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Dulloldfart

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How did you come about these ideas? Why are you calling static the "core star"?

The data comes from the books of Barbara Ann Brennan. Much of her data comes from her direct perception over 20 years or so of her healing and teaching practice. Google Barbara Brennan School of Healing, or just her name, for details. I have found much in her books that seems valid, and very little that seems invalid. "Core star" because it appears as a star and is the most basic part of a person.

Paul
 

Aliceinwonderland

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The data comes from the books of Barbara Ann Brennan. Much of her data comes from her direct perception over 20 years or so of her healing and teaching practice. Google Barbara Brennan School of Healing, or just her name, for details. I have found much in her books that seems valid, and very little that seems invalid. "Core star" because it appears as a star and is the most basic part of a person.

Paul


I suppose its one way to look at it. I've noticed that if a "being" sometimes suddenly decides to let go of a lot of mass and gets totally back to realizing what it truly is, sometimes it will light up and appear as some sort of a star or light that is glowing. A whole room can suddenly get bright or warm. And as fast as it appears, it can disappear with a flash as well. But actually, I don't consider it as "static". At that point its found its basic preference of who it is, but its still a "who" with viewpoints which still makes it a spirit rather than a static (this is my opinion, of course).

To me a static hasn't reached the point of "consideration". It has none except that it can create one. There's no sensation at that point. As soon as it creates a consideration of any kind, its no longer static, IMO.

I personally think that people on a totally subconscious level fear death because it emulates (to some degree) static where there are no games, sensations or motion. Static actually isn't even close to death, but the idea of being that close to "nothing" I would imagine might bring about some real resistance to it.

The above is how I see it. I think one can get a pretty good idea if they process or audit beings without bodies. Also, sometimes a lot of meditation can bring in some idea of it as well. But this is just my view on it :)

Lyn
 

Aliceinwonderland

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Knowing "where the mind is" is a very tricky question. What is seen as a singular entity may not be such (and I'm not talking about "composite case"). A thought is not the same thing as a memory, and may be completely unrelated, except that they are both related to by that which attends (self? mind?). The language might be too sloppy to get at this "thing" informally.

Mind to me is a "thing", even if the eyes can't see it. Its a construct. If its a "thing" then where are its borders, or where does it stop and where does it begin? The borders might seem vague or fuzzy as it might not be totally solid, like a wall. It in itself, if it doesn't contain any memory or input of any kind, "seems" to be a field of energy. Maybe it would be like a computer without any software. You'd get a blank screen of some kind.


I suspect that attention is focused by person, and that the person uses the brain to do this, and that the person cannot exist without a network of perceptual channels ('perceptics') and a virtual reality generator ('imagination'), both functions presently performed by the human nervous system. Where is almost meaningless. It's like asking "where is this webpage". It's wherever it is viewed, it's in transit between Emma's server and my computer, and also wherever it's been saved along the way, and on many other end-user's computers. It's also in the perceptual connections of whoever views it. Even if the internet was destroyed by massive electromagnetic pulses from a nearby supernova tomorrow, memory of this webpage would still exist in my memory (to some extent). Less globally, the same is true for the "mind". It exists in the human nervous system, and there are many copies of it instantiated throughout the brain, and perhaps throughout the body. What's interesting to me is that it can be interrupted, without the body dying. It seems to have a variety of physical components, and a lot of redundancy, thus it can survive removal of huge portions of the brain (although this is not recommended), reconstituting in new locations in the remainder over time, with a retention of sense of self.

The question I have is - if a "being" with a body has all the vias with which to help view and store its memories and such, then how does the being carry it with it to another body. And, what if the being decides to become an animal with a lesser brain? It will not be able to "process" those memories as well.

It would seem that somehow the being can hang on to some sort of "unit" where memories are stored, but it can be toted along almost like a laptop. Like it would have to be some sort of ethereal "chip" which opens up best if there is a machine to play it on - like a body. This part I'm actually not so sure of as I haven't actually put all my attention on it, if that makes sense.

Lyn
 

Pierrot

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To me a static hasn't reached the point of "consideration". It has none except that it can create one. There's no sensation at that point. As soon as it creates a consideration of any kind, its no longer static, IMO.

