Mike "I'm All About the Crimes" Rinder

[Veda]

Or spill ANY beans for the last 12 years.

Or spill ANY beans for the last 12 years.

Starting in 2014, both Marty and Mike did start "spilling beans."

They went from covering for Hubbard to being open about Hubbard.

That doesn't mean they told all about every activity for which they might be culpable.

Doing so would act as a confession for them, while leaving Miscavige - who gave the orders in the first place - behind a wall of corporate religious cloaking, denying that he knew anything about it, and, sans evidence, which is not likely they would have had, would destroy them while leaving Miscavige in the clear.

I'm certainly not satisfied with this situation, but I understand it.

 

[Veda]

Slightly updated re-post, from several days ago when it was written:


I had all but stopped posting on ESMB some time go, for reasons that had nothing to do with ESMB.

Occasionally I'd appear and add content or recycle old posts - to provide my slant on things or provide some info/insight to a new arrival.

Alanzo's arrival, despite his apparent auditioning for the position of cub reporter at Scientology's Freedom magazine, has been stimulating.

(Not unlike finding a swarm of agitated bats in your path as you drive down the highway, but stimulating nonetheless.)

It provided an opportunity to experience what is called a "perimeter defense" action, where someone presents himself as a critic or dissident yet attacks all of those at the top of David Miscavige's enemies list, while forwarding PR and propaganda lines that are identical to those parroted by Scientology Inc.'s apologists.

My output of posts and threads was vastly increased due to the stimulation and, IMO, that produced some excellent threads.

So, all things considered, I've no problem with Alanzo being here as long as all can respond to him.

And then there's ESMB2 where Alanzo, I presume, will be either moderated or banned.

Emma did a wonderful - and unique - thing when she started ESMB.

She created a place where thousands were helped, with others joining in, and adding, each one, his or her unique contribution.

All the ups and downs, and the overriding positivity and humanity of ESMB, is preserved in its archives.

No matter what happens in the next 2 days, the legacy of ESMB is positive, helpful, and wonderful.

 

[Emma]

The claim that it contained his social security number is false. Bankruptcy files are a public domain document and never contain a full social security number.

Maybe I was mistaken about the social security number, but I wasn't mistaken about the rest. All of his financials laid bare.

I see absolute nothing in the email that conveys (or even suggests) that Alanzo is being paid by OSA because of being broke.

No, not in the email, only on ESMB over & over & over & over. I didn't say it was in the email. The jabs were coming from the board.

Given the way I've been posting towards Alanzo since he got back I would think I'd be one of the first ones to get such a mail, but I never did.

I guess you just didn't make the cut.

Given some work I've done in the past (doing background checks for a Fortune 50 company) I know that here in the U.S. it takes less than 5 minutes for anyone to acquire bankruptcy documents. If you know the real name of a person it takes about 30 seconds to locate bankruptcy documents. And all public dox can be downloaded at pacer.gov for 10 cents per page.

Sure but who does that? Why do that? Why would anyone do that except to use if for ammunition & smearing?

OSA doesn't pay people in a way that creates paper trails; and often they utilize 3'rd parties like attorneys and PI's to accomplish their objectives.

IF Alanzo did receive any money that originated from the CoS it's possible he's unaware of where the money actually came from.

If you saw the financials you'd know that's highly unlikely.

This is a false claim, unless you have evidence that he was followed by "special private investigators".

I'll let Alanzo tell that story. I should have said nothing.

It looks like you and Alanzo used a leaked e-mail to engage in your own cheap shot Fair Game against and Jeff and Karen.

No. As I said earlier I wasn't going to mention the email until the smears came from a few different people on ESMB, and the smears were clearly related to the bankruptcy. It's not fair to taunt & tease without revealing the underlying fair game material. It's just cruel, and we aren't into being cruel are we?

Had Jeffrey wished to DOX Alanzo, he could have published it on his own blog, The Scientology Money Project (with over 6200 followers) as well as on the Aftermath Facebook group where he is active (the one run by Aaron Smith-Levin) with over 20,000 members.

