Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2

[ILove2Lurk]

<snip> . . . Regarding Miscavige's role in this, it has a parallel with Trump's behavior. . . . <snip>

Here's the Hate Trump thread . . . before you get in any trouble here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?43756-President-Trump-(Part-2) :wink2:

Plenty of people are happy to discuss politics with you over there.

 

[Boson Wog Stark]

Pt. 13 of Marty's critique of Leah's series, this episode with Tom DeVocht

After an incomprehensible and halting ramble about camera crews -- I have no idea what he's trying to say -- Marty gets around to making a point about how annoying it is when other ex-members' views of Scientology are different from his, and especially when they try to edit or correct his views, as Tom DeVocht once did with Marty.

So Marty proceeds to correct Tom DeVocht on his views of Scientology, as expressed in a TV program they were on together a few years ago. Of course, Marty doesn't specify what this show was. Can't have people watching it to see what was actually said.

And, uh, Marty, you're doing to Tom DeVocht exactly what you said was so annoying to you, when you get criticized or corrected for something you said about Scientology. I guess being a Church-branded psycho-apostate kingpin of the Posse of Lunatics comes with special privileges?

Anyway, I'm going to link to Tom DeVocht's interview with Allison Hope Wiener, talking about his role in Gibney's GOING CLEAR and his life in Scientology. This is from two years ago, after the documentary came out.

DeVocht looks relaxed, natural and friendly, and gives one of the most engaging interviews an ex-member has ever given. There are many seasoned actors who cannot even pretend to look natural and personable in an interview, as DeVocht does here, including Tom Cruise. So the idea that Tom DeVocht can be himself on camera, mention interesting things about his life in Scientology, yeah, Miscavige hates that.

So what does Marty criticize Tom DeVocht for? Omitting all the great things he got out of Scientology, for which he should be so thankful. All it does it make you wonder why isn't Marty talking about what's great about Scientology in this series? In his one-note ramble, all he does is complain about how critics of Scientology never do that. Come on, Marty, tell us about all the great things Scientology has done for you? Marty could have at least started with an intro about how much Scientology has meant to him in his life, what big wins he's had with it.

[video]https://youtu.be/LN-fiP7POuE[/video]

 

[George Layton]

Has Leah and Mike's season two started yet?

 

[TrevAnon]

Has Leah and Mike's season two started yet?

No, premieres in august.

 

[Boson Wog Stark]

It's not that I think Jim Logan infiltrated Marty's group, or was turned at some point, but can someone refresh my memory about why those two split up, if it was ever known?

I know that Marty felt a little guilty about hunting down Annie Broeker and preventing her from leaving the cult and being with Jim, and that Jim and Marty felt united ideologically, to make Independent Scientology grow and clear the planet, but was the reason they split just over Marty tending to have less rigid ideas, as he began to relax his interpretation of Hubbard's policies and ideas? Was there one thing they just couldn't reconcile?

 

[ThetanExterior]

Maybe Miscavige felt that he needed another method of attacking his critics. Monique Yingling and Karen Pouw just deny everything and are therefore not taken seriously and the "prisoner of war" smear videos by the CoS members are usually ignored.

So he must have figured that getting Marty back on his side would be a major coup. What a mistake.

 

[phenomanon]

I thought it was supposed to look like it was made out of Legos.

They are obviously showing BTs. This, obviously, is the symbol that they are an OT org.

Hope this helps.

phen

 

[phenomanon]

Maybe Miscavige felt that he needed another method of attacking his critics. Monique Yingling and Karen Pouw just deny everything and are therefore not taken seriously and the "prisoner of war" smear videos by the CoS members are usually ignored.

So he must have figured that getting Marty back on his side would be a major coup. What a mistake.

Perhaps Dm thinks that destroying Marty's credibility ( spit) will provide better Deniability when more of DM and Marty's "transgressions" are reported.
" No one believes anything Marty says."


phen

 

[Pierrot]

Which is EXACTLY why COS would infiltrate your organizations.


