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Back when the West Wing was on TV (was that the 90s?), we set up a weekly get together on Wednesday nights to do co auditing. I remember being slightly put off that I missed the West Wing, but I watched it later.

It was a mildly floating event. It was at people's houses or at a pizza parlor.

A co audit party is a throwback to old Scientology. It is set up just like the old briefing course. We used a house, and people just twinned up. They found out what each was interested in improving changing etc. -- goals for the session, then audited that. Occasionally I'd introduce a process, and everyone would try that. If someone had a question, I was there to help.

After goals we went into process(es) to achieve that. Then at mid point we turned it around and the PC and auditor switched

It takes two things:

1) a leader who is going to be there and make it to continue.

20 A location is needed too. Usually someone's house. We did it at a pizza parlor for a couple of months. That worked with the setting aside of a room on a slow night. It was win win for the pizza parlor and for us. Customers they could count on and we got a room.

I did it for a year in Pasadena, the Valley, and near Norwalk, when I quit, it folded in a few months. We always had a minimum of ten people. Sometimes the pizza parlor room was filled to overflowing.


I did it solely on a drop in basis. It wasn't a mandatory thing. They came and they brought friends. Some nights 20 people some less. Never fewer than 10. People were winning. Some even brought their neighbors. No experience was necessary. If you have a TOTALLY new person, they can always run Self Analysis lists, and depending on their twin, have ARC Straightwire run on them. It helps to have a couple of good dictionaries.

If someone didn't know how to audit, they soon learned.

Auditing is really easy, once you're outside the Co$.

More to the point, old style auditing (pre Standard Tech) is uniformly beneficial. You audit based on the PC's goals for the session, not cookie cutter processes and predetermined programs. You actually audit the person in front of you.

I have had huge gains from auditing in my life. They have been lasting. but just the action of auditing another is a huge side of my personal growth. I don't want to start the listing of benefits from being an auditor. Perhaps someone else might want to try the subject.

Would anyone in the La La Land area or SF Bay area be interested in a weekly co audit? How about youse guys in Albuquerque? want to set one up?

This is grass roots organizing at its most basic level.

Good golly, Miss Molly....I actually remember this, from my earliest exposure to Scientology way back when, squirrelle that I am! :blush:

This kind of thing that Carmelo is describing worked pretty well, by my observation, back in the day before the RTC brigands (led by DM) raped and pillaged the local Mission system.

Maybe some of the newer "Independent" groups that are forming around the country will go retro and try this again, I hope so. I would like to see the newly out get more free from the heirarchical top down worship authority mindset that is so calcified in COS today.

As I recall it was a lot of fun, helped people grow and provided some positive socialization at the same time... :)

(My Anon friends will want to BBQ me for advocating the use of the tech in any form, oh well guys...too bad...my life history is what it is, and my reality is what it is...and I AM a reliable reporter! :coolwink:)

The good thing about grassroots co-auditing is you retain the power to walk away, or change partners with minimum harm or damage, if things aren't working out for you. No threats of ethics or declares or RPF or amends projects or SEC checks or paying for tons of "repair" auditing intensives...etc. SOP in the COS.

I would say as a caveat, that it should never be used as a substitute for needed medical or mental help treatment and therapy where you would benefit most from a professional diagnosis and course of treatment...for yourself or your partner..as it would be very counter-productive to be twinned with someone who is seriously walking wounded and in need of professional treatment, as well as to duck needed treatment by playing around with co-auditing as a substitute.

Having said that, I think it's a GREAT idea as a healthier alternative to the COS...if you really love and/or are curious about the tech.

Carmelo, still got all your marbles? I think so, so I say...go for it. :)

Serious tech critics need not play. :D
 
I would say as a caveat, that it should never be used as a substitute for needed medical or mental help treatment and therapy where you would benefit most from a professional diagnosis and course of treatment...for yourself or your partner..as it would be very counter-productive to be twinned with someone who is seriously walking wounded and in need of professional treatment, as well as to duck needed treatment by playing around with co-auditing as a substitute.

No shit, Sherlock!
 
If posts were like Mad Libs:

Note to gentle reader:

I just checked my i tunes library, and I have 144 classical music selections totaling 16.5 hours of playtime, occupying 1.51 gigabytes. The following in no way denegrates what the Lakester has written. I used probably 90 % of his words, without changing the meaning of what he is saying. I have merely transferred the truth(s) of classical music to classic rock. Music is universal. In another fifty years someone else can write this about rap. I remember seeing the Eagles at "A Day on the Green" in 1976 with my girl friend. We were the old codgers. Everybody else there was 14. The beings who made the music, now called classical, are now making the music we call rock and roll, country, R & B, rap, etc. The Beatles gave Ode to Joy a prominent place in the movie "Help!" They were never shy about using an orchestra. There is nothing new under the sun. It is just re packaged.

This post may go over like a lead balloon but no harm in bringing it up. Yesterday I heard two CLASSICAL music pieces by my favorite composer, Mozart, while driving around on business and errands on the local University of Southern California FM radio station, KUSC. First was the opera the Magic Flute, put on by the New York Metropolitan opera. This opera, I first heard in 1962 and it has become like a friend ever since. The arias are each like friends, the moment I hear the opening bars, a lot of endomorphines start flowing, I never get tired of it and notice more nuances at every hearing. This opera was first performed only 3 months before the Mozart's untimely death shortly before he was to turn 36. He conducted the first performance himself, just 3 months before he died. It is some of the happiest music ever written.