I personally think that people on a totally subconscious level fear death because it emulates (to some degree) static where there are no games, sensations or motion. Static actually isn't even close to death, but the idea of being that close to "nothing" I would imagine might bring about some real resistance to it.


Lyn

that would be running "where the mind is not"?
 

Aliceinwonderland

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that would be running "where the mind is not"?

Wow! I forgot about that kind of question. That would be a tough cooky for someone who cannot conceive of being without their mind.

Just taking a look at that pops me right out of it and even a lot of thoughts. Its like an instant "result" from a good "no thought" meditation :)

Makes it easier to possibly spot where the mind is, as well.

Thanks! :D L
 

GreyLensman

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Hi

I'm not sure if I'm in the correct category - if I'm not, I can always move it.

Is someone out there so familiar with Scn materials that they can tell me where in all the materials one can find out "where" the mind is? The actual location. Not the "brain" - not the "being" or ethereal essence, etc. - the MIND.

I know the "mind" exists because I use it quite a bit. I understand a tiny bit about the brain and how its a switchboard between the thetan or being and the mind, but I haven't ever found in Scn "where" the mind is.

I can have people literally "point" to their pictures, thoughts, sensations, etc., and sometimes its in the body, on the body, around the body, over there over here, etc. etc. - but in Scn I haven't been able to find anything on the location of the mind itself.

I have my "theories" as to where it is and as to what it is - but I was just wondering if anyone here has actually seen something in writing in the Scn materials.

:confused2:
Lyn


This is going to meander... Hope it helps.

The mind (as I see it) isn't a thereness. The being parks pictures on ridges to capture a time track, and to HAVE experience. These ridges are all around the being. They have a logical location in relation to the being but not necessarily any coherent relation in space to a body.

Instead of interacting directly with the universe (and having things disappear when he accidentally looks too close and as-ises something - sees its true nature, thus causing it to no longer be...) he pushes and pulls at the ridges, directing intention and perception through them and on that via interacts with the body and the genetic entity. I'm pretty sure many many people never look directly at anything, they look at the pictures they've made of life instead, assuming they look through eyes.

Go to a museum - watch the people there with cameras, looking through the viewfinder at the art, capturing it, then on to the next painting, never looking for more than a moment at the painting directly, but capturing to look at later - and you have our current state.

Stop looking through the one-twenty-fifth-of-a-second* mechanical look at the world and life is completely different.

Thich Nhat Hanh, a Vietnamese Buddhist monk, writes about creating mindfulness in everyday life**. Basically being there every moment. I think the process I write about here is resolvable just by that mindfulness.

That awareness of now.

Or not. Up to you. But I don't think you'll find a there for a mind.

Thanks for the question - I loved taking a look at that. Loved answering too, without having to point you to your materials...

* somewhere, I think in Dianetics, there is mention of the rate at which a being mocks up pictures that form a time track - sorry, that might be from the OT Doctorate series, not sure...

** "Peacefulness is Every Step"
 
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gomorrhan

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Mind to me is a "thing", even if the eyes can't see it. Its a construct. If its a "thing" then where are its borders, or where does it stop and where does it begin? The borders might seem vague or fuzzy as it might not be totally solid, like a wall. It in itself, if it doesn't contain any memory or input of any kind, "seems" to be a field of energy. Maybe it would be like a computer without any software. You'd get a blank screen of some kind.




The question I have is - if a "being" with a body has all the vias with which to help view and store its memories and such, then how does the being carry it with it to another body. And, what if the being decides to become an animal with a lesser brain? It will not be able to "process" those memories as well.

It would seem that somehow the being can hang on to some sort of "unit" where memories are stored, but it can be toted along almost like a laptop. Like it would have to be some sort of ethereal "chip" which opens up best if there is a machine to play it on - like a body. This part I'm actually not so sure of as I haven't actually put all my attention on it, if that makes sense.

Lyn

I don't know that a being CAN hold memories or intentions across lifetimes, but I also don't know that they CAN'T. However, as a pet theory, try this on for size (not that it's new): the memories are actually "uploaded" to something like an "akashic record", which is accessible to the being in the same way as a computer can access a webpage on the internet. Perhaps the being is in some way exchanging tokens, or cookies with the akashic record, and can access his records from anywhen/anywhere, but that access is only directly accessible when the being is in a similar situation or contemplating a similar situation (state-specific memory).
 

