Who are we?

[Pixie]

I think it was posted on one of the freezone lists too.

Here is another viewpoint on the we idea;

Yes, thank you for that Dave. This is what 'rocks my boat' for sure, however remaining in that place is the challenge but every reminder helps. Thank you, and you're very welcome here if I haven't already welcomed you. Excellen posts so far, I look forward to reading more.

 

[Dave]

Welcome, Dave.

I, too, was a scientologist.

What I was looking for in scientology was release from my "held down sevens" and the ability to help others with the same. I got a lot more than that, both positive and negative.

The reason I look backwards is twofold: one, to help myself "get over it", with whatever remaining charge I have on the subject, its founder, the organizations operating as churches, and people I knew, things I did, etc., and two because it can be fun to remember the good times (which I had many of, although it sounds like others here didn't).

It would be incorrect to say that I couldn't look forward or create new life for myself, because I certainly have. Part of integrity, however, involves being true to your past: pretending it didn't happen, repressing the whole thing, can only be bad for you. Coming to terms with it can be good for you, and this can be a long process. Similar to divorce, "they" say that it sometimes takes an equivalent time being divorced, or being out from the Church, as it took you to get truely in and staying in, in order to become fully operational again as yourself. For me, this is a truism, although I did the "decompression" in spurts over a long period of time. I feel it's behind me, now, but I enjoy talking to others who've had similar experiences, and I enjoy getting views people have concerning value and lack of value of those experiences.

I choose not to research Ted at this time for you.

Yes coming to terms with the past. I think I have, as I no longer seem to have any anger or frustration about my experiences. Although I never really had any experience that were so bad, just frustrating. Some peoples stories here are truly of horrors.

I think though that I will always have a little of the scientologist in me, no matter what. There were powerful and formative experiences associated with it for me.

Nice repsonse in kind, to my facetious enquiries about ted.

The past is behind me, I am in the now, and my future beckons.

 

[Dave]

Welcome Dave and thanks so much for posting this. I caught the tail end of this lady on NPR and really wanted to look her up but forgot.
I have felt for a few years that things are happening, big things, spiritually on this planet. I don't know if it's because of the amazingly aware people I've been around or if it's happening all over but despite all the crap that's going on I can still feel something happening and it's good and I really like it.
It's definitely not because of $cientology. Sorta perturbs me that they feel responsible. But hey I was them too. This is bigger, different. And hey if it's just all in my head who cares. I like it. It's good. Whatever. Party on, dude.

Agreed. Almost makes me want to say cosmic convergence or some other new age bit of meme-speak. Party on works too.

 

[gomorrhan]

Yes coming to terms with the past. I think I have, as I no longer seem to have any anger or frustration about my experiences. Although I never really had any experience that were so bad, just frustrating. Some peoples stories here are truly of horrors.

I think though that I will always have a little of the scientologist in me, no matter what. There were powerful and formative experiences associated with it for me.

Nice repsonse in kind, to my facetious enquiries about ted.

The past is behind me, I am in the now, and my future beckons.

I still have the part of me that was interested in scientology ideals and methods, and I still support this part, and have no interest in dismantling it. I've simply added some skills in determining whether or not a given subject is worthy of study.

 

[Pixie]

Yes coming to terms with the past. I think I have, as I no longer seem to have any anger or frustration about my experiences. Although I never really had any experience that were so bad, just frustrating. Some peoples stories here are truly of horrors.

I think though that I will always have a little of the scientologist in me, no matter what. There were powerful and formative experiences associated with it for me.

Nice repsonse in kind, to my facetious enquiries about ted.

The past is behind me, I am in the now, and my future beckons.

Well done to you!! Love these pics, am saving them for my collection.

 

[Dave]

It seems I am doing my non-e with the via of links to others thoughts, so here is a link to a different path to the central truths. Where TED is the rationalist approaching the edges of fuzzy http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/ is the fuzzy applying reason. Consciousness and reason, a powerful team.

Many interesting interviews. May I suggest;

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lmctaggart.htm

who instigated;

http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/the_experiments

Imagine what we could do with our combined intention. What would that be? What future would we envision?

 

[gomorrhan]

We'd envision what we are experiencing.

 

[Dave]

We'd envision what we are experiencing.

Quite true. I have always felt that scientologists had a miss understanding of just what a postulate was. It is not a wish, but what one was actually creating with ones expecetation of what was to be.

But what I meant when I said envision was what would we want or hope for in our future, how would we have it different. A world with our war, insanity etc? One love?

Your observation points to the likelihood that we would envision the same old shit probably.

Me? I'd like a better educated world, where some wisdom was more apparent. And the irrationalities less so. I do believe in the kind of intention effect that Lynne MacTaggart talks about, and the kind of interconnectedness of our consciousness'.

Who are we but what we have envisioned ourselves as. How do we move forward? How do we see ourselves from a detached perspective so that we can plot our course outside the rutted path we are on?

 

[Dave]

Well done to you!! Love these pics, am saving them for my collection.

Thank you Pixie for engaging with me. It is nice to be encouraged.

I swipped the pics from http://www.myspace.com/249319606 which is a bit more fuzzy than me, but fun to read.

Here's a link from it though, http://freeonlinebooks.bravehost.com/ which has pdf's of such gems as "The Master Key System" and "The Science of Getting Rich", a particular favorite of mine.

"Man's right to life means his right to have the free and unrestricted use of all the things which may be necessary to his fullest mental, spiritual, and physical unfoldment; or, in other words, his right to be rich. "

Wallace D Wattles, 1910


"Wisdom-Affirmation.

O Thou didst make a home for me
Of living cells;
a home for me.
This home of mine
is home of Thine
Thy life did make this home
Thy strength did make this home.
Thy home is perfect,
Thy home is perfect. "

Swami Yogananda From the 1925 version of “Scientific Healing Affirmations”

 

[gomorrhan]

"In dreams begin responsibilities"

I'd say if you want a different future from the present, then you probably need to decide what you want to do about that, choose a role which will allow you to create that effect, and then begin either operating in that role or preparing for that role. If you truly have the intention to do something, action in the p-u directly follows. Otherwise, the intention is to create a picture of that future, which isn't at all the same thing. Try becoming an artist.

 

[Dave]

"In dreams begin responsibilities"

I'd say if you want a different future from the present, then you probably need to decide what you want to do about that, choose a role which will allow you to create that effect, and then begin either operating in that role or preparing for that role. If you truly have the intention to do something, action in the p-u directly follows. Otherwise, the intention is to create a picture of that future, which isn't at all the same thing. Try becoming an artist.

I am, to all of the above. It is only recently that I have felt the responsibility. I am not sure what role to play, and my observation is that a lot of change is accomplished by actions that are only recognized in retrospect. So I blindly charge forward, looking at that picture that I hope is a map, constantly in doubt that I am reading it right, and enjoying the sensation of the motion. The lines of the dream blurred with the overlay of reality, failure not an option if motion the goal.