The second piece is Piano Concerto number 12. The announcer explained that Mozart had just moved from Salzburg, Austria to the capital, Vienna, to seek his fortune and make a name for himself. He wrote 3 piano concertos so as to have something new to play when he settled in Vienna. These concertos were therefore partly written so that he could earn money. He wrote a total of 27 piano concertos in his life, each one from about #9 onward is a complete masterpiece and each is unique. They are almost like Chopins Etudes or studies, 50 years later. The piano was pretty new in Mozart's time, had a wood frame, not steel as they do today, and was a big advance technically over the harpsichord which preceeded it. Each concerto explores the ranges of expression of the new piano. Mozart was able to coax undreamed of nuances of expression out of his instrument, made with its wooden frame and leather covered hammers. By the way, loud bombastic passages simply were not possible on the Viennese piano of the 1780's but only became possible in the first decade of the 1800's when much more powerful steel framed pianos started to be produced.

Mozart's concerto number 12 is an excellent example of its genre. Though written for commercial purposes, there is zero trace of that in the music. The music is honest, soulfull, lucid, mathematical and is carried on a very fine carrier wave. There is no component of the composer's personality revealed in the music. It is just put out there for what it is, there are ebbs and flows of emotion, sometimes a little tension builds up in a passage and then is released in a delightful interplay of notes. Each note seems to be the best possible choice to follow the note which preceeded it. There is really no ego present whatsoever in the music itself, just a subtle hint that the composer is showing off his effortless knowledge of the skills of his trade. There are three movements, the first and third are lively and the second is slow and soulfull. To non classical music people, the second movement would probably be the one they would enjoy most because it sounds more like elevator music than the others. The last movement is very high on the emotional tone scale for me, up near games and spirit of play.

I know this is not everyone's cup of tea and am just hoping that one or two or three people might find it interesting and check out the wonderful Piano Concerto 12 on Youtube.
Lakey

This post may go over like a lead balloon but no harm in bringing it up. Yesterday I heard two CLASSICAL music pieces by my favorite composer, Charles Edward Anderson "Chuck" Berry, while driving around on business and errands on the local University of Spoiled Children FM radio station, KRPF. First was the story of the Sweet Little Sixteen year old girl, put on by the Philadelphia based American Bandstand. Chuck Berry refined and developed rhythm and blues into the major elements that made rock and roll distinctive, with lyrics focusing on teen life and consumerism, and utilising guitar solos and showmanship that would be a major influence on subsequent rock music. This musical gem I first heard in 1958 and it has become like a friend ever since. The riffs are each like friends, the moment I hear the opening bars, a lot of endomorphines start flowing, I never get tired of it and notice more nuances at every hearing. This R & B classic was first performed only 11 years after Mr. Berry's first run in with John Law, the famous incarcerator. He subsequently, had more than one visit to the Big House. It is some of the happiest music ever written.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxDPUEpLVsE


The second piece is Surfin' USA. The announcer explained that Brian Wilson had just grown up in Hawthorne, Southern California and signed to Capitol Records, to seek his fortune and make a name for himself and his family. He wrote 36 top 40 hits so as to have something new to play when he settled in a recording studio. These paeans to Southern California youth culture of cars, surfing, and romance were therefore partly written so that he could earn money. He wrote a total of 56 hot 100 in his life, each one was a complete masterpiece and each is unique, except for "Surfin' USA," which was proven in a court of law to be written by the aforementioned Charles Edward Anderson "Chuck" Berry. They are almost like Jan and Dean's surfing culture hits, 2 years later. The electric guitar was pretty new in Rock and Roll's time, had a plastic base and was a big advance technically over the acoustic guitar which preceded it. Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys were able to coax undreamed of nuances of expression out of testosterone, fiberglass boards, Detroit carriages, and teen love. By the way, loud bombastic passages simply were not possible on the Beach Boy guitar of the 1960's but only became possible in the last years of the 1960's when much more powerful heavy metal musicians started to be popular.

Surin' USA is an excellent example of its genre. Though written for commercial purposes, there is zero trace of that in the music. The music is honest, soulfull, lucid, mathematical and is carried on a very fine carrier wave. There is no component of the composer's personality revealed in the music. (Let's face it, without music, Brian Wilson was a real zero) It is just put out there for what it is, there are ebbs and flows of emotion, sometimes a little tension builds up in a passage and then is released in a delightful interplay of notes. Each note seems to be the best possible choice to follow the note which preceeded it. There is really heavy testosterone present in the music itself, and a subtle hint that the composer is showing off his effortless knowledge of the skills of his trade. To non classical music people, the Southern California surfing culture sound would probably be the one they would enjoy most because it sounds more like elevator music than Stairway to Heaven. The music and lyrics are very high on the emotional tone scale for me, up near games and spirit of play.