GreyLensman

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I don't know that a being CAN hold memories or intentions across lifetimes, but I also don't know that they CAN'T. However, as a pet theory, try this on for size (not that it's new): the memories are actually "uploaded" to something like an "akashic record", which is accessible to the being in the same way as a computer can access a webpage on the internet. Perhaps the being is in some way exchanging tokens, or cookies with the akashic record, and can access his records from anywhen/anywhere, but that access is only directly accessible when the being is in a similar situation or contemplating a similar situation (state-specific memory).

I like this. It rings true in concept.
 

ThisIsIt

Patron with Honors
appropriate passage

I have been studying A COURSE IN MIRACLES. This morning I ran into this comment and thought it fit in well here. :yes:

18) Where is the mind?
Mind, as taught in A Course in Miracles and as we have just seen, is non-corporeal or non-material, unlike the brain. Therefore it is invisible and intangible. Since it is also non-spatial and non-temporal, it is impossible to answer this question, which rests on the assumption that time and space are real. The very word where connotes a spatial dimension, which is unknown to the mind. Therefore, to answer this question would be to deny the very nature of the mind, and reinforce the belief that the body is real and independent of the mind which projected it and is its true cause.



I am amazed at parts of this course when you really jump in and follow it. It sheds a lot of light on what happen to LRH and SCN to make it an ego thought system. :no: Great stuff.


My 2 cents here. :whistling:
 

Zinjifar

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I have been studying A COURSE IN MIRACLES. This morning I ran into this comment and thought it fit in well here. :yes:

18) Where is the mind?
Mind, as taught in A Course in Miracles and as we have just seen, is non-corporeal or non-material, unlike the brain. Therefore it is invisible and intangible. Since it is also non-spatial and non-temporal, it is impossible to answer this question, which rests on the assumption that time and space are real. The very word where connotes a spatial dimension, which is unknown to the mind. Therefore, to answer this question would be to deny the very nature of the mind, and reinforce the belief that the body is real and independent of the mind which projected it and is its true cause.



I am amazed at parts of this course when you really jump in and follow it. It sheds a lot of light on what happen to LRH and SCN to make it an ego thought system. :no: Great stuff.


My 2 cents here. :whistling:


I would disagree with this I think. Instead, I'd see the question of 'where is the mind' as related to such questions as 'Where is a rainbow' or 'where is the horizon'; an interaction including the physical and in relation to it.

'Where is the soul' would have a different answer for me.

Zinj
 

ThisIsIt

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I would disagree with this I think. Instead, I'd see the question of 'where is the mind' as related to such questions as 'Where is a rainbow' or 'where is the horizon'; an interaction including the physical and in relation to it.

'Where is the soul' would have a different answer for me.

Zinj

The course has very different definitions. And I am not sure that everyone posting in this thread is talking about the same thing either. :confused2:

:goodposting:
 

SleepTwilight

New Member
Jane's Addiction

Well, here's my mind.....

"Save the complaints
For a party conversation.
The world is loaded,
It's lit to pop and nobody is gonna stop...

No one...
No one!
No way!
Gonna stop,
Now; go!

Farm people,
Book wavers, soul savers,
Love preachers!
Lit to pop and nobody is gonna stop.

No one...

One come a day, the water will run,
No man will stand for things that he had done...
Hurrah!
And the water will run...
One come a day, the water will run,
No man will stand for things that he had done...
Hurrah!
And the water will run...
Will Run!
Will Run!

Gimmie that!
Gimmie that - your automobile,
Turn off that smokestack
And that goddamn radio
Hum... along with me...
Hum along with the T.V.

No one's
Gonna
Stop!"

Jane's Addiction - Ritual De Lo Habitual
 

Spork

Patron with Honors
I would disagree with this I think. Instead, I'd see the question of 'where is the mind' as related to such questions as 'Where is a rainbow' or 'where is the horizon'; an interaction including the physical and in relation to it.

'Where is the soul' would have a different answer for me.

Zinj

I agree with Zinj -- it's essential to clarify the question before trying to haul off and answer it.

