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Isene

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I've had it.

Report from the front: http://isene.me/2013/05/11/wtf-cult-think/

I deliberately link whore to encourage comments on my blog for all visitors to see. I am totally fine with you discussing anything here, but really good comments would be valuable over there as well for posterity.
 
Isene

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WildKat said:
"link whore" - please explain
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Placing a link here so that you can read the OP on the blog instead. It should perhaps be called "link pimping" instead?

BTW; Feel free to cross-post or do whatever with whatever I write at any time.
 
WildKat

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Isene said:
Placing a link here so that you can read the OP on the blog instead. It should perhaps be called "link pimping" instead?

BTW; Feel free to cross-post or do whatever with whatever I write at any time.
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Thank you for the link! Awesome!

Everyone should read this. I especially like this line below, I have seen it over and over myself. A lover of LOGIC and reasoned discussion myself, sometimes you feel you are just banging your head against the wall when you touch on certain hot-button issues with the True Believer:

Challenge a Scientologist’s core belief and watch the volcanoes erupt.

It is like the fundamentalist Christian (which a True Believer Scientologist looks down on with scorn) and you see the same behavior!

They have BECOME what they hated.
 
Free to shine

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Good article Geir, it may be an idea to give a quote from the article so people are interested to click through, eg

I cross-posted “Conclusion: There are no Clears” to both the main Indie group on Facebook and the FreeZone mailing list. I also asked why the OT material should be confidential. Both were met with outrage, heat and lots of rah-rah. One guy even objected effusively, on and on, to my post on Clears while admitting he didn’t actually read the post, just the heading.

Lots of name-calling and violent opposition to even neutral questions. And it’s not only opposition to my posts, it is opposition to anyone not toeing the party-line. Just like in the CoS. I have even witnessed outright witch-hunts and lynch-mobs without the group basing the outrage on facts.
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RogerB

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Nice Blog Geir, very nice.

I think it will help a lot of people.

On your "I've Had It" comment in your post above . . . :biggrin: I have a comment.

At our level we need to be alert to what we postulate as we can inadvertently create conditions other than knowingly intended. :yes:

Of course, I'm imputing various possible interpretations and meanings into those words you wrote, and certainly don't have the specificity of the "it" that you've had! :biggrin:

The thing I've found I've had to be careful of and had to handle is the fact that I can be picking up other peoples' emotions, hatreds, upsets and reactivated case from where ever they are as I connect to them via the comm lines of these lists.

Of course, the nasty types among them want others (us) to be affected by their negative reactions. We on the other hand need to be rather precise on whose shit is whose, allow them to have it as theirs since they are creating it and to not ourselves mis-own and wear it.

So, in actuality, even though some nasty types vent with invective at us, we should not "give up" or conclude "we've had it" due to being targeted by the invective, even though we might have mistakenly not handled the traffic ideally and felt the upset ourselves as "our own."

I have found the "I am upset" because of others' invective directed at me following posts I've made that are intended to help others to be a wrong answer and indeed a mis-assignment of cause, source and ownership. It ain't my upset or charge! While it's true I may well have perceived or even experienced it, it ain't mine and I've learned to "return the shit to sender!" and to leave it there.

My attitude now days is that, if another wants to create shit, let them have it stay where they are.

In working with advanced cases one of the things I've observed has to be learned is the above truth that we do perceive the conditions emanating from others at a distance. The trick is to not mis-own it and to not be ourselves upset by it and to allow the shit to stay where it belongs.

PS: I'll make some time and post a comment on your blog.

Rog
 
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RogerB said:
Nice Blog Geir, very nice.

I think it will help a lot of people.

On your "I've Had It" comment in your post above . . . :biggrin: I have a comment.

At our level we need to be alert to what we postulate as we can inadvertently create conditions other than knowingly intended. :yes:

Of course, I'm imputing various possible interpretations and meanings into those words you wrote, and certainly don't have the specificity of the "it" that you've had! :biggrin:

The thing I've found I've had to be careful of and had to handle is the fact that I can be picking up other peoples' emotions, hatreds, upsets and reactivated case from where ever they are as I connect to them via the comm lines of these lists.

Of course, the nasty types among them want others (us) to be affected by their negative reactions. We on the other hand need to be rather precise on whose shit is whose, allow them to have it as theirs since they are creating it and to not ourselves mis-own and wear it.

So, in actuality, even though some nasty types vent with invective at us, we should not "give up" or conclude "we've had it" due to being targeted by the invective, even though we might have mistakenly not handled the traffic ideally and felt the upset ourselves as "our own."