I know this is not everyone's "Mai Tai" or "Sex on the Beach" and am just hoping that one or two or three people might find it interesting and check out the wonderful Surfin' USA on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPwgDDwb_w8
 
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lkwdblds

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Carmelo, this reminds me of 18 year old Kitty at CCLA

Carmelo - Your post reminds me of 18 year old Kitty Georgius in CCLA Treasury when she was made Treasury Sec and my Senior when she had no staff hatting and I was 32 years old and fully hatted in Treasury. I had an expensive stereo sound system in treasury and played mainly classical music for hours during the day while I worked on Treasury functions When Kitty arrived as my Senior, everytime she got up from her seat to do something she would change the classical music to rock music. I told her not to touch my equipment and she just laughed. She had no concept of ownership or property. Finally, I rigged up the tuner so it was disabled and would always stay on the classical station. She then turned off the set everytime she walked by. Finally, I took my nice stereo back to my apartment where I was berthed and Kitty brought in a boom box. She turned it to heavy metal and played it loud. It gave me headaches and ruined my concentration when balancing the books, etc so I would get up and turn it down and she would get up and turn it back on full strength. Finally, I had it out with her and told her I could not work with that shit noise going on and that I was going to go talk to Yvonne and order it be shut down or I would refuse to work. She got the message and turned it down softer. I don't know why she didn't buy headphones and wear them instead and play it loud.

Liking a delicate fine art is often an uphill battle. Staff member Randy Mc Donald who was down in the CCLA basement near Treasury wanted it turned down when I was playing classical. He said that classical music was down tone. I asked him where he got that idea and he said that LRH had written that it was very downtone and should not be listened to. I asked him to produce the reference and he walked away in a huff. I did lower the volume for him however. Unlike Kitty, I did not try and force my tastes on Randy or anyone else. My Dir of Ram was Frances Pavlides who was an opera singer and loved classical music and my purchasing officer, Adele Vonnie, who was Mary Maren's Mother also loved it. Both of them detested Kitty's loud Heavy Metal as did I but Kitty tried to force us all to listen to it.

I better take Roger up on some of those processes to run if some charge comes up in my past. On the Yvonne stuff I could blow the charge by inspection. With Don Keeler, you told me he was a fine man of good character and I was able to blow the charge on him by inspection. Kitty Georgius, I can't blow the charge on her by inspection. I detest her, the little piece of shit. Maybe Leon or you or someone knows something about Kitty, such that she was dropped on her head by mistake when she was a Baby and sustained brain damage. Only having knowledge such as that supplied to me would give me enough data to go on so that I could blow my charge on her by inspection. Oh yes, Sandy Wilhere, now that she is dead, I let go of my charge on her and Maria Starkey, I stood up to her face to face and that prevented me from developing the charge in the first place. Out of the whole motley crew of Sea Org members whom I detested, only Kitty and Sue Anderson remain. Anderson no longer has any charge so it is just Kitty I need to handle.
Lakey
 
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How I spent my Sunday (a shaggy dog tale)

18 years ago, a cowboy friend came into our lives.

We had bought a quarter horse, named billy (Red's Billy Bar to be exact).

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We didn't have a horse trailer, so we went to a neighbor, and he agreed to go with us, use his trailer, and load Billy.

Billy was being sold because he was spooky and not rideable by his (then) owner.

Our daughter was 12, and her horse, an Arab named Amir, had died six months earlier. It was time to get a new horse with whom she could bond.

Our cowboy, an Indian named John (feather not dot) loaded Billy easily. We took Billy home. The next day our daughter had a lesson at the stables she hung out at. Billy was a real pill. The instructors all agreed that he was too much horse for her, and that she should get her money back.

We told John about this. He said he'd talk to Billy. He took Billy to the beach and ran his ass off. Billy's head was drooping. The next day our daughter had another lesson at the stable with Billy. Billy (like Tigger) was a nicer, more manageable boy. The instructors couldn't see how this was the same horse.

And so began our relationship with Cowboy John. John agreed for $500 a month to help train our daughter and Billy. He took them to the beach and to the mountains. They rode all over the hills. He got us (as a family) hooked in with his family and with endurance racing and trail riding. He didn't fit in anybody's box. When riding (after we met up with John), we began carrying wire cutters. It's easier to cut barbed wire with them than your teeth. We crossed through fenced parkland regularly. In rain or sun or dead of night we'd go riding.

There's a hamburger joint, called Zatt's we'd ride to about ten miles away. we'd go there, have our fill of burgers and beer, and ride home at 10 O'clock at night full gallop across meadows, around low tree branches, next to roads -- heading home drunk and sassy.

His kids were pistols too. his daughter, who was three could shinny up her horse's leg, grab mane, and swing herself on the horse's back.

There was a day at the beach, where our daughter had brought a friend. they were riding together. John said he'd give the friend a hundred dollars if he could pull our daughter off her horse. He couldn't.

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There was a video I made of John on his horse, and our daughter on her horse hugging on the beach. then there's this wrestling going on where they're each trying to dismount the other. There were times when they'd get ahead of me, go around a corner and come chasing back right at me and my mount. The games were all about having a good seat.

Our daughter had been riding since she was two on a pony or horse that belonged to her. She was not a novice. By teaming with John, she really learned to ride.

