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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

There is something to be said for the metaphorical belief in 6 impossible things before breakfast. After the caffeine kicks in, we could then tackle the possible.

I OBJECT!

1st thing in the morning for me: "Reality check: What will my body be able to do reliably today?" When I'm too sloppy with these checks, bad things can and will happen. :shock:

Just in recent weeks I've accidentally chopped my hand with my chefs knife a few times and on other days I accidentally poured boiling hot water over it.

In the life of an MSer, reality is priority nr. 1. I can still open a beer and phantasize about impossible things after my day is done. :biggrin:
 
Re: Lakey Massage Tech Works Like a Charm

Recently, at a motivational event I met an amazing lady, Pat, who has an amazing life story. After doing some terrible things in her youth, she was able to marry a Jewish multi millionaire and live with him in the lap of luxury in a mansion in Newport Beach, CA for 24 years. He has a private jet plane, a yacht which requires a crew of 14 to run it and with all of his millions, he was a nice guy, a humble and honest man. Pat's natural path, however, was spiritualism and pursuing physical health and vitality. She attempted to get her husband to join her in her life's work and he was not interested. As a result, 3 years ago, she divorced him, in a friendly divorce, similar to my own situation and she went off on her own to open a business which deals with holistic healing, exercise, eating a natural diet and various metaphysical arts as well.

I decided to sign up with her so as to drop a lot of body weight and do a lot of stretching and exercising in the bargain. I was at her office yesterday evening discussing her program and I told her that I developed my own modality, the psychic type of massage which I give. My treatment is a combination of Schiatzu massage from Japan mixed in with a bit of Touch Assist principals. Also, I seem to be using some of the principles of Mesmerism, as developed by Dr. Franz Anton Mesmer who started out in Vienna in the late 18th century.

Anyway, Pat wanted a sample of my treatment and I gave her about 20 minutes on a massage table she has in her office. This demonstration turned out to be my best massage ever and I even was able to improve my technique and expand it a bit by virtue of giving her this session.

Part of her tech has to do with the Atlas vertebra located on the back of one's skull.

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In the course of pressing on her head to release harmful static electricity from her body, I landed smack dab on her Atlas vertebra. The left side was load with problems, everything I touched was tensed up, sore and out of alignment. I checked the right side and it was not perfect but was in much better shape than the left side. I worked on the left side and I picked up perceptions of a betrayal which she suffered a year or two back and that her betrayer was a man. I told her this and she told me that the left side of the Atlas, had to do with males while the right side had to do with females.

I cleared out the left side of her Atlas and a huge amount of ugly energy came out of there and I was able to undo all the physical knots and misalignments such that the left side of her Atlas was completely cleaned out and was physically smooth and pliable. I than did the same to the right side, the female side. The right side had only a small amount of energy release. I picked up some annoyance with some of her female clients from time to time a and much stronger amount of resentment which came from her mother enforcing some bad decisions on her when she was young and under her mother's control. The right side of the Atlas cleaned up quickly.

We then ended off the demonstration. I knew that a tremendous amount of harmful energy had been released and that when she stood up, she would be looking at the world from a significantly different perspective. That proved to be the case. As she began to stand up, she said, "Oh my God, I feel totally different!" She went over and looked in the mirror and she almost had to readjust her balance and orientation because many of her anchoring points had been altered. In short, I blew her socks off! After a 20 minute demo, her whole orientation and manor of looking at the world had been reoriented. She wanted me to give a treatment to her business partner, who is also her boyfriend, the next time I come in. She said he needs it even more than she needed it.

To date, this was by far the most successful result which I have achieved using my technique and I was able to add cleaning out the Atlas vertabrta to my technique. I left the massage, went to pick up my Peruvian friend who was going to take me to dinner in exchange for driving her to various doctors during the past weeks and then while at dinner with her, my son called me and we had a fantastic phone conversation. I was totally blown out by the time I got home that but I was still able to get a good night's sleep and wake up feeling as clear as a bell with absolutely no noise or background thinking taking place in my mind.
Lakey

http://www.marieatlas.co.uk

This looks like the person who gave me an atlas session.
Same looks, accent nationality and delightful personality. Looks like same phone no, certainly EG.
I had no great gains and maybe I didn't need it in the first place.
Also I was only about the third person she tried it on. Its really
a pleasure to see her doing so well.

The theory is the trauma of birth can permanently misalign
the atlas bone. Seems quite reeasonable.

The theory that one side of the atlas can solve problems
with males and the other with females seems like new age
gobbledygook to me. Don't mean the adjustment dosn't work.
Bit like the thory of OT2 is crazy but something is working.
[ to get back on topic :coolwink:]
She used a machine that vibrated and pushed the atlas bone
around the aim was to relocate it correctly.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I have relevant experience. As I've said before it is knowledge
with no reservations. I separated from another soul, we were then
no longer composite, and I have no idea why we were for a while.
Don't think incident 2 although that is some sort of an explanation

We broke out of that composite both very alive. I still see doctors
for example :) And boy did the other half have emotions!!!!

I have looked at the possibility of rejoining as "Twin Flames".
This so far seems a dead end lest further research turns up
something.

I consider we are both part of what may be considered God.

