Why Hubbard GUIDANCE Centre?

[Veda]

Oh Veda. I felt sure you would dazzle us with some relevant history from your secret collection.

OK. Plan B. . . .

When and where did Hubbard first use the term? What did he say about it? Anyone got sets of red and green volumes?

Paul

Sorry, don't have any hidden treasures on that topic, although I recall - somewhere on ESMB - an "old timer" mentioning the inception of the 'Hubbard Guidance Center' or 'HGC'.

Perhaps that could be located or the person found and consulted.

And perhaps someone could check the Red Volume 'Cumulative Index' for the first reference to HGC. Don't have mine handy at the moment.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I think you will get better guidance from a guide dog.

But...it's gotta be a standard ron dog...

Otherwise you end up with a dog's breakfast cuz you are following an out ethics dog pc...

​

 

[AnonKat]

Paul maybe this piece of background can help

http://www.religio.de/books/atack/bs3-7.htm

By the time Hubbard introduced "SP Declares," in 1965, McMaster was overseeing the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course. Any interesting ideas generated by the students would be taken to Hubbard. The "Power Processes," or "Level V," came into being this way. They coincided with Hubbard's decision that he was the "Source" of Scientology. From this time on, Scientologists were assured that Hubbard had "developed" all of Scientology and Dianetics. To quote his own words, first published in February 1965, and still a part of every major Scientology course: "Willing as I was to accept suggestions and data, only a handful of suggestions (less than twenty) had long run value and none were major or basic." 4

In the beginning, Hubbard tried to legitimize his ideas by acknowledging his debt to thinkers as diverse as Anaxagoras, Lao Tze, Newton and Freud. For a while, Hubbard had awarded the title "Fellow of Scientology" to major contributors. Time had convinced Hubbard that he alone was the fount of all wisdom.

Since its inception four years before, only Briefing Course students had received auditing at Saint Hill (right). However, with the advent of Power Processes, Saint Hill began to accept paying Preclears. A Hubbard Guidance Center came into being, initially consisting of one man, John McMaster. McMaster says huge amounts were charged to individuals for "Power" auditing, and adds, wryly, that he received none of the money. Despite the high price, Scientologists flocked to Saint Hill. The Hubbard Guidance Center rapidly increased in size.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Paul Maybe this sheds some light on the situation:

In letter [from Hubbard] to Hellen O'Brien, 1953

"... We don't want a clinic. We want one in operation but not in
name. Perhaps we could call it a Spiritual Guidance Center. Think up
its name, will you."

Thanks very much. That answers my question just fine, as to why there's "guidance" in the name but not in the action.

Paul

 

[AnonKat]

Some other mention

http://www.lightlink.com/archive/ivy/iv-10-13.txt

On page 168, line 6, L. Kin says "They were co-audited since there was
not any paid auditing for the public yet", referring to the year 1965.
I find this sentence hard to understand. When I came into scientology
in 1954, the first action I received was audited, which I paid for
from a field auditor. A year later I started the professional auditor
course (called HPA in England, Hubbard Professional Auditor), held in
the central organisation called HASI (Hubbard Association of
Scientologists International) and here there were three staff auditors
who audited members of the public for money. A year or so later I
received a twenty five hour intensive from Ray Kemp, who was a field
auditor, and a twenty five hour intensive from an auditor in the HASI
(Hubbard Association of Scientology, pre-runner of the church), both
of which I paid for. And in 1958 I was myself for a short time HGC
(Hubbard Guidance Centre) auditor. That's to say I worked for HASI
giving auditing to members of the public who paid, and a little later
I myself audited a few people as a field auditor, and they paid.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

However, with the advent of Power Processes, Saint Hill began to accept paying Preclears. A Hubbard Guidance Center came into being, initially consisting of one man, John McMaster. McMaster says huge amounts were charged to individuals for "Power" auditing, and adds, wryly, that he received none of the money. Despite the high price, Scientologists flocked to Saint Hill. The Hubbard Guidance Center rapidly increased in size.

Undoubtedly, an "eval" of the soaring affluence, spiking Gross Income of Old St Hill easily revealed this "successful action" of selling Power as the new cure-all at exorbitant prices.

The new version by Miscavige hungered for its own 'better than Ron' unique branding/legacy opportunity and thus lost the "Old St. Hill size" positioning in favor of the "Ideal Orgs".

But, it did not stray even minimally from what brought in trainloads of money...incrementally adjusting grade V "POWER PROCESSES" to the more favorably positioned "SUPER POWER".

Scientologists are savvy and discerning freedom buyers....they know value when they see it, and thus opened up their minds, hearts and checkbooks for the biggest punchline of COB's 30-year reign. An empty building where "Total Freedom" can be bought.

