Where's your mind?

[Alan]

To answer the original question: Where is your mind?

The most likely answer is throughout all universes - it is linked to all things.

Close in there is a psychic touch pad - which when contacted takes you to the next link - and so it goes.

Alan

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

To answer the original question: Where is your mind?

The most likely answer is throughout all universes - it is linked to all things.

Close in there is a psychic touch pad - which when contacted takes you to the next link - and so it goes.

Alan

Thanks for answering my question

Asking this question has brought up some interesting responses.

I do still have a question about it though:

So, if the "aura" is an energy around and through the body and it contains different colors, etc., and some people seem to point "out there" to about 1 to 5 ft. around themself (give or take) within the aura, if you ask them to point to a particular concept, thought, idea, etc., then what is storing those things they're looking at?

Is the aura perhaps the individual's mind?

Is there a difference between a "universal mind" and an "individual mind"? I think I get what you're saying regarding the "psychic touch pad". I hadn't looked at it like that before.

You think I'm being too mechanical about all this? Maybe I have the idea that the "mind" is an "electrical/mechanical" function and has a location and space, etc.

L

 

[Alan]

Thanks for answering my question

Asking this question has brought up some interesting responses.

I do still have a question about it though:

So, if the "aura" is an energy around and through the body and it contains different colors, etc., and some people seem to point "out there" to about 1 to 5 ft. around themself (give or take) within the aura, if you ask them to point to a particular concept, thought, idea, etc., then what is storing those things they're looking at?

Is the aura perhaps the individual's mind?

Is there a difference between a "universal mind" and an "individual mind"? I think I get what you're saying regarding the "psychic touch pad". I hadn't looked at it like that before.

You think I'm being too mechanical about all this? Maybe I have the idea that the "mind" is an "electrical/mechanical" function and has a location and space, etc.

L

Bio-electro/mechanical.

As it is a creation - it has a location, space, energy and forms though on a different wavelength and usually outside the physical universe - though it can appear that it is in the physical universe (It is quite often actually paralleling the physical universe.).

 

[Björkist]

I tend to think of the mind as both part of the thetan/spirit and part of the material universe.

As far as where it is, part of it is, as Vinaire said, with the thetan (outside of MEST), and one part is "in MEST".

There's some interesting research which has been done on both the Pineal and Pituitary glands which suggests that a connection/interface may be right around those areas.

On the Org Board and Livingness lecture, Hubbard theorizes that the physical universe is a reactive mind which is next (after the individual's own reactive mind) to be erased.

:confused2:

 

[Vinaire]

Who's 'mind' are we talking about Vinaire?

The thetan's...

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[Vinaire]

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On the Org Board and Livingness lecture, Hubbard theorizes that the physical universe is a reactive mind which is next (after the individual's own reactive mind) to be erased.

:confused2:

In PDC lectures, Hubbard states the body to be part of reactive mind. Body is definitely physical and a representation of the physical universe.

The physical universe may be looked upon as "solidified agreement."

So, obviously, mind has to be beyond and enveloping the physical universe. The physical universe is a product of the mind from this viewpoint.

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[paradox]

Hi

Is someone out there so familiar with Scn materials that they can tell me where in all the materials one can find out "where" the mind is? The actual location. Not the "brain" - not the "being" or ethereal essence, etc. - the MIND.

I know the "mind" exists because I use it quite a bit. I understand a tiny bit about the brain and how its a switchboard between the thetan or being and the mind, but I haven't ever found in Scn "where" the mind is.

I can have people literally "point" to their pictures, thoughts, sensations, etc., and sometimes its in the body, on the body, around the body, over there over here, etc. etc. - but in Scn I haven't been able to find anything on the location of the mind itself.

I have my "theories" as to where it is and as to what it is - but I was just wondering if anyone here has actually seen something in writing in the Scn materials.

:confused2:
Lyn

Clues in red above. :baby1:

NB: when there is no "I" thought; as in deep, dreamless sleep; there is no mind present, no "here." Then, notice where the mind "is" when experiencing a personal dream. Then, where it "is" when having a consensus dream (i.e. when "awake" within concensus reality) :confused2:

 

[Zander]

I remember when I first started in scientology being shown references and having to demo that the pictures of the mind are outside of the body.

So that when you are remembering a picture and looking at it in your mind, whatever distance it seems to be away from you is the distance it is away from your body.

I remember that it seemed very strange to me at the time, and it still does.

Is that what scn says or did I get that completely wrong? If I did them my well-trained auditor did too.

Zander

 

[Vinaire]

I think that the dimensions of the physical universe belong to the physical universe.

The dimensions of the copy of the physical universe belong to that copy of the physical universe.

The copy of the physical universe is in the mind just as physical universe (solidified agreement) is in the mind.

The mind has no dimensions of its own, it seems. But the viewpoint one takes may locate itself in reference to the dimensions of the physical universe, or to the dimensions of the copy of the physical universe.

How is that for complexity? Mathematics can come very handy here.

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[gomorrhan]

Hi

I'm not sure if I'm in the correct category - if I'm not, I can always move it.