Note: The 'Art of War' is an LRH recommended book, and is where the term 'dead-agent' is described.

Why? better infiltrate high profile critics and apostates.

 

[Anonycat]

Unlikely. COS policy is that we are SPs.

That could have been said about Marty until recently.

 

[Anonycat]

No, premieres in august.

Maybe Marty's will too!

 

[Type4_PTS]

Veda asked:-

"Will "Independent Scientology" become a new front group for Scn Inc.?"

My answer to that is unlikely. |I'm sure CO$ would try to infiltrate

Yes, you're correct...

Disregard my comment you responded to.

When I was out getting coffee, the SP transcriptionist ran over to my laptop and typed some stuff in.

 

[ExposedPerfidy]

The latest video is amazing. It complains about propoganda by omission while being just that. At 2:33 minutes into the video Marty says:

When they do talk to Tom De Vocht [on Aftermath], Tom De Vocht start talking about how David Miscavige is talking to him about technical things at the top of the Scientology bridge. I got news - David Miscavige would talk to Tom De Vocht about sidewalks, he would talk to him about [EP: I couldn't decipher that word/s] shafts, and he talked to him about window frames and door james and building plans and hiring contractors. The last thing in the world David Miscavige would talk to Tom De Vocht about is technology, particularly technology on levels that were many steps above steps above the level that Tom had attained. I mean we're eight years into this thing. OK. I spoke to Tom De Vocht six-seven years ago. OK. He never mentioned anything like that. All of a sudden, seven years after the fact of leaving, seven years after s- spilling all and telling all, he's now all of a sudden making up that he's being told by David Miscavige the secrets of the highest levels of the bridge of Scientology.

Marty's descriptions of Tom's statements is pretty vague. Why isn't Marty more specific about what Tom had said? In his Aftermath appearance, Tom De Vocht claims to have been told by Miscavige that Hubbard had never completed the making of OT IX and that he (Miscavige) is planning on finishing the development of this level by himself. Go watch the fourth episode of Aftermath and see for yourself (20:50 into the episode). Why can't Marty be more specific? Is it because the CoS is telling Marty what to say and they don't want people to even entertain the idea that OT IX doesn't exist (which would also mean that all of the following OT levels after IX don't exist)?

Why am I calling this video propoganda by omission? Because Marty doesn't mention that there's actually corroborating evidence to De Vocht's claim. By not mentioning any corroborating evidence Marty may lead viewers - even ones who know exactly what De Vocht said on Aftermath - to conclude that such evidence doesn't exist. This is however not the case. As Marty himself wrote:

At the January, 1986 L. Ron Hubbard funeral event we touched on in Chapter 12, Pat Broeker announced that OT 9 and OT 10 were fully written up by Hubbard and ready for release. That was a blatant lie.

[...]

Pat Broeker used the threat of never turning over the alleged OT 9 and OT 10 in an effort to get Miscavige to allow him to exercise control in Scientology Inc. I was a part of three separate forcible search-and-seizures Miscavige directed in order to get at the alleged OT 9 and 10 at Broeker hideouts. Each time we came up empty-handed, and finally concluded there were no such things. This was validated by the senior technical officer of Scientology since L Ron Hubbard’s death, one Ray Mithoff. Mithoff audited Hubbard during his final week of life. Mithoff acknowledged in my presence that Hubbard had nothing intelligible to say about any levels that might exist above OT 8, let alone gave any indication that anything had been written up about them.