As is anyone else reading or not. [imo]

Maybe we could rejoin as part of God? Or maybe
something else. Maybe just friends or lovers?

On L-11 ran stuff about separating from primordial theta.

That seems my path or part of it. Scn tech led me there.
How? Why? It worked for me.

Been there done that, still have to design the T-shirt.

Meanwhile some dedicated musicians have re constructed
the Finale to Bruckners 9th symphony. Dedicated to the big
guy in the sky. Parts 1&2 can be found but not altogether anymore.
This is part 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrXmNrIg2Fk

All of this seems really neat to me that you had this experience which was positive with a being.
 
Re: More on the massage session.

I got a testimonial today by email from the fitness and health guru whom I gave a 20 minute massage demo to two nights ago:

Hello Lakey!

Once again, THANK YOU for the body/cranial work last night! I really feel it opened up my “mind energies” to a deeper healing. I experienced the most vivid, powerful and metaphorical dream…it was a true healing.

..........................................................................................................

Have a great day!!


I changed my real name to Lakey, above, and deleted the body of her email which concerned her services and her price list. If anyone wants that info, just PM me.

I gave 2 massages last night to my long time Lady friend Edey and her husband at their home in Costa Mesa. No fireworks with either treatment, they were both in pretty good shape and were not dramatizing any drama. Edey had some lower back issues and her husband was a little tight because of normal type stress at his job. I tried pressing on the Atlas vertebra of both of them but there was very little going on with either of them as regards their Atlas vertibra. I worked about a half hour on both of them.

Edie has written three books which she is selling on Amazon

She has "Taking CHarge of Your Health - Enriching Your Life", " Empowerment Through Forgiveness" and "Lucid Dreams Among Us". She gave me a signed copy of all three books for free in exchange for the two massages I gave them. If anyone is interested in her books, just Google Edey Caldwell Sanders on Amazon and the books come up with descriptions of what they are about prices, etc..
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I have relevant experience. As I've said before it is knowledge
with no reservations. I separated from another soul, we were then
no longer composite, and I have no idea why we were for a while.
Don't think incident 2 although that is some sort of an explanation

We broke out of that composite both very alive. I still see doctors
for example :) And boy did the other half have emotions!!!!

I have looked at the possibility of rejoining as "Twin Flames".
This so far seems a dead end lest further research turns up
something.

I consider we are both part of what may be considered God.

As is anyone else reading or not. [imo]

Maybe we could rejoin as part of God? Or maybe
something else. Maybe just friends or lovers?

On L-11 ran stuff about separating from primordial theta.

That seems my path or part of it. Scn tech led me there.
How? Why? It worked for me.

Been there done that, still have to design the T-shirt.

Meanwhile some dedicated musicians have re constructed
the Finale to Bruckners 9th symphony. Dedicated to the big
guy in the sky. Parts 1&2 can be found but not altogether anymore.
This is part 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrXmNrIg2Fk

I see a primary reason why you are more committed to LRH tech than some of us on the thread and ESMB in general. Your sentence saying you have knowledge with no reservation is the tip off. I think it is terrific that you can make that statement and if you believe that, you certainly are going to support the tech that helped you attain that knowledge.

I do want to hear what others have to say, but to start the ball rolling, I can only cite my own experience, running past life sessions in CoS. I have vivid memories of many incidents, totally as real as earlier incidents run in this life. Still, I'm not sure if they really happened or maybe I saw a movie or read a book as a youngster which caused these pictures to enter my mind. If I could know my name and address in a past life incident and know how and when my death took place and could verify everything by checking public records, that would be enough to sell me.

I believe many other people feel the same. I ran an incident from 1938, about a year and a half before I was born into this life and I was a 13 year old boy with a name something like Mauvie and was living in the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia in a Jewish family with an older sister and my Mom and Dad. Often, Hitler was on the radio delivering speeches in German and on such occasions, a group of my Dad and 4 or 5 other men who would come over would listen to the speech. The family had a large table model radio and put it up on a table and this group of men would listen to Hitler's speech. They all were violently against Hitler and my Dad was one of the leaders of the group. The Nazi's soon annexed our area into the German Reich and my Mom was frightened that we would all be killed because we were Jews. We decided to leave the country and relocate to the west in France, Holland, or wherever, I never knew the exact country. My Dad took great pains to acquire all the legal papers, passports and Visas which we needed to legally leave the country.

My Dad drove a horse drawn wagon which contained all our belongings and the rest of us walked alongside the wagon near some railroad tracks. It was forested on both sides of the track. At a checkpoint, a Nazi Officer approached us and asked my Dad for our papers. We had papers but instead of presenting them courteously, My Dad started arguing with the Nazi official. After a few minutes, the Nazi got tired of this and threatened to arrest the whole family. Finally, my Dad got out the papers but before he handed them over, he did a little dance making fun of Hitler and imitating him in a derogatory way. Suddenly, the Nazi Officer made a large wave of the hand and up from a gully running alongside the track, about 5 German Infantry men with machine guns appeared. I had about 3 seconds to think. My last thought was, "Why was my Dad so stupid? He went to all the trouble of getting the papers only to resist handing them to the official." I was done for at age 13 and I knew it. In just that instant, the Nazi officer yelled out "Fire!" That was the last sound I heard. We were all killed instantly.

