron
I say that the freezoners can believe what they want to believe but, I am also free to believe that Ron never had the best interest of humanity in his heart. Just look at the affirmations.
 
G

greebly

Patron with Honors
I also believe you can believe what you want to believe. Just don't expect me to believe the same, cos I don't.
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Hehe that pretty much covers it:p

Having a cuppa or a pint with Terril is harmless enough, which reminds me.
 
degraded being

degraded being

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Sharone Stainforth said:
I have NO agenda. I have certain beliefs. I believe Scientology to be a CULT.
A cult of depravity, degradation, and vilification of people who they deem to be suppressive.

I have had many people question my beliefs and trust in a certain Arnie Lerma. I have been laughed at and vilified by some scientologists for having faith in this man.My faith may be biased, my faith may be unjustified.It may be utter rubbish, but it is my faith.

I will and have spouted it from the roof tops and will contiue to do so.

Far better to promote this :Lermanet.com

than this:
http://www.scientplogy.org

We may not always agree, in fact we may have very little in common, but at the end of the day I think we can say ' it was all a con, by a con man' and if in fact there ever was any truth in L. Ron Hubbard it sure as hell didn't come from source.

For those in the freezone: your hogwash dosen't hold any water with me. You can try and say you are against the abuses, but at the end of the day if you truly believed you were against the abuses, you would hold no merit in the promotion of the written word of L. Ron Hubbard. The written word of L. Ron Hubbard IS the abuse, and all the while it continues, it remains the abuse by L. Ron Hubbard.No matter who carries out the abuse, its all perpetrated by the word of L. Ron Hubbard.
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I agree with this is some way. It seems to me that some FZers have so little backbone about believing in themselves they suck the tit of the fat fool L Ron Hubbard and are prepared to ignore what evil his system was designed to do. Some seem to practice this ignorance persistently because they are too stupid to think.
This is my belief and my religion.
 
Markus

Markus

Silver Meritorious Patron
Thank you - great post!

Sharone Stainforth said:
I have NO agenda. I have certain beliefs. I believe Scientology to be a CULT.
A cult of depravity, degradation, and vilification of people who they deem to be suppressive.

I have had many people question my beliefs and trust in a certain Arnie Lerma. I have been laughed at and vilified by some scientologists for having faith in this man.My faith may be biased, my faith may be unjustified.It may be utter rubbish, but it is my faith.

I will and have spouted it from the roof tops and will contiue to do so.

Far better to promote this :Lermanet.com

than this:
http://www.scientplogy.org

We may not always agree, in fact we may have very little in common, but at the end of the day I think we can say ' it was all a con, by a con man' and if in fact there ever was any truth in L. Ron Hubbard it sure as hell didn't come from source.

For those in the freezone: your hogwash dosen't hold any water with me. You can try and say you are against the abuses, but at the end of the day if you truly believed you were against the abuses, you would hold no merit in the promotion of the written word of L. Ron Hubbard. The written word of L. Ron Hubbard IS the abuse, and all the while it continues, it remains the abuse by L. Ron Hubbard.No matter who carries out the abuse, its all perpetrated by the word of L. Ron Hubbard.
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Thank you Sharon,

you are so right! :thumbsup:You are free to belief. And we are free to tell the world about the crimes and abuses of this cult. You can find the violence in Hubbards books and writings. It is not hard to find, but some people just don't want to see.....:duh:
A world ruled by the Curch of Scientology would be a grey sad suppressed world full of brainwashed alien robots. Maybe we should found a religion too to prevent earth from this cruel fate. I would donate at least € 50 per month to support this goal.:yes:

Love
Markus
 
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aaron saxton

Patron with Honors
Excellent post

A great post.

I think the best thing to do with any Scientolgoy book is to burn it - at least it provides some warmth and gives some use.

Anyone who studies the brain and understands what drives humanity would see that Scientology destroys it.