Is someone out there so familiar with Scn materials that they can tell me where in all the materials one can find out "where" the mind is? The actual location. Not the "brain" - not the "being" or ethereal essence, etc. - the MIND.

I know the "mind" exists because I use it quite a bit. I understand a tiny bit about the brain and how its a switchboard between the thetan or being and the mind, but I haven't ever found in Scn "where" the mind is.

I can have people literally "point" to their pictures, thoughts, sensations, etc., and sometimes its in the body, on the body, around the body, over there over here, etc. etc. - but in Scn I haven't been able to find anything on the location of the mind itself.

I have my "theories" as to where it is and as to what it is - but I was just wondering if anyone here has actually seen something in writing in the Scn materials.

:confused2:
Lyn

My recollection is that Hubbard said, in the axioms of dianetics, that the mind is a control post located within the organism, though I don't think it specifies an exact location, as that would vary with the organism. My own suspicion is that this would be "located" wherever a perceptual channel being "viewed" through was reporting. In other words, the locus of the mind moves, but the processing that the mind does is all done in the cerebellum, once all the reporting and channeling has occurred (in a human being).

I think the reference, actually, would be "The Phoenix Lectures", where Ron delineates all the axioms of dn and scn at great length.

 

[Vinaire]

My recollection is that Hubbard said, in the axioms of dianetics, that the mind is a control post located within the organism, though I don't think it specifies an exact location, as that would vary with the organism. My own suspicion is that this would be "located" wherever a perceptual channel being "viewed" through was reporting. In other words, the locus of the mind moves, but the processing that the mind does is all done in the cerebellum, once all the reporting and channeling has occurred (in a human being).

I think the reference, actually, would be "The Phoenix Lectures", where Ron delineates all the axioms of dn and scn at great length.

The problem is how literally can you take Hubbard here.

The subject evolved after this. What is the final call?

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[Aliceinwonderland]

Bio-electro/mechanical.

As it is a creation - it has a location, space, energy and forms though on a different wavelength and usually outside the physical universe - though it can appear that it is in the physical universe (It is quite often actually paralleling the physical universe.).

You're saying that its a much "lighter" form of the physical universe, but still has a location and such? To know "where" it is then, would one become aware of its "parameters" or the edges of it? Since this form is a creation - is it also a "personal" creation which a person can create how big or small/heavy or light their own mind is?

I thought the mind was like a "storage tank" for remembering the different densities of the physical universe and its uses. I would think that a storage area has a location. Why wouldn't it be a simple thing to just "point" to it and say - its here or there or wherever?

What about the electrical energy that surrounds the body - I think its called the "aura"? Aren't there things stored in that? Would that be only part of the mind?

 

[alex]

You're saying that its a much "lighter" form of the physical universe, but still has a location and such? To know "where" it is then, would one become aware of its "parameters" or the edges of it? Since this form is a creation - is it also a "personal" creation which a person can create how big or small/heavy or light their own mind is?

I thought the mind was like a "storage tank" for remembering the different densities of the physical universe and its uses. I would think that a storage area has a location. Why wouldn't it be a simple thing to just "point" to it and say - its here or there or wherever?

What about the electrical energy that surrounds the body - I think its called the "aura"? Aren't there things stored in that? Would that be only part of the mind?

There are some that say that the imagined boundries between the individual consciousness's and their minds, and the minds and consciousness' of others, is just an illusion.

Hubbard didnt agree with that...but I see some truth in it.

alex

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

My recollection is that Hubbard said, in the axioms of dianetics, that the mind is a control post located within the organism, though I don't think it specifies an exact location, as that would vary with the organism. My own suspicion is that this would be "located" wherever a perceptual channel being "viewed" through was reporting. In other words, the locus of the mind moves, but the processing that the mind does is all done in the cerebellum, once all the reporting and channeling has occurred (in a human being).

I think the reference, actually, would be "The Phoenix Lectures", where Ron delineates all the axioms of dn and scn at great length.

I thought the "control post" was mentioned as the "brain" - which is most likely where I got my confusions about where the mind would be. If I thought the brain and the mind were synonymous most likely I'd not question it.

What do you think of the "aura" or electrical energy around the body? Do you think its a by-product of chemical reactions within the body? or do you think its a combination of the mind and the body?

L

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

In PDC lectures, Hubbard states the body to be part of reactive mind. Body is definitely physical and a representation of the physical universe.

The physical universe may be looked upon as "solidified agreement."

So, obviously, mind has to be beyond and enveloping the physical universe. The physical universe is a product of the mind from this viewpoint.

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My interpretation of what you're saying is that the "mind" is a much lighter form of the PU as it is mostly made up of ideas, pictures, etc. That then the particles become denser as more agreement and shape is put upon them. From there the solid PU is formed.

So, are you also saying that before the "solid" PU is formed, there is a mind that is created? That this mind is then a "pool" of info from where "beings" can create more solidities?