Another good Marty quote:

Miscavige and Broker mocked up IX and X as a power play. After LRH died, they played a weird game of who has the holy grail – LRH’s pre-OT folders. When Miscavige discovered there was no holy grail and had successfully took out Broker, who was holding the holy grail over Miscavige’s head to keep him at bay, he kept mocking it up to hold over all of our collective heads. Later, after the holy grail had been scoured thoroughly and sacreligiously for years, Miscavige accused Ray at least twice in my presence that they haven’t got a clue to upper OT levels because Ray didn’t get it out of LRH when he was giving him assists for his transition out of the body (couching it in my prescence as “didn’t duplicate what LRH said”). He did that to keep Ray at effect and keep him from ever telling the story I am going to tell – see he implanted Ray deep and viciously, including with savage beatings, sleep deprivation, and the worst kind of inval.

In another post Rathbun wrote:

For a decade and a half Scientologists were urged to contribute to their local orgs so as to make them the size of Old St Hill as LRH postulated. DM dangled the promise of the release of OT IX and X as the prize when the target was met. DM did this knowing he hasn’t a clue how to compile OT IX and X and couldn’t deliver on the promise if he ever intended to.

In the comment sections of the same post Rathbun wrote:

Here’s what you can quote from me, I witnessed David Miscavige with my own eyes and ears twice unequivocally indicate he did not have a clue how to get OT IX and X compiled.

Rathbun attributes to DM pretty much the same statements De Vocht attributes to him! And finally, Rathbun isn't the only former insider to say that OT IX & X aren't real. Let's hear it from Mike Rinder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gpIjbieFyQ&t=3679s

 

[Type4_PTS]

Why? better infiltrate high profile critics and apostates.

Freezoners and/or indies, through their actions could cause some COS customers to start spending their money on Scientology being done outside the CoS.

Needless to say, infiltration is necessary for Intel purposes.

Interfering in any way with the money flowing to COS and the IAS are the highest crimes one can commit.

According to the holy scientology scriptures, those committing crimes of this nature must be stopped and/or destroyed.

Needless to say, infiltration is necessary to gather the Intel needed to carry out their objective.

 

[George Layton]

[REFLIST][REFLIST][/REFLIST][/REFLIST]

Veda asked:-

"Will "Independent Scientology" become a new front group for Scn Inc.?"

My answer to that is unlikely. |I'm sure CO$ would try to infiltrate

You seriously don't believe they already have?
It's fricken scientology.

 

[Pierrot]

Freezoners and/or indies, through their actions could cause some COS customers to start spending their money on Scientology being done outside the CoS.

Needless to say, infiltration is necessary for Intel purposes.

Interfering in any way with the money flowing to COS and the IAS are the highest crimes one can commit.

According to the holy scientology scriptures, those committing crimes of this nature must be stopped and/or destroyed.

Needless to say, infiltration is necessary to gather the Intel needed to carry out their objective.

Small fish, 99.9% of Freezone and/or Independent is squirrel, some squirrel flamboyant. That's other intention - counter intention comes up first.

;-)

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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It's not that I think Jim Logan infiltrated Marty's group, or was turned at some point, but can someone refresh my memory about why those two split up, if it was ever known?

I know that Marty felt a little guilty about hunting down Annie Broeker and preventing her from leaving the cult and being with Jim, and that Jim and Marty felt united ideologically, to make Independent Scientology grow and clear the planet, but was the reason they split just over Marty tending to have less rigid ideas, as he began to relax his interpretation of Hubbard's policies and ideas? Was there one thing they just couldn't reconcile?

The specific details of their falling out evades me for the moment, but I seem to recall that it was strictly a scriptural scramble to determine who was [STRIKE]Holier[/STRIKE] KSW[SUP]ier[/SUP] Than Thou.

I do clearly remember something else about their unseemly indie "dramatization". Quite some time before ANY of that "enturbulation" developed and saw daylight, I had already posted a prediction to the effect that "...it was not even a question of IF but WHEN one or more Indies would turn on Rathbun and begin attacking him...."

How did I possibly have so much "knowingness"? LOL. Simple, because (as I posted in my Nostradamus-like prediction) no matter what Scientologists (of any denomination, whether COS, Indies, Ron's Org, et al) say or do, they are still Scientologists. Meaning, it is their destiny, pre-determined by their Dianetic DNA to (eventually) "always attack" wicked "enemies" of their own making, imagination and delusional paranoia.

