That was nearly 40 years ago. Time enough to raise two, almost three generations. Do you know if any of them had children? Or if any of them ever escaped (were 'declared' by) the cult?All were at my wedding 37 years ago. Dave married us & Jim was my best man. Phil had signed me up and was a close friend.
I am on the SP listWell, if it helps, yes, you bade the far better choice of leaving rather than staying!
I don't know Jim Leake but I did know Debbie. I am quite certain she left. I con't know about the others, though.
Heck, Mark Shreffler (sp?) left!
Loads of people left. You are in great company!
Jack
Good for you!It was after I was gone, probably because I left staff after receiving auditing and courses. I should say that without Scientology my life may have been different and worse. I got off drugs, learned to talk with people, learned how to study etc.... definitely some good
Now, that's one of the rare instances I've heard of that interaction with the clam cult has actually resulted in some good. It sounds like you had enough sense to get out while the getting was good.It was after I was gone, probably because I left staff after receiving auditing and courses. I should say that without Scientology my life may have been different and worse. I got off drugs, learned to talk with people, learned how to study etc.... definitely some good
It's just too easy to rip scn for all its many, many, many faults, but, while I can't say that without scn I wouldn't have quit taking drugs, learned to talk to people or learned to study, I can say that with it, I did.Now, that's one of the rare instances I've heard of that interaction with the clam cult has actually resulted in some good. It sounds like you had enough sense to get out while the getting was good.
"It is true, that someone in scn suggested to me that I try not taking drugs (since I knew what life was like using them) and to see how it went. I did and decides that life without was, indeed better. "It's just too easy to rip scn for all its many, many, many faults, but, while I can't say that without scn I wouldn't have quit taking drugs, learned to talk to people or learned to study, I can say that with it, I did.
To be sure, that goes only as far as it goes. One shouldn't use those and construct some grandiose array of claims about "how wonderful scn is."
It is true, that someone in scn suggested to me that I try not taking drugs (since I knew what life was like using them) and to see how it went. I did and decides that life without was, indeed better.
I went in to scn with a known issue that I had, that I hated and the HAS (comm) course directly fixed it. I grew up in America watching the John Wayne (and other) cowboy movies and others that all contained the message that "real men" look another in the eye when talking and I couldn't do that. I hated myself for that disability and good ol' TR 0 fixed it. Now, I don't claim it sent me exterior and, no, I didn't hear the sound of one hand clapping, but it did fix my problem and I'm grateful for that.
As for teaching me to study...well, I was a bit of a word/definition slut all my life.
All I'm saying is that sometimes you can learn, even from your nightmare.
Jack
Psychonaut - oooohhh, I like that! That's a new one for me! Thanks for the new word!"It is true, that someone in scn suggested to me that I try not taking drugs (since I knew what life was like using them) and to see how it went. I did and decides that life without was, indeed better. "
Yep. I knew a dude that held that sobriety was just another, even more intense, high. I can't recall his name at the moment but he was a true psychonaut.