The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[AnonKat]

Anonkat, I discovered LRH video a couple of years ago. I think Ron comes off looking pretty good in the video. The thing about him not having a second though basically dishonest is not a true lie because his second marriage was bigamist and one could make a case that the marriage was not legal. The worst thing about Ron is looking at his teeth, for one of the world's richest men, he sure did not take care of his teeth, he was only 57 years old then and yet his teeth were rotted out and totally uncared for. What's with that?
Lakey

On paper he wasn't even Rich LOL

The teeth, Some say it is from the Drugs or Ron was PTS to Dentists or Denists were Equal to Psychiatrists. OR you mocked his bad teeth up like Horses were mocked up according to our beloved Comodore.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Which reminds me; let's get together for spaghetti

Spaghetti, spaghetti, all over the place,
Up to my elbows - up to my face,
Over the carpet and under the chairs,
Into the hammock and wound round the stairs,
Filling the bathtub and covering the desk,
Making the sofa a mad mushy mess.

The party is ruined, I'm terribly worried,
The guests have all left (unless they're buried).
I told them, "Bring presents." I said, "Throw confetti."
I guess they heard wrong
'Cause they all threw spaghetti!

-a poem by Sally Shapps' uncle Shel

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Carmelo, your little guy shoulda been a GATE student...glad he landed on his feet, instead of crunched up in the system, as often happens to our best, brightest and most innovative. I think you had much to do with that outcome!

In all truth, honesty, and candor: i think all kids are unique and god like. Most parents and most schools do not help them to know these truths.

Each of us has our own special skill set and likes and dislikes.

I'll never be able to dance to a beat or play a musical instrument.

The word, "facilitator" is a great word. In general, we have facilitated our kids growing up to be who they are, not stuffed them into boxes that we think they should be in. Now if we can only accomplish that with the grandkids.

I think one of the greatest gifts that one can give a child is "responsibilities."

I don't mean mow the lawn, do the dishes, do your homework. I do mean: "drive the tractor , the truck, the car" at an early age. I do mean have a job that pays money and expects adult responsibilities like being on time, knowing your lines, etc. i mean cooking, gardening, planting, harvesting, auditing, helping with the accounting --- real adult level responsibility labor.

 

[lkwdblds]

My "learning" and education thread revived.

After a slow day on Thursday, 90 views and no replys, my fears have been put to bed because of Friday's performance, 220 views and 16 replies. Roger's link was posted by me and Roger showed up there yesterday and invigorated the thread but many of the 16 new replies occurred before Roger posted.

This is particularly important to me, I put a lot of time in on ESMB and want it to be productive and count for something so the opportunity to promote Roger's book means a lot to me plus he is just a nice guy plain and simple and I would promote his book in any case but after reviewing what the book is actually about, I think it has potential to have a very positive effect on society once it is fully released in hard cover form. Something like this book might just capture the public's fancy such as Hubbard's DMSMH did but more likely, it will need a solid marketing program to get it established as THE book to read in its field.
Lakey

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

An additive to your post, Lakey:

After a slow day on Thursday, 90 views and no replys, my fears have been put to bed because of Friday's performance, 220 views and 16 replies. Roger's link was posted by me and Roger showed up there yesterday and invigorated the thread but many of the 16 new replies occurred before Roger posted.

This is particularly important to me, I put a lot of time in on ESMB and want it to be productive and count for something so the opportunity to promote Roger's book means a lot to me plus he is just a nice guy plain and simple and I would promote his book in any case but after reviewing what the book is actually about, I think it has potential to have a very positive effect on society once it is fully released in hard cover form. Something like this book might just capture the public's fancy such as Hubbard's DMSMH did but more likely, it will need a solid marketing program to get it established as THE book to read in its field.
Lakey

Agree totally! Link:

http://www.howtolearn-howtoteach.com/

 

[hbeer]

Anonkat, I discovered LRH video a couple of years ago. I think Ron comes off looking pretty good in the video. The thing about him not having a second wife though basically dishonest is not a true lie because his second marriage was bigamist and one could make a case that the marriage was not legal. The worst thing about Ron is looking at his teeth, for one of the world's richest men, he sure did not take care of his teeth, he was only 57 years old then and yet his teeth were rotted out and totally uncared for. What's with that?
Lakey

They are "only MEST"... big outpoint in many Scientologist's view in my opinion.



