Brilliant new Freezone Website.

[degraded being]

Well, that's what happens when people can't live and let live. Let this be a lesson to you.

See below about regurgitation (from another thread).
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"I am not a Marty fan at all, but I do think that some of the criticism that comes his way is not truly valid or feasible. I think that some of the things said about him are things that, when other people do them, nobody says one thing about. It's one of the things I've noticed in the critic's movement and I think it's something one can find in other critical venues (other than re Scn, CofS, Hubbard) such as politics and so forth. That if someone is in the bad graces of those who are criticizing him or her, that just about any criticism is considered valid- even those that do not make sense. In the course of my life including 12 years on Scn critical fora, I've seen a number of arguments made that clearly came from a double standard."

WE GOT THAT!!!!!!!!

 

[olska]

Wow! I don't believe my eyes! How succinctly and how perfectly this poster has described her own characteristics and past posting history and behavior!

Anyway, I've always found that people who post commentary or send other communication (like PMs, etc) advising others to examine their motives and to change and "this and that person said this about you" themselves have questionable motives, integrity and intelligence.

Couldn't have said it better myself -- poster has written a nearly perfect self-portrait

They should ask themselves why they are making other people a project of some sort. It's just the internet bully situation which is just part of the human condition. My friends, husband and I like to talk about those sorts of posts, etc, and make fun of them.

Is this confession part of the "I'm no longer a scientologist" stance, or just a put out here for gp?

Quite an interesting thing coming out of Terril posting a happy wide eyed op in the FZ section of the board about the FZ, garnering a nasty comment from Roan and someone freaking the fuck out because I took Roan to task for it. It's just a vendetta and is just internet bullying.

Who would have thought after more than 10,000 posts acting out too many instances of "internet bullying" and "vendettas" to count, this poster would one day be inspired to actually make this admission!

Time to celebrate! Caek anyone? ...or some HRT?

 

[Voltaire's Child]

See below about regurgitation (from another thread).
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"I am not a Marty fan at all, but I do think that some of the criticism that comes his way is not truly valid or feasible. I think that some of the things said about him are things that, when other people do them, nobody says one thing about. It's one of the things I've noticed in the critic's movement and I think it's something one can find in other critical venues (other than re Scn, CofS, Hubbard) such as politics and so forth. That if someone is in the bad graces of those who are criticizing him or her, that just about any criticism is considered valid- even those that do not make sense. In the course of my life including 12 years on Scn critical fora, I've seen a number of arguments made that clearly came from a double standard."

WE GOT THAT!!!!!!!!

Got nothin' to do with this thread, tho'.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

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[Voltaire's Child]

Wow! I don't believe my eyes! How succinctly and how perfectly this poster has described her own characteristics and past posting history and behavior!

I wonder why it's a problem for some of you that I responded to a rather acerbic mean little post with a defence of Terril.

Couldn't have said it better myself -- poster has written a nearly perfect self-portrait

Would that be before or after KnightVision came in, misrepresented something on another thread, claimed I was in need of parenting, made much of the word "bitch" in my sigline and I responded to this attack?

By the way, I reported his post and I'm reporting yours.

Is this confession part of the "I'm no longer a scientologist" stance, or just a put out here for gp?

I didn't confess anything.

Who would have thought after more than 10,000 posts acting out too many instances of "internet bullying" and "vendettas" to count, this poster would one day be inspired to actually make this admission!

Well, you're the one who came in here and wrote all this ad hominem shit about me. I wasn't thinking of you or talking to or about you. So you're going to have a rather tough time making the case that I follow you around and pick on you. I responded to an ad hom post by KnightVision in which he made much of the word bitch in my sigline, said I should change and all this, and that Emma claimed I needed parenting (she did not) and that Em's thread was about me (it was about 4 people and only pertained to "old feuds" and not to any contributor's entire posting career). That was all personalized garbage and if you think I'm not going to defend myself, then you've got another think coming.