I do not have respect for beliefs when they are sold as facts. Which makes them lies.
 
uncle sam

uncle sam

Silver Meritorious Patron
Sharone Stainforth said:
I have NO agenda. I have certain beliefs. I believe Scientology to be a CULT.
A cult of depravity, degradation, and vilification of people who they deem to be suppressive.

I have had many people question my beliefs and trust in a certain Arnie Lerma. I have been laughed at and vilified by some scientologists for having faith in this man.My faith may be biased, my faith may be unjustified.It may be utter rubbish, but it is my faith.

I will and have spouted it from the roof tops and will contiue to do so.

Far better to promote this :Lermanet.com

than this:
http://www.scientplogy.org

We may not always agree, in fact we may have very little in common, but at the end of the day I think we can say ' it was all a con, by a con man' and if in fact there ever was any truth in L. Ron Hubbard it sure as hell didn't come from source.

For those in the freezone: your hogwash dosen't hold any water with me. You can try and say you are against the abuses, but at the end of the day if you truly believed you were against the abuses, you would hold no merit in the promotion of the written word of L. Ron Hubbard. The written word of L. Ron Hubbard IS the abuse, and all the while it continues, it remains the abuse by L. Ron Hubbard.No matter who carries out the abuse, its all perpetrated by the word of L. Ron Hubbard.
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Hey there- I'm a big fan of Arnie Lerma and a no fan of the cult [actually enemy]. So be it!
 
tiptoethrutheminefield

tiptoethrutheminefield

Patron with Honors
I'm Afraid

I'm afraid of Freezoners and Independent Scientologists. Not afraid of what they can do to me--they can't do anything. But afraid of their influence on young people, families and children.

Didn't anybody read Sharone's story?

I know this is a minefield, but here I go--I'm sick of the arrogance of old, white men who don't give a damn about children, but just want to live in their heads, be all groupy-groupy with each other, and believe sh*t that KILLS.

It kills, but you don't care.
 
tiptoethrutheminefield

tiptoethrutheminefield

Patron with Honors
clarification

I should clarify that I don't mean anyone who posted on this thread. I mean the stuff I read on other threads. Yes, people are entitled to opinions, I guess, but some opinions are harmful to live around.
 
AnonyMary

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Hi Sharone!

I'm with you on this 100%.

I have been attacked by a few for my trust in Arnie , too, so I know what you mean on that as well. The information at Lermanet.com is essential reading for anyone who has left scientology. ANYONE.

I am free in many ways because of that site and that man and his efforts and those of the former members and many critics whose information is posted there. The media stories and documents alone are a treasure trove of vital information.
Arnie gets attacked because he has persisted in getting the truth out there all these years.

Thanks for speaking up about a subject dear to us both.

Mary McConnell

Sharone Stainforth said:
I have NO agenda. I have certain beliefs. I believe Scientology to be a CULT.
A cult of depravity, degradation, and vilification of people who they deem to be suppressive.

I have had many people question my beliefs and trust in a certain Arnie Lerma. I have been laughed at and vilified by some scientologists for having faith in this man.My faith may be biased, my faith may be unjustified.It may be utter rubbish, but it is my faith.

I will and have spouted it from the roof tops and will contiue to do so.

Far better to promote this :Lermanet.com

than this:
http://www.scientplogy.org

We may not always agree, in fact we may have very little in common, but at the end of the day I think we can say ' it was all a con, by a con man' and if in fact there ever was any truth in L. Ron Hubbard it sure as hell didn't come from source.

For those in the freezone: your hogwash dosen't hold any water with me. You can try and say you are against the abuses, but at the end of the day if you truly believed you were against the abuses, you would hold no merit in the promotion of the written word of L. Ron Hubbard. The written word of L. Ron Hubbard IS the abuse, and all the while it continues, it remains the abuse by L. Ron Hubbard.No matter who carries out the abuse, its all perpetrated by the word of L. Ron Hubbard.
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minnie

minnie

Patron with Honors
I remember once when OSA was trying to "handle" me, I was told that Arnie was "crazy". It was a bit of a footbullet though as I wondered why they mentioned it when I hadn't even been talking about him. It had the same effect on me as RFW and the Freezone Survivors site - my attention immediately went to what was really going on with OSA.