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[hbeer]

OK, My Dears, and this in particular is for Lakey who, on another thread, opened up the subject of "study," and who responded with interest that I had written a book in relation to education . . .

My website regarding such went live last night . . . you guys can be the first to see it, and since I respect the opinions of you who've been regular contributors to this thread, I would welcome a critique or two (be kind, now)
Go here: http://www.howtolearn-howtoteach.com/

Rog

Been there. The website looks very, very good, and the book is certainly interesting!

I would have to read it in order to know whether I agree or disagree with Carmelo. S/he/it might indeed have a point.

It could be that the book does more in the hands of a study coach than in the hands of people with learning trouble. While it probably says all they need to hear, I am not sure that they have the mental equipment to get it out of a book. It's the old problem - those who need it most are not up to taking it in!

I was instantly attracted by the table of contents. Then I read through it and thought "I know that - I know that - that I know too - and sure I know that -"

So, those who resonate with printed text in such a form, are probably already well read and have no study problems. But maybe teaching problems? To write it down is one (great) thing. How to get it where it is needed is another question, one that I cannot really answer...



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[hbeer]

Sunday Greeting from my Inner Bard

MY HOUSE

31.01.2010

(c) 2010 by Heidrun Beer




my house, so lone all day,
comes silently alive at night
with souls who visit in their dreams.

they dwell where they have been before:
children at the beechwood dining table quarrel, eat,
clients, students chat on the pastel green office seat,
lovers in the fiery red bedroom radiate their heat

just you, whom I have never met in
daytime's light, you have no place.

you enter through a door that none of
all these souls can even see, so high
above their listening sounds its invite.

the world goes quiet as you sit with me,
side by side, arms warmly touching, in the
darkest corner on the floor.

while they rehearse next morning's human play
on their respective stage, we leave behind our eyes
and see new structure into the universe's space,
design unprecedented ways of life with words we
never need to say, so unaccustomed that new
senses have to grow, whole species have to rewire

elicit sanity from chaos with our unified desire.
and our little guests? we let them crawl on earth,
while we roam untold skies!







This poem archived at http://www.sgmt.at/Poetry/Poem6.htm
Other poems archived at http://www.sgmt.at/Poetry/Poetry.htm





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[EP - Ethics Particle]

Common wavelengths...

MY HOUSE

31.01.2010

(c) 2010 by Heidrun Beer




my house, so lone all day,
comes silently alive at night
with souls who visit in their dreams.

they dwell where they have been before:
children at the beechwood dining table quarrel, eat,
clients, students chat on the pastel green office seat,
lovers in the fiery red bedroom radiate their heat

just you, whom I have never met in
daytime's light, you have no place.

you enter through a door that none of
all these souls can even see, so high
above their listening sounds its invite.

the world goes quiet as you sit with me,
side by side, arms warmly touching, in the
darkest corner on the floor.

while they rehearse next morning's human play
on their respective stage, we leave behind our eyes
and see new structure into the universe's space,
design unprecedented ways of life with words we
never need to say, so unaccustomed that new
senses have to grow, whole species have to rewire

elicit sanity from chaos with our unified desire.
and our little guests? we let them crawl on earth,
while we roam untold skies!







This poem archived at http://www.sgmt.at/Poetry/Poem6.htm
Other poems archived at http://www.sgmt.at/Poetry/Poetry.htm





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Hon, that is lovely, true and gave me shivers of delight!

 

[RogerB]

I'm Catching up My Dears . . .

I hated school. I seriously considered dropping out of high school as a junior. On the other hand, I was an honor student with acceptable honor student grades in an upper middle class ghetto. I've taken college classes where I needed to.

I'm not into trusting "Big Brother" to educate anyone 'cept those in the middle, not the brightest and not the struggling.

What does you'uns say to that?