Roan was the one who wrote the first post denigrating someone- in this case, Terril. My defense of Terril is not an act of bullying.

I wrote what I wrote because I thought- no, I knew- that Roan came in to the FZ section of the board, wherein a post about an FZ site was written (which contained accolades for that site) and made a nasty comment. Had he not done that, I'd not have defended Terril. I responded to a post I found distasteful. I don't care who wrote it or what had been posted any other time by that person. Frankly, the two previous exchanges (not on ESMB but not too long ago) I had with Roan had been quite pleasant and I'd appreciated that very much. So no vendetta here.

You really should stop taking the trouble to post so much personalized crap about me. Anyone can see which one of we two contributors initiated this exchange, among others. I find it quite odd that you interpret someone standing up for herself and for her friends to be bullying yet your own personalized commentary is somehow just fine. I can only assume (not being sarcastic) that you consider that you and certain others are correct and this being the case, that anything I do to rebut or demur is morally and ethically wrong. Sort of like DM rebutting people who are making correct and negative assertions. However, the personalized bullshit posted herein only shows that you are carrying out both a vendetta and an old feud. Now what do they call that-- oh yes, the end justifies the means. IIRC, (I'm reading Trotsky's book about him now) Stalin and others used to use that same justification for their many murders of innocent people. Or brutal police who've set people up so that they'd fight back or even just ask what's going on, then press charges for "resisting arrest".

Dear Olska, I will close this by saying that for every person who talks to me the way you've done, KnightVision's done, and DB has done, there are several more who tell me I'm doing great. So why the hell would I listen to this bitter axe grinding from people who come in scream at me then accuse ME of bullying because I respond? Given the quality (and quantity, frankly) of these sorts of posts, I would be much aggrieved, sad, and experience great mental angst, anguish, self doubt and a true Dark Teatime of the Soul if you or anyone of the others so doing were to actually approve of me. Because then I'd truly know I was fucking up, big time.

Thanks for throwing yourself at me again. It was vastly entertaining and I feel very self validated.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Party on at the other house! Rock on!

Since this thread got derailed by a snipe at Terril and then several highly personalized expressions of outrage when I defended Terril and, then, myself, let's party on (for those who actually want to stay on topic) at the thread where Terril's op has been reposted with an additional explanation that the afore mentioned FZ site has some critical posts there- something one really does not often see on FZ sites. Probably why Terril had such a high opinion of it.

So this one's jacked but those who really want to comment or read about the FZ site (in the FZ section of ESMB) can read about it here. There already is free and open discussion there and it's not all pro FZ, either. But even so, it's on topic which is more than I can say for the posts about what kind of person I allegedly am or what I said on some other thread that has nothing to do with this one.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=15906

 

[olska]

I wonder why it's a problem for some of you that I responded to a rather acerbic mean little post with a defence of Terril.




Would that be before or after KnightVision came in, misrepresented something on another thread, claimed I was in need of parenting, made much of the word "bitch" in my sigline and I responded to this attack?

By the way, I reported his post and I'm reporting yours.




I didn't confess anything.




Well, you're the one who came in here and wrote all this ad hominem shit about me. I wasn't thinking of you or talking to or about you. So you're going to have a rather tough time making the case that I follow you around and pick on you. I responded to an ad hom post by KnightVision in which he made much of the word bitch in my sigline, said I should change and all this, and that Emma claimed I needed parenting (she did not) and that Em's thread was about me (it was about 4 people and only pertained to "old feuds" and not to any contributor's entire posting career). That was all personalized garbage and if you think I'm not going to defend myself, then you've got another think coming.

Roan was the one who wrote the first post denigrating someone- in this case, Terril. My defense of Terril is not an act of bullying.

I wrote what I wrote because I thought- no, I knew- that Roan came in to the FZ section of the board, wherein a post about an FZ site was written (which contained accolades for that site) and made a nasty comment. Had he not done that, I'd not have defended Terril. I responded to a post I found distasteful. I don't care who wrote it or what had been posted any other time by that person. Frankly, the two previous exchanges (not on ESMB but not too long ago) I had with Roan had been quite pleasant and I'd appreciated that very much. So no vendetta here.