I remember every detail of this instant vividly but do I have full knowledge without reservation that it happened? No I don't. One effort which I made to reinforce my belief that it happened was to Google search Czech names of the 1930's I put in Mauve and Mauvie and many different spellings but no such name comes up. Had there been such a name or something even close, that would have been enough to give me over 90% certainty that the incident happened but no name anything close to that came up.

I'm not willing to accept running these sessions in CoS as absolute proof that something is true. Apparently, you are accepting various things you ran on OT3 as being absolute truths. Believe me, I don't begrudge you for believing them or holding the beliefs which you do. More power to you!! Maybe you could say a few words stating why you have absolute certainty that various things which you ran are certainties with no reservations. I would like to hear what you have to say. I'm sincere in requesting you elaborate a bit on this. Maybe I am missing something which you see. In any case, if you do answer my question, I believe that your answer will be extremely interesting and informative to me and other thread members.
Lakey
 
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I see a primary reason why you are more committed to LRH tech than some of us on the thread and ESMB in general. Your sentence saying you have knowledge with no reservation is the tip off. I think it is terrific that you can make that statement and if you believe that, you certainly are going to support the tech that helped you attain that knowledge.

I do want to hear what others have to say, but to start the ball rolling, I can only cite my own experience, running past life sessions in CoS. I have vivid memories of many incidents, totally as real as earlier incidents run in this life. Still, I'm not sure if they really happened or I maybe a saw a movie or read a book as a youngster which caused these pictures to enter my mind. If I could know my name and address in a past life incident and know how and when my death took place and could verify everything by checking public records, that would be enough to sell me.

I believe many other people feel the same. I ran an incident from 1938, about a year and a half before I was born and I was a 13 year old boy with a name something like Mauvie and was living in the Sudetenland in Czecholsovakia in a Jewish family with an older sister and my Mom and Dad. Often, Hitler was on the radio delivering speeches in German and on such occasions, a group of my Dad and 4 or 5 other men would come over to listen to the speech. The family had a large table model radio and put it up on a table and this group of men would listen to Hitler's speech. They all were violently against Hitler and my Dad was one of the leaders of the group. The Nazi's soon annexed our area into the German Reich and my Mom was frightened that we would all be killed because we were Jews. We decided to leave the country and relocate to the west in France, Holland, or wherever, I never knew that. My Dad took great pains to acquire all the legal papers, passports and Visas which we needed to legally leave the country.

We walked and my Dad drove a horse drawn wagon which contained all our belongings. We walked alongside some railroad tracks, it was forested on both sides of the track. At a checkpoint, a Nazi Officer approached us and asked my Dad for our papers. We had papers but instead of presenting them courteously, My Dad started arguing with the Nazi official. After a few minutes, the Nazi got tired of this and threatened to arrest the whole family. Finally, my Dad got out the papers but before he handed them over, he did a little dance making fun of Hitler and imitating him in a derogatory way. Suddenly, the Nazi Officer made a large wave of the hand and up from a gully running alongside the track, about 5 German Infantry men with machine guns appeared. I had about 3 seconds to think. My last thought was, "Why was my Dad so stupid? He went to all the trouble of getting the papers only to resist handing them to the official." I was done for at age 13 and I knew it. In just that instant, the Nazi officer yelled out "Fire!" That was the last sound I heard. We were all killed instantly.

I remember every detail of this instant in vivid detail but do I have full knowledge without reservation that it happened? No I don't. One effort which I made to reinforce my belief that it happened was to Google search Czech names of the 1930's I put in Mauve and Mauvie and many different spellings but no such name comes up. Had there been such a name or somethin even close, that would have been enough to give me over 90% certainty that the incident happened but no name anything close to that came up.

I'm not open to accept running these sessions in CoS as absolute proof that something is true. Apparently, you are accepting various things you run on OT3 as being absolute truths. Believe me, I don't begrudge you for believing them or holding the beliefs which you do. More power to you!! Maybe you could say a few words stating why you have absolute certainty that various things which you ran are certainties with no reservations. I would like to hear what you have to say. I'm sincere in requesting you elaborate a bit on this. Maybe I am missing something which you see. In any case, if you do answer my question, I believe that your answer will be extremely interesting and informative to me and other thread members.
Lakey

The separation from another being on OT2 was not a recall. It
was something I experienced a few years ago in an OT 2 session.
It happened as I described it.

The recall of separating from primordial theta was a recall on L-11
and presumably marks start of track. I don't insist it really happened
and in fact I really don't know if it was an accurate recall.
However the sensation I felt in both these incidents was similar.
 
Re: More on the massage session.

I got a testimonial today by email from the fitness and health guru whom I gave a 20 minute massage demo to two nights ago:

Hello Lakey!

Once again, THANK YOU for the body/cranial work last night! I really feel it opened up my “mind energies” to a deeper healing. I experienced the most vivid, powerful and metaphorical dream…it was a true healing.

..........................................................................................................

Have a great day!!


I changed my real name to Lakey, above, and deleted the body of her email which concerned her services and her price list. If anyone wants that info, just PM me.