Oh, but that would have meant being open about his fair gaming. Jeffrey doesn't like to do that. He likes to do all his cruelty covertly. He would never have posted it because he would have been condemned, just like Alanzo is being condemned for posting about Karen. Or maybe not. We still haven't established whether Fair Game = Fair Game (it depends on who is being fair gamed right?).

 

[RogerB]

In my last long post addressing “the emails,” I said I would debunk the lies of the Cof$’s OSA smear of Karen that the animal A is throwing about to earn a dishonest $$.

Firstly, that picture draped across the front of the video OSA created is false. It is a photoshop altered picture wherein the cult has grafted her head to a body that is NOT hers.

I personally know this as I’ve seen her body nearly nude when in her prime 49 years ago. As already stated, we were horse riding buddies in Hyde Park, London. Karen then had a studio apartment in Pont Street, a very short walk from the stables, and we would go there after riding to clean up before dinner and/or theater. Also, for you guys/gals who might know something of the differences in anatomical structure between the races, Karen has more of an Asian Indian body and hip structure!!! That ain’t what you see in that photoshopped picture.

Further, the “Gentlemen’s Club” depicted is not as falsely portrayed by the cult. The Victoria Club when Karen and I lived in London was a CASINO! I know this because my old company handled various security actions for casino outfits in London.

The hooker thing is completely OSA manufactured. Karen shared with me when it first surfaced, that the entire duration she was in the cult of 40 years there was never such an accusation, sec check, ethics handling, nothing. She was married to the president of the Church of Scientology International and got clearances to be OSA INT staff.

Those of you who know Karen’s history will recall that after she managed to escape the brutality visited upon her in her final days there, she did not take any action against the cult. She simply got on with her life . . . BUT, when the actions of the cult caused 1) the loss to her of her husband and, 2) the rending separation of her son from her and, because of the cult’s “handlings” his death, Karen than began to speak out.

Then the cult acted to besmirch and slime her.

For the first 6 years Karen was exposing them there was no such label.
"SUDDENLY" in the last 3 years OSA manufactured HOOKER smut and Alanzo has run with it ever since. Note, her Tube channel gets 5000 views of the videos a DAY! 26.6K subscribers/followers on YouTube, plus 5,385 Followers on Twitter
https://twitter.com/KarendlaCariere/followers

The cult got so hysterical that they impersonated Karendlecarrie on Twitter and asked for Johns $$ for sex. Account got nuked by Twitter. Karen grabbed screen shots and made a video turning it around on the cult

What I personally have found disappointing in dealing with all of this here, is the way and manner in which certain people seemed to be offended by the action of Karen and her husband taking steps to defend Karen and discredit Alanzo and his despicable use of Cof$ OSA slime. Yet not a peep from them about the "doxing" carried out by Alanzo by use of fraudulent Cof$ material!!

 

[Emma]

Rog, Karen told me about those photos years ago. She said she'd had them done because she was proud of her body and had gotten a boob job and wanted some nice pics. They are not photoshopped.

If the images and supposed hooker screen shots are false, why not sue them? She'd have a slam dunk case. When I asked her about this she blew up at me.

I know we aren't allowed to talk about this, sorry.

 

[Type4_PTS]

If the images and supposed hooker screen shots are false, why not sue them? She'd have a slam dunk case. When I asked her about this she blew up at me.

The CoS (along with its front groups) has put up hate sites on dozens on people over the years which contain defamatory information.

Why haven't any of those people sued CoS?

Why haven't you sued them over the Fair Game actions carried out against you?

Maybe they don't wish to get involved in litigation against a three billion dollar cult that has an unlimited legal budget and will do everything possible to drag a case out for many years with the intent to bankrupt the opposition.

 

[Emma]

Why haven't you sued them over the Fair Game actions carried out against you?

If I had the resources I would. Especially if I was accused of being a prostitute and I wasn't.

I'd have to take on Victoria Police PLUS the CoS Int. The search & arrest warrant was signed off by a judge. It's not the same thing.

 

[Type4_PTS]

I don't have the resources, or I would.

Exactly my point.

How many do have the resources to go up against a three billion dollar cult with an unlimited legal budget?