We have a son, who barely made it out of high school on his grades. He, like -_me_ , found school super boring. He's going to be forty this year. He's an alpha geek at ebay. With a high school diploma, he makes mid six figures.

His wife, on the other hand says things like "Him and me, we're going to --" She was never very good in school. She has got an AA degree (half a BA). She was a competitive swimmer in high school.

The two kids eat up a ski slope, compete in gymnastics above their age group, and are dreadfully under their age group in readin' ritin' and rithmetic. They are bright, nice, not cranky little people. They have a loving set of parents.

Their mother's solution is to say they'll get tutoring from SCORE when they need it.

From grandparents (us) who read, write, and can do calculus with our eyes closed this is not acceptable.

any suggestions?

Sorry for the delay, CarmeloO, my Friend. Lots of traffic on my lines. Questions from a reader of the book, request for help from another quarter . . . info exchanges.

Shit, I suddenly need two of me. My flunk is I never learned to touch-type . . . and there is still a little of the hunt and peck in me, even after nearly 20 years of wrestling with a keyboard.

So, CarmeloO, the suggestion

Strikes me you have a Danger Condition present, in your view certainly.

Danger Conditions are not always nor are necessarily monster situations one has to stamp in with guns blazing to handle.

And it certainly is likely to be a delicate, if not difficult, thing to work a correction of this scene via the parents.

So, a thought. I would assume you are held in a position of some respect and honor by your grandchildren, no?

This is what happened to me when I was a youngster.

My mother's sister married a Pommie (that's and Englishman in Ozzie parlance) but he was a good Pommie, a regular kind of guy who did not try to look down on the Ozzie types as many silly Poms did.

Uncle Roy was actually a gentleman, a fun loving fellow who thought a lot of me and my sister. He had no children himself. He used to take me out into the Pacific, 5-10 miles out onto the continental shelf to go deep sea fishing off of Bondi beach (there was a little sheltered spot tucked in on Ben Buckler Point at the north end of the beach where our 12 foot rowboat with outboard engine on the back could be pulled up and stored when not in use)

You see, Uncle Roy didn't know it, but in essence he was doing a by-pass of my father on some things in the educating of me into some of the things my father wasn't into.

Looking back, I now see it as a rather remarkable and interesting thing.

He seemed to certainly see things that my dad did not, and this because they each had come from totally different backgrounds and saw things from quite different perspectives. Roy was a businessman. My father a skilled craftsman/tradesman.

Roy dealt with people . . . businessmen and executives do that. Tradesmen and craftsmen deal more with things. My father had run away to sea from school at age 14, and made no secret of the fact that he was a total flunk when it came to mathematics.

Notwithstanding, my father was a wonderful parent, truly wonderful; and he set great standards for me to emulate.

But Roy saw a different perspective of life, and he, in his quite way exposed me to other things and thoughts that influenced me deeply.

Like a more correct pronunciation in my speaking . . . and he gave me the reasons why it would be important to me! He never invalidated my parents in doing this . . . it was simply presented as additional information and valuable knowledge I could use if I was wise enough to choose to He was rather subtle, I'll give him that!

But he did me wonders, and gave me great benefits.

Another trick he pulled (I'll only cite these few of many) he suggested that if I wanted to be "literate" and well read and "able to get along in the world" (and he was always clever enough to give me the reason it was in my interest to pursue his advice) then I should read "Reader's Digest" each month, and also use the section that dealt with "Word Power" each month.

"It's always good to develop your vocabulary," he said to me. "It helps you understand what's going on in life."

Well bless Uncle Roy's heart, for my dad didn't come up with these little nuances in the playing of the game of life . . . he had his other wonderful values to pass on; and valuable they were as well.

So, the lesson I learned from all this history when I reviewed it many years later as I was writing the book, is that my Dear Old Uncle Roy was unwittingly doing a by-pass of what he saw as a danger to my well being and future based on the aspects of the Oz culture I was exposed to with my parents.

Though I do not forgive him for screwing up my game of golf . . . he was an avid golfer. He took me out with him and one of his buddies once, and when we were out of sight of the clubhouse, gave me a two-iron and putter. Well, at age about 13, I banged away at something like nine or ten holes and actually managed it in 1 or 2 over par! To me, as an athletic type kid, it was obvious: this is how you do it!