For a while now (since the 1960s/70s writings of philosopher Jaegwon Kim) there's been much talk about whether the mental "supervenes" on the physical, in the sense that sameness in bodily properties implies sameness in psychological properties (but not the other way round).

Modern logic allows us to tighten this up and state the issue much more precisely. A brief overview is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervenience

(Warning: parts of this wikipedia entry presuppose familiarity with second-order logic and might seem overly technical to some.)
 

Aliceinwonderland

Patron with Honors
In looking at again. I think a good metaphor might be a "camera". The camera itself is nothing but a container which has the ability to hold film or digital chips on which one can place pictures. Today's cameras can do short videos.

So, it seems that the basic "construct" of the mind is the camera. We then have chips or film in the camera that can hold the pictures/moving images. If you take the images out, you still have the camera. You can take out and put in new ones at any time.

If you throw the camera away - you have no way of taking or storing pictures and videos.

Perhaps our bodies are the cameras and there are energy chips that help store the videos and pictures. If the body dies the camera is basically thrown away. However, perhaps there is another type of a container that hold the film and chips until another camera is found.

Kind of a rough idea of a metaphor I suppose, but this is what came up.

:) L
 

paradox

ab intra silentio vera
I sing the Universe Electric. Personally, I don't think personal memories are "carried" over (or around) after physical death but gradually disintegrate along with the once-integral body as it de-composes. Not unlike the physical computer memory storage devices dreamed up by the human mind. There is volatile ram memory and there is non-volatile memory such as magnetic hard drives, memory sticks, and so forth. But even the "permanent" storage media is only relatively so and will eventually lose it's recorded "information." I think when one rediscovers the truth of who they really are and gets over the fear of a personal death (death of the personality or individual ego) then likewise goes the fear of losing one's mind, or the version of it that is personalized with separate records of a lifetime's experience. I do think that a broader "recording" of more or less collective remembrance (what some might call "akashic") is held within the overall magnetic field of the Earth but that's a whole topic of its own.

Anyway, here's a couple of short articles that more or less address what I'm driving at. The first one gets into the context of cell phones, but that isn't the point; keep sight of the broader context in terms of memory storage. Short and pretty much written for the layman so not overly technical.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n1_v14/ai_13670068 "Magnetic Minds"

http://www.affs.org/html/biomagnetism.html "Biomagnetism and Bio-Electromagnetism: The Foundation of Life"

Also, again, Robert O. Becker's book The Body Electric, highly recommended. Clear, concise, fascinating read.

The two web pages were among the first couple of hits using the search term, "magnetite in the brain." Haven't check any of the other hits.

 

paradox

ab intra silentio vera
Here are a couple of extracts from the two articles I linked to previously. [emphasis added]

Magnetic Minds article said:
....

Kirschvink found the magnetic crystals using a fairly simple technique. In a magnetically shielded and dust-free "clean room," Kirschvink and his colleagues dissolved brain tissue in vials sealed by fingerlike glass caps that contained a strong magnet and extended down into the thick solution. Over the course of a week the magnetite crystals in the dissolved brain tissue slowly migrated through the solution to the glass wall surrounding the caps' magnets. When the researchers used a high-resolution transmission electron microscope to examine the crystals that clung to the caps, they found that a thimbleful of brain tissue contains about 5 million magnetite crystals, most of which are about a millionth of an inch long. The crystals are strikingly similar to crystals some bacteria use to tell up from down.

The researchers sampled magnetite from different areas of the brain and learned that the crystals were consistent in size, shape, and distribution, suggesting that they have some biological function. But no one knows where the tiny magnets are located in intact cells. One possibility is that the crystals could be coupled to ion channels that regulate the flow of materials in and out of cells. When exposed to strong electric fields, the tiny magnets could reorient themselves and either open the channels or slam them shut. That would affect a cell's health or its rate of activity.


....


(article continues at http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n1_v14/ai_13670068 )

Biomagnetism article said:
....

The presence of membrane-bound biomineral magnetite, which has been shown to have a biological origin, and the implication that some kind of mechanical coupling must take place between each compass magnetite particle and a mechanoreceptor, or at least a functionally equivalent mechanism allowing the position of the particle to be monitored by a sensory organelle in the body, is unique. Research has also found that the magnetite is produced by the cells of the organism when needed. Forms of advanced physical intelligence can directly tap into this information if they have a crystalline network within their brain cavity.

