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Why Gerry Armstrong left the church.

So, how exactly did he use these admonitions? Did he use self hypnotism and then read them to induce some sort of command within himself?

I could write any amout of bull shit about myself but what would it mean, what would it do other than soil a piece of paper?

Mimsey
 
It's funny as
this week I was watching on tv
an interview and live demonstation with a celeb
magician \ illusionnist \mentalist
whatever people call it.

He demonstrated to us how they use
inflluence\persuasion tactics
to make peole choose
the card they already prepared

He did the trick
then rewind the scene
and explain all the phrases
words he used

I had my face like this :duh:
and said to myself

This is exactely what LRH did with his affirmations
and what the cult and scriptures of Ron - also processing and training
are about
We can't see it - it is very subtle under the normal awareness radar

So I tought it might explain, how, so much good and intelligent people like us might have been endoctrined and took so many years to wake up.

don't really know ..only appear possible to me :confused2:
 
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GreyWolf said:
When he found out the truth about LRH, he was outta there.

http://outofscn.co.cc/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=39
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" Here is one of those papers that made him blow" - from the article
What? It wasn't that Gerry had overts? This blows my stable datums out with regard to the Overt/Motivator Sequence!?! LOL
Another piece of Hubbard's trap was "One never withdraws allegiance once granted", or some such similar wording. That would mean a street hooker could never leave her pimp under the same illogic, would it not? What? One can't change their mind with the accumulation of more data reguarding someone whom one granted one's allegiance to prior to really getting to know them?
 
Mimsey Borogrove said:
So, how exactly did he use these admonitions? Did he use self hypnotism and then read them to induce some sort of command within himself?

I could write any amout of bull shit about myself but what would it mean, what would it do other than soil a piece of paper?

Mimsey
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See...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmation

... and further, the link to "Affirmatons New Age" contained in that article. Not saying you should believe everything you read in Wikipedia, but it's a beginning... at the end of most articles are references to more respectable materials that you can use for further study/ research.

Lots of people use this technique; you could use it. Is it a form of self-hypnosis? Possibly, probably.

Have you read the most recent posts on hypnosis on the A Bold Statement thread?

Hubbard was good at hypnotism, and in my opinoin, one of his most masterful uses of hypnosis was to tell (using hypnotic suggestion) all his "followers" that what he was doing to them, and having them do to each other, was NOT hypnosis.

This was quite a trick, as it not only opened the door (their minds) to receiving all manner of hypnotic suggestion through scientology auditing and training, but it also planted in those same followers an aversion to anything having to do with the field of hypnotism, so those same followers would not study that field and find out what was really going on.

Again in my opinion, you can learn a great deal about Hubbard and his motivations by looking at what he steered people AWAY from... all the "don't look there, don't get involved in that" suggestions, admonitions, discreditings, warnings, etc.

Your choice.
 
Thanks everyone for the great responses to this thread. You can see Hubbard, quite possible at the lowest point of his life, up until then, trying to pull himself up by the bootstraps using self hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestion. Then he later tells all of his followers that Scn doesn't use hypnosis and hypnosis doesn't work.
 
Hubbard told Scientologists:

"By 1948, through my own processing, and the use of principles I had isolated up to that time, was able to pass 100% combat physical..."

From Hubbard's 1946/1947 self-hypnosis writings.

As read into the court record by Gerry Armstrong at Armstrong vs Church of Scientology:

"You stomach trouble you used as an excuse to keep the Navy from punishing you. You are free of the Navy. You have no further reason for a weak stomach...

"Your ulcers are well and never bother you. You can eat anything. Your hip is a pose. You have a sound hip and it never hurts.

"Your foot was an alibi. The injury is no longer needed. It is well. You have perfect and lovely feet...

"When you tell people you are ill, it has no effect on your health. And in Veterans Administration examinations you will tell them how sick you are. You'll look sick when you take it. You'll return to health one hour after the examination and laugh at them.

"No matter what lies you tell others, they have no physical effect on you. You never injure your health by saying it is bad. You cannot lie to yourself..."

During 'Armstrong vs Church of Scientology', the Judge had, privately, read Hubbard's handwritten 'Affirmations', and commented on them in court. Armstrong read portions of them into the court record, to the distress of Scientology attorney, "Litt."

"Mr. Flynn: I'd be happy to have the whole document go into evidence."

"Mr. Litt: No. No. No. The words, 'By hypnosis'."
 
This'll be an awesome thread once Gerry gets here (or Caroline), their first-hand takes on things are priceless though, I'm afraid, already well documented by all parties imho.

But it'd be so nice to have an old story retold! :fire: :drama: Hey Gerry, tells us your story about finding and reading the works of LRon again!