I have found the "I am upset" because of others' invective directed at me following posts I've made that are intended to help others to be a wrong answer and indeed a mis-assignment of cause, source and ownership. It ain't my upset or charge! While it's true I may well have perceived or even experienced it, it ain't mine and I've learned to "return the shit to sender!" and to leave it there.

My attitude now days is that, if another wants to create shit, let them have it stay where they are.

In working with advanced cases one of the things I've observed has to be learned is the above truth that we do perceive the conditions emanating from others at a distance. The trick is to not mis-own it and to not be ourselves upset by it and to allow the shit to stay where it belongs.

PS: I'll make some time and post a comment on your blog.

Rog
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Isene said:
I've had it.

Report from the front: http://isene.me/2013/05/11/wtf-cult-think/

I deliberately link whore to encourage comments on my blog for all visitors to see. I am totally fine with you discussing anything here, but really good comments would be valuable over there as well for posterity.
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I enjoyed reading it, thanks:thumbsup:

A Scientologist is no different than any other fanatic. A fanatic is a fanatic and they are all, in my opinion, very fragile creatures. At that exact instance that they begins to "believe," without honest inspection, they as well, surrender all common sense and trade in logic for that security which is found in their particular and adopted belief system. All other avenues of information are then closed to them and their minds become stagnant; life's novelties are no longer sought. Why should they endeavor to find answers to life's enigmas? They've all been answered already! This unique knowledge, of course, makes the true believer arrogant and disdainful of all ideas which do not neatly fit into this holy paradigm.

And when he begins to fervently believe, and thus denying himself of the fruits of observation, it is not so much out of foolishness, I think, as is out of fear of the unknown. It is at that moment when he adopts and blindly accepts the dogmas of a manipulative Cause or Group, which offers the panacea for all which ails him, that he begins to impede his own cognitive functions. And, once he's been "saved from ignorance,"or, " given the secrets to eternal bliss" he, in this state of ecstasy, gives his mind, body and soul, to be utilized for "the greatest good" of that Cause, or - from my experience - for the greatest good of the guru.

When one questions a fanatic's belief system, no matter how delicately posed, one is perceived as a menace; an unenlightened savage and challenging monster. A mere question, or the sincere advice to perhaps look elsewhere, from an outsider, can unleash the unmitigated wrath of a fanatic, for he cannot afford such luxuries when his soul's eternity is at stake. How dare we then, blow on his house of cards?

Fear then, is the catalyst ; it is the the guiding force which forms a fanatical mind.


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ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn

ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn

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Isene said:
I've had it.

Report from the front: http://isene.me/2013/05/11/wtf-cult-think/

I deliberately link whore to encourage comments on my blog for all visitors to see. I am totally fine with you discussing anything here, but really good comments would be valuable over there as well for posterity.
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Geir,

Scientology may have the market cornered when it comes to crazy on the internet, but as far as polarity, irrationality, and group-think go, it doesn't even come close to some of the political and sports related message boards. I had a guy stalk me from thread to thread and offered to pay for my plane-fare so we could have a fist fight over what I thought of his college's football program. There are political boards I do even bother visiting anymore because some emotionally fragile right winger will devote his entire existence to censoring the board by reporting anyone who posts something that is counter to his agenda.

Maybe you were expecting a little more open-mindedness, well that's not really an option when it comes to religion, even if it is a fake religion.

Debating sports, politics or religion on the internet for anything other that entertainment purposes is an exercise in futility

There really is no point in trying to make sense of it, so just kick back and enjoy the entertainment,
 
Isene

Isene

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ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn said:
Geir,

Scientology may have the market cornered when it comes to crazy on the internet, but as far as polarity, irrationality, and group-think go, it doesn't even come close to some of the political and sports related message boards. I had a guy stalk me from thread to thread and offered to pay for my plane-fare so we could have a fist fight over what I thought of his college's football program. There are political boards I do even bother visiting anymore because some emotionally fragile right winger will devote his entire existence to censoring the board by reporting anyone who posts something that is counter to his agenda.

Maybe you were expecting a little more open-mindedness, well that's not really an option when it comes to religion, even if it is a fake religion.

Debating sports, politics or religion on the internet for anything other that entertainment purposes is an exercise in futility

There really is no point in trying to make sense of it, so just kick back and enjoy the entertainment,
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Hearing about this, I guess I have lived a sheltered life on the online forums with my predominantly nerdy interests and discussion groups. The worst I would see (well, almost) is when someone tries to talk up AOS above RPN on the HP forum :omg:
 
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