When she was 15-16 she won the Junior division of the Tevis, the toughest endurance race for horses and riders on the planet. she came in 64th overall. This is out of a field that was 250 to begin with, and 125 actual finishers. It is 100 miles from Squaw Valley (at Lake Tahoe) to Auburn, CA over the Sierra Nevada Mountains. The race starts at 5 AM. There are vet checks along the route every 20 miles. Her mother and I crewed. We'd meet them with hay, water, etc. The race goes through the full day's sun. It gets over 100 degrees fahrenheit. It goes across rivers and streams, through snow, across a narrow bridge with no rails, and through old deer /Indian/ trails through the dead of night. Our daughter finished around 2 AM the next morning.

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This was all a result of John's influence on our family.

On May 22, Billy turns 25. We're having a birthday party for him. Carrots and apples and other goodies will be brought. Stories will be told.

John won't be there. Although he owns a house worth $6M or more and other places, he lives free off the government's dime.

A few years back, he had nothing better to do than hang out with some people doing meth. Some of his new friends were poor. He decided, brilliant man that he is, to go to Safeway and get them some food. he loaded up a grocery cart and walked it out the door to his truck. A clerk came up to him, and asked if he had paid for it. John showed him a shooting iron in his pants. the clerk didn't argue. Instead he called the cops. John drove away. He got to his friends' house, yelled that the cops were after him, and that he's just stuck up Safeway. A neighbor heard this and phoned the police. The courts didn't think it was funny that he forgot to pay for the groceries.

Two years later, he only has four more years to spend at his free government apartment. He's earned enough credits for an AA degree (that's college not Alcoholics Anonymous). He's teaching fellow inmates English. And he was just moved to new quarters after a skinhead (White Supremacist Nazi), he shared a cell with, tried to run a shiv into his neck. John being a good cattle hog tier threw the guy down, but he didn't really make friends that way.

We, our family (his family too, for that matter) go see him regularly.

Last night my daughter wanted to know if I'd go with her to see John. I said, "OK."

Today it was raining cats and dogs. the wind was howling. I drove. We took her SUV, a Montero. 4 wheel drive and we were still driving slow to stay in the lanes (slow = the speed limit). Little cars passed me like I was standing still.

We got there around noon. The line was long to get in to see him. We stood in this little tented area for over two hours. The wind and rain came through there. fun fun fun. We saw John for half hour and then they herded us all out, in the rain, in the sally ports waiting for gates to unlock. Waiting for buses to take us back to parking. Prison isn't fun for the visitors either. Four more years of this.

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We traveled two hours to get there. We stood in the rain soaked tent for two hours. We saw John for a half hour. We drove home in another two hours. One day shot to Hell. We'll do it again in a month. His wife does this twice a week. As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!"
 
Carmelo - Your post reminds me of 18 year old Kitty Georgius in CCLA Treasury when she was made Treasury Sec and my Senior when she had no staff hatting and I was 32 years old and fully hatted in Treasury. I had an expensive stereo sound system in treasury and played mainly classical music for hours during the day while I worked on Treasury functions When Kitty arrived as my Senior, everytime she got up from her seat to do something she would change the classical music to rock music. I told her not to touch my equipment and she just laughed. She had no concept of ownership or property. Finally, I rigged up the tuner so it was disabled and would always stay on the classical station. She then turned off the set everytime she walked by. Finally, I took my nice stereo back to my apartment where I was berthed and Kitty brought in a boom box. She turned it to heavy metal and played it loud. It gave me headaches and ruined my concentration when balancing the books, etc so I would get up and turn it down and she would get up and turn it back on full strength. Finally, I had it out with her and told her I could not work with that shit noise going on and that I was going to go talk to Yvonne and order it be shut down or I would refuse to work. She got the message and turned it down softer. I don't know why she didn't buy headphones and wear them instead and play it loud.

Liking a delicate fine art is often an uphill battle. Staff member Randy Mc Donald who was down in the CCLA basement near Treasury wanted it turned down when I was playing classical. He said that classical music was down tone. I asked him where he got that idea and he said that LRH had written that it was very downtone and should not be listened to. I asked him to produce the reference and he walked away in a huff. I did lower the volume for him however. Unlike Kitty, I did not try and force my tastes on Randy or anyone else. My Dir of Ram was Frances Pavlides who was an opera singer and loved classical music and my purchasing officer, Adele Vonnie, who was Mary Maren's Mother also loved it. Both of them detested Kitty's loud Heavy Metal as did I but Kitty tried to force us all to listen to it.

I better take Roger up on some of those processes to run if some charge comes up in my past. On the Yvonne stuff I could blow the charge by inspection. With Don Keeler, you told me he was a fine man of good character and I was able to blow the charge on him by inspection. Kitty Georgius, I can't blow the charge on her by inspection. I detest her, the little piece of shit. Maybe Leon or you or someone knows something about Kitty, such that she was dropped on her head by mistake when she was a Baby and sustained brain damage. Only having knowledge such as that supplied to me would give me enough data to go on so that I could blow my charge on her by inspection. Oh yes, Sandy Wilhere, now that she is dead, I let go of my charge on her and Maria Starkey, I stood up to her face to face and that prevented me from developing the charge in the first place. Out of the whole motley crew of Sea Org members whom I detested, only Kitty and Sue Anderson remain. Anderson no longer has any charge so it is just Kitty I need to handle.
Lakey

Get Sweetness and Light, who so far as I know, has never audited, to prep check you on Kitty. Get blue Spirit to do it.

They don't need a meter. You don't need f/N cog VGIs on each item. Just clean thoroughly as you go.

