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Boson Wog Stark

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In Going Clear Pt. 17 Marty starts hair splitting over unimportant events surrounding the publishing on his blog of Paul Haggis's eloquent resignation letter (resigning from Scientology) to Tommy Davis, as is mentioned in Going Clear, where Haggis details all his reasons for leaving the Church. Marty doesn't talk about this but as I recall, Haggis didn't fully realize that by allowing his letter to be published on Marty's blog that it would go public, and be major news, but he probably considered the possibility.

Again, this is another video segment which is something in GOING CLEAR the cult would never want current members to hear about, read, or think about, Haggis's resignation letter. Marty rambles about this in such a confusing manner that I had to refresh my own memory (through Google) about the letter.

I don't even know what Marty is trying to say, because what he mentions is of so little importance compared to the significance of the actual letter. Also, he doesn't explain what the letter is really, or why it ended up causing a minor earthquake in the media and in celebrity Scientology.

Instead, Marty uses it as a backdrop to call Paul Haggis a prima donna for his weeks of worry, consultation with Marty about this, and his waffling about the best way to exit the cult. Marty talks about this as if it were a non-event, blown all out of proportion, because Paul Haggis thinks he's so important.

In fact, Scientology's most accomplished celebrity, Paul Haggis, wanted to resign from Scientology, and stated his reasons (via the letter) in public. Of course he was worried about it! He had been in the celebrity sphere of Scientology, not the Sea Org or operational part. He wanted to maximize the positive impact, while minimizing the negative impact to friends, family, and his own career.

Paul saw how some of his close cult friends turned on him to the point they didn't want to talk to him or associate with him anymore, so he wanted to understand what could be done by people like Tommy Davis and David Miscavige, who weren't his friends. Who better to ask than Marty, who was familiar with cult operations against people like Nicole Kidman, and who knew Miscavige.

I imagine Haggis did not want celebrity Scientology or other Scientology friends dragged into ethics, so that they would suffer because of his decision to leave. At the same time he was trying to figure out how to make those people understand why he was doing this, and as I recall, he tried to reach out to many of them and was rejected. They virtually organized against him, and said "How could you do this!" without wanting to listen to his reasons. And some of these people he considered to be close friends for years.


Although Paul Haggis was not famous like Tom Cruise, his leaving Scientology was big. This was not an unknown actor like Jason Beghe, or an actor who dabbled and drifted away like Superman Christopher Reeve. Of course, it is true that Haggis had not been public about his Scientology and except for close followers of Scientology news, most of the public did not know he was a Scientologist. That was part of the surprise for much of the public. Still, he was accomplished/distinguished by his work and the awards he received from his peers in the industry.

Wright chose Haggis because his leaving Scientology caught his attention, and he considered him to be a peer, from his writing. As I recall, Wright did not know Haggis was a Scientologist until he read the news about his resigning. He needed a personalized story of at least one person, to lead a reader into Scientology and celebrity Scientology, the latter being a major theme in his book.

Marty waffles a little on not remembering if he went ahead and published Haggis's letter at Haggis's request, but seems to want to take credit that he was he, Marty Rathbun, who finally published the thing. That would kind of elevate Marty to a place in the ASC troika, wouldn't it?

Paul Haggis's resignation not only was a big event in Scientology for itself, it also had a cascade effect, spawning GOING CLEAR the book and movie. There were Hollywood actor wannabees, young, aspiring actors and actresses in the cult who read the news surrounding Paul Haggis, woke up and got out.

And Marty Rathbun helped with this! That's why Paul Haggis said he was eternally grateful. It all came out well. People were helped by his public coming out. Few people were hurt. His career is going fine, and free of Scientology. Maybe when Marty is doing his little smirk of knowingness in these videos, he's appreciating the irony that he not only helped Paul Haggis make a great exit from the cult, he helped with making GOING CLEAR, even if Wright didn't include only Marty's version of events in his book.
 
Oops...looks like he accidentally left comments enabled for Parts 17 and 18.

I'm guessing this won't make it past moderation...


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A thought - can someone look up the internet traffic to his site? I would imagine it would spike at first then drift back down. I am curious if this is reaching anyone, or if it is merely this:


[video=youtube;FWBUl7oT9sA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA[/video]
 
No, that's not public info. But you can see how many views his videos have gotten...let's update the chart:

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Not exactly Leah Remini, is he? Heck, he's not even Chris Shelton...
Yeah, about what I expected. I guess my question is why? It is not sworn testimony thus it has no value in a court of law, it's not on a Scio hate suite. Who is it's target audience? After the initial posting on the Bunker which must have driven a lot to see it, the novelty of it has worn off since he isn't doing anything much of interest. The dirt we want him to apologize for isn't likely to be forth coming.

So, again, why?