You really should stop taking the trouble to post so much personalized crap about me. Anyone can see which one of we two contributors initiated this exchange, among others. I find it quite odd that you interpret someone standing up for herself and for her friends to be bullying yet your own personalized commentary is somehow just fine. I can only assume (not being sarcastic) that you consider that you and certain others are correct and this being the case, that anything I do to rebut or demur is morally and ethically wrong. Sort of like DM rebutting people who are making correct and negative assertions. However, the personalized bullshit posted herein only shows that you are carrying out both a vendetta and an old feud. Now what do they call that-- oh yes, the end justifies the means. IIRC, (I'm reading Trotsky's book about him now) Stalin and others used to use that same justification for their many murders of innocent people. Or brutal police who've set people up so that they'd fight back or even just ask what's going on, then press charges for "resisting arrest".

Dear Olska, I will close this by saying that for every person who talks to me the way you've done, KnightVision's done, and DB has done, there are several more who tell me I'm doing great. So why the hell would I listen to this bitter axe grinding from people who come in scream at me then accuse ME of bullying because I respond? Given the quality (and quantity, frankly) of these sorts of posts, I would be much aggrieved, sad, and experience great mental angst, anguish, self doubt and a true Dark Teatime of the Soul if you or anyone of the others so doing were to actually approve of me. Because then I'd truly know I was fucking up, big time.

Thanks for throwing yourself at me again. It was vastly entertaining and I feel very self validated.

Cancel the caek -- double up on the HRT.

 

[Svetka]

Actually, the website http://freezone-tech.info that was why this thread had started, has a name "Spiritual Freedom Zone". Which is just a lable. Why would anybody care so much about lables, when it is so easy to look at the thing itself and know what it is?

 

[degraded being]

Got nothin' to do with this thread, tho'.

Oh yes it has. It is the quintessential Falooofaalafi.
(Thats Fluffy in Samoan).
It's "Who you really are as a person". It's what is left when you have finished auditing out your "case" with that goddamn squirrel tech which you and your squirrels mates use.
It's what you find after you do OT 8 and find out what you are not.
It's what is at the core of the perfect balance between attack and defend in ALL your posts. They all have it: explicitly or implicitly. That's why I worried all day about how rude I was shouting at you on the board, but I return to find you graciously composed, unfazed, because I have
pointed at what is.
Olska's post complements mine.
Just give a fricken big smile, like the "Freewinds" completions, and say "Wow....just wow...I'm so like blown out" and cough up 300 000 smackers to Olska and me for being genius enough and benevolent enough to share our great wisdom with you.

 

[KnightVision]

Brilliant:


Glorious; magnificent: the brilliant court life at Versailles.

Superb; wonderful: The soloist gave a brilliant performance.

Marked by unusual and impressive intellectual acuteness: a brilliant mind; a brilliant solution to the problem. See Synonyms at intelligent.


Notes:

No, this new FZ site does not meet any of these criteria.

The FZ trots out, for the most part, LconH doctrines, rituals, various techniques, etc. Some of it is interesting and or useful...

But hardly 'Brilliant'.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Brilliant new Freezone Website.

http://freezone-tech.info/

This website is AMAZING! Incredibly comprehensive. It quotes one of
the most favorite success stories I ever posted, from a dear friend.

bb


A freezone “Wake Up Call”

(From one of our forums, with passion. Others may love it as much as I did.
bb)