:drama:
 
Knowledge Report

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[video=youtube;ExszMyAuiuc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExszMyAuiuc[/video]​
 
Ogsonofgroo said:
But it'd be so nice to have an old story retold! :fire: :drama: Hey Gerry, tells us your story about finding and reading the works of LRon again!


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Agree
Would be very interested in knowing all the circumstances - people's reaction in detail- Gerry's reaction

I can't imagine the sudden devastation in Gerry's mind an amount of courage to face it - A huuuuuuuuuugeeeeeeeeeee scam :duh:
 
lotus said:
Agree
Would be very interested in knowing all the circumstances - people's reaction in detail- Gerry's reaction

I can't imagine the sudden devastation in Gerry's mind an amount of courage to face it - A huuuuuuuuuugeeeeeeeeeee scam :duh:
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This has already been covered in the chapter, 'Hubbard's bogus biographies exposed' in 'Messiah or Madman?', and elsewhere.
 
I was inside Scientology for over twelve years, from 1969, to when I escaped in 1981. For eleven years I was in the organization's inner pseudo-military core, the Sea Organization (SO). There I held a number of key positions, including the Legal Officer, Public Relations Officer and Intelligence Officer on board the organization's "Flagship Apollo," from which Scientology was managed and controlled internationally. I worked with Scientology founder and director and SO Commodore L. Ron Hubbard on board the ship, and later in Florida and California.
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ref: http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/introduction.html

Gerry, what did your duties consist of as the Intelligence Officer and the Legal Officer on The Apollo? Did you have any formal Legal or Intelligence training prior to Scientology?
 
Veda said:
During 'Armstrong vs Church of Scientology', the Judge had, privately, read Hubbard's handwritten 'Affirmations'
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Hubbard's handwritten 'Affirmations'??

Was it entered into court record that the affirmations are Hubbard's handwriting?
 
Jachs said:
Hubbard's handwritten 'Affirmations'??

Was it entered into court record that the affirmations are Hubbard's handwriting?
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Off hand, I don't recall. But handwritten or typewritten, it's problematic for Scientology - CofS Scientology and outside the CofS Scientology - that the judge privately read them and then commented on them in court, that Gerry Armstrong read significant portions of them out-loud in court, which were entered into the court record, and that Scientology's attorney became upset and excited when the topic was broached.

And the 11 December 1986 "settlement" went out of its way to specifically stipulate the return of:

"All originals and copies of documents commonly known as the 'Affirmations' written by L. Ron Hubbard."

Omar Garrison, Hubbard's official biographer - whom Armstrong had assisted - also witnessed the 'Affirmations', and his testimony was taken at Armstrong vs. Church of Scientology.

From Judge Breckenridge's summation:

"As indicated by its factual findings, the court finds the testimony of Gerald and Joycelyn Armstrong, Laurel Sullivan...Omar Garrison, Kima Douglas, and Homer Shomer to be credible, extremely persuasive... In all critical and important matters their testimony was precise, accurate and rang true...

"The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder LRH. The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar...

"The writings and documents in evidence additionally reflect his egotism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or hostile.

"At the same time it appears that he is charismatic and highly capable of motivating, organizing, controlling, manipulating, and inspiring his adherents..."

No wonder the Scientologists hate Gerry Armstrong. He "besmirched the good name of L. Ron Hubbard."
 
Veda said:
Off hand, I don't recall. But handwritten or typewritten, it's problematic for Scientology - CofS Scientology and outside the CofS Scientology - that the judge privately read them and then commented on them in court, that Gerry Armstrong read significant portions of them out-loud in court, which were entered into the court record, and that Scientology's attorney became upset and excited when the topic was broached.

And the 11 December 1986 "settlement" went out of its way to specifically stipulate the return of:

"All originals and copies of documents commonly known as the 'Affirmations' written by L. Ron Hubbard."

Omar Garrison, Hubbard's official biographer - whom Armstrong had assisted - also witnessed the 'Affirmations', and his testimony was taken at Armstrong vs. Church of Scientology.

From Judge Breckenridge's summation:

"As indicated by its factual findings, the court finds the testimony of Gerald and Joycelyn Armstrong, Laurel Sullivan...Omar Garrison, Kima Douglas, and Homer Shomer to be credible, extremely persuasive... In all critical and important matters their testimony was precise, accurate and rang true...

"The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder LRH. The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar...

"The writings and documents in evidence additionally reflect his egotism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or hostile.

"At the same time it appears that he is charismatic and highly capable of motivating, organizing, controlling, manipulating, and inspiring his adherents..."

No wonder the Scientologists hate Gerry Armstrong. He "besmirched the good name of L. Ron Hubbard."
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And Gerry Armstrong is a hero who will forever be remembered for his courage.
 
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