The State of Clear
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In my opinion, it depends on how "big" the person is as a thetan/spirit. BTs have as much power as one is weak. Going Clear doesn't automatically mean one is now a powerful thetan/spirit. We're not all equal on this theta power point. But anyway, BTs get restimulated just like a non-Clear does. They all have their own reactive minds. Some are downright assholes, some are fearful, some are asleep, etc. They basically yap in one's head and question one's decisions, make one uncertain, etc. They can make one think one is depressed, angry, etc. when it is just the BT, not oneself. It's complicated. But a well known aspect of the human condition well before Scientology, just given other names and causes.
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So how can you know that you are Clear? According to what you say you would still behave as a non clear.
you have the Clear cognition, and you know. Life is different after that. You get a Clear Certainty Rundown, it verifies you've made it, and that's that.
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It's easy to make a person certain of something. A 'rundown' will do nicely.
But that only makes a pserson certain of something. So a person now has certainty of a "fact" - those Bts are still there though, doing there business. What do you say to the clear who is perceptive enough to notice that he hasn't really attained what you said he would attain?
Yes the BTs are still there, but one's OWN reactive mind is not.
It's kind of like having to wrestle a 250 pound tough guy, versus having to wrestle a midget. The BTs are midgets in comparison to one's own reactive mind. They can and do still cause trouble, but it's not the same level of control that one's own reactive mind had.
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Bolix.
You are entitled to your own reality. I was just giving you mine.
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Veda
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Thanks for the presentation of the Scientology Standard Tech (works!) mindset, circa 1980.
I think, however, that you'll find that most have moved beyond it.
http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=84382&postcount=33
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Pixie
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HappyGirl
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OMG!
for this post, Veda, and Pix for pointing it out!! Love that link! "Tone Arm worship, and a floating Tone Arm to a Scientologist is like Mother Mary to a devout Catholic." LOL!!"Scientology almost worked" -
Yes! It doesn't really work, but it does "almost" so brilliantly that you don't notice it isn't really working. I think I just went Clear!! 
Feral
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Gee, wouldn't it be great if it actually worked out like that in reality!!
My wife was a last life clear, she did the CCRD and recovered her "clear cog" . That was in '90.
During the recent "advanced program" evolution at flag she, along with 80% of the solo nots auditors were put on NED,to go clear....again. She used three intensives of NED and had the exact same clear cog...in a new unit of time. This made no difference to her state of case whatsoever.
I went "clear" at the proper place on the "gradation chart" I ran NED until I had the clear cog. I had some wins on NED and something in distinctive did change when I went clear, hard to quantify (disappointingly) made very little difference to my life.
It DID NOT match the 1950 discription one bit.
David Mayo said something in the '80s that explains this;"There is no such thing as "clear", there is just clearer and clearer"
I read your posts, I have to say you sound very KSW, but I think you're dreaming.
Dulloldfart
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Bollocks.
"Bolix" sounds like a hot drink the grandparents have sitting in armchairs around the fireplace.
Paul
The subject of Clear and it's handling has been full of screw-ups in Scn. I've had to do a few CCRD Auditor and C/S courses because of Miscavige and his know best. I actually avoided putting together a CCRD delivery team at my org because I saw how much confusion was on these lines at other orgs. That and the Comm Evs for concerned tech terminals all the time was enough to not want anything to do with them.
Sounds like something got messed up on yours. Too bad. Inval and eval, or a bad date/locate, are the likely reasons.
That is the Scientology Standard Tech mindset, period. I don't have a problem with people having moved beyond it. I don't preach this stuff. I don't even deliver it anymore. I just know what I know. And here was a chance to express it, so I did. I'm not advocating anyone do anything with it, this is just a discussion board.
I think for some it is upsetting because they'd rather not contemplate that potential truth.
OMG!
"Scientology almost worked" -
One of the patterns I've noticed since being out and perusing the forums is this:
1) Person left Scientology because of some bad ethics cycle, etc. NOT because the tech didn't work.
2) Person then reads all the black p.r. on the net.
3) Person invalidates all their gains from auditing and training.
4) Person then absolves themselves of it ever having worked, and joins the fashionable crowd of people calling it all a hoax and scam.
alex
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I think that the general consensus is that the clear of the 1950s is more likely to be a "clear on all dynamics" upper ot level.
I went clear running dianetics and didnt get to do the clearing course, but have read the materials, and believe I would have a "stronger" clearness if I had done the CC materials.
But I still remember having the clear cog, seeing myself creating the mechanism, and then realizing what I was doing. With out the training side of things, I was a pretty "cleared canibal" as a person afterwards.
I do believe though that there is a point at which a person has a realization that profoundly changes how they further model their lives. That was my experience.
I am horrified that your wife was put back on dianetics though!! That sure must have stirred up the shit.
alex