 

[Dulloldfart]

AnonKat, that quote is misleading. Thanks for giving the link, though. "L. Kin" is younger than I am. He seems to be referring to his delusory past-life recall as if it were fact.

Ant Phillips calls him on it in the next paragraph.

Paul

 

[AnonKat]

AnonKat, that quote is misleading. Thanks for giving the link, though. "L. Kin" is younger than I am. He seems to be referring to his delusory past-life recall as if it were fact.

Ant Phillips calls him on it in the next paragraph.

Paul

I was not yet processing it all. Thank you for clearing that up before I break my head over it.

Another mention is in the Anderson report chapter 4 (a bit down on the page)

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/audit/ar04.html

Also in the Technical Division is the Hubbard Guidance Centre (generally referred to as "HGC") which was under the control of Ross Turnbull; this centre deals with preliminary assessments of preclears, professional auditing, and co-auditing.

 

[Carmel]

Paul Maybe this sheds some light on the situation:


In letter to Hellen O'Brien, 1953
<snipped for brevity>

Thanks for posting, AnonKat.

There are a few sites where the letter is posted. On this one, http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1212&Itemid=220 , it shows that there's a bit more to that letter, so am posting here for interests sake.


(1953)

APRIL 10


DEAR HELEN

RE CLINIC, HAS

The arrangements that have been made seem a good temporary measure. On a longer look, however, something more equitable will have to be organized. I am not quite sure what we would call the place - probably not a clinic - but I am sure that it ought to be a company, independent of the HAS but fed by the HAS.

The auditor arrangements of 40% are out of line in view of what is going to be happening. The HAS will be paying for lights, quarters, stenography, reception, furniture and janitor service. These will be found to come rather high in a clinic that really starts to run if the clinic is going to be any credit to anybody. Further, it is from the HAS main line that the preclears will be coming and those preclears and the clinic revenue, now that we aren't going to try to make too much off books, are all that will support the HAS. I didn't go to all the work I went to on HAS and other things to forget that my own revenue has to be a lot better than it has been in the past. As it is right now and as it cannot continue to be I am running an awful lot of show personally on no money. If you think Detroit would occur or continue to be if I had a couple thousand, think again - newspapers are for sale in any direction, not just to the AMA. And I can't even support a press agent! All this adds up to is that a lot of expenses should be on the routine list that can't be and a lot of things that are done are paid for by my abstaining from a new overcoat. And this directly concerns such things as the clinic.

I do not in the least object to an auditor working for $200 a week, his rent and recption paid for and his preclears procured. Beyond that it gets silly. Even $200 a week is pretty silly. If I were there I'd be getting paid by somebody to work in the joint as an auditor for it means his future reputation and his current training. At most I would pay $125 a week and put two auditors on every case - current procedure here.

The preclears come in by the dozens through that mail. If we didn't have a clinic set up we'd have to watch that mail line of because of this fact. We should anyway. In Phoenix we gave them to field auditors. If we were to run there the United States Central Processing Office or whatever, we'd be able to count on ten to fifteen preclears per week at $500 for 24 hours of processing. That's real money. I have seen it happen before. We'd get more preclears at $850 per week's intensive. Charge enough and we'd be swamped. We need that money. We should not long plan to have it siphoned away. The HAS is the cause of that inflow and it is granting the favor in providing preclears and income. From that income I would like to see go into a general fund for general operating expenses from here - press, communications, stenos - at least $2,500 per month. If I had that much to operate with you couldn't see over the amount of business we'd get or the number of dead bodies piled up before trial. You get the idea. But it takes money, lots of it. The clinic, as I see it, is the most eligible bet to provide that money. For one reason, 24 hours of processing now is 500 old style. I have here a short, quick package, carefully saved. I can raise the dead, which is, of course what I mean when I say "dead bodies piled up." Resurrection would so influence public opinion.

We don't want a clinic. We want one in operation but not in name. Perhaps we could call it a Spiritual Guidance Center. Think up its name, will you. And we could put in nice desks and our boys in neat blue with diplomas on the walls and 1. knock psychotherapy into history and 2. make enough money to shine up my operating scope and 3. keep the HAS solvent. It is a problem of practical business.

I await your reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion, we couldn't get worse public opinion than we have had or have less customers with what we've got to sell. A religious charter would be necessary in Pennsylvania or NJ to make it stick. But I sure could make it stick. We're treating the present time beingness, psychotherapy treats the past and the brain. And brother, that's religion, not mental science.