I consider his writings to be very useful, and have many of them favourited. Enjoyed talking to him on the phone too - he is very supportive.

Sharone, I have respect for you and your determination. Your opinions make sense to me. I have spoken to a few other people who have had direct very negative experience with Hubbard, been the targets of his ops etc.

I don't hold scientology dear any more. I am one of those people who feel Hubbard's less than noble intentions, let alone his plagiarisms, cannot be extricated from the processes etc easily. The type of person he was spoils it for me. The intentions of others are given alot of importance in scientology. Well, Hubbards' intentions were important to me too.

I have friends though from the Freezone/Independent field. I support them where I know it will help to bring down the C of S. I cringe (and often hold my tongue) on those occasions where I see fawning adulation for Ron, which appears to be given in ignorance or willful blindness, but in the main, I get along well with them due to the common background, and current purpose re DM. It is obvious to me that DM and Ron are not at opposite ends of the spectrum, but I think it's hard for many to confront that fact.

I would lose no sleep personally if scientology as a belief or practice was lost. I'd be distraught watching the reactions of those who love it though.
 
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Human Again

Human Again

Silver Meritorious Patron
Sharone Stainforth said:
I have NO agenda. I have certain beliefs. I believe Scientology to be a CULT.
A cult of depravity, degradation, and vilification of people who they deem to be suppressive.

I have had many people question my beliefs and trust in a certain Arnie Lerma. I have been laughed at and vilified by some scientologists for having faith in this man.My faith may be biased, my faith may be unjustified.It may be utter rubbish, but it is my faith.

I will and have spouted it from the roof tops and will contiue to do so.

Far better to promote this :Lermanet.com

than this:
http://www.scientplogy.org

We may not always agree, in fact we may have very little in common, but at the end of the day I think we can say ' it was all a con, by a con man' and if in fact there ever was any truth in L. Ron Hubbard it sure as hell didn't come from source.

For those in the freezone: your hogwash dosen't hold any water with me. You can try and say you are against the abuses, but at the end of the day if you truly believed you were against the abuses, you would hold no merit in the promotion of the written word of L. Ron Hubbard. The written word of L. Ron Hubbard IS the abuse, and all the while it continues, it remains the abuse by L. Ron Hubbard.No matter who carries out the abuse, its all perpetrated by the word of L. Ron Hubbard.
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I am with you on this. I think it can be a long pathout of the trap though.
 
Sharone Stainforth

Sharone Stainforth

Silver Meritorious Patron
Thanks for all the replies to this thread.

Arnie has a knack of cutting through the bullshit. I spoke to him once, he also had a knack of taking me from down in a bottomless pit and sending me up on a cloud. Thats the best way I can describe our conversation. He is a big being.

Lermanet.com has been an invaluable tool to disseminate the "church" of scientology. I have always been a staunch supporter.

There are times when it is extremely hard for me to evaluate my time in scientology's sea org, or the thought patterns that were drummed into me as a child on the philosophies of L. Ron Hubbard.

I do not think all scientologists are insane, I do not think all ex scientologists are insane. However, I do think all policies and the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard are insane. Scientology, the subject, the church that isn't a church, the management are insanity at it's finest.I believe the belief system of scientology has the capacity to drive people insane, and it has done. If that makes me a religious bigot, then so be it.

Arnie said those kids that got out of scientology on their own,are stuck in the mental capacity of when they got out. Or at least, words to that effect.I was 12 years old.An adult in a little body? No! A child, way out of their depth.

Contrary to popular belief, I am not a hater.However, I cannot find it in me to even partially agree with the promotion of the written works of L.Ron Hubbard, or any of his teachings, both inside or outside of the "church" of scientology.I find it all extremely damaging to one's body, soul and mind.
 
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