I gave 2 massages last night to my long time Lady friend Edey and her husband at their home in Costa Mesa. No fireworks with either treatment, they were both in pretty good shape and were not dramatizing any drama. Edey had some lower back issues and her husband was a little tight because of normal type stress at his job. I tried pressing on the Atlas vertebra of both of them but there was very little going on with either of them as regards their Atlas vertibra. I worked about a half hour on both of them.

Edie has written three books which she is selling on Amazon

She has "Taking CHarge of Your Health - Enriching Your Life", " Empowerment Through Forgiveness" and "Lucid Dreams Among Us". She gave me a signed copy of all three books for free in exchange for the two massages I gave them. If anyone is interested in her books, just Google Edey Caldwell Sanders on Amazon and the books come up with descriptions of what they are about prices, etc..
Lakey

The girl who gave me the atlas treatment was who I remembered.
I phoned her and we had a pleasant chat. When we met 8 years ago
she worked in the cleaning business. Now she has an office in Harley
St, famous for having the best UK Doctors work there. She'd never
heard of the idea about one side of the atlas bone being used to
treat problems with one gender and vice versa.

PS might be a good career move for you?
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I see a primary reason why you are more committed to LRH tech than some of us on the thread and ESMB in general. Your sentence saying you have knowledge with no reservation is the tip off. I think it is terrific that you can make that statement and if you believe that, you certainly are going to support the tech that helped you attain that knowledge.

I do want to hear what others have to say, but to start the ball rolling, I can only cite my own experience, running past life sessions in CoS. I have vivid memories of many incidents, totally as real as earlier incidents run in this life. Still, I'm not sure if they really happened or I maybe a saw a movie or read a book as a youngster which caused these pictures to enter my mind. If I could know my name and address in a past life incident and know how and when my death took place and could verify everything by checking public records, that would be enough to sell me.

I believe many other people feel the same. I ran an incident from 1938, about a year and a half before I was born and I was a 13 year old boy with a name something like Mauvie and was living in the Sudetenland in Czecholsovakia in a Jewish family with an older sister and my Mom and Dad. Often, Hitler was on the radio delivering speeches in German and on such occasions, a group of my Dad and 4 or 5 other men would come over to listen to the speech. The family had a large table model radio and put it up on a table and this group of men would listen to Hitler's speech. They all were violently against Hitler and my Dad was one of the leaders of the group. The Nazi's soon annexed our area into the German Reich and my Mom was frightened that we would all be killed because we were Jews. We decided to leave the country and relocate to the west in France, Holland, or wherever, I never knew that. My Dad took great pains to acquire all the legal papers, passports and Visas which we needed to legally leave the country.

We walked and my Dad drove a horse drawn wagon which contained all our belongings. We walked alongside some railroad tracks, it was forested on both sides of the track. At a checkpoint, a Nazi Officer approached us and asked my Dad for our papers. We had papers but instead of presenting them courteously, My Dad started arguing with the Nazi official. After a few minutes, the Nazi got tired of this and threatened to arrest the whole family. Finally, my Dad got out the papers but before he handed them over, he did a little dance making fun of Hitler and imitating him in a derogatory way. Suddenly, the Nazi Officer made a large wave of the hand and up from a gully running alongside the track, about 5 German Infantry men with machine guns appeared. I had about 3 seconds to think. My last thought was, "Why was my Dad so stupid? He went to all the trouble of getting the papers only to resist handing them to the official." I was done for at age 13 and I knew it. In just that instant, the Nazi officer yelled out "Fire!" That was the last sound I heard. We were all killed instantly.

I remember every detail of this instant in vivid detail but do I have full knowledge without reservation that it happened? No I don't. One effort which I made to reinforce my belief that it happened was to Google search Czech names of the 1930's I put in Mauve and Mauvie and many different spellings but no such name comes up. Had there been such a name or somethin even close, that would have been enough to give me over 90% certainty that the incident happened but no name anything close to that came up.

I'm not open to accept running these sessions in CoS as absolute proof that something is true. Apparently, you are accepting various things you run on OT3 as being absolute truths. Believe me, I don't begrudge you for believing them or holding the beliefs which you do. More power to you!! Maybe you could say a few words stating why you have absolute certainty that various things which you ran are certainties with no reservations. I would like to hear what you have to say. I'm sincere in requesting you elaborate a bit on this. Maybe I am missing something which you see. In any case, if you do answer my question, I believe that your answer will be extremely interesting and informative to me and other thread members.
Lakey

I too lack absolute certainty. But that lack is good. And seems to allow me to have more certainty than before...because when I am less sure I can learn. Looking forward to hearing more of this discussion.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

There are heaps of aspects of religion and views with which I'm not familiar. I don't have a Masters Degree in Theology. My formal education was primarily in Sociology and Psychology.

But for the last three years I helped a whole bunch of fragile, aged elderly people prepare themselves and their families for their deaths.

Sometimes I saw and experienced some amazing things. All of us who have worked one-on-one for any length of time in the Aged Care field eventually do. None of my co-workers were atheists or agnostics. None in the local nursing homes, either, despite massive hiring and EOA laws. Atheists and agnostics either never applied or didn't stay long. And the elderly without religion usually worked out some sort of faith of their own at the very end. We didn't proselytise - it wasn't allowed. These things just unfolded in a natural sort of way.