Is it simply a Miscavage "arm's length" rant that serves no purpose in the real world, but makes him feel better? Perhaps he has tired of the [edit] fawning by his staff and wants something more? To flip the bird at his detractors?

Mimsey

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Veda

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Yeah, about what I expected. I guess my question is why? It is not sworn testimony thus it has no value in a court of law, it's not on a Scio hate suite. Who is it's target audience? After the initial posting on the Bunker which must have driven a lot to see it, the novelty of it has worn off since he isn't doing anything much of interest. The dirt we want him to apologize for isn't likely to be forth coming.

So, again, why?

Miscavige is having Marty jump through hoops for Miscavige's entertainment.

Is it simply a Miscavage "arm's length" rant that serves no purpose in the real world, but makes him feel better? Perhaps he has tired of the Trumpesque fawning by his staff and wants something more? To flip the bird at his detractors?

Mimsey

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There's no more fawning around this first full cabinet meeting than there was around any other first full cabinet meeting of any prior administration. If you want to discuss politics, then start an off topic thread. Please don't make this a political thread.
 

Operating DB

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I haven't watched any of Marty the martyrs more recent videos (the first 8 almost sent me into a coma) but they reminded me shockingly of what it felt like to be trapped in scientology ... scientologists love words, wordy wordy wordy wordy WORDS and utterly pointless (often imagined) details and suspicions.

I probably shouldn't tell this story but I'm a bit beyond caring and have nothing to lose, so I think I will.

Long ago, when I was still married to a "senior" oatee, highly trained, eventually ex-staff scientologist, I felt obliged to listen (well, pretend to listen) to endless streams of waffle, astonishing (not!) "philosophical realisations" worded for full and glorious effect ... and there was always lots of slow head nodding, eye contact, mysterious smiling/knowing smirks to accompany the prattle and quite often (stay with me) teary acknowledgements to "the old man" ... tubs hubbard himself.

:nervous:

After a while (at the first sign of an incoming verbal onslaught) my blood used to start to boil, my teeth automatically gritted and in my mind I would yell "I'm busy, will you just STFU ... go and walk in the fresh air, think about something or someone else for a few minutes, just do something that is actually useful ... get your attention off yourself, hubbard and the ramblings of the cult" ... I never said it out loud though (he was a lot bigger than me and he had a terrifying temper) but the good news is that I eventually managed to extricate myself from his grip (the relief was immediate and lasts to this day) and incredibly my hearing returned to normal after just a few weeks.

Scientology is one big introvertive head screw ... I'd rather be dead than ever again have to listen to that pointless, never-ending slop.

Living with Marty the martyr must be exhausting and by now Mosey will have earned every penny coming her way ... but I doubt if her hearing will ever be quite the same again and in quieter moments (if they exist) she must wonder what life would have been like without being up to her neck in the detritus of scientology and all the over analysing that seems to come with it.

It's so good to be out.

Yeah! What's with wordy scientologists anyways? The obsession with using sicneotlogy words and acronyms. Not just scios that are in but those that have escaped and are in the process of unraveling and write super long posts. I still have my post escape write ups and letters and they certainly are wordy and tl;dr-ey.

I wonder if there is a some kind of hypnotic thing that hubbard utilized by being wordy and hence his subjects becoming all trancy and stuff.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQKKHFcCvjk

Rathbun is saying that John Sweeney's 2007 report on Scientology (his first report, the one in which Tommy Davis bullied him) was a "trolling operation" with "no subject of investigation". Supposedly, Sweeney and his producer told Rathbun that their 2007 report was merely meant to cause Scientology to respond in an unseemly manner which they (Sweeney and his co-workers) intended to document. Once more, this is another case of Rathbun vs. Rathbun. The following is taken from a post Rathbun wrote on May 2010, all emphasizes were added by me:

Panorama’s John Sweeney actually connected the dots on all this. Sweeney can investigate, folks. Why do you think DM worked so hard utilizing reverse Scientology tactics to make him snap? Do you realize the crux of Sweeney’s 2007 investigation was evidence that Miscavige beat people on a regular basis? The effort and money that Miscavige devotes to discrediting Sweeney is directly proportional to the investigative skills and persistence of Sweeney. Stayed tuned.

I'm assuming that all this stuff about Miscavige hitting people is what Sweeney had to remove (according to Rathbun) from his 2007 report:

Notwithstanding, Miscavige no doubt congratulated himself for having had a significant in terrorem editing effect upon the BBC. Reporter John Sweeney and his producer were apologetic after their one-hour documentary aired. Too much of the truth they had recorded, and intended to report, fell to the editing room floor at the over-the-top, threatening insistence of David Miscavige’s Scientology Inc. attack dogs.
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
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The difficulty and cost of bringing down a "religion" is great for federal agencies and someone has to get really motivated and laser focused.
<snip>
I think that's the main barrier to anything being done.