Glad you are using my typewriter. I make you a clear gift of it. It's a nice little mill. I have a ten pound Olivetti here, got it from Italy, the world's tiniest but it typrs like a well greased dream.

I am writing THIS IS SCIENTOLOGY. I couldn't make it by the issue you now have.

I have wired you to the effect that the type is okay you're using in view of the price. All that is really wrong is the type masthead. Makes it look old-fashioned. Get another masthead drawn. Nice and black and simple. Also, use another type face for the headline under it. Didn't know prices could be so wide. Looks like we make it a 12 page edition every time at that price. I could review in it everything we've got to keep hold of as knowledge and do all the axioms for it as well. Then we could make the axioms into a book.

Boy, are these new ones easy to teach and work. I sent Noyga one. There are about three. Clears. Hell, I never saw so many so fast. Case V, easier than Case I! When the problem cracked, it really cracked wide open.

You'll have the most recent tapes soon. One batch has already gone to you. We're in, O'Brien -

Best regards,

Ron

 

[AnonKat]

Thanks for posting, AnonKat.

There are a few sites where the letter is posted. On this one, http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1212&Itemid=220 , it shows that there's a bit more to that letter, so am posting here for interests sake.

Thank you Carmel, building good informative thread here.

This Freezone site is always helpful

http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/1957.htm

'The Hubbard Guidance Center, located at 2315 15th Street, N.W., occupies the entire building which consists of three floors and which was purchased by the SUBJECT Organization. The center also rents farm property located somewhere along Colesville Road in Silver Spring, Maryland, on a short-term lease. The center formerly operated a branch office at 8609 Flower Avenue, Silver Spring, Maryland. In addition to the Silver Spring operation, the center has a working agreement with the Founding Church of Scientology of New York, which holds classes at Studio 847, Carnegie Hall, 154 West 57th Street, New York City. Churches of this denomination number in excess of one hundred in the United States...'

 

[HappyGirl]

Paul Maybe this sheds some light on the situation:


In letter to Hellen O'Brien, 1953

(1953)

"DEAR HELEN APRIL 10

RE CLINIC, HAS

The arrangements that have been made seem a good temporary
measure. On a longer look, however, something more equitable will
have to be organized. I am not quite sure what we would call the
place - probably not a clinic - but I am sure that it ought to be a
company, independent of the HAS but fed by the HAS.

We don't want a clinic. We want one in operation but not in
name. Perhaps we could call it a Spiritual Guidance Center. Think up
its name, will you. And we could put in nice desks and our boys in
neat blue with diplomas on the walls and 1. knock psychotherapy into
history and 2. make enough money to shine up my operating scope and 3.
keep the HAS solvent. It is a problem of practical business.

I await your reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion,
we couldn't get worse public opinion than we have had or have less
customers with what we've got to sell. A religious charter would be
necessary in Pennsylvania or NJ to make it stick. But I sure could
make it stick. We're treating the present time beingness,
psychotherapy treats the past and the brain. And brother, that's
religion, not mental science."
Best Regards,

Ron

AnonKat, is this real? Or did you or HH write it or something?

 

[Carmel]

AnonKat, Is this real? Or did you or HH write it or something?

I wondered if it was real too, HG, so I googled it. I seems real, but it is only part of the letter. See my post #29 on this thread for the letter in its entirety.

 

[Veda]

Thank you Carmel, building good informative thread here.

This Freezone site is always helpful

http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/1957.htm

It has a lot of information, from a variety of sources, some, IMO, credible, some... well, for example, re. the time Hubbard was residing in Queens, NY, with Jim Dincalci:

"L. Ron Hubbard - missing for ten months.... [from] December, 1972... LRH was abducted.. it's unknown whether LRH was replaced with a 'ringer' during the ten months or was PDHed and made dependent on pharmaceuticals... what is known is that after his 'return', he was never remotely the same..."

If a person doesn't know enough to sort through this hodgepodge of information, it can be misleading. Kind of like listening to an adoring Hubbard acolyte and "insider," after he's left the Scientology organization: presents a lot of interesting information, some more revealing than the still "zapped" person realizes, and a lot of goofy information and interpretation. The Dane Tops "briefings" are like this, as are the Captain Bill "briefings."

Kind of like Scientology itself: Truth + nonsense and stir well, except that the person who assembled this information appears to have been sincere and to have had good intentions.

 

[Veda]

AnonKat, is this real? Or did you or HH write it or something?

The letter to Helen O'Brien is quite real, and the 'religion angle' seems to have worked out quite well, don't you think?

 

[GoNuclear]

HGC?

As bad as the Hubbard Guidance Center might be/have been, at least there wasn't a Hubbard Guided Missle. God only knows what it might have hit.

Pete