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Terril park said:
This is more " black PR positioning" from you.

" Cocaine inspired"

" looose lipped Crowley and cocaine- inspired "

This is ad hominem. Attack the man not the idea.

I just told you of a VERY positive spiritual being I
found on OT levels.

You going to black PR me again? You say i'm
lying?
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None of this is "Black PR positioning." It's a simple statement of fact.

Hubbard used cocaine, mostly the injected variety. Grow up and face it. As a few have noted, "He could get brilliant on the stuff." He reverted, majorly, during the 1967/68 period. That's the way it is. There are plenty of witnesses.

"Crowley inspired?" Indeed. When I first listened to the 1952 PDC lectures, I had spent about a year prior reading the works of Aleister Crowley. I was surprised to notice the similarities: Hubbard was using not only ideas, but entire sentences from Crowley's books.

Years later, talking to Ron Jr., and reading his 1970s piece 'Philadelphia', he mentioned how his father had prepared for each PDC lecture - the night before - by reading Crowley.

It confirmed what I had already observed.

As I mentioned, there is nothing in the "OT levels" about positive spiritual beings. It's a simple statement. Try to understand it.
 
Ahhhh...Yesssss!

No thread is complete until Veda has come along to slag it.

I was wondering where you were.
 
Leon said:
Ahhhh...Yesssss!

No thread is complete until Veda has come along to slag it.

I was wondering where you were.
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The only chance for Scientology to be meaningfully reformed, or at least the positives be salvaged from the negatives, is for an honest examination to occur.

You think that's being critical and "invalidative", but it's not.

I'm sorry that you can't see it.

Hubbard's largely alcohol and drug inspired early (1950 -1954, and maybe 1957/58) writings are, IMO, some of his best, strange as that may sound. That's one way he - temporarily - "rose above the bank.''

When he reverted in 1967, the results from his drug use were often less than "Brilliant," and soon turned nasty.

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=56246&postcount=798
 
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Veda said:
None of this is "Black PR positioning." It's a simple statement of fact.
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May well be. Using it to black PR ideas is another agenda.,

Veda said:
Hubbard used cocaine, mostly the injected variety. Grow up and face it. As a few have noted, "He could get brilliant on the stuff." He reverted, majorly, during the 1967/68 period. That's the way it is. There are plenty of witnesses.

"Crowley inspired?" Indeed. When I first listened to the 1952 PDC lectures, I had spent about a year prior reading the works of Aleister Crowley. I was surprised to notice the similarities: Hubbard was using not only ideas, but entire sentences from Crowley's books.
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All this is ad hominem. You are not discussing the ideas. Don't matter where they came from.

Veda said:
Years later, talking to Ron Jr., and reading his 1970s piece 'Philadelphia', he mentioned how his father had prepared for each PDC lecture - the night before - by reading Crowley.

It confirmed what I had already observed.
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So what! Crowley is in the long tradition of spiritual reseach.

Veda said:
As I mentioned, there is nothing in the "OT levels" about positive spiritual beings. It's a simple statement. Try to understand it.
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I refuted that and you ignore my statement.
 
My opinion?

Veda's right; Terril's wrong.
There's not a lot of 'somewhere in between' there.

Zinj
 
It is pointless to decide as an absolute what they are, isn't it? That applies to so called beings attached to bodies as well as to beings outside-such as Veda, Terril and Zinj. They are what they are. We are what we are, and our experiences are what they are. Our experience is what counts. It isn't anyone else's experience. About all one can ask for is honesty about what that other experience is, and was, and look at it from the basis one has, which should not be static or declining. Alan said it on another thread and I agree. Don't stand still. Do anything else and you'll likely be okay.
 
Veda said:
.... there are no positive spiritual beings to be found in Scientology's "OT Level" materials.
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Nor does he make any reference to them anywhere as being "fleas and parasites" nor that they are some sort of "degraded beings".

They are preclears to be audited and deserve the same respect and consideration that any other preclear of any other auditor gets. The auditor's code was never dispensed with as regards their auditing.
 
Leon said:
Nor does he make any reference to them anywhere as being "fleas and parasites" nor that they are some sort of "degraded beings".

They are preclears to be audited and deserve the same respect and consideration that any other preclear of any other auditor gets. The auditor's code was never dispensed with as regards their auditing.
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"You have to actually put some life into them to activate them. They're like pebbles on a beach... But listen, you're living in a universe which is crawling with this type of stuff. And planet Earth is a dumping ground to end all dumping grounds." L. Ron Hubbard, NOTs theory, 1979.

The theory of OT 3 and NOTs has to do with the degradation of beings by ancient psychiatrists, and by Xenu - that's Hubbard's bad dream.

The objective is to "blow it," and any "handling" occurs - when necessary - to make "blowing" possible.

In the past, I've audited NOTs actions, including on "PCs," but to do so for anything longer than the briefest time is a mistake, which I think you know.
 
Leon said:
Nor does he make any reference to them anywhere as being "fleas and parasites" nor that they are some sort of "degraded beings".
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He calls them fleas in the original OT VI materials, I believe. I've seen the handwritten issue.

Paul
 
The OT-3 I did had nothing to do with any concept such as "getting rid" of BTs. It was all about auditing them in order to "clear" them. It was about digging them out of the charge they had gotten into. In every way identical to the auditing of a human being. NOTs even has steps in it to get their grades in when needed.

As usual you select the worst so as to present the worst and any possibility of any good or perception of value or benefit is to be shouted down.

It all says more about you than about Hubbard. As the saying goes - His overts created an effect, yours never will.
 
I find it very peculiar how Ouija boards can summon entities from the light touch of one's epidermis. This makes me wonder if this type of board is possibly a medium that one can use to give enough will-power to a stray thetan. It is just quite intriguing to me, the notion that it requires an actual flesh and blood individual to hover the tips of his fingers lightly, with hardly any effort but only the light touch. Of all things, the Ouija board's ability to summon negative entities seem to be an unexplainable thing that I cannot find much information on. it seems people are too afraid to deal with that object.


Also, when you add to the equation that some of these body thetans are pretty much mental cases, or similar to the most drugged up, out of control individuals in a mental asylum, it is not surprising that they could be so out of control when they arise. It is also interesting to note that many posessed individuals have been able to do supernatural things such as levitate and have objects flying around the room, different voices speaking through them. Uexplainable changes in their facial structure and so on.
 
^ I guess that's why when my friend and I used to use the ouija board, it would go around in circles three or four times, then just move off the board completely. It used to happen all the time. lol
 
Leon said:
The OT-3 I did had nothing to do with any concept such as "getting rid" of BTs. It was all about auditing them in order to "clear" them. It was about digging them out of the charge they had gotten into. In every way identical to the auditing of a human being. NOTs even has steps in it to get their grades in when needed.

As usual you select the worst so as to present the worst and any possibility of any good or perception of value or benefit is to be shouted down.

It all says more about you than about Hubbard. As the saying goes - His overts created an effect, yours never will.
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Here are some posts from an earlier discussion:

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=77423&postcount=9

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=77530&postcount=18
 
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