He was amazed, and decided to coach me . . . even though my score sort of matched or surpassed his Now this fun, natural thing to do became serious! He was giving me so many things to be careful of, to remember to do, the zillion how to's . . .

The result was that my natural fluid swing totally seized up! Man, did things suddenly go wrong! Golf then became a miserable, meaningless, boring, even unpleasant game to me!

Ahh, the trials and tribulations of growing up

Anyway, the only advice I can come up with in your circumstance is to apply a subtle, discreet, Power Formula in the area . . . By-pass and handle. The rest of it I'll leave to your good judgment . . . which I know you have

RogerB

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Though I do not forgive him for screwing up my game of golf . . . he was an avid golfer. He took me out with him and one of his buddies once, and when we were out of sight of the clubhouse, gave me a two-iron and putter. Well, at age about 13, I banged away at something like nine or ten holes and actually managed it in 1 or 2 over par! To me, as an athletic type kid, it was obvious: this is how you do it!

He was amazed, and decided to coach me . . . even though my score sort of matched or surpassed his Now this fun, natural thing to do became serious! He was giving me so many things to be careful of, to remember to do, the zillion how to's . . .

The result was that my natural fluid swing totally seized up! Man, did things suddenly go wrong! Golf then became a miserable, meaningless, boring, even unpleasant game to me!

You left out expensive.

Sounds like Uncle Roy succesfully audited you to a (nearly) complete understanding & mastery of the game. Good Job to pc & auditor!


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Mark,

Its funny you mention this, I remember, right after I first joined ESMB, you asked me if I used to be on lines at the Orange County Ord and I said yes and asked you if you would like to meet for coffee but you never replied.

Yes, I'm serious about spaghetti with CO & you, nor would I say no to the presence of lovely ladies in the group.

I apologize over the coffee. I am notoriously absent minded. If you're still game for a cup I'm sure we can meet up sometime before CO is likely to head south. I'm in Long Beach. I can meet you somewhere this week if you wish, OC area if you would prefer. Starbucks & Peets are personal favorites, but I'm open.


Mark A. Baker

 

[lkwdblds]

Only MEST?

They are "only MEST"... big outpoint in many Scientologist's view in my opinion.



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If a person's teeth are only MEST, then how do Scientologists get off backing the Ideal Org Program or the Super Power Project? Talk about MEST, that is opulent MEST while your teeth are needed to function in life.

The Church does have the Way to Happiness book and course and that touts care of the body and mentions the teeth and then there is the first dynamic which suggests a clean and healthy body, etc..

Hubbard was in the public eye, making lectures, delivering courses, posing for pictures. Having rotten teeth is just another outpoint among many which have come to light.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Very nice Poem

Heidrun -
Very nice poem, it has a nice feel to it and creates its own atmosphere. There's a touch of Goethe in it, isn't there?
Lakey

 

[Dulloldfart]

I don't know that any book is going to get past the parent with the fixed attitude - which, essentially holds the pain of the student away, so that it isn't experienced, consequently leaving the situation unchanged.

i'm writing about this exact phenomena because we have two grandchildren who are in big trouble educationally speaking. They are terrific athletes, but their ability to add, subtract, multiply, and divide ARE in as bad a shapeas THERE GRAMMER.YER book, isnt gumnna get duplicated by there'n momma.

and yes, this is our current ruin, so to speak.. any words of advice, etc are more than appreciated.

You seem to be very competent and I feel a bit silly offering you suggestions, but since you asked. . . .

I get the idea that if the momma changed a few of her ideas, then the kids would stand a better chance of learning what they need to. So it would come down to changing her mind some. Is she auditable, not necessarily using straight Scn? On anything? Like first getting some charge off on what is bugging her most, whether related or not?

Paul

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Send those people to the dentist twice a year!

If a person's teeth are only MEST, then how do Scientologists get off backing the Ideal Org Program or the Super Power Project? Talk about MEST, that is opulent MEST while your teeth are needed to function in life.