Many religions revere their elderly as achieving some sort of higher wisdom. I have seen why.

If I can come out of that experience with any one view that I can state with as much certainty as one can state something that has nothing in the world to confirm it as true, it is that ending the connection in life by dying doesn't necessarily end the connection. It's just a different type of connection with a loved one after that.
 
Re: More on the massage session.

The girl who gave me the atlas treatment was who I remembered.
I phoned her and we had a pleasant chat. When we met 8 years ago
she worked in the cleaning business. Now she has an office in Harley
St, famous for having the best UK Doctors work there. She'd never
heard of the idea about one side of the atlas bone being used to
treat problems with one gender and vice versa.

PS might be a good career move for you?

I decided not to pursue a career in that field. I have a circle of ten or so relatives and friends who ask me to do the treatment and I do it for free. I've given about 100 sessions now in my life to perhaps 45 people. Of the 45, about 35 of those were demos, done for free, where I only did it once on the person and never saw them again. I have given about 5 or 6 demos to new acquaintances at events or parties where I really blew their socks off and gave them huge wins. Also with 3 or so people out of the 100, I could virtually see all their picture and know exactly what they were thinking and feeling at all times. I have given about 75% if my sessions for free and the other 25% paid by exchanging, performing a massage or a Reiki treatment on me. Only one person paid my money and I got $60 for about a $90 minute session.

What irks me is that despite demonstrating to some people that I could read their thoughts, I gave some of them some enormous wins. I gave all of them my contact info and told them that I charge a $1 a minute plus travel expense if I have to drive to them. I tell them that if they aren't able to pay and really need help, I will do a session for free. In all the years, no one has ever has ever called me to come back and do a second session. Of course, I'm talking about new people who I am meeting at events, not my friends and relatives.

To go into business I would have to undergo training at an accredited institution to get legally certified and that combined with new people never calling me for more sessions soured me on doing that for a profession.

Terril, I will ask my healing friend Pat, whose wrote the testimonial where she got that data about the left and right side representing different genders.
Lakey.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

There are heaps of aspects of religion and views with which I'm not familiar. I don't have a Masters Degree in Theology. My formal education was primarily in Sociology and Psychology.

But for the last three years I helped a whole bunch of fragile, aged elderly people prepare themselves and their families for their deaths.

Sometimes I saw and experienced some amazing things. All of us who have worked one-on-one for any length of time in the Aged Care field eventually do. None of my co-workers were atheists or agnostics. None in the local nursing homes, either, despite massive hiring and EOA laws. Atheists and agnostics either never applied or didn't stay long. And the elderly without religion usually worked out some sort of faith of their own at the very end. We didn't proselytise - it wasn't allowed. These things just unfolded in a natural sort of way.

Many religions revere their elderly as achieving some sort of higher wisdom. I have seen why.

If I can come out of that experience with any one view that I can state with as much certainty as one can state something that has nothing in the world to confirm it as true, it is that ending the connection in life by dying doesn't necessarily end the connection. It's just a different type of connection with a loved one after that.

Pat, the Holistic health and fitness guru spelled out her end of life program to me, last Tuesday night when I gave her that session. She said she has targeted living to 100 years old in near perfect health with little or no deterioration of her mental and bodily functions. When she feels her time has come, she plans on going, probably by herself, out to a beautiful part of Newport Beach, CA where she now goes to obtain solace. She plans on laying down on a lounge chair and beginning to meditate. She will continue with her meditation and as time passes and she believes the time is right, she will pass out of her body peacefully and with no pain and become at one with the cloud formations above her. She thinks she will be sentient, but perhaps a somewhat different state of being sentient than she had when she was in her body. After that she isn't sure what will happen but she is sure that she will still exist.
Lakey
 
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I too lack absolute certainty. But that lack is good. And seems to allow me to have more certainty than before...because when I am less sure I can learn. Looking forward to hearing more of this discussion.

I agree that lacking absolute certainty can be a good thing and for the same reason which you stated. If someone could get an iron clad confirmation of a past life or some other spiritual occurance, I believe that would also be good. Let's say that I was able to check Czech records from 1938 and found an article in a Czech newspaper that some 13 year old boy, his older sister, his Mom and His Dad were shot at a road side stop by German Infantrymen because the Czech Dad refused to present the family's papers to the lead German official and when he finally did present them he insulted Hitler by mocking his mustache and his mannerisms.

If such an article was ever written and I found it, that would give me full unconditional certainty that we do come back life after life. That knowledge would change my life in a big way. I believe that would be a very good thing to happen to almost anyone. If Terril believes that he has certainties of that magnitude or greater, that is really awesome!

BTW, the closest I have come was running the subject of Mozart in my XDN auditing in 1973 at CCLA. I ran that at age 13, I was sent by my parents to live at the Mozart house in Salzburg, Austria and study composition with Leopold Mozart, Wolfgang's Dad. I also told me auditor that Mozart was 19 and had just come home from a tour in Italy.