Scientists are now asking the fundamental question: What is magnetite doing in the human brain? In magnetite-containing bacteria, the answer is simple: Magnetite crystals turn the bacteria into swimming needles that orient with respect to the earth's magnetic fields. Magnetite has also been found in animals that navigate by compass direction, such as bees, birds, and fish, but scientists do not know why the magnetite is present in humans, only that it is there.

We have also seen in research done in the late 1980s that proteins, DNA, and transforming DNA function as piezoelectric crystal lattice structures in nature. The piezoelectric effect refers to that property of matter which may convert electromagnetic oscillations to mechanical vibrations and vice versa. Studies with exogenously administered electromagnetic fields have shown that both transcription (RNA synthesis) and translation (protein synthesis) can be induced by electromagnetic fields and furthermore that direct current in bone will produce osteochondrogenesis (bone formation) and bacteriostasis, as well as affect adenosine triphosphate (ATP) generation, protein synthesis and membrane transport.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif]Single Magnetite Crystal
in the Human Brain[/FONT]​

In the human brain, pyramidal cells are present and arranged in layers in the cortex of the two cerebra. The pyramidal cells act as electro-crystal cells immersed in extra-cellular tissue fluids, and seem to operate in the fashion of a liquid crystal oscillator in response to different light commands, or light pulses which, in turn, change the orientation of every molecule and atom within the body. Biogravitational encoded switches present in the brain allow a type of liquid network to release ions that induce currents to the surrounding coiled dendrites. Electron impulses from a neuron, on reaching the dendrite coil of the abutted cell, generate a micro amperage magnetic field, causing the ultra thin crystal, or liquid crystal in the pyramidal cell to be activated --- in a very unusual way. On flexing, this ultra thin crystal becomes a piezoelectric oscillator, producing a circular polarized light pulse that travels throughout the body, or travels as a transverse photonic bundle of energy.

According to Einstein, matter is to be regarded itself as part, in fact the principle part, of the electromagnetic field, and electric energy is therefore the fundamental origin of our entire physical world. Consequently, in work published by The Academy For Future Science it has been cited that "under present biological conditions, evolutionary development in living bodies from earliest inception follows unicellular semiconductivity, as a living piezoelectric matrix, through stages which permit primitive basic tissues (glia, satellite and Schwann cells) to be supportive to the neurons in the human system where the primary source is electrical. This has been especially shown in bone growth response to mechanical stress and to fractures which have been demonstrated to have characteristics of control systems using electricity."

.... (article continues at http://www.affs.org/html/biomagnetism.html )
 

Aliceinwonderland

Patron with Honors
I sing the Universe Electric. Personally, I don't think personal memories are "carried" over (or around) after physical death but gradually disintegrate along with the once-integral body as it de-composes. Not unlike the physical computer memory storage devices dreamed up by the human mind. There is volatile ram memory and there is non-volatile memory such as magnetic hard drives, memory sticks, and so forth. But even the "permanent" storage media is only relatively so and will eventually lose it's recorded "information." I think when one rediscovers the truth of who they really are and gets over the fear of a personal death (death of the personality or individual ego) then likewise goes the fear of losing one's mind, or the version of it that is personalized with separate records of a lifetime's experience. I do think that a broader "recording" of more or less collective remembrance (what some might call "akashic") is held within the overall magnetic field of the Earth but that's a whole topic of its own.

Anyway, here's a couple of short articles that more or less address what I'm driving at. The first one gets into the context of cell phones, but that isn't the point; keep sight of the broader context in terms of memory storage. Short and pretty much written for the layman so not overly technical.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n1_v14/ai_13670068 "Magnetic Minds"

http://www.affs.org/html/biomagnetism.html "Biomagnetism and Bio-Electromagnetism: The Foundation of Life"

Also, again, Robert O. Becker's book The Body Electric, highly recommended. Clear, concise, fascinating read.

The two web pages were among the first couple of hits using the search term, "magnetite in the brain." Haven't check any of the other hits.


Then how do you explain the past lives thing? I don't recall actually recalling anything from "akashic records".

L
 
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