Do that and tell me how things are as a result.

Walking around with charge is not an optimum performance level.
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Random thoughts on some Carmelo Posts

Re Co-auditing:

I've been audited by Cl XII's on "Flag Only" stuff and the biggest, grandest, bestess LFBD, Cog, Line Charge, Floating TA I ever had (in Auditing) came in a session with a Student Auditor in the mid to late ‘60’s. That session was why I “Went to the Wall” to help El Ron and Scn. I was the first PC he ever took ing session. That guy subsequently went off to be Flag Crew but was gone when I got there a few years later.


Re: Billy

Any AQH worth havin' requires a caring, sure and steady hand. Happy birthday, Billy!


Re your Daughter and the Tevis:

Pound for pound the only folks with more "starch" than cowboys are the cowgirls. The Tevis pic is awesome! I know the country from Tahoe to Auburn and it's "sure enough tuff goin' for a Rattler".

I’m sure you saw “Hidlago”. Good flick, great true story.


Re John:

Thank you for sharing this with us. True friends don’t “cut and run” when you go down. No one knows how many true friends the have until they find themselves in an ugly and helpless situation. An individual is very fortunate if they have even one or two—at best—true friends in a lifetime. True friends are lanterns of hope and comfort when you are lost in the darkness. Nothing and no one can be the stead of a true friend. Looks like ole John's got at least a handful of true friends.
 
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Mad Libs were fun!

You know Carmelo, our readers/posters/lurkers from foreign countries are not going to know what "Mad Libs" are, but I found your post very funny. Poor Lakey, you need to re-pave over that bad memory with a more pleasant one of Kitty. You've got a pothole there! :D Rock vs Classical clashes have been abundant in my lifetime...:p

I have the same problem with a good friend, who, every time he gets in my car can listen to my radio for about three minutes and then says in an agonized voice..."Can we PLEASE change the channel?", and there goes my classical music. He claims I only listen to it to be politically correct, shows what he knows...I am so kind, I let him listen to down-tone talk radio, his favorite. (Hey, I have ALL kinds of friends! :D)

For the record, I enjoy all kinds of music except gangsta rap, bad heavy metal and thumping dance/trance music, all quite popular with today's college students. :no:

Oh, Billy's a redhead....I am in LOVE! :happydance: Happy Birthday to Billy, and goodluck to Cowboy John. Isn't he eligible for early release with the rest of those jailbirds as a cost cutting measure for California? Or does the "use" of a weapon during his crime prevent that? :thumbsup:
 
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Die Seelenfanger - The Soul Catchers Documentary on Scientology

Thanks Ackerland, BIG ACK to you for doing the subtitles! :happydance: Watch this, guys! :)

Posted by Ackerland:

"Documentary "The Soul Catchers" with subtitles

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Cross post from http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-me...btitles-65177/

Today I've had a bit of spare time and finished my translation on the documentary "The Soul Catchers" (original: "Die Seelenfänger") which was shown by our regional broadcaster in Baden-Württemberg not long after the movie "Until Nothing is Left" was sent, on March 31st. It details the story of Heiner von Rönn as well as Markus, whose brother Uwe died due to the negligence of Scientology. Included are many well-known speakers like Marc and Claire Headley, Bruce Hines, Laura Dieckman, Graham Berry and Maureen Bolstad. In my opinion, this is a very well made documentary illustrating the abuse perpetrated by the organisation every day.
Enough of the talking, just get your hands on the film now:


YouTube - 2010-03-31 Die Seelenfänger - The Soul Catchers (1/5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojlTTOYFu-g


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFsZieZedIE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbHuB4R9VPg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqQmK8k4uA



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lkwdblds

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You know Carmelo, our readers/posters/lurkers from foreign countries are not going to know what "Mad Libs" are, but I found your post very funny. Poor Lakey, you need to re-pave over that bad memory with a more pleasant one of Kitty. You've got a pothole there! :D Rock vs Classical clashes have been abundant in my lifetime...:p

Thanks for the concern.. Sweetness, I know it is well intended but there is really no problem there. I am 70 years old you know and I am a human being, Can't I have one or two measely attention units focus onto an immature teenage girl who did not respect my property rights and was promoted to be my senior without any training and then tried to force heavy metal music on me, Frances and Adele non of whom liked that type of music. I think of that perhaps once every five years if I am writing a CC story and then in 20 minutes the whole thing is forgotten for another 5 years.

I have the same problem with a good friend, who, every time he gets in my car can listen to my radio for about three minutes and then says in an agonized voice..."Can we PLEASE change the channel?", and there goes my classical music. He claims I only listen to it to be politically correct, shows what he knows...I am so kind, I let him listen to down-tone talk radio, his favorite. (Hey, I have ALL kinds of friends! :D)

Rock or classical clashes? It takes two to clash but I, like you, love all genres of music except for gangsta rap and heavy metal. Rock music is discussed here a lot and I always chime in, don't forget how much I like Rick Nelson, also the Beatles, Elvis and so many groups, the Eagles, the Beach Boys,etc. I tried to introduce some wins I had over classical music on the thread, knowing full well that it was a long shot that anyone would have any interest. I was not at all prepared for the usage which was made of my post. I did not expect that but no big deal.