============ =
I’m just pointing this out to help Y’all. I don’t need to network or meet or anything else. I could care less who is floating around without terminals. I am so tired of going out of my way to cheer people up about something or help your crotchety old asses get moving…like R.. going off and R. who knows where. Fuck Y’all..I’m set with my auditor and my ot levels. If ya can’t have some cheerleading without getting all protesty and serious just get the cable t.v. going and pray. What ever happened to getting the show on the road? What’s up with all the specualtion? This isn’t a comm ev here, this is a heart beat and a life. Break every rule. Break every rule. Get barely legal as you are. Go meet a stranger somewhere at a “meet up” and if it’s an OSA staff member, well, he got out of the org for a night. Let him talk and get some space. I’ve been in every dark corner of this
planet and you know what? People, even there, don’t really bite. We are not criminals. We are not criminals. Someone convinced us because of “trademarks” we might be criminals. You know what, don’t buy that shit. I worked at the Flag Command Bureau and watched WDC execs do questionable things.
I’ve really had it with people tip toeing around afraid to be there and communicate or walk the road to freedom because the jokers and degraders at the Flag Command Bureau have some LRH policy they NEVER DUPLICATED to use to STOP people from going FREE. YOU HAVE A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO SURVIVE WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM ANYONE. Just go for blood.
LRH did.
When you get to the top and see how much further you have to go…..on your own at last, you stop being so overwhelmed by the gift. I hate to tell you this, but you will not get all the way out with what we have here now. The whole of Scientology in all of it’s magnificence, all the way through OT8….will just wake you up somewhat. Enough to travel again with some confidence for pleasure. That’s all. To sit around all mystified and awe struck over this smidget of luck is your waste of time. You just got a lift to the last chance Texaco, get over it. Think big. This is a breadcrumb. As a simple clear I had to handle OT8’s HE&R and push them on to to a future goal. This is wizard of OZ crap after clear.Essential, important, life saving, but the bottom of the ladder. All the materials are on the net. You know this is a science. It has an exact application. This has worked. What the fuck man is this but another simple cook book and yet…there you are speculating. It will never get easier than this. If you can’t go on forward now then, look forward to being a damned cell or something. All the complexity is gone, here in the freezone. All the expence is here in the freezone. All the tech terminals you have here, you know what, if you are still bitching..well, adios. Be a cell, you know shrimp one day in my fish tank or something, now go on!.

ToBe


For more information on services in the Freezone,
mail me, Terril Park, at [email protected]


To find out more about us and to join our
forums see our websites at :-

http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs

http://internationalfreezone.net

Below one may see a British TV program of
scientology as its use.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...213741&q=begin

For those who are quite new to the subjects of
Dianetics and Scientology, we have a forum where
your questions can be answered, and there is a minimum
of the quite extensive specialised terminology of
these subjects. The forum website also has a couple of
dictionaries of scientology terms.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Freezone101

Here is a public forum set up by rebel OT VIII Geir Isene.

http://www.scnforum.org

Thanks for the link, I'll have a look soon.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Claire, there's the Freezone and the Free Space Zone (Free Zone). The Free Space Zone are the CBR Galactic Patrol guys. I think you have them mixed up. I used to confuse them until I hit on the idea of calling the CBR ones (Free Zone) the Free Space Zone — easy to remember that way.

Paul

Interesting. I did know about the RO crowd but never heard the addendum of the word "space" in there. This is the first time. Though I must say that is awfully descriptive since they do seem to be awfully space opera centric.

It was my idea to call them the Free Space Zone. I doubt if they will adopt it.

Paul

 

[Voltaire's Child]

It was my idea to call them the Free Space Zone. I doubt if they will adopt it.

Paul

LOL!

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Oh yes it has. It is the quintessential Falooofaalafi.
(Thats Fluffy in Samoan).
It's "Who you really are as a person". It's what is left when you have finished auditing out your "case" with that goddamn squirrel tech which you and your squirrels mates use.
It's what you find after you do OT 8 and find out what you are not.
It's what is at the core of the perfect balance between attack and defend in ALL your posts. They all have it: explicitly or implicitly. That's why I worried all day about how rude I was shouting at you on the board, but I return to find you graciously composed, unfazed, because I have
pointed at what is.
Olska's post complements mine.
Just give a fricken big smile, like the "Freewinds" completions, and say "Wow....just wow...I'm so like blown out" and cough up 300 000 smackers to Olska and me for being genius enough and benevolent enough to share our great wisdom with you.