Any federal legal agency/decision maker is gonna think quite differently
about all things COS than we do. He/she's gonna ask:

  • Do I have a chance of winning this case?
  • How many millions out of my budget is it gonna cost?
  • How much money do they have to fight me?
  • Can I win it even in less than a decade?
  • What's it gonna do for my career?
  • Will it get me a promotion?
  • Will I get burned on appeal because of religious protections?
  • Will I get much press and positive notoriety?
  • What more important issues do I have on my plate?
  • Where can I get the biggest bang for the buck for my career?
Truth, justice and the American way might not be his/her first thought,
but likely more self-serving motives and practical financial questions.

Many federal cases against corporations end up as financial settlements
because the corporations can afford to hire the very best lawyers in the
world and it can take over ten years to nail a criminal executive. The
federal agency just goes for the quicker win and the money instead.
Just the way of the world anymore sadly.
 
Miscavige is having Marty jump through hoops for Miscavige's entertainment.

There's no more fawning around this first full cabinet meeting than there was around any other first full cabinet meeting of any prior administration. If you want to discuss politics, then start an off topic thread. Please don't make this a political thread.
I am sorry you took it as a political derail, that wasn't my intention.

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ILove2Lurk

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Lurker5

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Hasn't the recent sick/whacko assassination attempt on GOP lawmakers AT A PRACTICE FOR AN ANNUAL FRIENDLY BI-PARTISON CHARITY BALL GAME - some folks there with their kids - had any effect on the folks spewing the hatred and vile innuendo? I know it would have me rethinking my social media behavior if I'd been doing it . . .

But mia culpa, I have done that same thing here - about Marty. And now I am regretting that - a bit (oh dear). I hate scn/co$/osa - not the people in it - the poor deluded souls. I certainly like the ones who've gotten out, and speak out, and post here, at the Bunker and at Mike's - and other forums.

Marty has been out, and I withheld judgement - for all these years. I thought he was doing good, struggling, stumbling, fowling up, recovering a bit more with every trip and fall, misjudgment and fitful rage. But I really thought he'd make it. Even when he finally shut the fuck up after the firing of his wife's attorneys and the end of the lawsuit. Just go away and live your life Marty - spew your hatred, blame others for your own shit, get it out, and move on. Get a life and live it. Zip the mouth - be done with it.

But no, the guy just can't shut the fuck up. He is still raging - at the WRONG targets. HE WANTS THE ATTENTION, good or bad, like Charles Manson wanted to be famous- didn't care for what - and he made it to the cover of the Rolling Stone for having innocent people murdered - and he was in Heaven in his prison cell for that - all that attention. Made him feel like a God. Oh, wait, make that Satan, scaring good folks all over the Nation, cutting an X into his forehead, then making that into a swastika - to spite all of us - the good folks - that he envies, hates and despises.

How you feeling now Marty for murdering your own soul? How do you think this plays out for your future - and the future of your family? Shame on you - if you can even feel it anymore.
How's that scno tech working for ya there?

Marty going THAT route pisses me off. He was OUT, but he turned back, in a treacherous act of betrayal and revenge - because some people mention his wife and kid. Fuck you Marty. I hate what you have done. You did this to yourself, you are getting what you deserve.

Still if someone goes after him, well, shame on me.

People have a right to speak their minds, but we are all responsible for our words - and the damage they do, whether it is enticing someone to go ahead and kill themselves, or encouraging some nut job to go after the 'object' of their hatred, or staging a play that assassinates a 'stand-in' for our lawfully elected President - or holds a bloody replica of his head up just whoring for media attention. Whether you agree with him or not, whether it is your Party or not, this kind of behavior is appalling. It happens on both sides, but this time around guess who gets the prize - surprise surprise . . . . :sadsigh:

I am not picking on anyone - we are all doing it, in one way or another - it is the nature of the internet and social media. Maybe it is time we NOTICED - and started recognizing our own participation in this . . . Owning it. Instead of being like Marty - and others - and projecting 'it' onto our 'enemies', blaming 'others'. :mirror: :unsure::nervous:
 
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JustSheila

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Hasn't the recent sick/whacko assassination attempt on GOP lawmakers AT A PRACTICE FOR AN ANNUAL FRIENDLY BI-PARTISON CHARITY BALL GAME - some folks there with their kids - had any effect on the folks spewing the hatred and vile innuendo? I know it would have me rethinking my social media behavior if I'd been doing it . . .

But mia culpa, I have done that same thing here - about Marty. And now I am regretting that - a bit (oh dear). I hate scn/co$/osa - not the people in it - the poor deluded souls. I certainly like the ones who've gotten out, and speak out, and post here, at the Bunker and at Mike's - and other forums.

