Carmel
Crusader
In recent months, we have been successful in getting many of our old mates in the Sydney region (and other States in ANZO) who are still "in", to take a good look and "see" the actual scene. Some of these people are now members of this board, and many are 'lurking'.
We are putting this thread here, in response to requests from others who are wanting to have similar success with people within their sphere of influence, and to assist those who we have already helped, to do the same. While we are aware that what we have been doing in these parts, would be of no interest to many and/or not something that many of you would be interested in doing yourself - you may find a tip or two, that could help you with a friend or two.
Successful actions:
- Posting our own stories (truths from local people, or people who are known have a far greater impingement)
- Contacting old friends directly (nothing to lose on this one - we were out and they were in......our "friendships" had little future anyway)
- Maintaining points of their reality. While we have a particular mindset, it would be foolish to try and convey that to our friends who are still in. They would just reject it outright! We know our mates and enough of what they have seen and done, to find much that is wrong and/or alarming, to direct their attention to. Things like the basics evolution for example (enforced purchase of book packages, 300 calls a week etc, etc) has worked in our favour.
- Using tech and policy references (that they obviously feel should be abided by) to support the 'argument' - like precept 17 of WTH, "Look Don't Listen", Data Series 2 Section "Illogic", The Creed, SOS Chapter 27 - "Methods Used by Subject to Handle Others", C/S Series 73RB, "The Hidden Data Line", KSW 1 (particularly in reference to the 'group agreement' within orgs that allows the general operating basis to continue). Flows 1,2,3 and 0 in tech dict (in reference to responsibilty that should be taken by individuals and by the orgs themselves).
- Not blowing them out of the water with any real or perceived negativity re LRH, or the tech. It's not their reality and they'll just reject it (and probably whoever is suggesting it). That's something that they can stumble across, look at and work out for themselves - at a later time when they have an open mindset.
- Copying and pasting appropriate stories or posts from the board (excluding comments from members that would be out reality or cause upset), and emailing them to any and every address obtainable (of those within the ranks), with the link reference of ESMB as the source of the story or post.
- In dealing with a particular person, finding posts or threads that would specifically be real to them and impinging on them (then copying, pasting and sending to them, with reference to ESMB). For example, if the person thinks that the sun shines out of DM's arse, then for goodness sake - DON"T direct them to "Musical Chairs"...they'll just reject it, and consider that you've probably 'lost it'. However, if the person already considers DM a snake - then go for it. Find and choose stuff that will align with the reality of the person who you're dealing with.
- Encouraging them to look at the board, but initially to only look at categories like "Staff War Stories" and "Leaving the Church" (so as not to blow them away before they get a grasp on things). And, giving them the scoop on the fact that on the board there are all sorts, who are everything from 'pro' LRH and the tech, to very 'anti' LRH and the tech......and everything in between.
- Initially supporting those who are newly "out", then hooking them up with others who are in the same or a similar position.
- Encouraging others to contact their mates and help them.
Simply through doing the above, we have successfully helped many open their eyes, change their perspective and take the appropriate action. Some of these people are now doing the same with people who they know. It's not always 'a walk in the park', but the wins certainly far outweigh the losses. Most importantly many are being enlightened (or have been), to the actual scene, and are getting their lives back.
All the best with it!
Cheers,
Carmel
We are putting this thread here, in response to requests from others who are wanting to have similar success with people within their sphere of influence, and to assist those who we have already helped, to do the same. While we are aware that what we have been doing in these parts, would be of no interest to many and/or not something that many of you would be interested in doing yourself - you may find a tip or two, that could help you with a friend or two.
Successful actions:
- Posting our own stories (truths from local people, or people who are known have a far greater impingement)
- Contacting old friends directly (nothing to lose on this one - we were out and they were in......our "friendships" had little future anyway)
- Maintaining points of their reality. While we have a particular mindset, it would be foolish to try and convey that to our friends who are still in. They would just reject it outright! We know our mates and enough of what they have seen and done, to find much that is wrong and/or alarming, to direct their attention to. Things like the basics evolution for example (enforced purchase of book packages, 300 calls a week etc, etc) has worked in our favour.
- Using tech and policy references (that they obviously feel should be abided by) to support the 'argument' - like precept 17 of WTH, "Look Don't Listen", Data Series 2 Section "Illogic", The Creed, SOS Chapter 27 - "Methods Used by Subject to Handle Others", C/S Series 73RB, "The Hidden Data Line", KSW 1 (particularly in reference to the 'group agreement' within orgs that allows the general operating basis to continue). Flows 1,2,3 and 0 in tech dict (in reference to responsibilty that should be taken by individuals and by the orgs themselves).
- Not blowing them out of the water with any real or perceived negativity re LRH, or the tech. It's not their reality and they'll just reject it (and probably whoever is suggesting it). That's something that they can stumble across, look at and work out for themselves - at a later time when they have an open mindset.
- Copying and pasting appropriate stories or posts from the board (excluding comments from members that would be out reality or cause upset), and emailing them to any and every address obtainable (of those within the ranks), with the link reference of ESMB as the source of the story or post.
- In dealing with a particular person, finding posts or threads that would specifically be real to them and impinging on them (then copying, pasting and sending to them, with reference to ESMB). For example, if the person thinks that the sun shines out of DM's arse, then for goodness sake - DON"T direct them to "Musical Chairs"...they'll just reject it, and consider that you've probably 'lost it'. However, if the person already considers DM a snake - then go for it. Find and choose stuff that will align with the reality of the person who you're dealing with.
- Encouraging them to look at the board, but initially to only look at categories like "Staff War Stories" and "Leaving the Church" (so as not to blow them away before they get a grasp on things). And, giving them the scoop on the fact that on the board there are all sorts, who are everything from 'pro' LRH and the tech, to very 'anti' LRH and the tech......and everything in between.
- Initially supporting those who are newly "out", then hooking them up with others who are in the same or a similar position.
- Encouraging others to contact their mates and help them.
Simply through doing the above, we have successfully helped many open their eyes, change their perspective and take the appropriate action. Some of these people are now doing the same with people who they know. It's not always 'a walk in the park', but the wins certainly far outweigh the losses. Most importantly many are being enlightened (or have been), to the actual scene, and are getting their lives back.
All the best with it!
Cheers,
Carmel
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The situation has changed considerably from a year ago - and even more significantly over the past 3 months from my observations. 
Whom should I believe? :confused2: 