Is this more like a "universal" mind? But what about individual minds? Can a mind exist wherever its agreed upon? Meaning that you can have the universal mind or "storage tank" where one can get ideas, memories, etc. (maybe that's where the idea of Akashic records come from?) but also, have one of your very own, since perhaps the "mind" has a basic construct to it that we all natively share or know and have forgotten about.

So, it would be possible to point to where my own mind is, but not necessarily be able to point to a vast mind useage universally speaking?

This is all theory to me right now - I'm askin'

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I tend to think of the mind as both part of the thetan/spirit and part of the material universe.

As far as where it is, part of it is, as Vinaire said, with the thetan (outside of MEST), and one part is "in MEST".

There's some interesting research which has been done on both the Pineal and Pituitary glands which suggests that a connection/interface may be right around those areas.

On the Org Board and Livingness lecture, Hubbard theorizes that the physical universe is a reactive mind which is next (after the individual's own reactive mind) to be erased.

:confused2:

So, the picture you show would be like the switchboard or the control panel which is like the relay station between "thetan" and "mind"?

If the body dies, does the mind disappear for that person? Just where does a person recall their past lives "from" - meaning where are they getting the pictures from. Yea, I know - the mind. But is this then the "universal" mind from outside the more solid universe or is the being carrying around a mind of its own?

If a "being" sheds the mind - does it become static?

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

/facepalm/

Glasshopper -

From where could you communicate to a ______________ mind?

Somatic
Reactive
Analytical
Aesthetic
Group
Race
Planetary
Galactic


This is why you need to get the Itsa line IN. It is the action of asking a question, getting the being to LOOK, get an answer and then relay it back to the auditor that creates TA action. Eventually, the being will dis-entangle from these condensed energy fields and rise above them. It is possible that each type of mind mat have a different "location" relative to the being and the body.

How interesting. The "list" you've given here - are those labels for the different types of minds there are? Seems to be by size and qualities.

I didn't think of "types" of minds because I felt the "mind" was a construct in and of itself. What you put "in" the mind might give it some type of a label. The size of a mind could be limitless, more or less? Or it could be as small as one wants?

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Clues in red above. :baby1:

NB: when there is no "I" thought; as in deep, dreamless sleep; there is no mind present, no "here." Then, notice where the mind "is" when experiencing a personal dream. Then, where it "is" when having a consensus dream (i.e. when "awake" within concensus reality) :confused2:

I'm having a difficult time with the metaphor of "dream". Can you use a different example? :confused2:

If I'm not having any thoughts, I don't equate that with not having a mind. I equate that with being outside of the mind or creating a "space" where I'm not having any thoughts.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

There are some that say that the imagined boundries between the individual consciousness's and their minds is just an illusion.

Hubbard didnt agree with that...but I see some truth in it.

alex

Some say this whole galaxy is an illusion. But the "key" word you used in my opinion is "imagined" - which is akin to "image" - which is then a matter of how solid that image is and if its agreed upon or not.

If mind is a "construct" which holds many different "things" - then my original question was - where is it?

Do individuals have these "boundaries" and then call it a "mind"?

I thought an illusion was something which was projected to be a particular way but really wasn't. If a boundary is solid enough and others can perceive it and agree upon it, does that mean its an illusion or an agreed upon reality?

L

 

[Vinaire]

My interpretation of what you're saying is that the "mind" is a much lighter form of the PU as it is mostly made up of ideas, pictures, etc. That then the particles become denser as more agreement and shape is put upon them. From there the solid PU is formed.

So, are you also saying that before the "solid" PU is formed, there is a mind that is created? That this mind is then a "pool" of info from where "beings" can create more solidities?

Is this more like a "universal" mind? But what about individual minds? Can a mind exist wherever its agreed upon? Meaning that you can have the universal mind or "storage tank" where one can get ideas, memories, etc. (maybe that's where the idea of Akashic records come from?) but also, have one of your very own, since perhaps the "mind" has a basic construct to it that we all natively share or know and have forgotten about.

So, it would be possible to point to where my own mind is, but not necessarily be able to point to a vast mind useage universally speaking?

This is all theory to me right now - I'm askin'

This is turning out to be a very interesting query.

(1) I seem to postulate a complete nothingness with infinite potentiality that gives rise to individualities.

(2) These individualities imagine individual universes. These universes are as light or as solid as the individualities make them but this is the solidity of postulate and not agreement. There is ARC on Flow 0 (self to self) only. These universes may be looked upon as "individual minds."

(3) As these individualities interact with each other through their universes, other flows enter in (self to another, another to self, others to others, etc.) There is now ARC on these additinal flows and OTHER-DETERMINISM enters in. This may also be looked upon as entry of AGREEMENT.

(4) This now gives rise to the formation of an AGREED-UPON universe when all the individual universes overlap. This may be looked upon as the "universal mind."

(5) The "individual minds" then weave into and out of the "universal mind" and we start to get increasingly complex patterns. This may result in the "universal mind' becoming more and more powerful than any of the "individual minds." [NOTE: ESMB could become a "universal mind" more powerful that "individual minds" contributing to it.]

(6) The physical universe results from the solidification of agreements of this "universal mind."

This all is just my conjecture.

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