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The State of Clear

fluffy said:
Oh, I think you must have missed the witch hunt hysteria of a couple or so weeks ago. On and on and on and on about trolls trolls trolls. Lots of unspecified posts- more than one thread, too- making vague insinuations that there are trolls here trying to disrupt things, never naming anyone (Well, it would have been a breach of the rules of conduct for them to do so, so I guess that's why.), but the upshot was that anyone tangling with anyone else who had a minority viewpoint was considered by a couple people to be trolls. A similar approach has been used on a number of boards re OSA witchhunt and hysteria. People posting enough info about themselves to disprove such insinuations and accusations were then accused of doing OSA's work.

The only thing you can do is continue to post from your heart as to what you feel. There are plenty of non CofS Scn'ists on here who get along with most of the contributors here. So just establish your own track record, be true to yourself, and rock on!
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Yeah I missed that. I just check in here from time to time.
 
Challenge said:
I managed an Arthur Murray Studio and am a Gold Medal dancer. I doubt that you can compete with that. However, I do agree with most of what you post.

CHLNG
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I will own you on an alternative music dj playing dance floor, what we'd likely see at a vegas club unless we headed to a ghetto place. But that's an impressive resume.

I think I read another thread of yours where you were the Dir Corr at Sydney? Great people you aussies are. I knew a lot of aussies when I trained - Shane Brockdorf, Andrew (oh shit, forgot his last name - Snr C/S about 8 years ago....), Paul Schobel (probably had the best TRs in Scn.), and others. Flag days circa 92-2000. I was at that conference you went to in '96.
 
Martini said:
The subject of Clear and it's handling has been full of screw-ups in Scn. I've had to do a few CCRD Auditor and C/S courses because of Miscavige and his know best. I actually avoided putting together a CCRD delivery team at my org because I saw how much confusion was on these lines at other orgs. That and the Comm Evs for concerned tech terminals all the time was enough to not want anything to do with them.

Sounds like something got messed up on yours. Too bad. Inval and eval, or a bad date/locate, are the likely reasons.
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Bullshit!, and talk about eval, try even wrong indication or dare I say BLACK SCIENTOLOGY. What is your game?

If you really think that all there is between the state of clear as defined in DMSMH and the statements above is some eval, inval and a messed up D/L you really are dreaming.

As Jason Beghe said; " Show me a mother fucken clear"
 
Feral said:
Bullshit!, and talk about eval, try even wrong indication or dare I say BLACK SCIENTOLOGY. What is your game?

If you really think that all there is between the state of clear as defined in DMSMH and the statements above is some eval, inval and a messed up D/L you really are dreaming.

As Jason Beghe said; " Show me a mother fucken clear"
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I don't think the DMSMH description is accurate either.

The state of Clear is still desirable, though.

If it was a wrong indication, maybe telling you that you didn't make it is a better one.
 
Lovesnightsky said:
http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=5936

When you read the thread, imagine all the avatars wearing something pink. For example, my original avatar does not wear earphones and pearls and Terril does not have a hat.
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In one of her more enlightened moments, Emma decided that pink was the new black...... And enforced it with real good command intention!

What I'm struggling to come to terms with here is that we have an upsurge of Aussies here, and few if any from San Francisco?
 
Terril park said:
In one of her more enlightened moments, Emma decided that pink was the new black...... And enforced it with real good command intention!

What I'm struggling to come to terms with here is that we have an upsurge of Aussies here, and few if any from San Francisco?
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If the pink in the avatars has anything to do with that nasty, deplorable group called Code Pink, I'm changing my avatar.
 
At the end of the day, the state of "Clear" is a scientology state and thus only exists within the framework of scientology.
What religions, other practices and techniques have as a possible similar state are called by different names and have other descriptions.
Does the state of "Clear" exist? of course it does. It was invented in scientology and that is where it exists. There is a lot more crap added to Clear now too, such as how "clears" go into temper fits, that is widely used by people as an excuse to behave as spoiled children.
 
Lovesnightsky said:
At the end of the day, the state of "Clear" is a scientology state and thus only exists within the framework of scientology.
What religions, other practices and techniques have as a possible similar state are called by different names and have other descriptions.
Does the state of "Clear" exist? of course it does. It was invented in scientology and that is where it exists. There is a lot more crap added to Clear now too, such as how "clears" go into temper fits, that is widely used by people as an excuse to behave as spoiled children.
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So one is only Clear if one is still in Scientology? Got ya.
 
Martini said:
I don't think the DMSMH description is accurate either.

The state of Clear is still desirable, though.

If it was a wrong indication, maybe telling you that you didn't make it is a better one.
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Thank you, you are so helpful!......Gee, are you clear??? Did you......"make it" Martini?

Did you learn to handle comm like that on your training??? Personal inval and practiced wrong indications seem to be your specialty.

You may have been specially trained, eh?
 
Feral said:
Thank you, you are so helpful!......Gee, are you clear??? Did you......"make it" Martini?

Did you learn to handle comm like that on your training??? Personal inval and practiced wrong indications seem to be your specialty.

You may have been specially trained, eh?
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First of all, I am not auditing you.

If it is a wrong indication to tell you that your CCRD was messed up, then it is a wrong indication to tell you that you are not Clear, I would have to assume that you are so piled up in bypassed charge that just mentioning the subject causes upset and turmoil. You probably need a sec check, after any lists are corrected.

Glad I could be of help. Your tech estimate is 4 intensives. Now go see the reg and find out about a special we have that is ending today.
 
Martini said:
Is a troll considered someone who expresses a different view than the consensus on this board? I see this term thrown around a lot in the threads I've been looking at.

I don't get it. We all just got out of a mind control cult and now it seems a similar op basis exists here. If someone expresses something other than Scientology sucks 100% and is a fraud, they are called a troll.

That's group think at its best.
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No, it's my 'think', and you know exactly what you are doing, and so do I.
 
Pixie said:
No, it's my 'think', and you know exactly what you are doing, and so do I.
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Pixie, you came on this board like a woman possessed of deamons and posted over 5000 posts in a little over a year, and now when someone says something you disagree with you attempt to label them a troll and poison the waters of acceptance of them.

We know what you think. Please let others express what they do.
 
Martini said:
Well I certainly am due some eval apparently, so why don't you enlighten me and anyone else what exactly I am up to.
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In my world, 'eval' is an opinion of which I am more than entitled, I am sorry that you see this as something bad, however I do not owe an explanation, expecially when you are aware of what I am saying, nor will you try to crack me emotionaly which is something else you are trying to do, trying to proove that all exes are somehow crazy.

I have said my piece and am done communicating with you.
 
OK Martini,

I will explain something to you now, seeing you traded your critical thinking skills for "certainty" somewhere along the way, this might one day help.

I walked the whole bridge, though apparently, according to you astute C/Sing skills I missed the "clear" step. I have found that it is not a bridge, it is a pier that ends in very deep cold water.

I'm also a trained auditor and exec.

Apart from a self righteous "certainty" I spiritually gained little.

I did learn a lot which comes in handy when dealing with life, but the state of clear IS NOT an absolute, and you look like a mug being so dogmatic about it, you even look desperate reverting to inval and deliberate wrong indications to defend your self.

In fact you don't look or sound truly certain at all. If you were you would not be asserting so hard, would you? So I suggest, even if it rubs your KSW up the wrong way, have a read of Darts' posts, refrain from C/Sing black scientology sessions on the web,try to get along.
 
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