About 2 weeks later, I had a dream where I was floating near a ceiling in an 18th century large saloon full of about 40 -50 people all dressed in 18th century garb. Suddenly, someone came into the room and called out the name "Gerl", he said, "Herr Gerl, which one of you is Herr Gerl? The body right beneath where I was floating, answered, "I'm Herr Gerl, I'm right over here." Suddenly I woke up. I had only one Mozart book at that time and I looked up Gerl and he was mentioned as a bass singer who sang the role of Sarastro on opening night,

Nothing much happened for 25 years, then in 1998, my daughter asked me to drive her to the library so she could do some research for a school project. While waiting for my daughter, I noticed that the library had a Grove's Musical Dictionary. On a whim I looked up the name Gerl and there was Franz Xaver Gerl. They had a full 4 page article on him stating that his father was a major contractor, building large monumental buildings in Germany and Austria. The Gerl's oldest son Franz Xaver was gifted with a beautiful singing voice and also showed some promise as a composer. The Gerl family knew Leopold Mozart and decided to send there son Franz Xaver, then 13, to Salzburg to study musical composition with Leopold. The year was 1775 and Wolfgang, then 19, had just returned home from touring Italy. Everything in my 1973 session zctually matched up!

After studying music with Leopold, the young Gerl subsequently took studies at Salzburg University and majored in Philosophy and Physics. Combining all of this article in Grove with my 1973 auditing session I began to get the idea that maybe I was Franz Xaver Gerl.

12 years later, in 1787, Gerl was a member of the Shikaneder Traveling Troupe, putting on popular operettas in Germany. Shikaneder had also met Mozart back in Austria around 1779 when his troupe past through there putting on some Shakespeare plays. Gerl, Shikaneder and Wolfgang all renewed acquaintances in 1787 as the Shikaneder Troupe took up residence in Vienna. At just about that time, Mozart's fortunes started to wane and he began to fall into debt. Shikaneder attempted to talk Mozart into working with his troupe on a permanent basis, putting on operettas for the middle class citizens rather than full on operas for the Nobility. By 1790 they got Mozart to collaborate with them on an operetta, "The Philosopher's Stone", and the next year, Shikaneder talked Mozart into writing the music for what came to be one of the greatest and most performed operas of all time, "The Magic Flute"

The Magic Flute was a hit from its very first performance. Had Mozart lived, he would have become wealthy just from writing the Magic Flute plus he had many other irons in the fire which were about to come to fruition for him. Alas, it was not to be, in November of 1791 Mozart took ill. He was only 35 so at first no one thought much of that but he started to decline and by December 5, he died. The last day of his life, Dec 4th, Gerl and another Singer Schacht came over to sing versus from Mozart's requiem mass with the dying Mozart. As they began singing the Lacrymosa, Mozart broke down crying, he said his last words to his beloved wife Constance and went into a coma. At 2 am on Dec 5th, he died. Gerl was 6 years younger, only 29 and he was with Mozart on the last day of Mozart's life. Not only that but Mozart's oldest Son Karl is also named Franz Xaver Mozart, and it is believed that Gerl was that child's Godfather.

That's about as close as I ever came to getting official proof via records, that i lived a past life. Really, the only significant data which counts is that in my session, I was studying with Leopold at their house when I was 13 and Wolfgang was there at that time and he was 19. Grove's dictionary states Gerl was there at age 13, studying with Leopold and Wolfgang, age 19, was also living there. At the time I did that session I was not familiar with Gerl's existence except that his name appeared once in a book I had read, saying that he was the first to sing the role of Sarastro. That is the closest thing I've ever had to proving a past life but it is not conclusive, far from it.
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

^^ Good post. The nearest I've got to "confirmation" was something that happened when I was auditing solo in the building of the FZ centre I was with at the time.

At one point I suddenly got a pain (or at the least, a strong feeling of discomfort) in my neck. I called for the course supervisor to help me and, as she took me through the item I was trying to run, all of a sudden I saw the word "guillotine" flash through my mind.

No more than that - no pictures or any other information - but all the same I was shrieking with laughter (and I have to admit, swearing too) for what seemed like half an hour after that.
 
Some good advice from Mama!

Mama has a new post, short but sweet, with some good info which many people can use:

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Get What's Yours: The Secrets to Maxing Out Your Social Security

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They have lots of strategies for maximizing your take.

Everybody, whose last name isn't Buffett, needs to be reading this yesterday.

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Lakey for Mama
 
Re: Spanky Pinion and Celebrity Center Fans

Tony Ortega's Underground has a fantastic story this morning concerning Spanky Pinion. She is the one who got Travolta intp CoS. What a story! It is packed with a lot of interesting data!!

This story pinpoints why CoS is failing and falling apart. The seeds of its destruction are built into its management structure. The group will do anything to get a temporary stat or enforce their brand of justice, which is usually actually a great injustice.

Spanky wanted CoS to pay for Yvonne Jentzsch's air fare so she could fly to Flag, in Clearwater, and get auditing to "handle" her cancer. CoS wouldn't do it and Spany flew off the handle and accused a S.O. exec of murdering Yvonne. Meanwhile, Spanky had promised to meet Travolta at an airport when he was flying into L.A. The S.O. Bozo's suddenly acted, putting Spanky in the RPF, the same day she was supposed to meet J.T. The fact that she had promised vehemently to meet J.T. at the airport meant nothing to them. They thought they could just send someone else instead.