The Church does have the Way to Happiness book and course and that touts care of the body and mentions the teeth and then there is the first dynamic which suggests a clean and healthy body, etc..

Hubbard was in the public eye, making lectures, delivering courses, posing for pictures. Having rotten teeth is just another outpoint among many which have come to light.
Lakey

This just makes me want to bite somebody! My Ex-SO former friend needed $10,000 worth of dental work when he finally got out. Bastards!

 

[Leon]

I love your poems, Heidrun. Thank you.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Getting caught up myself...

Sorry guys, I had wi-fi connectivity problems, which hopefully are corrected now. A quick catch up...

Anony Kat, welcome!

Eeepie, I haven't seen you around lately and was beginning to worry that you had washed away in a winter storm...so nice to have you join us here!

I liked your poem, Heidrun!

Dear Dully, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. It's wonderful to have you with us here!

Purple Hazy darling, of course you are included! You and I can be the singing waitresses for Lakey to practice his flirting skills on...

Mark, count me in for the Italian fest. Carmelo, you can cook for me, anytime! Sounds yummy, and healthy, too!

I'm sorry to hear Alan's celebration of Life will be private, but of course, it's logical that it would be. If nobody invites us, maybe there is some other way that we can commemorate his passing, and celebrate his contributions? :confused2: Let's get creative here.

Roger, I really appreciate the fine work that went into your ebook. Learning how to learn is so very important. I will continue to read as I make time for it. Thanks for giving us first look!

Carmelo, I do have some ideas about your tricky situation...one is very simple. When you get the chance to spend some quality Grandparenting time alone with the kids in question, or each kid individually, better yet, read to them. Make a fun game out of it in some way. Find material that will intrigue and captivate their interest. Read some old letters or family history. Read some of your own writing and and ask them their opinions. Get them to read to you, from whatever works for them, from a cookbook, instruction manual, 'Zine, poetry, classic lit, vampire lit, science, pop music video or video game reviews, tabloid journalism, whatever tickles their fancy...take turns reading and being read to, and discuss what is covered. Make it fun. Don't harp on mistakes in grammar, slowness of reading, and just gently and matter of factly correct their pronunciation as mistakes occur.

Give them a sense of personal power and accomplishment with the practical fun and success with reading during shared quality time with you. Don't tie it to school work or grades or testing measurements or future success. Let it be real world stuff. If they are really into sports, then magazines or rule books or coaches/players biographies, etc.

Many a listless learner has been turned around by this method.

This may take YOU way beyond your comfort zone, but I'll bet it will help them to stay more open to learning, now and in the future. Don't let it be dull, whatever subjects or topics you cover. Making reading together a fun, special time with them, not work, NOT study...create some pleasure moments with them.

If all else fails, they will have some nice memories of fun times with you, rather than worry, stress, nagging, prompting, evaluating, etc.

I think they are of an age where they have to begin to desire competency and literacy for themselves. Mother's issues are her own, at this point, and will be more so, as time progresses.

A bypass of locating and providing the funding for professional tutoring services might be called for, also, if they really are several grades behind their peers. I would contact the school and see what the respective teacher's suggest, and what testing and professional evaluations have been done with them.

But then, I'm over-empowered, anyway!

 

[hbeer]

If a person's teeth are only MEST, then how do Scientologists get off backing the Ideal Org Program or the Super Power Project? Talk about MEST, that is opulent MEST while your teeth are needed to function in life.

The Church does have the Way to Happiness book and course and that touts care of the body and mentions the teeth and then there is the first dynamic which suggests a clean and healthy body, etc..

Hubbard was in the public eye, making lectures, delivering courses, posing for pictures. Having rotten teeth is just another outpoint among many which have come to light.
Lakey

Exactly. Agree with you in all your points above!



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[hbeer]

Heidrun -
Very nice poem, it has a nice feel to it and creates its own atmosphere. There's a touch of Goethe in it, isn't there?
Lakey

Not really, he is much more formal in his rhymes.

People have positioned me with Rilke. That sounds more like it - but I think I am really my own self



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