For the record, I enjoy all kinds of music except gangsta rap, bad heavy metal and thumping dance/trance music, all quite popular with today's college students. :no:

Oh, Billy's a redhead....I am in LOVE! :happydance: Happy Birthday to Billy, and goodluck to Cowboy John. Isn't he eligible for early release with the rest of those jailbirds as a cost cutting measure for California? Or does the "use" of a weapon during his crime prevent that? :thumbsup:

CLASSICAL MUSIC IN SCIENTOLOGY Very few people were into it at CCLA. There were several opera singers foremost of who was Susan Todhunter on CCLA lines. Her good buddy, the beautiful Kathy Moore was into Classical Dance such as Ballet and also modern dance. Joan Todhunter and to a lesser extent their sister Laura were opera singers on ASHO lines and my Director of RAM in Treasury Frances Pavlides was also an opera singer. Bob Riggs, our examiner played oboe and played some classical.

The only major player was the pianist Mario Feninger He was a world class piano virtuoso, still living I might add and now approaching his hundreth birthday. Nobody was interested in classical music except me and the few mentioned above but everytime Mario played the auditorium was standing room only and every piece was met with a standing ovation so somebody liked something there. Go figure. Carol Woodruff, the AOLA registrar was a former classical violinest in a major orchestra in Canada I believe. She was related by marriage to John Woodruff out at Orange County Org. Oh there were two guys who played classical guitar, Mike Mallen and one other guy whose face I remember but not his name. Marci or Marcia had a choir which was semi classical and sang Christmas Carols and semi classical stuff. At Flag both at Sea and in Clearwater, I never found one person who was into classical music except the Todhunters.

I would only ask this question. Bach has been dead for 260 years, Mozart 219 years and Beethoven 183 years. Their stuff is played every day on planet Earth both in recorded form and live. How do you think the top Gangsta Rapper or Heavy Metal group will be remembered 200 years from now. Probably even Frank Sinatra may not be played at that time. Probably none of the pop idols of today will be known so real greatness is not measured in a sprint, it is a marathon and the great classical composers will still be played and recorded long after today's idols have been totally forgotten.
Lakey
 
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Ladybird

Silver Meritorious Patron
I just found this over on WWP, thought some of you here might know Barry Watson as he says he was on the ships with LRH for 8 years:

Hubbard College LA hosted "Top City Officials and Police Chiefs"

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Scilon blog

http://funbarry.blogspot.com/2010/04/march-29-to-april-11-2010.html

March 29 to April 11, 2010
Hello my friends and family members,

The last days of March went well and April started with and early party on Saturday 3rd at the Golden Age Theater where L. Ron Hubbard's story "Murder Afloat" was presented after a great performance by songstress Jeannie Deva. The party was for Sioux Hart's birthday. She took along her beautiful Raw Food Recipes book and it was a total hit. She picked up an agent and the promise to get her on Oprah Winfrey with her book. At the party after the presentation I met all the cast - RF Daley, the Director and commentator is already a friend as is the female lead, Raven Kane. I met Travis Oates the commedian part, tall Richard Reich and little Robert Towers. There were lots of great eats and other friends to touch bases with.

Sunday I helped my friend Joe L. move some of his furniture to his new condominium. His Mom and Dad helped load my wagon. It was nice to meet them for the first time. His Mom gave me a hug and kiss on the cheek. They don't speak much English.

On Wednesday 7th April we had a wonderful event at Hubbard College, hosting some top city officials, police chiefs and others in order to recognize them for help they had given to the college. The food was delightful and their appreciation was unbounded.

Saturday 10th April I worked on my taxes all day and Sunday I went for brunch with Suesan W at the Granville restaurant in Burbank. Great communication and good healthy food. On the way home I got all my shopping done including getting a shower filter replacement from Home Depot. The rest of Sunday 11th I completed my Federal and State taxes. I owe a little to one but get it back from the other. The evening was wet with a late spring storm.

I'll talk to you all again soon.

Love,
Barry

About Me

Barry Nelson Watson

Born in New Zealand, educated in industrial arts, with beautiful partner, Michele Patten we were New Zealand champions in our Latin American dance category for several years. Discovered L. Ron Hubbard's spiritual technology & worked in his New Zealand organization 3 years. Left my girlfriend and family to travel to UK for higher spiritual studies. Chosen as crew on L. Ron Hubbard's 250 man research yacht - sailed Mediterranean, European & African coasts & Caribbean islands for 8 years. Married and eventually divorced. Relocated from the ship to Florida, USA. Chosen to represent Mr. Hubbard's technology traveling the world twice, speaking at public events in dozens of countries. Remarried and much later divorced again. Eventually, due to a 3rd marriage left employment with Church of Scientology and settled in Hollywood, CA (and finally divorced once again). Worked continually with groups and organizations utilizing L. Ron Hubbard's technologies in Drug Rehabilitation, Public Relations, Education, Business Management & Communications. Currently teach at Hubbard College of Administration International in Los Angeles.
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
I just found this over on WWP, thought some of you here might know Barry Watson as he says he was on the ships with LRH for 8 years:

Hubbard College LA hosted "Top City Officials and Police Chiefs"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scilon blog

http://funbarry.blogspot.com/2010/04/march-29-to-april-11-2010.html

March 29 to April 11, 2010
Hello my friends and family members,

The last days of March went well and April started with and early party on Saturday 3rd at the Golden Age Theater where L. Ron Hubbard's story "Murder Afloat" was presented after a great performance by songstress Jeannie Deva. The party was for Sioux Hart's birthday. She took along her beautiful Raw Food Recipes book and it was a total hit. She picked up an agent and the promise to get her on Oprah Winfrey with her book. At the party after the presentation I met all the cast - RF Daley, the Director and commentator is already a friend as is the female lead, Raven Kane. I met Travis Oates the commedian part, tall Richard Reich and little Robert Towers. There were lots of great eats and other friends to touch bases with.