Look at what happened with Monique Rathbun's case vs the CoS. Considering what was done to her and her family, and the evidence she had (including much video evidence!) you would think that she had a slam dunk case. But the litigation went on for many years.

I doubt you (and all those with CoS hate sites) want people to assume all that the CoS has said about you is true, because you have not sued them.

 

[Emma]

So are you saying Exes never win lawsuits?

 

[Type4_PTS]

So are you saying Exes never win lawsuits?

No, not saying that at all.

 

[Type4_PTS]

So are you saying Exes never win lawsuits?

Laura kicked ass in her lawsuit. But it took almost ten years! And I imagine that the stress involved most have been enormous.

 

[RogerB]

That's a little nasty, Emms.

As to "suing and having a slam dunk case" . . . why expose oneself to the "Streisand Effect" which would spread the poison far, far more widely than the miserable Cof$ reach. Plus, realize the multi-year battle against the cult with its $$$Billions.

Under British and Oz law it would be easier . . . US law is a bitch with its "1st Amendment Free Speech Rights."

As to this line of yours: " They are not photoshopped." . . . They??? I spoke of the ONE photo of the thing reclining across the front of the putative sex ads.

Sorry to say it Emms, you are beginning to sound/behave like Alanzo.

 

[freethinker]

You have proven yourself to be so hysterical over my existence that you actually are supporting spammers and people who are literally trying to destroy the board.

It is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen. And you continue to be completely and shamelessly unaware of what you are doing.

Why don't you go over to the new Esmb with out effix and continue your decompression and recovery from scientology there?

I really have to question your sanity. You are definitely a main culprit to destroy ESMB but you are so deluded on the idea you actually believe what you say to be truth when it is more than clear to many people that the things you say are just plain nuts.

Vengeance is short lived and when misdirected will consume you.

 

[Emma]

As to this line of yours: " They are not photoshopped." . . . They??? I spoke of the ONE photo of the thing reclining across the front of the putative sex ads.

There are multiple photos Rog and they are not photoshopped. They do not point to any other activity however, they are just photos. Anyway WHO FUCKING CARES if someone has erotics shots taken of themselves. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

Sorry to say it Emms, you are beginning to sound/behave like Alanzo.

Well I better shut up then, hadn't I, or my bankruptcy papers will show up too.

 

[Aerial]

The slut shaming of Karen reeks of misogyny. Alanzo seems to only play nice with women who agree with him.

Much like his friend Andy Nolch.

 

[Emma]

Well I better shut up then, hadn't I, or my bankruptcy papers will show up too.

Yes Jeffrey, it's true. Now off you go and find them. Go on. You've got two days.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I cannot believe we are talking about (and in some cases looking at) someone's private photos ... lots of women (and men too I expect) have pics done while they are still looking great and Karen certainly did look great. They usually remain private though so I've wondered who could have leaked these to the cult so they could be used to create a scenario around to embarrass her, as they so often do ... I hope it wasn't Karen's ex-husband.

 

[Emma]

I don't know who leaked them, but Karen did tell me about them years ago and feared that the Cult would use them against her. And they did.

 

[RogerB]

There are multiple photos Rog and they are not photoshopped. They do not point to any other activity however, they are just photos. Anyway WHO FUCKING CARES if someone has erotics shots taken of themselves. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

Well I better shut up then, hadn't I, or my bankruptcy papers will show up too.

Well in actual fact, seeing that one photo I have commented on, and knowing well the cult's attack and destroy enemies nature, I did not bother to go further than the opening comment of the voice sliming Karen. So the other photos you say are legit, I have not seen. And, as you say, the do not point to any other activity.

But the photo I commented on is the opening assault on Karen with the dialogue accusing her of prostitution.

To be honest Emms, I am surprised and disappointed that you have continued to stir up so much shit against Karen these past weeks.

And, to be honest, it is a time wasting exercise for me to be having to continue to correct the bullshit that keeps being posted on this matter.

Hence, the big question becomes: What's your agenda?

 

[Lulu Belle]

The slut shaming of Karen reeks of misogyny.

I absolutely, 1000% agree with this.