If there was any brilliance in making such an odd prediction (at a time when Indies were joined in lockstep, synchronous, "power-flowing" "agreement" about their own "courageous", "ethical", "insouciant" "integrity"-laden superiority to "squirrelly", "PTS", "off-Source" COS scientologists) it was simply recognizing and respecting this zen-simple principle:

SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE ALWAYS EASILY PREDICTABLE
IF YOU JUST IGNORE THEIR CHEST-THUMPING
LIES, KNOWINGNESS, STATISTICAL FAKERY,
OT WINS, CERTAINTY, MIRACLES,
MISDIRECTION AND
FAIR-GAMING
ATTACKS​

Because, Scientologists' destiny is inexorably programmed to sooner or later self-destruct[SUP]1[/SUP]. If not at the hands of their triumphant whistleblowing "enemies", then by their own masochistic clownery--when their ship sails in circles bumping into its own indiscriminately destructive wake.


ALL YE DOUBTERS SPOILER ALERT: If you turn to last chapter/last page of the book ("The Rise & Fall of Hubbard's Hoax"), you will discover that Scientologists' most sacredly cherished OT power ("knowingness") was really just a trojan horse "implant" all along. It eventually implodes. There is no exception. The only variation is the length of the fuse.





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[SUP]1[/SUP] A casual 30-second Google search will suffice, in order to quickly satisfy any doubts about the fate that befell the universe's most supernaturally powerful OTs (e.g. Dr. Hubbard himself, his wife Mary Sue, their children, John McMasters, Captain Bill Robertson, et al).

 

[rickybobby]

I think what he DOESN'T say is a lot more telling than what he DOES say. He's being very careful to omit references to anything that might cause some googling for backstory, or that would contradict the Scn narrative. It's rather interesting to behold the verbal and logical contortions he is going through to discredit what people say without actually referring to what they said.

He's sold out for whatever reason, and anyone who still refuses to believe that David Miscavige is involved in this stunt is totally fooling themselves and willfully refusing to look at the facts. It astounds me that there are still a few diehards over there that don't. I mean, gosh-- he turned over the domain to CoS, these videos are certainly CoS productions, Marty is on their hate site, he's obviously DA-ing the Leah Remini show, picking on people who have done NOTHING to him, yet are high value targets to Miscavige-- what is it going to take? Marty could put on a Sea Org uniform and stand next to Dave on stage at an event and the Oracle STILL wouldn't believe he's working for Miscavige. Do they think he would admit it outright? They waiting for a telegram or something? This just couldn't get anymore obvious!

 

[anonomog]

Regarded this earth with envious eyes...

This drama made me want a little War of the Worlds with a side of Richard Burton. Seems the opening track has vanished from youtube.

Read this in the beautifully measured tones of Burton.

“No-one would have believed, in the last years of the nineteenth century, that human affairs were being watched from the timeless worlds of space. No-one could have dreamed that we were being scrutinized, as someone with a microscope studies creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. Few men even considered the possibility of life on other planets. And yet, across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely, they drew their plans against us…”
Jeff Wayne – The War of the Worlds

Ok back on topic again.

 

[Pierrot]

Regarded this earth with envious eyes...

This drama made me want a little War of the Worlds with a side of Richard Burton. Seems the opening track has vanished from youtube.

Read this in the beautifully measured tones of Burton.

“No-one would have believed, in the last years of the nineteenth century, that human affairs were being watched from the timeless worlds of space. No-one could have dreamed that we were being scrutinized, as someone with a microscope studies creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. Few men even considered the possibility of life on other planets. And yet, across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely, they drew their plans against us…”
Jeff Wayne – The War of the Worlds

Ok back on topic again.

"The Medusa Touch" with Richard Burton then, back on topic. ;-)