Sunday I helped my friend Joe L. move some of his furniture to his new condominium. His Mom and Dad helped load my wagon. It was nice to meet them for the first time. His Mom gave me a hug and kiss on the cheek. They don't speak much English.

On Wednesday 7th April we had a wonderful event at Hubbard College, hosting some top city officials, police chiefs and others in order to recognize them for help they had given to the college. The food was delightful and their appreciation was unbounded.

Saturday 10th April I worked on my taxes all day and Sunday I went for brunch with Suesan W at the Granville restaurant in Burbank. Great communication and good healthy food. On the way home I got all my shopping done including getting a shower filter replacement from Home Depot. The rest of Sunday 11th I completed my Federal and State taxes. I owe a little to one but get it back from the other. The evening was wet with a late spring storm.

I'll talk to you all again soon.

Love,
Barry

About Me

Barry Nelson Watson

Born in New Zealand, educated in industrial arts, with beautiful partner, Michele Patten we were New Zealand champions in our Latin American dance category for several years. Discovered L. Ron Hubbard's spiritual technology & worked in his New Zealand organization 3 years. Left my girlfriend and family to travel to UK for higher spiritual studies. Chosen as crew on L. Ron Hubbard's 250 man research yacht - sailed Mediterranean, European & African coasts & Caribbean islands for 8 years. Married and eventually divorced. Relocated from the ship to Florida, USA. Chosen to represent Mr. Hubbard's technology traveling the world twice, speaking at public events in dozens of countries. Remarried and much later divorced again. Eventually, due to a 3rd marriage left employment with Church of Scientology and settled in Hollywood, CA (and finally divorced once again). Worked continually with groups and organizations utilizing L. Ron Hubbard's technologies in Drug Rehabilitation, Public Relations, Education, Business Management & Communications. Currently teach at Hubbard College of Administration International in Los Angeles.


W.I.S.E.
 
I just found this over on WWP, thought some of you here might know Barry Watson as he says he was on the ships with LRH for 8 years:

Hubbard College LA hosted "Top City Officials and Police Chiefs"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scilon blog

http://funbarry.blogspot.com/2010/04/march-29-to-april-11-2010.html




W.I.S.E.

On the plus side:
He likes Zecharia Sitchin, an archaeologist after my my own heart. I've read most, if not all, of his books.
 

Magoo

Gold Meritorious Patron
lkwdblds.....:roflmao::dance3:

Thanks SO much for a walk down memory lane!
I was on staff on 8th Street (one of the many non-celebrities there),
helped in supervising John Travolta on the HQS course, (when he got
his first big gig, Welcome Back Codder), and then audited
in the HGC (area where counseling is done, for those never "in").

After moved with CC over to La Brea, and lived through all of *that*,
but it's fun to read your stories that you lived through. Gawd...those
were the days to be in Scientology, no question about it. There were
SO Many things going on, that most of us didn't know, one way or the
other.:omg:

Thanks for your stories~~I'll now have to back track and read the rest.

Glad you're out and sharing :thumbsup:

Tory/Magoo
 
lkwdblds.....:roflmao::dance3:

Thanks SO much for a walk down memory lane!
I was on staff on 8th Street (one of the many non-celebrities there),
helped in supervising John Travolta on the HQS course, (when he got
his first big gig, Welcome Back Codder), and then audited
in the HGC (area where counseling is done, for those never "in").

After moved with CC over to La Brea, and lived through all of *that*,
but it's fun to read your stories that you lived through. Gawd...those
were the days to be in Scientology, no question about it. There were
SO Many things going on, that most of us didn't know, one way or the
other.:omg:

Thanks for your stories~~I'll now have to back track and read the rest.

Glad you're out and sharing :thumbsup:

Tory/Magoo

Tory,

I know you're well known in the ex scio community; can I ask a few stupid questions?

Is Magoo just a made up name like from Jim Backus' character, Mr. Magoo?

What did you audit at CC?

Did you do an interview / talk show (I think it was in Australia) with Bob Adams? if so, what was that like? He's an old friend, and a really good guy, but he came across really poorly, if I remember properly.
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Nice to have such a well known Ex read the Stories!

lkwdblds.....:roflmao::dance3:

Thanks SO much for a walk down memory lane!
I was on staff on 8th Street (one of the many non-celebrities there),
helped in supervising John Travolta on the HQS course, (when he got
his first big gig, Welcome Back Codder), and then audited
in the HGC (area where counseling is done, for those never "in").

After moved with CC over to La Brea, and lived through all of *that*,
but it's fun to read your stories that you lived through. Gawd...those
were the days to be in Scientology, no question about it. There were
SO Many things going on, that most of us didn't know, one way or the
other.:omg:

Thanks for your stories~~I'll now have to back track and read the rest.