You quoted a post from another thread.

And, no, I don't see any genius. Just ad hom attacks by a couple of people who seemed to be looking for the opportunity.

Now, as I told Olska, for every person like you and her and KV, I have several more telling me I'm doing great. So who'm I gonna listen to? Someone who posts a bunch of ad hom stuff and comes in on thread after thread screaming at me or...?

You'll never ever guess.

I know you'd like to see me taken down a peg...or two...or ten thousand. ..but, well,

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Brilliant:


Glorious; magnificent: the brilliant court life at Versailles.

Superb; wonderful: The soloist gave a brilliant performance.

Marked by unusual and impressive intellectual acuteness: a brilliant mind; a brilliant solution to the problem. See Synonyms at intelligent.


Notes:

No, this new FZ site does not meet any of these criteria.

The FZ trots out, for the most part, LconH doctrines, rituals, various techniques, etc. Some of it is interesting and or useful...

But hardly 'Brilliant'.

It does have some stuff by critics, though. I think that's a point in its favor.

I suspect that (and this is not sarcasm or a poke at anyone) one person's brilliant is another person's "meh". Personally, I tend to gravitate more toward critical websites like Through the Door which I think is excellent. But I'm happy that there're FZ ones, too.

 

[Terril park]

It was my idea to call them the Free Space Zone. I doubt if they will adopt it.

Paul

By the way Paul, this site links to at least one of your sites.

 

[Dulloldfart]

By the way Paul, this site links to at least one of your sites.

Yes, thank you. FZGlobal from when I was a freezoner.

Paul

 

[Roan]

Could someone clarify the difference between the Freezone and the Independent Field? Are they the same, different, or what? Thanks.

The Independent Field tends to be a bigger umbrella to include technologies that have evolved far enough beyond Dianetics and Scientology to be actually distinct disciplines (Idenics, etc.).

Freezone is more of groups who still cling to the mirage of an idea that "Scientology would be just peachy keen if only corrupt management (and mean people) were eliminated from the equation."
This has long been Fluffy's viewpoint, as she has expended millions of keystrokes over the years basically articulating what I just did in less than twenty words.
These people seem unable or unwilling to confront the fact that Dianetics and Scientology were born out of diabolical, very dark beliefs and practices wholly embraced by Satanists like Alister Crowley, Jack Parsons and the red-haired, green eyed Beelzebub himself L. Ron Hubbard.

The groups are the same to the degree they practice orthodox Scientology outside the actual management structure of Co$, RTC, CST, etc. In this respect, both Freezone and Independent Fields are like a kind of methadone... helping Scientology addicts transition back into the (clean/sober) WOG world.

Hope this helps.

 

[Dulloldfart]

The Independent Field tends to be a bigger umbrella to include technologies that have evolved far enough beyond Dianetics and Scientology to be actually distinct disciplines (Idenics, etc.).

. . .

The groups are the same to the degree they practice orthodox Scientology outside the actual management structure of Co$, RTC, CST, etc. In this respect, both Freezone and Independent Fields are like a kind of methadone... helping Scientology addicts transition back into the (clean/sober) WOG world.

"[T]o the degree that. . . ." Quite. The IndiFi guys don't usually practise orthodox Scn at all, for the reason you gave in the first paragraph, i.e., it is antiquated and there is better tech available.

Paul

 

[degraded being]

You quoted a post from another thread.

And, no, I don't see any genius. Just ad hom attacks by a couple of people who seemed to be looking for the opportunity.

Now, as I told Olska, for every person like you and her and KV, I have several more telling me I'm doing great. So who'm I gonna listen to? Someone who posts a bunch of ad hom stuff and comes in on thread after thread screaming at me or...?

You'll never ever guess.

I know you'd like to see me taken down a peg...or two...or ten thousand. ..but, well,

Dream on.