Marty has been out, and I withheld judgement - for all these years. I thought he was doing good, struggling, stumbling, fowling up, recovering a bit more with every trip and fall, misjudgment and fitful rage. But I really thought he'd make it. Even when he finally shut the fuck up after the firing of his wife's attorneys and the end of the lawsuit. Just go away and live your life Marty - spew your hatred, blame others for your own shit, get it out, and move on. Get a life and live it. Zip the mouth - be done with it.

But no, the guy just can't shut the fuck up. He is still raging - at the WRONG targets. HE WANTS THE ATTENTION, good or bad ..

That was a terrific rant! :clap: :clap: :clap: You made a great point. You really did. Please don't edit a single word.

I wish I had said what you did. :hug: I didn't. Thank you for speaking up.

 

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Are you kidding?
There are 19 segments?
I listened to the first one, or maybe the 2nd one where he was blabbering about a Troika, and haven't listened to any more.

I marvel that people here give the punk their fine attention.


Same reason that people love to play games to try to win flashy day-glow prizes at funky carnivals.

Especially the booth where a nasty trolling clown taunts & dares you to throw balls at a target--which (when hit) humiliatingly dumps the clown into a huge tank of ice water.




[video=youtube;kY8wvoTZwgk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY8wvoTZwgk&amp;ab_channel=jasontman36[/video]




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All DOS[SUP]*[/SUP] are hereby cordially invited to submit their personalized "DROWN THE CLOWN" graphic interpretations--featuring Marty The Messianic Maligning Misfit defiantly & proudly bullbaiting the world while seated atop his little troll-clown overboarding perch.



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Glenda

Crusader
Hasn't the recent sick/whacko assassination attempt on GOP lawmakers AT A PRACTICE FOR AN ANNUAL FRIENDLY BI-PARTISON CHARITY BALL GAME - some folks there with their kids - had any effect on the folks spewing the hatred and vile innuendo? I know it would have me rethinking my social media behavior if I'd been doing it . . .

But mia culpa, I have done that same thing here - about Marty. And now I am regretting that - a bit (oh dear). I hate scn/co$/osa - not the people in it - the poor deluded souls. I certainly like the ones who've gotten out, and speak out, and post here, at the Bunker and at Mike's - and other forums.

Marty has been out, and I withheld judgement - for all these years. I thought he was doing good, struggling, stumbling, fowling up, recovering a bit more with every trip and fall, misjudgment and fitful rage. But I really thought he'd make it. Even when he finally shut the fuck up after the firing of his wife's attorneys and the end of the lawsuit. Just go away and live your life Marty - spew your hatred, blame others for your own shit, get it out, and move on. Get a life and live it. Zip the mouth - be done with it.

But no, the guy just can't shut the fuck up. He is still raging - at the WRONG targets. HE WANTS THE ATTENTION, good or bad, like Charles Manson wanted to be famous- didn't care for what - and he made it to the cover of the Rolling Stone for having innocent people murdered - and he was in Heaven in his prison cell for that - all that attention. Made him feel like a God. Oh, wait, make that Satan, scaring good folks all over the Nation, cutting an X into his forehead, then making that into a swastika - to spite all of us - the good folks - that he envies, hates and despises.

How you feeling now Marty for murdering your own soul? How do you think this plays out for your future - and the future of your family? Shame on you - if you can even feel it anymore.
How's that scno tech working for ya there?

Marty going THAT route pisses me off. He was OUT, but he turned back, in a treacherous act of betrayal and revenge - because some people mention his wife and kid. Fuck you Marty. I hate what you have done. You did this to yourself, you are getting what you deserve.

Still if someone goes after him, well, shame on me.

People have a right to speak their minds, but we are all responsible for our words - and the damage they do, whether it is enticing someone to go ahead and kill themselves, or encouraging some nut job to go after the 'object' of their hatred, or staging a play that assassinates a 'stand-in' for our lawfully elected President - or holds a bloody replica of his head up just whoring for media attention. Whether you agree with him or not, whether it is your Party or not, this kind of behavior is appalling. It happens on both sides, but this time around guess who gets the prize - surprise surprise . . . . :sadsigh:

I am not picking on anyone - we are all doing it, in one way or another - it is the nature of the internet and social media. Maybe it is time we NOTICED - and started recognizing our own participation in this . . . Owning it. Instead of being like Marty - and others - and projecting 'it' onto our 'enemies', blaming 'others'. :mirror: :unsure::nervous:

:clap::clap::clap:

Sort of like "own your own shit"?

Terrific rant Lurker5! I am so impressed - and inspired. :)
 
Are you kidding?
There are 19 segments?
I listened to the first one, or maybe the 2nd one where he was blabbering about a Troika, and haven't listened to any more.

I marvel that people here give the punk their fine attention.
We should make a pool - bet on how many videos he posts - I am betting on 37.

Mimsey
 
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