J.T. was pissed and started to lose interest in the CoS and stopped taking auditing services. CoS as was so typical, let Spanky out of the RPF to go see J.T. and bring him back into the fold. Spanky did that, regged J.T. for a huge package and got him to once again be active in CoS. Was this noticed by anybody, in the S.O? Of course not, Spanky had set up another meeting with J.T. to discuss his problems further and once again promised him she would show up. Again, her promise was broken by the S.O. when, instead of rewarding her, they put her back on the RPF! They also dead agented her to J.T., telling him she was no good and to no longer be her friend.

When Spanky is returned to the RPF, she already has one young daugher and she is pregnant again. They don't care, she is ordered back onto the RPF again. What a short sighted group and the extremely vindictive policies which they followed conspired towards their own destruction. This stuff occurred in early 1980 when Hubbard was still around and was about to go underground. This is all under Hubbard's watch, not DM's

CoS complains about lack of religious tolerance and claims people are out to get them but just look at the psychosis present in Spanky's story, really it is a microcosm of what CoS is today. They routinely do evil to those who have helped them greatly and then they wonder why their stats have crashed and they are becoming smaller and less relevant. Some day, their leadership should look in the mirror and take a good look at how they are destroying themselves but they will never do that because the policies which they follow tell them that they are never at fault, it is always the people who are working for them who are incompetent and are bringing them down.

Here is a link to Spanky's story: http://tonyortega.org/2015/03/27/go...-presley-and-escaping-scientology/#more-21247

Lakey
 
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Re: More on the massage session.

I decided not to pursue a career in that field. I have a circle of ten or so relatives and friends who ask me to do the treatment and I do it for free. I've given about 100 sessions now in my life to perhaps 45 people. Of the 45, about 35 of those were demos, done for free, where I only did it once on the person and never saw them again. I have given about 5 or 6 demos to new acquaintances at events or parties where I really blew their socks off and gave them huge wins. Also with 3 or so people out of the 100, I could virtually see all their picture and know exactly what they were thinking and feeling at all times. I have given about 75% if my sessions for free and the other 25% paid by exchanging, performing a massage or a Reiki treatment on me. Only one person paid my money and I got $60 for about a $90 minute session.

What irks me is that despite demonstrating to some people that I could read their thoughts, I gave some of them some enormous wins. I gave all of them my contact info and told them that I charge a $1 a minute plus travel expense if I have to drive to them. I tell them that if they aren't able to pay and really need help, I will do a session for free. In all the years, no one has ever has ever called me to come back and do a second session. Of course, I'm talking about new people who I am meeting at events, not my friends and relatives.

To go into business I would have to undergo training at an accredited institution to get legally certified and that combined with new people never calling me for more sessions soured me on doing that for a profession.

Terril, I will ask my healing friend Pat, whose wrote the testimonial where she got that data about the left and right side representing different genders.
Lakey.
Very neat. I had no idea about you Lakey!
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I too lack absolute certainty. But that lack is good. And seems to allow me to have more certainty than before...because when I am less sure I can learn. Looking forward to hearing more of this discussion.

Maria, your comment that lacking absolute certainty can be a good thing for you, is interesting. In our society, it seems that at least in the Western culturex, a lack of certainty tends to be a trait which is not admired. In the field of business and also in the field of romance, a lack of that trait seems to have negative connotations. For example, if one goes on a job interview and exhibits a lack of certainty, he or she may may well have eliminated themselves from being considered for the job.

The following may sound chauvinistic for me to say, but I don't mean it that way. The trait of not being absolutely certain of something may hurt a man more in life than it will hurt a woman. Clearly, this does not always apply but in our Western culture, with its "survival of the fittest", mentality, if a man shows hesitation or doubt, it is generally looked at as a negative trait. For a woman, this is often usually the case as well but maybe not as often. When courting someone of the opposite sex, if a guy acts with certainty, he is much more likely to impress most women. You hear things said about such a man such as, "What a man! He really knows who he is and what he is doing."

In opposition to this trait, we have the byline of various people, some famous for being great thinkers, to wit, "The first thing in knowing is to know that you don't know." As far as I know, this maxim is not taught to the general public in public schools in the Western world. I personally never heard that idea stated anywhere, at any level, in my education. I know that it is taught in the field of Philosophy but I never took any classes in that and thus never heard that said. The first rime I heard it said, it was said by Hubbard, in one of his taped lectures. Right away, that concept clicked with me. I believe that when I heard it, Hubbard may have attributed that maxim to Buddha. If so, it was one of the few times he did not claim something to be his own.

Maria, when you brought up the concept of not being absolutely sure as being a positive trait, at first I was jolted with a shot of surprise but after a short bit of reflection, I quickly agreed with you.

In conclusion, absolute certainty seems to be a two edged sword. In specific situations in several important facets of life, it appears to be a valuable trait, but academically speaking, that trait, when literally applied to its full extent, can and will inhibit learning more and knowing more.