Glad you're out and sharing :thumbsup:

Tory/Magoo

Tory - Its really nice to have you read those stories of mine. When I first started reading the internet about Scn in August of 2005, I quickly happened upon your sites and videos and watched most, if not all of them. Our paths crossed or just missed crossing several times. Take the CCLA switchboard, I joined S.O. in October 1971 and as an HCO Expeditor, did a stint of two weeks or so covering the switchboard at night. I believe you ran the switchboard during the day perhaps right about that same time. I think I just missed you up at ASHO as well, we were both on lines there at approximately the same time.

Just in the last few months, our paths did cross. I went to the Many's Christmas Part with Sweetness and Light and you were there with a date. We were sitting on two different couches placed at 90 degree angles to each other, about 7 feet apart for most of the evening. Sweetness talked to you but I didn't. Then at the event in Hollywood at the Steve Allen theater where 3 well known exes and 3 not so well known exes gave talks, I went with Purple Haze and we met Sweetness there and sat together and you were with Mark Bunker. Again Sweetness spoke with you.

I watched your video tour of the old Orgs and staff buildings in the 8th and Alvarado area of L.A.. Talk about nostalgia, your video tour really brought back some memories. We are trying to form a monthly brunch or lunch meeting of exes and holding it in various local L.A. locations. Currently we are shooting for something in late April and want to hold it at the Langer's deli which was there back in the 70's and is still going strong. Sweetness is supposed to be working on it.

By the way, regarding this thread, Pages 1 to 4 are my story on board the Apollo, pages 5 - 11 are about my experience at CCLA and include a detailed history of how CCLA got started. Pages 12 to about 17 were just some ideas I had about how to keep the thread alive. I made lists of all the crew members and what they did. Lists of the "best" as to auditors, C/Ses, Staff Members, most beautiful women, handsomest guys, best singers, dancers and instrumentalists of that time, kindest staff members. smartest staff members. This branched out into favorite eateries, radio disk jockeys, entertainment venues, etc. Finally, I could think of no more to do or say and was ready to let the thread die out. The time was around Oct 20, 2009 and we had accumulated 6,700 views.

I was urged by Sweetness and Carmelo to keep writing but my Staff stories were told so the three of us essentially kept the thread going as a Magazine or Newspaper covering many universal topics. Here we are 6 months later, the 4th most read thread on ESMB with about 55,000 views.

Once again I am ready to pack it in and am thinking of doing something else, perhaps using the writing skills which I have developed in some other creative way.

Please post further replies as you read more. I know everyone here is interested in what you have to say.
Lakey
 

RogerB

Crusader
Heidrun is Right!

OK, Men . . . .

Heidrun is right! It seems Germany and its Scandinavian neighbors have a very different . . . ahh, shall we say, standard of things than we elsewhere? :D

This link will take you to something quite clever . . . and very funny at the end :happydance: The chick pulls the wrong string :yes:

I got this in an email today. Go to the link provided:
______________________________________

Subject:: Best advertisement made

I'm not sure American Audiences are ready for this commercial yet!
Fleggaard Holding A/S, through its subsidiaries, markets electronic appliances. The company specializes in selling televisions and radio sets.

Fleggaard Holding is based in Krusaa, Denmark. Just across Germany's northern-most border with Denmark you'll find an incredible superstore called Fleggaard. There, you can buy everything you need - tubs of gummi bears, cases of wine, industrial strength dishwashing soap - at prices 30% cheaper than you'll find in Denmark. It is Denmark's Costco, packaged as a German loophole.

The 100+ women do stunts in the air - while free-falling - holding hands to spell out "Half-off on Dishwasher soap at Fleggaard." You'd be hard-pressed to find a man in Denmark who hasn't seen and fallen in love with that commercial. It was geared strictly to men. The ad is real! Here is a link to simply the best advertisement ever made. Honestly.
It's awesome.
http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Great Danes

OK, Men . . . .

Heidrun is right! It seems Germany and its Scandinavian neighbors have a very different . . . ahh, shall we say, standard of things than we elsewhere? :D

This link will take you to something quite clever . . . and very funny at the end :happydance: The chick pulls the wrong string :yes:

I got this in an email today. Go to the link provided:
______________________________________

Subject:: Best advertisement made

I'm not sure American Audiences are ready for this commercial yet!
Fleggaard Holding A/S, through its subsidiaries, markets electronic appliances. The company specializes in selling televisions and radio sets.

Fleggaard Holding is based in Krusaa, Denmark. Just across Germany's northern-most border with Denmark you'll find an incredible superstore called Fleggaard. There, you can buy everything you need - tubs of gummi bears, cases of wine, industrial strength dishwashing soap - at prices 30% cheaper than you'll find in Denmark. It is Denmark's Costco, packaged as a German loophole.

The 100+ women do stunts in the air - while free-falling - holding hands to spell out "Half-off on Dishwasher soap at Fleggaard." You'd be hard-pressed to find a man in Denmark who hasn't seen and fallen in love with that commercial. It was geared strictly to men. The ad is real! Here is a link to simply the best advertisement ever made. Honestly.
It's awesome.
http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf

Now those are my kinda Storm Troopers.:thumbsup:

Great find Rog.
 
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