There is a place for having the feeling of absolute certainty about something but some factor of judgement needs to be invoked before a person claims that he has absolute certainty about something. If one picks his or her spots and uses the term judiciously in key situations, he and his audience both can win. If the expression is tossed around too often and too easily or even inferred too often, the user of the expression may lose popularity with his public.
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

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In opposition to this trait, we have the byline of various people, some famous for being great thinkers, to wit, "The first thing in knowing is to know that you don't know." As far as I know, this maxim is not taught to the general public. I personally never heard that idea stated anywhere, at any level, in my education. I know that it is taught in the field of Philosophy but I never took any classes in that and thus never heard that said. The first rime I heard it said, it was said by Hubbard, in one of his taped lectures. Right away, that concept clicked with me. I believe that when I heard it, Hubbard may have attributed that maxim to Buddha. If so, it was one of the few times he did not claim something to be his own.
Lakey


You might like some of these, Lakey:

“I believe in intuitions and inspirations...I sometimes FEEL that I am right. I do not KNOW that I am.”
Albert Einstein

“In our reasonings concerning matter of fact, there are all imaginable degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the lowest species of moral evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence.”
David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding

“There is no such uncertainty as a sure thing.”
Robert Burns, Collected Poems of Robert Burns

For my part I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of the stars makes me dream.
Vincent Van Gogh
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

You might like some of these, Lakey:

“I believe in intuitions and inspirations...I sometimes FEEL that I am right. I do not KNOW that I am.”
Albert Einstein

“In our reasonings concerning matter of fact, there are all imaginable degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the lowest species of moral evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence.”
David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding

“There is no such uncertainty as a sure thing.”
Robert Burns, Collected Poems of Robert Burns

For my part I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of the stars makes me dream.
Vincent Van Gogh


Thanks Sheila for your very informative post! I love all the quotes.

Vincent Van Gogh was a really interesting dude, I took an interest in him and read "Lust for Life" in my late 20's. Also one of my favorite actors, Kirk Douglas, played Vincent in a movie based on the book. What a troubled man Vincent was! Very unstable emotionally but his perception of our world was extremely keen. He saw things which most of us can't see and then what a talent he had to transform his unique perceptions onto a canvas. I toured Europe in 1967 and visited the Van Gogh collection in Amsterdam. I stared at his painting of his bed in some asylum he was in late in his life. What a powerful expression that painting made on me. Years later, that whole Van Gogh collection was transferred on loan to LACMA, the huge L.A. Country Art gallery in Los Angele while the Amsterdam gallery was being remodeled.. I attended with my ex wife and kids about 10 or 12 years ago. That exhibit had some of his Japanese type paintings, he did a beautiful job on those as well.

I'm also an Einstein fan and appreciated the quote of his which you supplied us. Being a huge Mozart fan, and maybe part of his entourage in a previous existence, I recently learned that Einstein, a classical violinist who played at a professional level. was a great devotee of two classical composers. #1 by a small margin was Mozart and either tied for #1 or a close #2 was J.S. Bach. When Einstein was pondering difficult concepts in physics, he often put on music of these two master composers and more often than not, the music would aid him in obtaining the answer to the problem which he was pondering. Here is a great (but old) video of Einstein playing violin along with one of his relaivies, playing piano in a Mozart sonata for violin and piano:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQFmSnG5Ets

Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Thanks Sheila for your very informative post! I love all the quotes.

Vincent Van Gogh was a really interesting dude, I took an interest in him and read "Lust for Life" in my late 20's. Also one of my favorite actors, Kirk Douglas, played Vincent in a movie based on the book. What a troubled man Vincent was! Very unstable emotionally but his perception of our world was extremely keen. He saw things which most of us can't see and then what a talent he had to transform his unique perceptions onto a canvas. I toured Europe in 1967 and visited the Van Gogh collection in Amsterdam. I stared at his painting of his bed in some asylum he was in late in his life. What a powerful expression that painting made on me. Years later, that whole Van Gogh collection was transferred on loan to LACMA, the huge L.A. Country Art gallery in Los Angele while the Amsterdam gallery was being remodeled.. I attended with my ex wife and kids about 10 or 12 years ago. That exhibit had some of his Japanese type paintings, he did a beautiful job on those as well.

I'm also an Einstein fan and appreciated the quote of his which you supplied us. Being a huge Mozart fan, and probably part of his entourage in a previous existence, I recently learned that Einstein, a classical violinist, who played at a professional level. was a great devotee of two classical composers. #1 by a small margin was Mozart and either tied for #1 or a close #2 was J.S. Bach. When Einstein was pondering difficult concepts in physics, he often put on music of these two master composers and more often than not, the music would aid him in obtaining the answer to the problem which he was pondering. Here is a great (but old) video of Einstein playing violin along with one of his relaivies, playing piano in a Mozart sonata for violin and piano:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQFmSnG5Ets

Lakey

About 25 yrs ago I had a print of one of the van Gogh Iris series on my wall. One night I had done some LSD and looked at the print for a long time. It became clear to me that what I was seeing under the influence of psychedelics was what he saw for real. Van Gogh was not an impressionist. He was a photo-realist! And I already loved van Gogh. Had Room at Arles in my auditing room back in the day.
 
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